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post Aug 23 2005, 11:19 PM, updated 20y ago

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TCCD/TCC5 Overclocking Database and Discussions

Having overclocking problem with your TCCD? Some questions that we usually overcome with TCCD and TCC5 chips.......
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How to get my TCCD running DDR700 at 1T?
TCC5 good meh?
My friend TCC5 is faster than my TCCD, how leh?
My TCCD can memtest stable, but cannot Prime... help me!
How much voltage do I need for DDR600?
Why I cannot run 1T ah?
Why my RAM heatspreader not as nice as yours? Sticket also faded faded edi!

So... I hope this is the best thread to share our results on TCCD/TCC5 discussions. I don't see any relevance in separating TCCD and TCC5 as they are basically the same chip/ic, which is Samsung K4H560838F. To make this database possible, you guys need to post your best DDR speed which is stable enough to run SuperPi 32M. Don't forget to include your CPU-Z verification link. Necessary utilities like SuperPi mod and CPU-Z 1.30 is provided at the bottom of this posting.

Categories are divided to single channel and dual channel. 2x dual channel will be added if there is any. AMD or Intel does not matter, as long as it fulfills the requirement. Ranking is sorted according to the highest DDR speed, followed by timing and then voltage. Lower voltage will have better advantage compare to higher timing.

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Just like any other database, please include your:
1. CPU, chipset and FSB:RAM divider used.
2. RAM brand, TCCD or TCC5.
3. RAM speed, timing and voltage.
4. Screenshot of SuperPi 32M (pass) with 2 CPU-Z which shows "CPU" and "Memory" section. Please use thumbnail or attach to the posting to make things neater. Avoid direct image linking if possible.
5. Include CPU-Z verification link.

Example:
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CPU: AMD Sempron 2800+
Chipset: nF3 250Gb
Divider: 5/06
RAM brand: 512MB OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Rev.2 1.1 (TCC5)
Speed : 270MHz, 2.5-4-3-10 @ 2.8V
*Ignore screenie, it's just an example of posting template

This database purpose is to help others, rather than for show-off purpose. Each person can post more than one result, as long as it came from different brand. There is no need to cheat to get into the chart, as there is no minimum ranking for this database.

Utilities:
CPU-Z v1.30
SuperPi mod 1.4

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post Aug 23 2005, 11:54 PM

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Have you tried DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7?


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32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)

put 4bursts....
ur ram voltage wil be lower as 2.8 or 2.9

last times i oso face tis problem n run my tccd at 3.3v
flash to 618-3 bios n no hav 8bursts for me...so i choose 4 bursts n my ram vdimm drop til 2.9v@300fsb
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How about this?

http://www.ministryofoverclocking.net/foru...wtopic.php?t=39


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post Aug 24 2005, 02:46 AM

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Genie BIOS Settings:
FSB Bus Frequency - 300
AGP Bus Frequency - 67mhz
Clock Spread Spectrum - Disabled
LDT Downstream Width - Auto
LDT Upstream Width - Auto
LDT/FSB Frequency - x2
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 8x
K8 Cool 'n' Quiet Support - Disable

CPU VID Control - xx
CPU VID Special Control - Above VID * xx
Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.90v
AGP Voltage Control - 1.60v
DRAM Voltage Control - 3.10v

DRAM Configuration:
DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/1)
Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable
CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 04 Bus Clocks
Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 7 Bus Clocks
Row precharge time (Trp) - 03 Bus Clocks
Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks ---> 9-10
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 14 Bus Clocks -->16
Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 03 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref) - 4708 Cycles --> 3072
Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - Auto --> 1
DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled

DQS Skew Control - Increase --> decrease
DQS Skew Value - 0 --> 128
DRAM Drive Strength - Level 1 --> try 1 3 5 7
DRAM Data Drive Strength - Auto --> try 1 or 2
Max Async Latency - 8.0ns
Read Preamble Time - 6.0ns
IdleCycle Limit - 128 Cycles --> 256
Dynamic Counter - Disable
R/W Queue Bypass - 16 x --> 8x
Bypass Max - 07 x --> 4x
32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)
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no luck yet so far.... but it's getting interesting laugh.gif

will restart from the scratch

what i like about my TCC5 is that it runs DDR400 2-2-2-5 with only 2.6V, 100% stable with memtest, prime and superpi32M thumbup.gif
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post Aug 24 2005, 12:47 PM

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my TCCD ddr600 memtest at 2.5v tongue.gif

play around with your Max async and read preamble.. try a few combination
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i wanted to try 2.5V but when i put 2.5V the reading is still around 2.6V

but heck... the default voltage OCZ suggested was 2.75V laugh.gif

no much luck yet sad.gif

i can do DDR600 2.5-4-3-7 at 2.8V with some errors during memtest. can run superpi 1M and run sisandra memory benchmark only

maybe it's just my Palermo D0 memory controller at the limit blush.gif
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:46 PM

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may i know wat diffrent between tcc5 n tccd??
timing??
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TCC5 is binned at 466MHz by Samsung
TCCD is binned at 500MHz by Samsung

both are from the same die (revision F), which means they should have the same overclocking potential.

lower speed binning actually reduces manufacturing cost

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2.5-4-4-8@321*9@3.0v@1:1

but after i burn in for few day...now can make it at 2.5-4-3-6 2.9v 321@1:1

no time to benmark jor...kinda lazy now...hahaha
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:23 PM)
Sandy very good ler, not worth comparing my cheapo Palermo D0, lil bro of Winnie laugh.gif
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no lah...fx-57 more power full laugh.gif
so u fast fast get 1 unit sandy loh... tongue.gif tongue.gif

cos i wanna change my ram soon...i wanna find a tccd ram tat can do at ddr600@2-2-2-5@1:1 sweat.gif

but ur ram oso not bad, can do at 2.5-4-3-6@ddr600

QUOTE(DaBaD @ Aug 24 2005, 11:33 PM)
Pergh!!!!  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif

Cool man...cool...how did u burn in?
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memtest86 wit 12hours then stop for a while...if u got a good cooling then no need to stop... n i found prime95 is a good software to burn in ur pc...

cos every time i open 2(means run prime95 two at the same times) n run fft at 1024mb.

290*10 wil fail at 1h16min at the 1st... mb my cooling no really good...
my ram d@mn hot vmad.gif

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TCCD ddr600 2-2-2-5???

ur SanDiego is a gem.. keep it.. the SanDiegos i've seen have problem with TCCD.. including mine..
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got such tccd ddr600 2-2-2-5 meh?

i tot... tccd ddr600 2.5-3-3-x-1T is already super
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QUOTE(babyelf @ Aug 24 2005, 11:38 PM)
TCCD ddr600 2-2-2-5???

ur SanDiego is a gem.. keep it.. the SanDiegos i've seen have problem with TCCD.. including mine..
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i argee too...cos my bh-5@2-2-2-5@1:1@3.7v can prime stable for 3hours at 265*11..without any problem smile.gif

QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:40 PM)
got such tccd ddr600 2-2-2-5 meh?

i tot... tccd ddr600 2.5-3-3-x-1T is already super
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ya...tat y i need to find a good tccd can run at 2-2-2-5 wub.gif wub.gif thumbup.gif
i think onli geil can do it...but the price sweat.gif sweat.gif
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babyelf gem...mind send to me n let me try the speed tongue.gif

1. babyelf - 8125 PTS - Gskill LE TCCD @ 7-3-3-2.5 @ @ 302 MHZ @ 1T @ 2.73 VDIMM


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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 24 2005, 11:44 PM)
i argee too...cos my bh-5@2-2-2-5@1:1@3.7v can prime stable for 3hours at 265*11..without any problem smile.gif
ya...tat y i need to find a good tccd can run at 2-2-2-5 wub.gif  wub.gif  thumbup.gif
i think onli geil can do it...but the price sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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TCCD that runs 2-2-2-5 at what speed?

which geil can do what?

if u're talking about the Geil One memory u've been deceived by their marketing tactics..

They used a x4 multiplier (which is a bug on Athlon64) and actual ram speed is not DDR600 2-2-2-5.. it is lower

mind sharing your BH-5 alpha timings?


1. babyelf - 8125 PTS - Gskill LE TCCD @ 7-3-3-2.5 @ @ 302 MHZ @ 1T @ 2.73 VDIMM

that was with my other processor.. not my Sandiego.. my Sandiego don't like TCCD.. that's why you don't see me testing my TCCD on my sandiego
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and also... CL1.5 by Geil also marketing gimmick, where the CL1.5 is actually non-existence in A64 memory timings

Geil sure got lotsa marketing gimmick eh?
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:57 PM)
and also... CL1.5 by Geil also marketing gimmick, where the CL1.5 is actually non-existence in A64 memory timings

Geil sure got lotsa marketing gimmick eh?
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3 possibilities
1. their engineers bodoh
2. their engineers didn't read A64 white paper
3. they know.. but mau tipu consumers

and btw..

there's 2 Geil One modules

one is BH-5 and one is TCCD..

their Geil One TCCD is actually not bad.. but a bit too pricey.. don't think i'll get one..

