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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 8 2011, 11:28 AM)
Will Maemo apps work on Meego without any changes? If not will developers find it worth their while to do the porting even if it is an easy port? This goes for general apps as well.

So tell me, is this N9 suitable for general users or is it just for geeks and dreamers?
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As long as the Maemo developers interested in N9, they will port it, but from what I know, MeeGo Harmattan is using same packaging system as Maemo.
Maemo is already dead since long ago when Nokia abandon it, but it survives till this date due to the strong community support, just too bad the full source code wasn't release to the community, if not, much more can be done.
As long as N9 get the same community support, we'll see many useful and FREE apps, not just apps but ADD-ONs to the OS.

As for general apps, I suppose the Qt will allow easier to port between Maemo, Symbian and MeeGo?
As for other apps, even it's easy, it's not the issue, it more about $$$; Companies won't simply port their apps to MeeGo if they can't make money out of it, etc. or unless Nokia takes the initiatives.

For N9, I can't tell as I haven't see and try the real/actual device, but from the demo videos and hands-on; It seems simple and easy to use, smooth and fluid, like iOS, yet it's full of functionality and powerful, very much like Android? It's like you get best of both worlds. Well, the real thing, we have to see and hands on to tell how well it performs and how smooth and simple it is.

For those who only concern and care about apps (especially ONLY care about apps), will need to wait longer and see if they are OK with the apps available. It really depends on what kinds of user/buyer, some people care about camera, some people care about smoothness (cannot stand even slight lag), some people care about apps, apps and apps (it's all about apps), etc.

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With the support of Qt, porting between app will be easy just not sure any developer/company can see the profit of doing so.

The app that I think they should port for MeeGo is Whatsapp! Who agree? Hahhaah! Can't wait for Tuesday to come. Woohoo!
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QUOTE(AlOnE89 @ Sep 8 2011, 11:40 AM)
Orz.. now that's really weird XD

I wonder when will Nokia put some demo units up, can't wait to try =.=
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Well at least Intel is not giving up Meego, and it seems Samsung is eye-ing on it too, so..
even if Nokia already given up Meego, I think we're still able to leech a bit from new Meego's partners? O.o
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Some said Intel is ready to froze Meego.
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What about this Alien Dalvik thingy? It claims to be able to run Android apps on N9. If this is true there will no worries about apps and N9 may be a huge success.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-android-...alvik-22160809/
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2011, 02:28 PM)
Some said Intel is ready to froze Meego.
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I thought Intel denied that rumor. Read in on Slashgear before.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 8 2011, 02:29 PM)
What about this Alien Dalvik thingy? It claims to be able to run Android apps on N9. If this is true there will no worries about apps and N9 may be a huge success.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-android-...alvik-22160809/
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Alien Dalvik. Ahhh, the supposedly holy grail of Maemo n Meego.

Its still all locked up in Myriad HQ without anything from them. If only they released it to the community, it will be awesome. Haih.

I'll be waiting for it to be released to end users. But for now? Its still wait n wait with no ETA. Truly frustrating.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 7 2011, 08:14 PM)
N9 is expensive just probably because Nokia want potential users to feel like N9 is the best premium phone out there.
IMO it's good phone but not the best choice of premium device from the company.Why? Because Nokia have pretty much screwed MeeGo.They can choose whatever beautiful word from dictionary but it's fact MeeGo is pretty much dead in Nokia (well at least till Elop remain there).Why should people spend hard earned RM1.5K+ for a phone with an uncertain future?

Try using N900 as single phone for a long time & you'll know some of the limitation that comes with mobile OS that have limited support.
Afaik N9 will eventually suffer the same fate.It's a well known strategy to produce & market a new device as much as possible so it'll receive god reception & eventually good developers support.
But Nokia decided to do the opposite.Words cannot describe how fail this strategy is.

Android devices can be sold at slightly lower price because Google don't charge distribution charge for the manufacturers.
Just because a device is cheap don't think it's a mediocre device.

Too bad I cannot attend the MeeGo Malaysia meeting.Else I would have asked some "spicy" question for the Nokia reps attending the meeting.

