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post Dec 4 2017, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(sky3742 @ Dec 4 2017, 07:18 PM)
Just noticed that 8TV now put title beside the logo like what TV3 and TV9 did since Thursday.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 4 2017, 08:15 PM)
At least some improvement..
Got title beside logo.. So we know what show / program going on TV ๐Ÿ˜€
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IMHO these "title" things shown on TV1,TV2,TV3,8TV,TV9,TV Alhijrah are not an improvement but completely useless and very annoying like that "siaran digital" watermark given the wide availablity of EPG with just a click of button. But given the EPG for Media Prima is not stable and analogue TV are still there, these are still needed for some time. Really hope that these can be phased out for good (I think that they wont because they are desperate to got viewers). These "title" thing is first introduced on TV9 (on Analogue era, at that time it is useful because many are still using analogue TV) and then spread to TV2, TV3 ,TV1, TV Alhijrah and now 8TV. You wont see these things being imposed on Astro/HyppTV in house channels due to they have complete EPG.

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post Dec 4 2017, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 4 2017, 09:54 PM)
IMHO these "title" things shown on TV1,TV2,TV3,8TV,TV9,TV Alhijrah are not an improvement but completely useless and very annoying like that "siaran digital" watermark given the wide availablity of EPG with just a click of button. But given the EPG for Media Prima is not stable and analogue TV are still there, these are still needed for some time. Really hope that these can be phased out for good (I think that they wont because they are desperate to got viewers). These "title" thing is first introduced on TV9 (on Analogue era, at that time it is useful because many are still using analogue TV) and then spread to TV2, TV3 ,TV1, TV Alhijrah and now 8TV. You wont see these things being imposed on Astro/HyppTV in house channels due to they have complete EPG.
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Agreed. These wordings (title and watermark) in digital TV channels are rather annoying and worthless.

As for Astro HD channels, I wish โ€œHDโ€ mark could be omitted. The less wordings, the better though.
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post Dec 5 2017, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 4 2017, 09:54 PM)
IMHO these "title" things shown on TV1,TV2,TV3,8TV,TV9,TV Alhijrah are not an improvement but completely useless and very annoying like that "siaran digital" watermark given the wide availablity of EPG with just a click of button. But given the EPG for Media Prima is not stable and analogue TV are still there, these are still needed for some time. Really hope that these can be phased out for good (I think that they wont because they are desperate to got viewers). These "title" thing is first introduced on TV9 (on Analogue era, at that time it is useful because many are still using analogue TV) and then spread to TV2, TV3 ,TV1, TV Alhijrah and now 8TV. You wont see these things being imposed on Astro/HyppTV in house channels due to they have complete EPG.
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Well since EPG is not so accurate..
The title beside logo is good for now..
Later when all is stable & finish.. Then should removed it ๐Ÿ˜€
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post Dec 5 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 4 2017, 09:54 PM)
IMHO these "title" things shown on TV1,TV2,TV3,8TV,TV9,TV Alhijrah are not an improvement but completely useless and very annoying like that "siaran digital" watermark given the wide availablity of EPG with just a click of button. But given the EPG for Media Prima is not stable and analogue TV are still there, these are still needed for some time. Really hope that these can be phased out for good (I think that they wont because they are desperate to got viewers). These "title" thing is first introduced on TV9 (on Analogue era, at that time it is useful because many are still using analogue TV) and then spread to TV2, TV3 ,TV1, TV Alhijrah and now 8TV. You wont see these things being imposed on Astro/HyppTV in house channels due to they have complete EPG.
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Totally agree.

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post Dec 5 2017, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Dec 4 2017, 10:09 PM)
Agreed. These wordings (title and watermark) in digital TV channels are rather annoying and worthless.

As for Astro HD channels, I wish โ€œHDโ€ mark could be omitted. The less wordings, the better though.
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Won't be anytime soon..
Since some channels are in both SD & HD..
So needed to have HD mark.. Show off they in HD ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


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post Dec 5 2017, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Dec 4 2017, 10:09 PM)
Agreed. These wordings (title and watermark) in digital TV channels are rather annoying and worthless.