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i didt set all...onli set the timing...cos last time i buy all stuff, n i cant find gskill ram in lyn tat y i tempory use my old bh-5 to run 1st...

last times buy tis baby at rm400 onli 256 corsair 3200 rev1.1, on b'cos run at single channel n didt do any benmark, jus use tat ram to burn in my proc smile.gif

but ur superpi using sandy vy fast wat...abt 27sec finish 1mb jor...
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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 25 2005, 12:00 AM)
i didt set all...onli set the timing...cos last time i buy all stuff, n i cant find gskill ram in lyn tat y i tempory use my old bh-5 to run 1st...

last times buy tis baby at rm400 onli 256 corsair 3200 rev1.1, on b'cos run at single channel n didt do any benmark, jus use tat ram to burn in my proc smile.gif

but ur superpi using sandy vy fast wat...abt 27sec finish 1mb jor...
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so 265 just 2-2-2-5 in bios? other timings on auto?

that superpi1mb is suicide shot.. nothing near stable.. maybe will get it higher soon.. just got this wink.gif


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My current setting at 2.8V with very minimum error in Memtest86+, maybe need more burn-in sad.gif

(Using DFI nF3 250Gb 4/15 BIOS w/ 4Vdimm mod)

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Genie BIOS Settings:
FSB Bus Frequency - 300
AGP Bus Frequency - 67mhz
Clock Spread Spectrum - Disabled
LDT Downstream Width - Auto
LDT Upstream Width - Auto
LDT/FSB Frequency - Auto
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 8x
K8 Cool 'n' Quiet Support - Disable

CPU VID Control - 1.4V
CPU VID Special Control - Above VID * 0.126%
Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.90v
AGP Voltage Control - 1.60v
DRAM Voltage Control - 2.80v

DRAM Configuration:
DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/1)
Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable
CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 04 Bus Clocks
Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 7 Bus Clocks
Row precharge time (Trp) - 03 Bus Clocks
Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 14 Bus Clocks
Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 03 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref) - 4708 Cycles
Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 1
DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled

DQS Skew Control - Increase
DQS Skew Value - 255
DRAM Drive Strength - Level 2
Max Async Latency - 7.0ns
Read Preamble Time - 5.0ns
IdleCycle Limit - 016 Cycles
Dynamic Counter - Disable
R/W Queue Bypass - 16 x
Bypass Max - 07 x
32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)
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cannot run at ???
Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks

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haven't tried that though

i tot lower timing is more stable sweat.gif
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 26 2005, 12:23 AM)
haven't tried that though

i tot lower timing is more stable sweat.gif
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dunno loh...cos i can run 3dmark wit tis setting...if i put 3,3,2,3 or 3,2,2,3 got problem... but put it 2,2,2,2 then no problem jor laugh.gif

i oso pelik tongue.gif sweat.gif
mb u can try lah smile.gif

hmm...here my old bh-5 run at 2-2-2-7@267@3.7v@1:1@1t sweat.gif



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Eh? Whats BH-5 doing in a TCCD thread? tongue.gif

Anyways, I find that it is much easier to overclock 2x256MH TCCDs to 300+MHz with 1T than 2x512MB TCCDs.

Here's my setup doing 300MHz 2.5-4-3-7-1T @ 2.7V on Corsair 3200XL 2x256MB TCCD 513
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My current highest stable record at 320MHz 2.5-4-4-8-1T 2.7V on 3200XL 2x256MB TCCD modules
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My Setup: A64 3000+ WinChester - DFI LP UT nF3 Ultra-D (BIOS 705) - Corsair XMS 3200XL 2x256MB 2.7v - LTD 3x 1.7v - CPU 1.6v - vAGP 1.6v

Edit: All tests done in DUAL CHANNEL.

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nice one there dude

but 256MB modules sure can clock high easily due to the single bank factor
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 26 2005, 07:53 PM)
nice one there dude

but 256MB modules sure can clock high easily due to the single bank factor
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Yup.. its either that or my board hates dual sided memory module.
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I found this thread informative so I have decided to pinned it up for easy reference.
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Dont know whether is it a suitable place to post or not ..

Anything idea what cause failed ? sad.gif

2x512MB Corsair TwinX DDR400 v1.4, running at 270MHz, 2.5-4-3-7,1T, 3.2v

memtest run >7hours same setting with3.0v no error.
but in window i need to adjust to 3.2v blink.gif

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Try:

Max Async Latency to 8
Read preable to 6
Idle Cycle Limit to 256
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ahpaul... i think your voltage is too high for only 270mhz ler...

try back down to 2.7v or 2.8v

yours are tccds right?
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Which one more realible ? or should i said more trusted ?
Prime95 or SP2004 ? huh.gif
The Prime95 failed but SP2004 still running no error yet.. blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 30 2005, 05:01 PM)
ahpaul... i think your voltage is too high for only 270mhz ler...

try back down to 2.7v or 2.8v

yours are tccds right?
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voltage too high? huh.gif
but i think mine's TCCD is not as good as you guy one leh..
blush.gif sweat.gif

ok
i will try lower the voltage and kianwee setting .

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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Aug 30 2005, 05:04 PM)
Which one more realible ? or should i said more trusted ?
Prime95 or SP2004huh.gif
The Prime95 failed but SP2004 still running no error yet..  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
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Which test did you run?
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find your maximum memory oc and tune the memory timings to get memtest86 pass at test #5, tune until you can get it run at 2.8V or less. if you're trying to run at 300mhz, put the vdimm at 2.9v

from there, after you can pass memtest86 #5, try to enter windows. if you cannot stable in windows, you might need to increase your chipset, agp or cpu voltage. or maybe u need to bump your agp speed to 67mhz. no need to alter your vdimm anymore.
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Aug 30 2005, 05:04 PM)
Which one more realible ? or should i said more trusted ?
Prime95 or SP2004huh.gif
The Prime95 failed but SP2004 still running no error yet..  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
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Actually both are the same, using the same Lucas-Lehmer iterations. To stress the RAM, use In-place Large FFTs or Blend Tests. However, Blend test will use up all of your RAM and causing extreme lags. So, I prefer Large FFTs.

If you have Prime95 for some reason, try Windows MemTest (http://hcidesign.com/memtest/). Let it pass atleast 3000% coverage or 2 hours error free for maximum stability.

Edit: Screw BIOS Memtest! shakehead.gif

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bios memtest purely tests the ram, that's why even OCZ still use this utility for testing.

when you go into windows..... any memtest based tool is affected by the processor and overall system stability also, that's why you can pass bios/dos memtest but cannot pass windows memory tester.
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Im using Blend Test to test my RAM stability.

Thanks for the kianwee, soulfly and pcmoddingmy's sugguestion.
I will give it a try. Thanks a lot.

I think the max speed for my Corsair RAM can run is 275MHz only .
last time did a test with my Winchester and can run >8hours no problem but with kinda loose timing. i think is 2.5-4-4-8,1T, 3.2v.
I forgot how im able to do that timing last time.. doh.gif >>>

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Now don't think about RAM first,
test my processor how high can go but with low voltage .. wink.gif
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 30 2005, 07:35 PM)
after you can pass memtest86 #5, try to enter windows. if you cannot stable in windows, you might need to increase your chipset, agp or cpu voltage. or maybe u need to bump your agp speed to 67mhz. no need to alter your vdimm anymore.
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what do you mean by "cannot stable in windows" ? my GH run 235 @ 2-2-2-5 stable in memtest65#5 for more than 13hours and 240 @ 2-2-2-5 for more than 9hours but with 2 errors only. but come to windows, few minute later, the pc automatic reboot, increase the agp voltage or speed will make it stable?
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Everybody is playing TCCD on Athlon64? I'm still playing around with AthlonXP only, hahahaa.

Well, i js got my Corsair TwinX1024-3200XL from Dinster bulk, testing it from the beginning. The RAM is running fine on 2.6V DDR400 @ 2-2-2-10. It's been primed for 60 hours in total.

Now trying DDR410 @ 2-2-2-11 with 2.6V, see how well it can be stressed biggrin.gif

btw, i hope there are AXP users who use TCCD to post the results here smile.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Aug 30 2005, 09:09 PM)
Im using Blend Test to test my RAM stability.

I think the max speed for my Corsair RAM can run is 275MHz only .

last time did a test with my Winchester and can run >8hours no problem but with kinda loose timing. i think is 2.5-4-4-8,1T, 3.2v.

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Try custom setting as it allows u to test the RAM at all time, not switching between CPU and RAM. These are the settings :

FFT : 8K to 4096K
Run in place FFT : UN ticked
RAM Size in used : up to u. I usually set to 64MB or 128MB.
Time : 1 minute.

I usually run for more than 2 days to obtain most stable results. Testing less than 8 hours cant give me high windows uptime as compare to 2 days.

btw, how's yr RAM performing now? Still using high volts or already switch to lower voltage. IMO, it should be able to run at 2.7 - 2.8V @ 275MHz. Good luck dude !