Some people asked me why am I moving to green robot camp after defending Maemo/MeeGo for a long time
I still defend Maemo/MeeGo.It's just Nokia screwed the OS future as I said before.Since Green robot is the closest thing to Maemo/MeeGo I got no choice but move to it.
But trust me,it's not all sunshine & roses in green robot camp.
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Because the future of Meego is uncertain and being having a much inferior hardware compared to phones in the similar price range, the price is definitely expensive. Elop is making N9 a very tough selling device if the price point is really as stated in this forum. Only fanboy will continue to give support and purchase Nokia. doh.gif

And I see you're selling your N900. Good luck. biggrin.gif
Really hoping Nokia not throw Meego away and develop more powerful devices for it. We need proper app developers. Good developers. smile.gif
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Here's a site for freee N9 apps. Not much but it's a start.

http://www.mobileheart.com/cell-phone-soft...9-Software.aspx

http://www.mobileheart.com/cell-phone-game...a-N9-Games.aspx

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Meego future is uncertain but i never see any OS start vf so much ppl interested in the os.like the ios,maemo,android,symbian.when the beginning of these oses,there is really little supporters outside there but look at meego,N9 is the first device and it successfully attracted tons of supporters.its a good start but yet nokia abandoned it.disappointing.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 8 2011, 11:45 AM)
As long as the Maemo developers interested in N9, they will port it, but from what I know, MeeGo Harmattan is using same packaging system as Maemo.
Maemo is already dead since long ago when Nokia abandon it, but it survives till this date due to the strong community support, just too bad the full source code wasn't release to the community, if not, much more can be done.
As long as N9 get the same community support, we'll see many useful and FREE apps, not just apps but ADD-ONs to the OS.

As for general apps, I suppose the Qt will allow easier to port between Maemo, Symbian and MeeGo?
As for other apps, even it's easy, it's not the issue, it more about $$$; Companies won't simply port their apps to MeeGo if they can't make money out of it, etc. or unless Nokia takes the initiatives.

For N9, I can't tell as I haven't see and try the real/actual device, but from the demo videos and hands-on; It seems simple and easy to use, smooth and fluid, like iOS, yet it's full of functionality and powerful, very much like Android? It's like you get best of both worlds. Well, the real thing, we have to see and hands on to tell how well it performs and how smooth and simple it is.

For those who only concern and care about apps (especially ONLY care about apps), will need to wait longer and see if they are OK with the apps available. It really depends on what kinds of user/buyer, some people care about camera, some people care about smoothness (cannot stand even slight lag), some people care about apps, apps and apps (it's all about apps), etc.
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Trouble is Nokia already pissed off number of Maemo users.Some of major contributer already left to join Green Robot team.
Giving away 300 N950 is good move but I don't think all the independent developers can produce a real useful applications.From what I see from the N950 project list those who are working on core OS enhancement have good ideas but the apps developers, not so much.

CSSU team will have field day if Nokia release the full source code.There are bunch of things can improved.Especially proper phone functions.

Blame Apple for current app centric mobile OS

QUOTE(joshuawong @ Sep 8 2011, 01:35 PM)
With the support of Qt, porting between app will be easy just not sure any developer/company can see the profit of doing so.

The app that I think they should port for MeeGo is Whatsapp! Who agree? Hahhaah! Can't wait for Tuesday to come. Woohoo!
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Porting should be easy but the million dollar question is why would any developer waste resource for a OS even the manufacturer don't have confidence with?

Maemo/MeeGo don't need whatsapp.It has build in IM application.Just connect to internet & you'll be automatically connected to all your IM & facebook account.
IMHO this is better because IM's are supported cross platform & there are bunch of applications for IM's.Maemo & MeeGo device are probably some of the rare device with this kind of IM integration.

QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2011, 02:28 PM)
Some said Intel is ready to froze Meego.
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Intel won't back down from MeeGo that fast.
Most probably on hold till their medfield/moorestown SOC is complete.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 8 2011, 02:29 PM)
What about this Alien Dalvik thingy? It claims to be able to run Android apps on N9. If this is true there will no worries about apps and N9 may be a huge success.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-android-...alvik-22160809/
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Problem with Dalvik is the program need to be integrated to the OS.Probably to the kernel level.
Myriad rep said that Nokia themselves has to integrate Dalvik in MeeGo.