As for Astro HD channels, I wish โ€œHDโ€ mark could be omitted. The less wordings, the better though.
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Irony is, now Singapore Mediacorp channels shows "ANALOGUE" indicator below channel logo to show that the viewer is watching analogue TV channel. While their digital channels no longer put "HD" indicator below the channel logo like previously.

But Malaysia? THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
Analogue TV and pay TVs (Astro and Hypp TV) has no special indicators, but digital TV has the irritating "Siaran myFreeview" indicator on top corner of the screen.

They (MYTV) think digital TV technology as if like very ground-breaking technology like that, must show the "Siaran myFreeview" indicator to show off that "Oh, you're watching digital TV".
Very dumb leh.
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post Dec 5 2017, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 5 2017, 07:33 PM)
Irony is, now Singapore Mediacorp channels shows "ANALOGUE" indicator below channel logo to show that the viewer is watching analogue TV channel. While their digital channels no longer put "HD" indicator below the channel logo like previously.

But Malaysia? THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
Analogue TV and pay TVs (Astro and Hypp TV) has no special indicators, but digital TV has the irritating "Siaran myFreeview" indicator on top corner of the screen.

They (MYTV) think digital TV technology as if like very ground-breaking technology like that, must show the "Siaran myFreeview" indicator to show off that "Oh, you're watching digital TV".
Very dumb leh.
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I agree that the entire marketing and awareness programs done by Malaysia government is so wrong even in the beginning. They keep highlighting โ€œFREEโ€. So what?! Not a big deal. Even without digital TV channels, all the while analogue channels are already free what! To watch digital TV channels, Malaysians have to fork out own money (except minority BR1M recipients) to buy set top boxes or upgrade their TVs to DVB-T2 ready TVs, besides the need of upgrading their antennas. Moreover, itโ€™s our taxpayersโ€™ hard earned money to fund the digital TV project.

Our government should emphasize clearer and quality picture, rather than FREE thingy. Iโ€™m not sure what other people think about this, but I am quite irritated with this so-called FREE thingy because all the while analogue channels are free-to-air channels.
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post Dec 5 2017, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Dec 5 2017, 07:57 PM)
I agree that the entire marketing and awareness programs done by Malaysia government is so wrong even in the beginning. They keep highlighting โ€œFREEโ€. So what?! Not a big deal. Even without digital TV channels, all the while analogue channels are already free what! To watch digital TV channels, Malaysians have to fork out own money (except minority BR1M recipients) to buy set top boxes or upgrade their TVs to DVB-T2 ready TVs, besides the need of upgrading their antennas. Moreover, itโ€™s our taxpayersโ€™ hard earned money to fund the digital TV project.

Our government should emphasize clearer and quality picture, rather than FREE thingy. Iโ€™m not sure what other people think about this, but I am quite irritated with this so-called FREE thingy because all the while analogue channels are free-to-air channels.
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Maybe they keep highlighting โ€œFREEโ€ is because that "clear and quality picture" was relevant only to Pay TV.

To make things worse, the promotion of DTT services is limited even on the traditional analog TV channels. To increase awareness about DTT, myFreeview promo should be running all the time (like a few promo per hour) on ALL channels and should be forced to run on all pay TV channels like those on Astro and HyppTV since Digital Switchover might come soon.

To encourage digital switchover, the government could mandate and add "Siaran Analog" watermark instead on Analog TV rather than emphasis "Siaran Digital" on Digital TV. Pay TV and even online streaming (like tonton, RTM Myklik) doesnt has these watermarks. What makes so special for Digital Terrestrial TV to have such special useless "Siaran Digital" watermarks???

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In sarawak here......when I told my co-workers about digital switchover.....they asked, "Why is our government want to turn off analog signal and force us to buy expensive decoder?"

I told them, "Bandwidth efficiency, clearer audio/image, free up channel bandwidth for other purpose".

They looked up and asked, " What the hell are those? " Their responses:

1) Kan TV pakai aerial punya quality okay je?
2) Apa pula tu 'bandwidth'?
3) TV broadcast sekarang okey je, buat apa nak tukar? Celaka betul kerajaan ni.
4) lepas channel bandwidth tu free, buat apa pula? apa kaitan dengan kita?
5) decoder tu mahal lah, kena bayar gst lagi tu.
6) Sikit je rancangan tv tu, tak berbaloi beli dekoder
7) Tu bukan siaran percuma, nak kita orang beli dekoder, apa beza dengan njoi pula. Njoi lagi banyak channel. hmm.gif

They are mostly pissed off about buying new official expensive dvb-t2 decoder.