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One reminder to TCCD/TCC5 users, do not stress your RAM with high voltage like 3.3V and above, if not the RAM will lose their efficiency with lower voltage. This matter had been discussed in a few other forums.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Aug 31 2005, 04:07 AM)
Try custom setting as it allows u to test the RAM at all time, not switching between CPU and RAM. These are the settings :

FFT : 8K to 4096K
Run in place FFT : UN ticked
RAM Size in used : up to u. I usually set to 64MB or 128MB.
Time : 1 minute.

I usually run for more than 2 days to obtain most stable results. Testing less than 8 hours cant give me high windows uptime as compare to 2 days.

btw, how's yr RAM performing now? Still using high volts or already switch to lower voltage. IMO, it should be able to run at 2.7 - 2.8V @ 275MHz. Good luck dude !
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oh, mean you recommend custom setting than perset setting to test the RAM is it ? huh.gif

somemore need to run 2days only can say system 100% stable ar ? shocking.gif

i stop test the RAM already. blush.gif
now finding the max HTT my Venice can go . last time need >1.600v only can do 285HTT, after few days burn in, now my Venice able to do 285HTT with 1.525v, although i know is still quite high vcore, but compare last time, still ok la . (using stock fan and divider of coz biggrin.gif ) blush.gif i hope not my board holding me back .

As my fren told me, the 2x512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200 is using TCCD ramchip (default timing is 3-3-3-8), but i think not optimize as those high performance ram lor.. if not that ram can sell at high performance RAM already. smile.gif if im not mistaken the highest MHz i achieve on last time is 2.5-4-4-8, 1T, 3.2v . highest than 275MHz memtest got thousand errors in test5 sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
that time i think all RAM advanced setting i set to default or auto, just change the 1T and Max Async Latency to 7 and Read preable to 5. Didnt test CL3 tongue.gif in fact, i cannot realy remember. tongue.gif

For your information, My 2x512MB Corsair TwinX batch are 0512053-7. mean is year05 week 12 product one . Any comment on it ? biggrin.gif

I having weird problem for my Venice... more detail refer to Venice Overclocking and Discussion Thread

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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Aug 31 2005, 11:51 PM)
somemore need to run 2days only can say system 100% stable ar ?  shocking.gif

As my fren told me, the 2x512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200 is using TCCD ramchip (default timing is 3-3-3-8), but i think not optimize as those high performance ram lor.. if not that ram can sell at high performance RAM already.  smile.gif if im not mistaken the highest MHz i achieve on last time is 2.5-4-4-8, 1T, 3.2v . highest than 275MHz memtest got thousand errors in test5  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif 
that time i think all RAM advanced setting i set to default or auto, just change the 1T and Max Async Latency to 7 and Read preable to 5. Didnt test CL3 tongue.gif in fact, i cannot realy remember.  tongue.gif 

For your information, My 2x512MB Corsair TwinX batch are 0512053-7. mean is year05 week 12 product one . Any comment on it ? biggrin.gif
Usually if my prime passed 2 days, the system is stable for more than 1 month full load. My 2x512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200 can run at 2-2-2-5 by default wor. 2.80V already can reach 255MHz (2.5-3-3-11) with a crappy nforce2 chipset. I dont think u need sucha high voltage la. btw, what motherboard r u using?
My Corsair batch is 0529083-5, dunno isit good or not, hahaha.

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Usually if my prime passed 2 days, the system is stable for more than 1 month full load. My 2x512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200 can run at 2-2-2-5 by default wor. 2.80V already can reach 255MHz (2.5-3-3-11) with a crappy nforce2 chipset. I dont think u need sucha high voltage la. btw, what motherboard r u using?
My Corsair batch is 0529083-5, dunno isit good or not, hahaha.
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blink.gif Wah? One month full load???
Man, you are crazy! tongue.gif

Actually you don't need to stress for 2 days, but you can if you wanted to. Besides, other hardware maybe in risk of getting damage if you stress your system for 2 days or worst if 1 month. And you will end up paying more electrical bills then ever before...

I usually run Windows Memtest for about 2-3 hours to check for stability and continue with some intensive benchmarking such as UT2K4 Primeval, Doom 3 demo1, CSS:VST with Prime95/SP2004 running in the background. If it passed without a hitch, I will test the stability by playing CSS with maximum bots loaded.

Also, remember to face a cooling fan towards the memory modules as TCCD/TCC5 chips tends to get pretty hot during Memtests especially test #5.
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 1 2005, 03:40 AM)
blink.gif Wah? One month full load???
Man, you are crazy! tongue.gif

Actually you don't need to stress for 2 days, but you can if you wanted to. Besides, other hardware maybe in risk of getting damage if you stress your system for 2 days or worst if 1 month. And you will end up paying more electrical bills then ever before...
Yeah, i m damn crazy about stable o/c and uptime tongue.gif

My CPU already passed the 2nd anniversary. In the past 2 years I've been full loading it either with United Devices or prime95. Only able to rest at most 1 week out of 365 days. My DFI Ultra Infinity and Hynix BT-J also been stressed for 1 year, no problem so far. One of my hard disk already 3 year old, and the SATA oso 1 year already. PSU and sound card served me longest - 4 years and 5 years respectively. I think it's a matter of component. If u buy slightly expensive stuff and take care of the system well enough (dun overvolt and overheat), the components should can last quite long.

Oh well, i dont need to worry about electric bill coz staying in hostel for 4.5 years d, tat's y i nv turn off the PC at all, unless doing routine cleaning or need to carry somewhere for presentation.

btw, from my experience, if u can passed 2 days prime full load, yr windows wont gives u headache. If lucky enough , u may not need to format the system for 1 whole year, and the system won't feel laggy biggrin.gif
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Any wrong setting here?
memtest #5 no error so far but once in window try run Prime95 will failed within 1min shocking.gif
How to overcome this ? sad.gif

after follow some guide and suggestion from you guys,
now my TCCD able to run at 270MHz ,2.5-4-3-7, 1T, 2.7v biggrin.gif
last time need 3.0v...

I wonder is it tighter DRAM setting is suitable for TCCD ? huh.gif
I realiased one thing is that, the RAM run more hotter than when i set to 3.2v !!! shocking.gif


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Genic BIOS Setting :
CPU Frequency = 270MHz
Hammer Fid Control = x9
HT Frequency = 3x
HT Width = Up 16 Down 16
PCIE Clock = 100MHz
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet = Disabled
DDR Voltage Contorl = 2.7v
Chp Voltage Contorl = 1.7v
CPU Voltage Control = 1.500v

DRAM Configuration :
Timing Mode = Manual
Memclock Mode = Update
Memclock index value (MHz) = 200MHz CPU:DDR 1:1
Tcl = 2.5
Tras = 7T
Trcd = 4T
Trp = 3T
Trrd = 2T
Trc = 10T
Trfc = 16T
Twr = 2 bus clock
Twtr = 2 bus clock
Trwt = 2 bus clock
Tref = Auto
Twcl = 1 Mem clock after CAS#
DDR Cut Driving = Auto
DDR DQ Drive Strength = Auto
Bottom of 32bit [31:24] IO = E0
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Read Preamble Value = 6ns
Async Latency Value = 8ns
Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter = 256cycle
DRAM Bank Interleaving - Enabled
Burst Length = 8beats
Enable ALL DIMM Clock = Enabled
S/W Memory Hole Remapping = Disabled
H/W Memory Hole Remapping = Disabled
MTRR Mapping Mode = Continuous
DRAM ECC Feature Control = Disabled

Will post my A64 tweaker tonight . smile.gif

FYI, My current spec are :
Processor - AMD64 3000+ Venice E3 (s939)
Mobo : DFI NF4 DAGF (BIOS-801)
RAM : 2x512MB Corsair TwinX XMS PC3200 v1.4
Graphic Card - PCI S3 4M
HDD : WD 40GB 8MB
Optical Drive : ASUS 52x CD-ROM
PSU : OCZ Modstream 520W PSU
Window XP PRO SP2 with all critical updated.

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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Sep 1 2005, 06:47 PM)
Any wrong setting here? 
memtest #5 no error so far but once in window try run Prime95 will failed within 1min  shocking.gif
How to overcome this ?  sad.gif

after follow some guide and suggestion from you guys,
now my TCCD able to run at 270MHz ,2.5-4-3-7, 1T, 2.7v  biggrin.gif
last time need 3.0v...