QUOTE(hengguowei @ Sep 8 2011, 05:12 PM)
Because the future of Meego is uncertain and being having a much inferior hardware compared to phones in the similar price range, the price is definitely expensive. Elop is making N9 a very tough selling device if the price point is really as stated in this forum. Only fanboy will continue to give support and purchase Nokia. doh.gif

And I see you're selling your N900. Good luck. biggrin.gif
Really hoping Nokia not throw Meego away and develop more powerful devices for it. We need proper app developers. Good developers. smile.gif
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Inferior hardware is again result of Elop's idiocy.N950 is scrapped 1st MeeGo device.For sure Elop could have instruct the smartphone devision to pack a better hardware for N9 after that.But to avoid N9 packing too much punch & at same time to save the good "stuff" for WP7 device he probably told the MeeGo team to use whatever scrap hardware available in Nokia warehouse.

Again I'll say that Elop is an idiot.

QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Sep 8 2011, 10:38 PM)
Meego future is uncertain but i never see any OS start vf so much ppl interested in the os.like the ios,maemo,android,symbian.when the beginning of these oses,there is really little supporters outside there but look at meego,N9 is the first device and it successfully attracted tons of supporters.its a good start but yet nokia abandoned it.disappointing.
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Aahh.... The brilliant Nokia strategy...
Limiting the sales for the well received product & advertising devices that not exist yet.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
Trouble is Nokia already pissed off number of Maemo users.Some of major contributer already left to join Green Robot team.
Giving away 300 N950 is good move but I don't think all the independent developers can produce a real useful applications.From what I see from the N950 project list those who are working on core OS enhancement have good ideas but the apps developers, not so much.

CSSU team will have field day if Nokia release the full source code.There are bunch of things can improved.Especially proper phone functions.

Blame Apple for current app centric mobile OS
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They really change everything, they've successfully change the true meaning of smartphone, which before iOS, smartphone is about bringing computer like experience to mobile, bring people closer to a computer. But when iOS came, it change how the world thinks, a simplified OS which concentrates on APPS alone.

Simplified is OK, as in making things simple; BUT scaling down, instead of making the process more simple and easy to use, yet maintaining the power and feature is another thing. For iOS, it's "really" make the OS a very scaled down and BASIC/SIMPLE OS. With this, it's easy to manage, control and STABLE. By putting the concentration on APPS, it's easy to control and attract people, changing how most people think. But for technical people, especially the "pros", they see it different as they notice the change, hence why iOS or iPhone was never considered a smartphone.

Then again, it depends on the types of user, it seems there're many users which only cares about apps instead of the OS features and functionality, as well as, the computer like experience. So, it's a winning strategy but to me, it's a bad name for smartphone as it changes the game.
But, there're people who will eventually move on and upgrade, they will notice what their phone or tablet can't do; You may notice some users moved on to Android, especially after knowing the real difference (e.g. saw what the friend with Android devices can do, the "homescreen", etc; With iPhone, it's more like a PLAIN device with TONS of APPS, to me, it's no difference with those multimedia player class devices, it simply adds phone functionality).

In short, there're many category/types of users, most people will choose something simple and easy to use (with most of them probably are not familiar with smartphone, find smartphones too complicated to use), and some of these will eventually learn and move forward, upgrade and "DEMAND" for more.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
Porting should be easy but the million dollar question is why would any developer waste resource for a OS even the manufacturer don't have confidence with?

Maemo/MeeGo don't need whatsapp.It has build in IM application.Just connect to internet & you'll be automatically connected to all your IM & facebook account.

IMHO this is better because IM's are supported cross platform & there are bunch of applications for IM's.Maemo & MeeGo device are probably some of the rare device with this kind of IM integration.
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I think many people weren't from Maemo background or users of Maemo, so they were not familiar what Maemo already has or offer; IMO, it's still better than MeeGo, just that MeeGo provides more simplicity, smoothness and more polished; MeeGo has separated to Tablet OS and Smartphone OS, I'd pretty much prefer the Tablet/Netbook version OS tongue.gif
I think previously they run some version of MeeGo on N900? I can't remember

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Can the N9 can run java apps? If yes, the app situation isn't so bad as there are plenty of Java apps around like ebook readers and games. Opera mini has also released a version for N9.

Will those apps for N900 in the Ovi store work for N9?