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Dec 5 2017, 08:34 PM)
In sarawak here......when I told my co-workers about digital switchover.....they asked, "Why is our government want to turn off analog signal and force us to buy expensive decoder?"

I told them, "Bandwidth efficiency, clearer audio/image, free up channel bandwidth for other purpose".

They looked up and asked, " What the hell are those? " Their responses:

1) Kan TV pakai aerial punya quality okay je?
2) Apa pula tu 'bandwidth'?
3) TV broadcast sekarang okey je, buat apa nak tukar? Celaka betul kerajaan ni.
4) lepas channel bandwidth tu free, buat apa pula? apa kaitan dengan kita?
5) decoder tu mahal lah, kena bayar gst lagi tu.
6) Sikit je rancangan tv tu, tak berbaloi beli dekoder
7) Tu bukan siaran percuma, nak kita orang beli dekoder, apa beza dengan njoi pula. Njoi lagi banyak channel.  hmm.gif

They are mostly pissed off about buying new official expensive dvb-t2 decoder.
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You forgot to told them, current analogue tv can only put one channel in one frequency (costly), digital one is better because you can put more channels in one frequency. Plus multiple audio option.
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Dec 5 2017, 08:34 PM)
In sarawak here......when I told my co-workers about digital switchover.....they asked, "Why is our government want to turn off analog signal and force us to buy expensive decoder?"

I told them, "Bandwidth efficiency, clearer audio/image, free up channel bandwidth for other purpose".

They looked up and asked, " What the hell are those? " Their responses:

1) Kan TV pakai aerial punya quality okay je?
2) Apa pula tu 'bandwidth'?
3) TV broadcast sekarang okey je, buat apa nak tukar? Celaka betul kerajaan ni.
4) lepas channel bandwidth tu free, buat apa pula? apa kaitan dengan kita?
5) decoder tu mahal lah, kena bayar gst lagi tu.
6) Sikit je rancangan tv tu, tak berbaloi beli dekoder
7) Tu bukan siaran percuma, nak kita orang beli dekoder, apa beza dengan njoi pula. Njoi lagi banyak channel.  hmm.gif

They are mostly pissed off about buying new official expensive dvb-t2 decoder.
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They are testament to Astro's monopoly being very successful at destroying the concept of broadcasting. So many people think TV broadcast reception is something you have to pay for so when a new revolution comes along, FTA has to be touted as a feature and advantage. Most play along to that tune, and some object. Both out of ignorance.

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Dec 5 2017, 08:34 PM)
In sarawak here......when I told my co-workers about digital switchover.....they asked, "Why is our government want to turn off analog signal and force us to buy expensive decoder?"

I told them, "Bandwidth efficiency, clearer audio/image, free up channel bandwidth for other purpose".

They looked up and asked, " What the hell are those? " Their responses:

1) Kan TV pakai aerial punya quality okay je?
2) Apa pula tu 'bandwidth'?
3) TV broadcast sekarang okey je, buat apa nak tukar? Celaka betul kerajaan ni.
4) lepas channel bandwidth tu free, buat apa pula? apa kaitan dengan kita?
5) decoder tu mahal lah, kena bayar gst lagi tu.
6) Sikit je rancangan tv tu, tak berbaloi beli dekoder
7) Tu bukan siaran percuma, nak kita orang beli dekoder, apa beza dengan njoi pula. Njoi lagi banyak channel.  hmm.gif