I wonder is it tighter DRAM setting is suitable for TCCD ?  huh.gif
I realiased one thing is that, the RAM run more hotter than when i set to 3.2v !!!  shocking.gif
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Genic BIOS Setting :
CPU Frequency = 270MHz
Hammer Fid Control = x9 
HT Frequency = 3x
HT Width = Up 16 Down 16
PCIE Clock = 100MHz
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet = Disabled
DDR Voltage Contorl = 2.7v
Chp Voltage Contorl = 1.7v
CPU Voltage Control = 1.500v

DRAM Configuration :
Timing Mode = Manual
Memclock Mode = Update
Memclock index value (MHz) = 200MHz CPU:DDR 1:1
Tcl = 2.5
Tras = 7T
Trcd = 4T
Trp = 3T
Trrd = 2T
Trc = 10T
Trfc = 16T
Twr = 2 bus clock
Twtr = 2 bus clock
Trwt = 2 bus clock
Tref = Auto 
Twcl = 1 Mem clock after CAS#
DDR Cut Driving = Auto
DDR DQ Drive Strength = Auto
Bottom of 32bit [31:24] IO = E0
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Read Preamble Value = 6ns
Async Latency Value = 8ns
Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter = 256cycle
DRAM Bank Interleaving - Enabled
Burst Length = 8beats
Enable ALL DIMM Clock = Enabled
S/W Memory Hole Remapping = Disabled
H/W Memory Hole Remapping = Disabled
MTRR Mapping Mode = Continuous
DRAM ECC Feature Control = Disabled

Will post my A64 tweaker tonight . smile.gif

FYI, My current spec are :
Processor - AMD64 3000+ Venice E3 (s939)
Mobo : DFI NF4 DAGF (BIOS-801)
RAM : 2x512MB Corsair TwinX XMS PC3200 v1.4
Graphic Card - PCI S3 4M
HDD : WD 40GB 8MB
Optical Drive : ASUS 52x CD-ROM
PSU : OCZ Modstream 520W PSU
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I would suggest you to find the max of your CPU and RAM first before overclocking.

Here is a complete guide to do that:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20823

And I would recommend you run test 8 in memtest as well.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Sep 1 2005, 06:53 PM)
I would suggest you to find the max of your CPU and RAM first before overclocking.

Here is a complete guide to do that:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20823

And I would recommend you run test 8 in memtest as well.
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I saw that thread too yesterday,
in fact i have to satisfy with my board, should said cannot expect too much tongue.gif
coz my board is budget mobo only .. sweat.gif

normally i will run full test after 1hours of test#5 and #8 each.
but then i think now suitable me to find max HTT my processor can go first. blush.gif

i expect too much for my RAM la .. haha biggrin.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Wish me luck smile.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Sep 1 2005, 07:04 PM)
I saw that thread too yesterday,
in fact i have to satisfy with my board, should said cannot expect too much tongue.gif
coz my board is budget mobo only ..  sweat.gif

normally i will run full test after 1hours of test#5 and #8 each.
but then i think now suitable me to find max HTT my processor can go first.  blush.gif

i expect too much for my RAM la .. haha  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif

Wish me luck smile.gif
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As long as you can run daily application and games without any hitch, I think you're good to go even though you fail prime. You certainly did not build the system to run Prime, it's just a stability guidance program. Unless you are some perfectionist. laugh.gif
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ahpaul82: Try to keep your CPU clock to the original speed by lowering the multi. Unless you are sure that your CPU can do 270HTT at x9 multi...
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memtest examine RAM stability, but not the motherboard and CPU. Try 2 instances of prime should do the job well. If u don't wanna run 2 days, 6 hours is more than enough for daily usage.
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is kvr with samsung tccd has the same OC potential? 512mb vs 1gb, 512mb will be better in OC?
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i don't think there's any KVR with TCCD chips because TCCD are considered premium chips... not value chips (expensive production cost)
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hmm...my sandy wit tccd oredi run 3day non stop run BT.
running at 2.5-4-3-6 1t@3.0v@321*9 tongue.gif

soulfly:- how abt ur pc uptimes wen running 300fsb, u got blow any fan to the ram? cos my ram d@mn hot, 42'c
this normal or too hot for tccd??
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 9 2005, 08:29 PM)
i don't think there's any KVR with TCCD chips because TCCD are considered premium chips... not value chips (expensive production cost)
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TCCC, i'm not so sure whether it's quite good or not. but the best one i've seen is only around 250mhz, but most of them can do only around 230-240 with loose timings.

you can find TCCC in some KVR and Apacer Value
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guys, my situation is:

able to do 2.5-4-4-8 @ 275 w/ 1t, no error in memtest. smile.gif

but w/ same timing, can't do 300 w/ 1t(millions of errors), 2t gimme bout 150 errors in each loop in test 5. doh.gif

bios everything is set to auto (mem. config), i've tried soulfly's setting but it gimme instant restart. tongue.gif

my setup:
as in siggy, my fc is of tccd chip w/ 2.8~2.9 vdimm. ohmy.gif

any tips from u guys? kakaroto's tccd mem guide (from xtremesystem) doesn't work for me... i know, he's usin ff or le series, while mine is juz fc... sad.gif

is it becoz of mobo limitation? or sumthg wrong w/ my ram (and setting)?

thx for any input guys... notworthy.gif

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ah_khoo..... are you the same one in DFI-Street?
Well, the problem is with the mobo. I was never able to do 1T at 300MHz with 2x512MB kit on the nF3 Ultra-D.
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 15 2005, 03:38 PM)
ah_khoo..... are you the same one in DFI-Street?
Well, the problem is with the mobo. I was never able to do 1T at 300MHz with 2x512MB kit on the nF3 Ultra-D.
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yup bro... thx for d info... notworthy.gif

well, guess i gotta aim for higher htt then... smile.gif

to match d bandwidth 275 @ 1t, i think i need to do 31x-320 @ 2t... now only i know how big d gap is between 1t and 2t... doh.gif

edited: not sure whether this fc can do 31xhtt or not... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 9 2005, 10:52 PM)
TCCC, i'm not so sure whether it's quite good or not. but the best one i've seen is only around 250mhz, but most of them can do only around 230-240 with loose timings.

you can find TCCC in some KVR and Apacer Value
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2T or 1T? i'm interested at getting 1 stick of 1gb kvr tccc from newguy if it's able to run at 1T, my mobo sux at 2 stick of ram doh.gif
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1T of course

anyway... this thread is meant for DDR600 TCCD and TCC5only... so let's back to the topic tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Sanko @ Sep 10 2005, 07:45 PM)
anyone using patriot pdp pc3200 xblk?
mind to share your result?

really hope to see one using those ram.
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got 270 2.5-4-3-5 on my ai7,
tested at neo2 to be bootable at 300 3-4-4,
around 280 or so 2.5-4-4..

forgot all the figures already since i havnt been playing around with my hardware for quite some time..
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i'm doin 311htt @ 2t w/ 2.9v (bios set), but in bios value displayed is 2.96V with my fc. 300htt gime no error nemore. again, everything is auto(for mem. config), thou there're some errors w/ 311htt, but i think it'll be fine after few days of burn in... smile.gif

i'm findin d max freq of my ram 1st, hopefully it can reach 322htt w/o error then i'll ask u guys for help w/ d settings in mem config coz i've no idea to deal with it (too many options)... sweat.gif tongue.gif

hope u guys doin well too... wink.gif

edited:2.5-4-4-8 for all htt...

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it's better to find your limit by running at 1T

.....coz 2T is gay on DFI tongue.gif

the extra memory option is not that hard. first you try to get some settings that has been regularly used by everybody, but make sure the type of mobo and ram that is used is similar to yours. for example u might want to find a setting that is similar to somebody that is using lanparty nf3 ultra-d with TCCD. from there u just test 1 by 1 on the options that different ppl use different values. for the options that most ppl using the same value, just leave it that way.

that's the method that i used to reduce my RAM voltage from 3.2V memtest stable to 2.9V memtest stable, on my TCC5 of course.
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ah_khoo: Better don't burnin your TCCD. Burning in TCCD will screw up the RAM.

I'll say try from 2.7V to 2.8V... 2.9V max on that mobo because it overvolts.

My TCCD can do 300MHz at 2T with no memtest errors but BSODs in Windows. Previously no BSOD or whatsover in Windows at 300Mhz and above.

My previous results doing 323Mhz at 3-4-4-8-2T on 2x512MB TCCD on DFI LP UT NF3 Ultra-D:
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But sadly, I'm not able to do that anymore with my Winne. Changed to Venice and hoped the better mem controller can solve my problem but it did not help me either. Maybe I screwed the RAM by trying to run it at 3.0V doh.gif
OR maybe the mobo is screwed!

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i do not know whteher is this the right thread to ask this or not, but i wud wana get a gig of hi perf rams, i am not sure which type to choose...the GSkill FF or Mushkin XP4000...