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http://www.nokia.com.my/find-product/all-p...n-1todtmt0112b7

hmm. means we can order n9 already? stated 299 euro on the website?
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
Maemo/MeeGo don't need whatsapp.It has build in IM application.Just connect to internet & you'll be automatically connected to all your IM & facebook account.
IMHO this is better because IM's are supported cross platform & there are bunch of applications for IM's.Maemo & MeeGo device are probably some of the rare device with this kind of IM integration.
Intel won't back down from MeeGo that fast.
Most probably on hold till their medfield/moorestown SOC is complete.
Problem with Dalvik is the program need to be integrated to the OS.Probably to the kernel level.
Myriad rep said that Nokia themselves has to integrate Dalvik in MeeGo.
Inferior hardware is again result of Elop's idiocy.N950 is scrapped 1st MeeGo device.For sure Elop could have instruct the smartphone devision to pack a better hardware for N9 after that.But to avoid N9 packing too much punch & at same time to save the good "stuff" for WP7 device he probably told the MeeGo team to use whatever scrap hardware available in Nokia warehouse.

Again I'll say that Elop is an idiot.
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Even if Dalvik is integrated to the OS itself, we still have to consider that we are running Android apps which are basically relying on much more powerful hardware. How well will N9 cope with those Android apps?

There're lots of IM client for Marmo and I appreciate that IM integration's been done in N900, but well, having Whatsapp which lots of people are using seems more convenient right. Not to say IM integration is no good. It's great but not everyone logs in to IM all the time. This is really user problem.

No matter what, I really still hope Nokia change their mind and decide to work on Meego. Why can't they work on Meego and promise a future for it instead of announcing the death of it before it's even been given birth. Damn it, I really want to beat Elop to death. doh.gif


Added on September 9, 2011, 1:57 pm
QUOTE(murv90 @ Sep 9 2011, 12:31 PM)
http://www.nokia.com.my/find-product/all-p...n-1todtmt0112b7

hmm. means we can order n9 already? stated 299 euro on the website?
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Looks like they copied directly from another country's Nokia website. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(hengguowei @ Sep 9 2011, 01:43 PM)
Even if Dalvik is integrated to the OS itself, we still have to consider that we are running Android apps which are basically relying on much more powerful hardware. How well will N9 cope with those Android apps?

There're lots of IM client for Marmo and I appreciate that IM integration's been done in N900, but well, having Whatsapp which lots of people are using seems more convenient right. Not to say IM integration is no good. It's great but not everyone logs in to IM all the time. This is really user problem.

No matter what, I really still hope Nokia change their mind and decide to work on Meego. Why can't they work on Meego and promise a future for it instead of announcing the death of it before it's even been given birth. Damn it, I really want to beat Elop to death. doh.gif


Added on September 9, 2011, 1:57 pm
Looks like they copied directly from another country's Nokia website. hmm.gif
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oh ya. just noticed at the side. different telcos. blink.gif

anyways the price is including a data plan i think. thats quite cheap 299euro= rm1200. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 9 2011, 09:45 AM)
I think previously they run some version of MeeGo on N900? I can't remember
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N900 can run MeeGo tablet version

QUOTE(hengguowei @ Sep 9 2011, 01:43 PM)
Even if Dalvik is integrated to the OS itself, we still have to consider that we are running Android apps which are basically relying on much more powerful hardware. How well will N9 cope with those Android apps?

There're lots of IM client for Marmo and I appreciate that IM integration's been done in N900, but well, having Whatsapp which lots of people are using seems more convenient right. Not to say IM integration is no good. It's great but not everyone logs in to IM all the time. This is really user problem.

No matter what, I really still hope Nokia change their mind and decide to work on Meego. Why can't they work on Meego and promise a future for it instead of announcing the death of it before it's even been given birth. Damn it, I really want to beat Elop to death. doh.gif


Added on September 9, 2011, 1:57 pm
Looks like they copied directly from another country's Nokia website. hmm.gif
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Remember,not every game designed to run in 1.2GHz dual core processor.
In fact majority of games don't even take advantage the extra cores in the processor.I think N9 can still run majority of androids high end games.

About the IM blame other OS owners for not integrating "FREE" IM & making people rely on paid messaging app which essentially doing the stuff done by bunch of free apps.