They are mostly pissed off about buying new official expensive dvb-t2 decoder.
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The bold part..
Astro could gain the most...
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post Dec 6 2017, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(mitsu manabe @ Dec 6 2017, 03:43 AM)
You forgot to told them, current analogue tv can only put one channel in one frequency (costly), digital one is better because you can put more channels in one frequency. Plus multiple audio option.
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Multiple audio option is possible via NICAM (the audio system that Malaysian TV use) but however broadcasters here decide only use it for stereo broadcasting for technical reasons.
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QUOTE(9M-MAS @ Dec 6 2017, 11:21 AM)
They are testament to Astro's monopoly being very successful at destroying the concept of broadcasting.  So many people think TV broadcast reception is something you have to pay for so when a new revolution comes along, FTA has to be touted as a feature and advantage. Most play along to that tune, and some object. Both out of ignorance.
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That's why exactly myFreeview are promoting their TV service as "FREE". As in the past clear picture was associated to Pay TV (Astro/HyppTV). When a new revolution comes along, they thought that this is just another Pay TV service.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 6 2017, 12:03 PM)
The bold part..
Astro could gain the most...
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True, 5 of my co-workers plan to install NJOI after getting their bonus.
I mean....come on...MYTV only has 9 TV channels.....and costing RM199 (promo period) and standard price of RM 299
NJOI = RM 450 (RM100 dish installation fee inclusive), broadcast same TV channels carried by MYTV right now plus several extra channels.


QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 6 2017, 01:21 PM)
That's why exactly myFreeview are promoting their TV service as "FREE". As in the past clear picture was associated to Pay TV (Astro/HyppTV). When a new revolution comes along, they thought that this is just another Pay TV service.
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Wait until Astro actually promote their NJOI as "FREE" and see how MYTV falls on its own. brows.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Dec 6 2017, 02:03 PM)
True, 5 of my co-workers plan to install NJOI after getting their bonus.
I mean....come on...MYTV only has 9 TV channels.....and costing RM199 (promo period) and standard price of RM 299
NJOI = RM 450 (RM100 dish installation fee inclusive), broadcast same TV channels carried by MYTV right now plus several extra channels.
Wait until Astro actually promote their NJOI as "FREE" and see how MYTV falls on its own. brows.gif
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Just to add, some areas need to install outdoor antenna to receive MYTV signal. It is quite costly to install antenna on roof.

In fact, Njoi is much much better than the current myFreeview as Njoi not only consists of all myFreeview channels, it also comes with some free Astro channels (including Astro Arena sports channel) and some HD channels.
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Wow! Lucky me! I didn't know this kind of discussion exists in my country! thumbup.gif
And it is really a shocking news to me that Analog broadcast will be stopped next year!!

I mean, this is Malaysia. This country, where almost none of my friends and relatives knows the existance of DTT Freview channels hmm.gif Me myself only got to know about this since I started working in a TV making company. blush.gif

I guess this "Digital switching" information needs to be viraled in socmed to reach Malaysian citizens (where all the teenagers and belias spend most time to). Only then the info will reach the elders.

But again, who cares, because everyone is using Astro anyways. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Dec 6 2017, 02:03 PM)
Wait until Astro actually promote their NJOI as "FREE" and see how MYTV falls on its own. brows.gif
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Astro's free offering has far more channels including their popular radio stations which cost similar to install. This will only strengthen Astro's already dominant position, which means unfair charging. So far the only channel that is exclusive to MYTV is HD version of TV3 and Drama Sangat (both on Test transmission).

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QUOTE(aszosh @ Dec 6 2017, 03:01 PM)
Wow! Lucky me! I didn't know this kind of discussion exists in my country!ย  thumbup.gif
And it is really a shocking news to me that Analog broadcast will be stopped next year!!

I mean, this is Malaysia. This country, where almost none of my friends and relatives knows the existance of DTT Freview channelsย  hmm.gif Me myself only got to know about this since I started working in a TV making company.ย  blush.gif

I guess this "Digital switching" information needs to be viraled in socmed to reach Malaysian citizens (where all the teenagers and belias spend most time to). Only then the info will reach the elders.

But again, who cares, because everyone is using Astro anyways. tongue.gif
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Most of the youths nowadays won't care about this digital TV migration also...
The trend nowadays has changed. Last time we used to depend on TV for entertainment, but now it's no longer anymore.
Plus, when you can get better quality content elsewhere than FTA TV stations (including Astro and the Internet), why would you stick to watching FTA stations channels?
That's why RTM and Media Prima viewers are getting lesser and lesser as time goes by, leaving only those non tech-savvy elderly would depend and consume on traditional media content such as TV.

I do notice that MYTV did advertise their DTT technology in places like some train stations, inside trains, billboards, newspaper, and even have advertisement spot on RTM and Media Prima channels.
But still, I don't find it enough. There's about 6 months time left before ASO and I find that our government is not putting enough effort to make sure every Malaysians is well informed about this.