I kno GSkill can reach more than DDR600...wif timings bout 2337, but d mushkins instead, can most prob reach bout DDR540++ wif 2225...kinda torned in between these two at the moment...

so wud anybody mind advicing me?
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It depends whether your processor can cope with up to 300mhz DDR or not, unless you can run the DDR with ratio higher than the FSB, which is not possible.
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 19 2005, 11:30 PM)
But sadly, I'm not able to do that anymore with my Winne. Changed to Venice and hoped the better mem controller can solve my problem but it did not help me either. Maybe I screwed the RAM by trying to run it at 3.0V  doh.gif
OR maybe the mobo is screwed!
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juz test my gskill fc, found tat it can't pass memtest #5 @ latency 2-2-2-5.

i'm using 2.73v..
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if you can't pass the actual rating, send it for RMA biggrin.gif
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using default timing, 2.5-4-4-7 is okay...
so, warranty claiming, dunno accept or not...
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QUOTE(Westley @ Sep 20 2005, 11:50 PM)
using default timing, 2.5-4-4-7 is okay...
so, warranty claiming, dunno accept or not...
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buy geil one tccd fsb 220 also can get cl222 ddr 280 cl2.5336 ddr300 2.5447

how about your vini3200 still oc oc ka fry 3g aledy
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QUOTE(kvmcom @ Sep 21 2005, 12:19 AM)
buy geil one tccd fsb 220 also can get cl222 ddr 280 cl2.5336 ddr300 2.5447

how about your vini3200 still oc oc ka fry 3g aledy
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and venice, nice, going 270 @ air cooling, i'm trying to lower the voltage.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 19 2005, 04:27 PM)
ah_khoo

it's better to find your limit by running at 1T

.....coz 2T is gay on DFI tongue.gif

the extra memory option is not that hard. first you try to get some settings that has been regularly used by everybody, but make sure the type of mobo and ram that is used is similar to yours. for example u might want to find a setting that is similar to somebody that is using lanparty nf3 ultra-d with TCCD. from there u just test 1 by 1 on the options that different ppl use different values. for the options that most ppl using the same value, just leave it that way.

that's the method that i used to reduce my RAM voltage from 3.2V memtest stable to 2.9V memtest stable, on my TCC5 of course.
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i wish i can run 1T for htt > 300 too, but seems like it's quite impossible. i've asked some users of 2*512 tccd/5, they're havin d same problem too. i can safely say it's becoz of chipset limitation on nf3 ultra. sad.gif


QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 19 2005, 11:30 PM)
ah_khoo: Better don't burnin your TCCD. Burning in TCCD will screw up the RAM.

I'll say try from 2.7V to 2.8V... 2.9V max on that mobo because it overvolts.

My TCCD can do 300MHz at 2T with no memtest errors but BSODs in Windows. Previously no BSOD or whatsover in Windows at 300Mhz and above.

My previous results doing 323Mhz at 3-4-4-8-2T on 2x512MB TCCD on DFI LP UT NF3 Ultra-D:
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But sadly, I'm not able to do that anymore with my Winne. Changed to Venice and hoped the better mem controller can solve my problem but it did not help me either. Maybe I screwed the RAM by trying to run it at 3.0V  doh.gif
OR maybe the mobo is screwed!
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i hope i didn't screwed up d ram... coz it cos me bout d $$ i've spent on my mobo + processor... sweat.gif

so far 300htt @ 2.5-4-4-8 w/ 2.96V memtest error free but can't complete super pi 32M... doh.gif any idea guy?

my venice confirm no problem runnin 300htt, seems like this ram dun wanna coorperate... cry.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Sep 22 2005, 02:06 AM)
i wish i can run 1T for htt > 300 too, but seems like it's quite impossible. i've asked some users of 2*512 tccd/5, they're havin d same problem too. i can safely say it's becoz of chipset limitation on nf3 ultra.  sad.gif
i hope i didn't screwed up d ram... coz it cos me bout d $$ i've spent on my mobo + processor...  sweat.gif

so far 300htt @ 2.5-4-4-8 w/ 2.96V memtest error free but can't complete super pi 32M...  doh.gif any idea guy?

my venice confirm no problem runnin 300htt, seems like this ram dun wanna coorperate...  cry.gif
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i face same problem...
now trying to rematch it for stability...

should get more stick...

mayb kvmcom's geil tccd better perform?
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Sep 22 2005, 02:06 AM)
i wish i can run 1T for htt > 300 too, but seems like it's quite impossible. i've asked some users of 2*512 tccd/5, they're havin d same problem too. i can safely say it's becoz of chipset limitation on nf3 ultra.  sad.gif
i hope i didn't screwed up d ram... coz it cos me bout d $$ i've spent on my mobo + processor...  sweat.gif

so far 300htt @ 2.5-4-4-8 w/ 2.96V memtest error free but can't complete super pi 32M...  doh.gif any idea guy?

my venice confirm no problem runnin 300htt, seems like this ram dun wanna coorperate...  cry.gif
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I'd say screw Memtest cos its not reliable at all. Run Windows Memtest for stability check instead.

Well, from what I have tested, my previous DFI LP UT nF3 Ultra-D had issues with 2x512MB TCCDs doing 300MHz at 1T, but no issues with 2x256MB at 300MHz - 1T.
Thinking that nF3 limits 1T at 300MHz, I tested the same 2x512MB TCCD on Abit AN8-SLI (nF4) and it gets worst. I'm not sure if the memory is screwed coz now it wont even do 200MHz at 1T on the nF4 setup. It will pass Memtest1.6 at 290Mhz 1T without any errors but BSODs when booting into Windows. sweat.gif

I'm running 2x256MB TCCD at 300MHz - 1T on the AN8-SLI now and with just 2.7VDimm, it passed OCCT and running Windows Memtest at the moment. Looks like this board is also having a tough time eating 2x512MB TCCD sticks shakehead.gif
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memtest86 is not unreliable. it's meant to test purely on ram.

you can pass memtest86 but fail to get into windows because other factor counts... like cpu stability and other components as well
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 22 2005, 09:40 PM)
I'd say screw Memtest cos its not reliable at all. Run Windows Memtest for stability check instead.

Well, from what I have tested, my previous DFI LP UT nF3 Ultra-D had issues with 2x512MB TCCDs doing 300MHz at 1T, but no issues with 2x256MB at 300MHz - 1T.
Thinking that nF3 limits 1T at 300MHz, I tested the same 2x512MB TCCD on Abit AN8-SLI (nF4) and it gets worst. I'm not sure if the memory is screwed coz now it wont even do 200MHz at 1T on the nF4 setup. It will pass Memtest1.6 at 290Mhz 1T without any errors but BSODs when booting into Windows.  sweat.gif

I'm running 2x256MB TCCD at 300MHz - 1T on the AN8-SLI now and with just 2.7VDimm, it passed OCCT and running Windows Memtest at the moment. Looks like this board is also having a tough time eating 2x512MB TCCD sticks  shakehead.gif
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tccd won't do 200htt @ 1T, sounds weird... sweat.gif is there a possible dat it was caused by mobo? blink.gif

i wished i can have those 2*256 tccd module, juz wanna push d cpu + ram to d max... blush.gif

i started to doubt d reliability of memtest coz my venice run fine @ 2.7 with my bh-5 (133 divider, error free), but w/ my fc, no matter how high d vdimm (1:1, error free) still it failed in super pi 32M... doh.gif

gonna dig out d windows based memtest ledi. update u guys if i find sumthg new... tongue.gif

thx for all d input guys, esp raymond n master soulfly... smile.gif

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i dunno, but mine can't do 2-2-2-5 @ 200mhz...

is okay using default spd, now 4 stick go for 250mhz, wif the most relax setting
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Yes, there are some TCCD that cannot do 2-2-2-x 200mhz @1T, because TCCD is actually binned to run at 500mhz

same case with TCC5, which is actually binned at 466mhz, but results showing that more/most TCC5 can do 2-2-2-x 200mhz compare to TCCD
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 23 2005, 10:17 AM)
Yes, there are some TCCD that cannot do 2-2-2-x 200mhz @1T, because TCCD is actually binned to run at 500mhz

same case with TCC5, which is actually binned at 466mhz, but results showing that more/most TCC5 can do 2-2-2-x 200mhz compare to TCCD
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i'm doing a simple test...
and found out tat, tccd perform well @ 2-3-3-X
and may go 220 for tat speed...

now running 250...
still in testing progress...
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my fc onli like 2.5-4-4-x, even 2.5-4-3-x will give thousands of errors, regardless 1t or 2t for htt > 275, never try lower thou... smile.gif

i've tried d windows based memtest juznow, 2.5-4-4-8 @ 300HTT (2T) seems fine, but i need to feed 2.96V for d ram, any lower will give some errors. wink.gif

so d method i've found to burn in ram is:

1. run dos based memtest til' nomore error in all test.

2. run sandra burn in wizard (mem. bandwidth) around 100-200 pass

3. test stability w/ windows based memtest.

how bout u guys? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Sep 23 2005, 07:54 PM)
my fc onli like 2.5-4-4-x, even 2.5-4-3-x will give thousands of errors, regardless 1t or 2t for htt > 275, never try lower thou... smile.gif

i've tried d windows based memtest juznow, 2.5-4-4-8 @ 300HTT (2T) seems fine, but i need to feed 2.96V for d ram, any lower will give some errors. wink.gif

so d method i've found to burn in ram is:

1. run dos based memtest til' nomore error in all test.

2. run sandra burn in wizard (mem. bandwidth) around 100-200 pass

3. test stability w/ windows based memtest.

how bout u guys? tongue.gif
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I run memtest with test #5 until it's fully stable without errors for hours.