I already said this before,it's very unlikely that Nokia will return for MeeGo as primary OS.
Majority of the talents working on MeeGo already left & it'll be financially bad for Nokia to terminate existing contract with Microsoft.
It's well known that Microsoft dislike open source.Even after the publicity stunt during linux birthday recently.
They will try to force Nokia to use only their OS for high end product.
With balless CEO like Elop Nokia will just nod to whatever Microsoft said after this.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 02:46 PM)
N900 can run MeeGo tablet version
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Yea, I remember I saw that, but was very laggy I think. I'd prefer that, especially considering Maemo as a tablet class/version OS.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 02:46 PM)
Remember,not every game designed to run in 1.2GHz dual core processor.
In fact majority of games don't even take advantage the extra cores in the processor.I think N9 can still run majority of androids high end games.
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True, there're many Android devices which are still below 1Ghz; Usually they won't come out with apps which requires the highest spec; If there is those that can support high spec, most probably it'll come out something like the "HD" thing, as current trend.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 02:46 PM)
About the IM blame other OS owners for not integrating "FREE" IM & making people rely on paid messaging app which essentially doing the stuff done by bunch of free apps.
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True, just as I said before, to have is better than not to have. So having the integrated IM is something very nice to have. For apps, there can always be created/developed easily, but something that's added to the core, it's a different thing. Besides, the integrated IM, there're many advantages and benefit, especially for those that really appreciates and utilize it, the contact book is integreated to all those social network accounts, conversations are integrated and stored in history, and there no need to open a 3rd party application for IM.

When you connect to the internet, you're automatically connected to the integrated IM, and all the services.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 9 2011, 02:46 PM)
I already said this before,it's very unlikely that Nokia will return for MeeGo as primary OS.
Majority of the talents working on MeeGo already left & it'll be financially bad for Nokia to terminate existing contract with Microsoft.
It's well known that Microsoft dislike open source.Even after the publicity stunt during linux birthday recently.
They will try to force Nokia to use only their OS for high end product.
With balless CEO like Elop Nokia will just nod to whatever Microsoft said after this.
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It's a threat that may disrupt Nokia Windows Phone sales/popularity.
Imagine if people prefers MeeGo? What will happen to Nokia Windows Phone? How will MS react?
In fact, the latest Symbian Belle, seems to be smooth and looks pretty good; I wonder what will happen to it later.

On a side note, as the rumour/talk about "sending someone into the base, attack from the inside, and finally take over"; It'll be a fail plan if MeeGo overwhelms... So, first, it need to eliminate the threat. After all is well, time to bought over? When Nokia using Windows Phone, I suspect people might start to remember Microsoft than Nokia as the brand? I don't know... All this is just talks.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 9 2011, 03:25 PM)
When you connect to the internet, you're automatically connected to the integrated IM, and all the services.
It's a threat that may disrupt Nokia Windows Phone sales/popularity.
Imagine if people prefers MeeGo? What will happen to Nokia Windows Phone? How will MS react?
In fact, the latest Symbian Belle, seems to be smooth and looks pretty good; I wonder what will happen to it later.

On a side note, as the rumour/talk about "sending someone into the base, attack from the inside, and finally take over"; It'll be a fail plan if MeeGo overwhelms... So, first, it need to eliminate the threat. After all is well, time to bought over? When Nokia using Windows Phone, I suspect people might start to remember Microsoft than Nokia as the brand? I don't know... All this is just talks.
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MeeGo Harmattan sort of combine the best of both iOS & Android.And it's well received by almost everyone.
But even a good OS without proper support won't attract people to buy it.Also N9 will be released in limited countries with limited number & this will further drive people away from N9.
I think Nokia(well at least Elop) & Microsoft can feel pretty much safe that Nokia's WP7 will beat N9's sale.

I remember one of the American user comment:
"Lot's of people say Windows Phone 7 OS is nice but then why is Microsoft/manufacturers having hard time selling WP7 devices?
Seems like a dog turd wrapped with ribbon can make better sale than WP7's sale"
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Talks of Meego's death are premature. Intel hasn't given up on Meego yet but they are looking for a hardware partner.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/intel-hasnt-given...eloping-the-os/
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 10 2011, 09:42 AM)
Talks of Meego's death are premature. Intel hasn't given up on Meego yet but they are looking for a hardware partner.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/intel-hasnt-given...eloping-the-os/
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But Nokia's giving up on Meego. So N9 in conclusion has been given up. doh.gif
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Meego is open source so it doesn't die with Nokia. If N9 sales is a success and Elop insist on letting go then other hardware manufacturers will step in. LG may also make Meego phones

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/04/15/lg-co...e-meego-phones/

So cheer up. Elop doesn't have the final say. It's the consumers. Even in Nokia I doubt Elop has the practical power to kill off a successful product or he may be looking for another job.

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