I hope MYTV would advise both RTM and Media Prima to follow like what Mediacorp Singapore did; put "ANALOGUE" on-screen indicator below channel logo for viewer to aware that they're watching analogue TV. Like this:
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I find that this is an effective way to alert viewers that they are watching analogue TV platform, and at least they would take the initiative to know what is it about.

Currently, in Malaysia, you don't see such indicators on analogue TV and pay TVs (Astro and Hypp TV) platform, but watching it from digital TV platform has the irritating "Siaran Digital myFreeview" indicator on top corner of the screen (picture shown below) to show off that "Oh, you're watching digital TV". Very dumb indeed.
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Because, if you ask around, do you know what is analogue TV? I can assure you that most of them didn't even hear before that term "analogue TV" or even mistaken it as "CRT TV", or don't know what is it, and all they know is, using those antenna you put on roof or on top of TV, that kind of TV channels, you get to see lots of "white ants" (referring to analogue TV static) on screen. But if you watch Astro, very clear picture and sound.

Seriously if MYTV and the government (MCMC) still not taking this seriously, my prediction would be, the scheduled analogue TV switch-off date by end of June 2018, are very likely to be delayed and postponed to later date, as an excuse to provide more time for viewers to migrate to digital TV. The main thing is, many Malaysians aren't aware of this ASO and yet MYTV Broadcasting didn't mention much enough about ASO. They should give tons of notices, a lot a lot of notices to the public to make sure (almost) all Malaysians aware about ASO is coming and the DTT migration, cuz just mentioning it once in a bluemoon in the news won't be effective. You expect those elderly to know, what is digital TV and analogue TV stuff? Hard to say, MYTV might be playing safe not to mention too much about ASO date, in case if it really got delayed due to some reasons. But at the end, most of the viewers just won't care and continue watching analogue TV as usual. They'll be like:
"Why I need to migrate to digital TV when I can watch analogue TV as usual?"
"Clearer picture? Now (analogue TV) not clear meh?"
"Buy the digital TV STB (decoder) for what? Need to spend money somemore. Troublesome la."

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When you see these advertisement around places, it is as if MYTV thinks that this digital TV technology like something very new in Malaysia, a very ground-breaking technology like that; it is so real until those volcano eruption lava can burst out from your TV screen. They think it's like 3D technology? MYTV drunk izit? This is not advertising creativity, this is utterly stupid, irrelevant and I don't find it informative at all, and wasting advertising budget. See what we have now? 12 channels (10 SD, 2 HD) and 4 radio channels. Very ground-breaking is it? Now only 2 HD channels? Why not upgrade all or provide more RTM and Media Prima channels in HD? Like that la you advertise "Watching TV now as clear as reality" (shown on newspaper ad).

Come on, Astro uses digital television technology since they introduced its service back in 1996, and introduced HD services (Astro B.yond) back in Dec 2009. Astro is smart enough not to create stupid advertisement like MYTV did. So after 20 years since Astro introduces digital television, Malaysians can get to enjoy digital television for free through myFreeview, is it? What a third world country.....
DTT migration's PSAs from other countries including neighbouring countries like Singapore, isn't as exaggerating as this la.

MYTV Broadcasting, or any relevant parties should be informing the public about ASO, and inform the public to migrate to DTT as often, instead of MYTV keep advertise their DTT stuff (what is digital TV, how to set-up digital TV,...) and those volcano eruption nonsense. ASO is more important than DTT. Because not everyone will care much and interested to migrate to DTT if ASO is not well informed by the public, especially families (especially low income ones) that depend on FTA stations to watch TV.

Hate to say all these, but it is truly happening in our country.

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True, 5 of my co-workers plan to install NJOI after getting their bonus.
I mean....come on...MYTV only has 9 TV channels.....and costing RM199 (promo period) and standard price of RM 299
NJOI = RM 450 (RM100 dish installation fee inclusive), broadcast same TV channels carried by MYTV right now plus several extra channels.
Wait until Astro actually promote their NJOI as "FREE" and see how MYTV falls on its own. brows.gif
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from the way of it..

MYTV could be failure.. maybe until they also have Paid version (but need to see also what channel they offer)

for now NJOI is better choice cool2.gif

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