Then I start playing with vcore, vchipset and vagp if it's not stable in windows. The method works quite well.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 23 2005, 10:17 AM)
Yes, there are some TCCD that cannot do 2-2-2-x 200mhz @1T, because TCCD is actually binned to run at 500mhz

same case with TCC5, which is actually binned at 466mhz, but results showing that more/most TCC5 can do 2-2-2-x 200mhz compare to TCCD
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Actually TCCD is the most flexible chip ever because it can support low latencies at 200Mhz 1T and super high MHz at looser latencies.

It is quite rare that you will find a TCCD that can't do 2-2-2 at 200Mhz. If you can't do it, it's probably more of a mobo / CPU problem rather than the RAM itself.

Most TCCDs, be it DDR600/DDR550/DDR400, should be SPD programmed at 200MHz 2-2-2.

But I can't confirm this with TCC5 as they are slightly different than TCCD.

Also, try swapping the modules between the slots because they are quite picky.
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TCC5 is actually the same chip of TCCD ... which is the Rev.F

It's just binned at lower speed to reduce manufacturing cost.... but technically, they're the same thing.
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now I'm currently doing 300mhz 2.5-4-3-7-1T with only 2.7Vdimm after some fine tuning on the extra memory settings on DFI... but not totally perfect, got 6 errors for 200loops.

EDIT : with Idle Cycle Clock set to 64 Cycles, currently passing 300loops without any error

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 24 2005, 08:49 PM)
now I'm currently doing 300mhz 2.5-4-3-7-1T with only 2.7Vdimm after some fine tuning on the extra memory settings on DFI... but not totally perfect, got 6 errors for 200loops.

EDIT : with Idle Cycle Clock set to 64 Cycles, currently passing 300loops without any error
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AMD Sempron 64 2800+ "Rev. E6" LBBLE 0527EPAW
DFI LP UT nF3 250Gb (Bios 5/4)
1x 512MB OCZ EL PC-3200 Platinum Rev.2 1.1 (TCC5)

Genie BIOS Settings:

FSB Bus Frequency - 300
AGP Bus Frequency - 66mhz
Clock Spread Spectrum - Disabled
LDT Downstream Width - Auto
LDT Upstream Width - Auto
LDT/FSB Frequency - Auto
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - Auto


CPU VID Control - Auto
CPU VID Special Control - Auto
Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.60v
AGP Voltage Control - 1.50v
DRAM Voltage Control - 2.70v

DRAM Configuration Settings:

DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/10)
Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable
CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 04 Bus Clocks
Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 07 Bus Clocks
Row precharge time (Trp) - 03 Bus Clocks
Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 14 Bus Clocks
Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref) - 4708 Cycles
Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 1
DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled



DQS Skew Control - Increase Skew
DQS Skew Value - 64
DRAM Drive Strength - Level 1
Max Async Latency - 07.0 Nano Seconds
Read Preamble Time - 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit - 64 Cycles
Dynamic Counter - Disable
R/W Queue Bypass - 16x
Bypass Max - 07 x
32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)

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some screenies .....
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 24 2005, 01:16 AM)
Actually TCCD is the most flexible chip ever because it can support low latencies at 200Mhz 1T and super high MHz at looser latencies.

It is quite rare that you will find a TCCD that can't do 2-2-2 at 200Mhz. If you can't do it, it's probably more of a mobo / CPU problem rather than the RAM itself.

Most TCCDs, be it DDR600/DDR550/DDR400, should be SPD programmed at 200MHz 2-2-2.

But I can't confirm this with TCC5 as they are slightly different than TCCD.

Also, try swapping the modules between the slots because they are quite picky.
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an example of TCCD RAM which cant do 2-2-2-X @ DDR 400 wink.gif

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Thanks for the info din.
Yup, a number of Gskill modules will not do 2-2-2 at DDR400 but I've had better luck with TCCD from different manufacturers.
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now trying to run with divider... but unluckily the setting that i used for 1:1 is not applicable sad.gif

actually i'm trying to run at 9/10 (300mhz ram, 338mhz htt) since i know my processor is capable of running at 2.7ghz stable. but seems like the ram need different memory setting. 2.8vdimm also no luck... maybe need 2.9vdimm.

EDITED: result : success

I played around with :
Max Async Latency
Read Preamble Time
IdleCycle Limit

These values should be affected/connected to divider and htt. Then I bump the voltage to 2.8V..... now can get more than 3 hrs memtest stable... and hopefully it's really stable for SuperPi 32M and prime thumbup.gif

will post the screenie and setting afterwards after some more testing.

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bro din, but my problem is, set to 260, the ram will freeze my pc, @ 2.5-4-4-8.
so, possible to rma it?
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RMA is only possible if your RAM does not meet its default SPD rating.
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RMA is only possible if your RAM does not meet its default SPD rating.
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but problems is it freeze my pc when running 250mhz...
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try use memtest86 to check whether it's your ram problem or your setting problem.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 8 2005, 01:02 AM)
try use memtest86 to check whether it's your ram problem or your setting problem.
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checked wif 1 stick of ram, can't oc for d stick which hv problems
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you can only RMA if the stick cannot do what is rated by the manufacturer. if only 1 stick problem... both should be returned (if it's a dual channel kit).
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juz to share sum findouts i get recently:

300HTT @ 2.5-4-4-8 (2T) use 2.87V

280HTT @ 2.5-4-4-8 (1T) use 2.67V

i found dat 2.6V(bios set) is d sweet spot for my FC @ 1T, anyvolt be it higher or lower will give errors in memtest.

W/ 2T setting @ 300HTT or higher, 2.8V is d min.


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have u fine tuned the memory timings?
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i want to ask, normally, TCCD can do 2-2-2-5 at what speed ??
my proc now can only keep up with something about 245MHz.....
it is better for e to get BH or TCCD if i plan to upgrade ??
only using CVS

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yep... smile.gif

tried almost eveything but still no go for 300HTT @ 1T... doh.gif
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i want to ask, normally, TCCD can do 2-2-2-5 at what speed ??
my proc now can only keep up with something about 245MHz.....
it is better for e to get BH or TCCD if i plan to upgrade ??
only using CVS
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around 210-215 @ 2-2-2-5
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QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ Oct 12 2005, 11:19 PM)
i want to ask, normally, TCCD can do 2-2-2-5 at what speed ??
my proc now can only keep up with something about 245MHz.....
it is better for e to get BH or TCCD if i plan to upgrade ??
only using CVS
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your cpu/mobo?

if u're quite sure that your proc is limited to only 245mhz fsb... so BH is a good choice then.
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n00b asking here, might silly question.

can TCCD run 2.5-3-3-7 at high Htt? let say around 250Htt. can arr?
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QUOTE(gengstapo2 @ Oct 13 2005, 02:00 PM)
n00b asking here, might silly question.

can TCCD run 2.5-3-3-7 at high Htt? let say around 250Htt. can arr?
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Yup..... you can probably do up to 275MHz with that timing at 1T.
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QUOTE(gengstapo2 @ Oct 13 2005, 02:00 PM)
n00b asking here, might silly question.

can TCCD run 2.5-3-3-7 at high Htt? let say around 250Htt. can arr?
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250fsb 2.5-3-3-7 no problem for TCCD
275fsb 2.5-3-3-7 not all TCCD can do maybe 2.5-4-3-7 ok


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A lot of TCCD can do 300mhz 2.5-3-3-7 provide that u fine tune the ram and enuff voltage supplied.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 13 2005, 03:35 PM)
A lot of TCCD can do 300mhz 2.5-3-3-7 provide that u fine tune the ram and enuff voltage supplied.
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how much voltage do ur OCZ need to run at 300mhz on 2.5-3-3-7 ?
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my TCC5 does not run 300mhz at 2.5-3-3-7 ... it can only run at 2.5-4-3-7 with 2.7Vdimm only, if the HTT is 300mhz

if using 'divider', it needs 2.8Vdimm
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 13 2005, 06:38 PM)
my TCC5 does not run 300mhz at 2.5-3-3-7 ... it can only run at 2.5-4-3-7 with 2.7Vdimm only, if the HTT is 300mhz

if using 'divider', it needs 2.8Vdimm
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can this statement applied to both TCCD oso?? cool.gif

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yes... coz basically it's the same chip
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yes... coz basically it's the same chip
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do u guys tried the stability of ram usin memtest of windows version? blink.gif

i juz tried it, error free 4 1XXX% but.... when i'm about 2 take d screenshot... i pressed ok then it didn't show d percentage ledi... doh.gif

but atleast now i know 280HTT is the max for my mobo 2 run @ 1T.

guys, do u all mind sharing d genie bios settin dat doin 2.5-4-3-X @ 275ish HTT(1T ofcoz tongue.gif )? Mine can only do 2.4-4-4-X w/ 2.67V. Increament of voltage doesn't help, so i think it's becoz of d alpha timin. smile.gif

thx in adv... hehe... laugh.gif

EDITED: I'll give mine 2ml... 4got 2 brin d detail 2day... blush.gif

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d latest bios(8/24) is almost d same, but it doesn't like venice, works well w/ sandy thou... sad.gif 7/11 (d 1 i'm usin) juz slightly diff... biggrin.gif

juz give it a shot, x harm tryin rite? wink.gif

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EDITED: juz dig dis out from dfi-street... biggrin.gif

Memory Hole for PCI MMIO = Disable
Max Memory Overclock (MHz) = 200
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Cas# Latency (Tcl) = 2.5
Ras# to Cas# Delay (Trcd) = 4
Min Ras# Active Time (Tras) = 8
Row Precharge time (Trp) = 4
Write Recovery Time (Twr) = 1
Ras#-to-Ras# Delay (trrd) = 2
Row Refresh Time (Trfc) = 16
Row Cycle Time (Trc) = 8
Write-to-Read Delay Twtr) = 2
Read-to-Write Delay (Trwt) = 2
Refresh Rate (Tref) = auto
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 7
Read Preamble = 5
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = 0
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive
DDR DQ Drive Strength = 50% Reduction
ECC Function = Disable

*basically juz copy & paste from review by raymond in his fc review... tongue.gif

i found out those in red are quite critical, wrongfully assigned d values will require cmos clearin > d thing i hate most... doh.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 13 2005, 08:49 PM)
d latest bios(8/24) is almost d same, but it doesn't like venice, works well w/ sandy thou...  sad.gif 7/11 (d 1 i'm usin) juz slightly diff...  biggrin.gif

juz give it a shot, x harm tryin rite?  wink.gif

thx soulfly...  notworthy.gif
EDITED: juz dig dis out from dfi-street...  biggrin.gif

Memory Hole for PCI MMIO = Disable
Max Memory Overclock (MHz) = 200
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Cas# Latency (Tcl) = 2.5
Ras# to Cas# Delay (Trcd) = 4
Min Ras# Active Time (Tras) = 8
Row Precharge time (Trp) = 4
Write Recovery Time (Twr) = 1
Ras#-to-Ras# Delay (trrd) = 2
Row Refresh Time (Trfc) = 16
Row Cycle Time (Trc) = 8
Write-to-Read Delay Twtr) = 2
Read-to-Write Delay (Trwt) = 2
Refresh Rate (Tref) = auto
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 7
Read Preamble = 5
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = 0
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive
DDR DQ Drive Strength = 50% Reduction
ECC Function = Disable

*basically juz copy & paste from review by raymond in his fc review...  tongue.gif

i found out those in red are quite critical, wrongfully assigned d values will require cmos clearin > d thing i hate most...  doh.gif
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Yup, those are very critical timings for TCCD. However, make sure you check using A64 Tweaker as the timings might change when you're in windows.

But anyways, it still doesn't help to run a pair of 2x512MB TCCD at 300MHz / 1T using that nF3 U-D mobo sweat.gif
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I suggest that you loosen some values such as

Twr = 3
Trrd = 3
Trc = 7/12
Trfc = 14/16
Twtr = 2
Trwt = 3
Tref = 4078
Twcl = Auto/1
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 8
Read Preamble = 5.0/5.5/6.0
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = disable
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive


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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Oct 15 2005, 10:14 AM)
Yup, those are very critical timings for TCCD. However, make sure you check using A64 Tweaker as the timings might change when you're in windows.

But anyways, it still doesn't help to run a pair of 2x512MB TCCD at 300MHz / 1T using that nF3 U-D mobo  sweat.gif
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yup, still no go for 2*512MB to do 300HTT@1T... sad.gif

QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 15 2005, 11:12 AM)
I suggest that you loosen some values such as

Twr = 3
Trrd = 3
Trc = 7/12
Trfc = 14/16
Twtr = 2
Trwt = 3
Tref = 4078
Twcl = Auto/1
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 8
Read Preamble = 5.0/5.5/6.0
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = disable
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive
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thanks... smile.gif

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guys, is there anything wrong with my bios settings ?

it's for my Gskill LE PC4400 TCCD...

prime large FFT will fail after 1 hour.....

Windows Memtest also got errors....... sad.gif

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damn, need confirmation here..

can memtest(BIOS version) determind those faulty RAm(tccd)?
how to make fast checking upon the faulty RAM(tccd)?
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QUOTE(dinster @ Oct 21 2005, 06:11 AM)
guys, is there anything wrong with my bios settings ?

it's for my Gskill LE PC4400 TCCD...

prime large FFT will fail after 1 hour.....

Windows Memtest also got errors....... sad.gif

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try this....

Trc = 12
Trfc = 16
Twr = 2
Twtr = 2
Trwt = 2
Tref = 4078
Twcl = 1

Read preamble = 5ns
Async lantecy = 7ns

But I guess... it's pretty much the same like other common DFI nF4/TCCD settings

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QUOTE(gengstapo2 @ Oct 21 2005, 08:33 AM)
damn, need confirmation here..

can memtest(BIOS version) determind those faulty RAm(tccd)?
how to make fast checking upon the faulty RAM(tccd)?
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Can.... even OCZ use dos memtest.


1. Set you RAM at manufacturer rated speed, not overclocked setting. Also make sure you are using manufacturer recommended voltage setting. Other extra memory options leave at auto.
2. Go to Memtest86
3. Run test #5 for at least 500 loops
4. If no error, proceed to whole test for 6 hours at least.
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Which memory chip for DDR RAM should we avoid if we are planning to OC??
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Can.... even OCZ use dos memtest.
1. Set you RAM at manufacturer rated speed, not overclocked setting. Also make sure you are using manufacturer recommended voltage setting. Other extra memory options leave at auto.
2. Go to Memtest86
3. Run test #5 for at least 500 loops
4. If no error, proceed to whole test for 6 hours at least.
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ehh prend, if i put the extra setting to AUTO, it cant even boot.
do i need to try it at other standard board; let say such intel board wif no OC option??
sure all setting for those board r standard wan.
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QUOTE(gengstapo2 @ Oct 22 2005, 11:55 AM)
ehh prend, if i put the extra setting to AUTO, it cant even boot.
do i need to try it at other standard board; let say such intel board wif no OC option??
sure all setting for those board r standard wan.
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voltage used? i noticed that @ 1T, tccd doesn't like too much voltage between 250~280HTT, mine like 2.6V, thou manufactured recommended voltage is 2.7~2.9V. wink.gif

dunno much bout nf4 ultra, but i guess it's less picky (on ram) than nf3 ultra in general... smile.gif

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hmr.....juz wana ask a simple question....would TCCD perform well on Intel too? coz mostly i see is AMD...
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TCCD will work well on AMD 64 platform only. Intel motherboard lacks the required memory timings (tref,twcl,twr...) to get the TCCD modules working at high speeds.

If you plan to get TCCD and overclock up to 250MHz, I guess Intel motherboard should be able to take it... and maybe up to 275MHz. But surely it will be almost impossible to do 300MHz on Intel platform.
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it lacks the most important - drive strength wink.gif
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it lacks the most important - drive strength wink.gif
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depends on modules...

generally weak
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 21 2005, 05:35 PM)
Can.... even OCZ use dos memtest.
1. Set you RAM at manufacturer rated speed, not overclocked setting. Also make sure you are using manufacturer recommended voltage setting. Other extra memory options leave at auto.
2. Go to Memtest86
3. Run test #5 for at least 500 loops
4. If no error, proceed to whole test for 6 hours at least.
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what would we need to set and test if some ram rated wif high speed, e.g. PC4000...

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same method and ram at default timing
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Nov 1 2005, 08:43 PM)
same method and ram at default timing
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i mean the speed, should i oc to 250 for testing?
or juz go 200
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you mean your ram got 2 rated spd?

go for the highest one
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juz test, my tccd can run 245htt only @ 2.83v stable in windows...
trying to run 250htt, but memtest86+ test 8 freeze.
tat's why i wondering...

memtest86+ can pass using even 2.7v but can't enter windows.
getting BSOD.
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QUOTE(Westley @ Nov 4 2005, 10:15 PM)
juz test, my tccd can run 245htt only @ 2.83v stable in windows...
trying to run 250htt, but memtest86+ test 8 freeze.
tat's why i wondering...

memtest86+ can pass using even 2.7v but can't enter windows.
getting BSOD.
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r u on divider bro? try to run w/ 2.8V 1st, burn usin memtest of windows version for a day or 2, then try w/ 2.6~2.7V, i faced d samething last time too... smile.gif
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maybe memory controller issue....

because different cpu will react differently

my TCC5 does DDR600 only with 2.9Vdimm on my Palermo D0 with fsb:ram at 1:1, while on my Palermo E6, it needed only 2.7Vdimm with the same divider.
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nice reply from u all.
thx for the exist of this thread.
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forgot dat u have a 3200+ bro, so no divider needed. tongue.gif

juz burn it for a day or 2 as per mentioned previously, it works for me... smile.gif
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QUOTE(dinster @ Oct 21 2005, 06:11 AM)
guys, is there anything wrong with my bios settings ?

it's for my Gskill LE PC4400 TCCD...

prime large FFT will fail after 1 hour.....

Windows Memtest also got errors....... sad.gif

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lack of DDR Voltage maybe...crank up to 2.8 or 2.9 lar bruddar....2.6 is for sissies...
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QUOTE(antonio_zth @ Nov 10 2005, 10:55 AM)
lack of DDR Voltage maybe...crank up to 2.8 or 2.9 lar bruddar....2.6 is for sissies...
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i think he need a 2.75v for burn-in 1st...
or even some need 2.8v
mine need a 2.8v to burn-in before i can go for lower voltage.
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Burn in TCCD?
I dont think its a good idea... TCCD will not work well after burning in, chances are less.

2.7 to 2.8 is sweet spot for TCCD. If its not stable, don't increase the voltage. I've been playing with TCCD before and gave it 2.9 to 3.0V. After such high VDIMM, the RAM will not be stable at low voltages anymore.
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Nov 12 2005, 01:24 AM)
Burn in TCCD?
I dont think its a good idea... TCCD will not work well after burning in, chances are less.

2.7 to 2.8 is sweet spot for TCCD. If its not stable, don't increase the voltage. I've been playing with TCCD before and gave it 2.9 to 3.0V. After such high VDIMM, the RAM will not be stable at low voltages anymore.
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TCCD loves weak drive strength.
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QUOTE(babyelf @ Oct 25 2005, 11:44 PM)
depends on modules...

generally weak
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ok.. wat shall it be??
weak : L1, L2, L3??

note : L=level
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seems like i'm hving wrong channel...
well, i mean set the voltage to 2.75v or if dun hv 2.75, set to 2.8v to make it run...
most of the time 2.75v is the best...
but if can't get 2.75 i think go for 2.7v and start stressing the ram...
what i hv found out is even 2.8v will make some tccd slowly lost their ability, and having some weird problem like cl2.5 not working...

as far i hv found out is, samsung only recommend 2.6v for all tccd...
no matter what is written in warranty, 2.7v~2.9v.
and it is advisable to hv an active cooling for tccd...
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juz found out a new problems, plugged in 4 stick of tccd, gskill fc...
can't run stable using 2.7, but if running 1 pair(2stick) for dual channel, it is okay...
and i hv prove tat the 2 pair of ram i buy are fine...
currently i'm testing wif my gigabyte board, and also the same.
so, my 2.8v stable for 4 stick is nothing related wif bad tccd, juz two pair not match.
weird isn't it???
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QUOTE(Westley @ Nov 14 2005, 04:34 PM)
juz found out a new problems, plugged in 4 stick of tccd, gskill fc...
can't run stable using 2.7, but if running 1 pair(2stick) for dual channel, it is okay...
and i hv prove tat the 2 pair of ram i buy are fine...
currently i'm testing wif my gigabyte board, and also the same.
so, my 2.8v stable for 4 stick is nothing related wif bad tccd, juz two pair not match.
weird isn't it???
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Actually the RAMs are OK, i guess. It your processor (mem controller) that is hitting the wall.
Try setting to 2T and you will have better stability. Or, get another processor (E6, FX or Opteron).
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Nov 15 2005, 01:43 AM)
Actually the RAMs are OK, i guess. It your processor (mem controller) that is hitting the wall.
Try setting to 2T and you will have better stability. Or, get another processor (E6, FX or Opteron).
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gigabyte running 2T as always...
memcontroller can't support...
even running 200htt...
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Nov 15 2005, 01:43 AM)
Actually the RAMs are OK, i guess. It your processor (mem controller) that is hitting the wall.
Try setting to 2T and you will have better stability. Or, get another processor (E6, FX or Opteron).
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gigabyte running 2T as always...
memcontroller can't support...
even running 200htt...
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Oct 25 2005, 03:00 PM)
TCCD will work well on AMD 64 platform only. Intel motherboard lacks the required memory timings (tref,twcl,twr...) to get the TCCD modules working at high speeds.

If you plan to get TCCD and overclock up to 250MHz, I guess Intel motherboard should be able to take it... and maybe up to 275MHz. But surely it will be almost impossible to do 300MHz on Intel platform.
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well...still TCCD wud be suitable for Intel compared to UTT....besides ol skool BH5 that is...

hav a pair of TEAM DDR600 TCCD coming soon....my BH5 juz KOed...i know i wont reach DDr600 with Intel... tongue.gif coz my proc oso canot go dat far! hehe....can reach DDR550 super happy ledi!! still most prob proc limiting.. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Mowgli @ Nov 21 2005, 06:56 PM)
well...still TCCD wud be suitable for Intel compared to UTT....besides ol skool BH5 that is...

hav a pair of TEAM DDR600 TCCD coming soon....my BH5 juz KOed...i know i wont reach DDr600 with Intel... tongue.gif coz my proc oso canot go dat far! hehe....can reach DDR550 super happy ledi!! still most prob proc limiting.. wink.gif
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Sorry for OT tongue.gif

y don't u try d43? i noticed that sum of 'em are capable of doin DDR550, some even reach 280FSB w/ 3-4-4-8... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Nov 21 2005, 10:11 PM)
Sorry for OT  tongue.gif

y don't u try d43? i noticed that sum of 'em are capable of doin DDR550, some even reach 280FSB w/ 3-4-4-8...  smile.gif
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SOME...not guaranteed... tongue.gif i prefer assurance...coz i dont hav much money to change here n there...TCCD most prob capable of DDR550 @ 2.5337...which IMO, is better... tongue.gif

thanx 4 ur opinion tho...
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QUOTE(Mowgli @ Nov 21 2005, 10:30 PM)
SOME...not guaranteed... tongue.gif i prefer assurance...coz i dont hav much money to change here n there...TCCD most prob capable of DDR550 @ 2.5337...which IMO, is better... tongue.gif

thanx 4 ur opinion tho...
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single sided d43 most likely can. not all tccd can assure u DDR550 @ 2.5-3-3-7 i would say. 2.5-4-3-X, yes. smile.gif

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can someone help me on ram timings for optimal OC for my tccd??

my specs:
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Corsair XMS4404v1.1 TCCD 512x2

my venice has reached 2.8ghz prime stable 24hours before....now on new board....so i wanna know wat kinda timings i need to achieve at least 300htt??
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can someone help me on ram timings for optimal OC for my tccd??

my specs:
AMD64 3000+ Venice
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Corsair XMS4404v1.1 TCCD 512x2

my venice has reached 2.8ghz prime stable 24hours before....now on new board....so i wanna know wat kinda timings i need to achieve at least 300htt??
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I would say try 2.5-4-4-8 and tune from there. I have a pair of OCZ Rev2 TCCD that can do 2.5-3-3-6. It also depends on your mem controller too.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 1 2005, 12:09 AM)
I would say try 2.5-4-4-8 and tune from there. I have a pair of OCZ Rev2 TCCD that can do 2.5-3-3-6. It also depends on your mem controller too.
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can someone help me on ram timings for optimal OC for my tccd??

my specs:
AMD64 3000+ Venice
Abit AN8-SLi
Corsair XMS4404v1.1 TCCD 512x2

my venice has reached 2.8ghz prime stable 24hours before....now on new board....so i wanna know wat kinda timings i need to achieve at least 300htt??
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see, i tell u ady.. now running at 280HTT arr?? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Dec 1 2005, 10:38 AM)
see, i tell u ady.. now running at 280HTT arr??  thumbup.gif
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no la...still cant hit above 250htt la....

2.8ghz was my previous time...when i use to have the same rams n use neo2 platinum la...now cannot la..
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Update to BIOS 18 or 19.
Use the closest DIMM slots near your proc (black coloured slots).
Drop CPU multi to 8 or 7. Because your proc may not OC as high as it did before. Anyways, lets get the ram to clock higher. Later you can tweak the proc.
Set LTD to 3.
VDIMM: 2.7-2.8 | nF4: 1.7 | HT: 1.35
Try the following DRAM timings:
2.5-11-14-4-4-8-4-3-2-4-1T-4 beats-Enabled
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vickyrao:
Update to BIOS 18 or 19.
Use the closest DIMM slots near your proc (black coloured slots).
Drop CPU multi to  8 or 7. Because your proc may not OC as high as it did before. Anyways, lets get the ram to clock higher. Later you can tweak the proc.
Set LTD to 3.
VDIMM: 2.7-2.8 | nF4: 1.7 | HT: 1.35
Try the following DRAM timings:
2.5-11-14-4-4-8-4-3-2-4-1T-4 beats-Enabled
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ill try it tomolo as soon as i get home...cos now me at work....working at nite...didnt see ur reply this afternoon...hehehe....ill try n then ill post the results here.....btw the settins u gave me is for an8-sli rite??mine not fatality ok...

mine now running on BIOS 19...i am using the slots closest to my proc....which is dimm 1 & 2.

y u say i might not be able to clock as high as before??why is dat bro??? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(vickyrao @ Dec 1 2005, 11:48 PM)
ill try it tomolo as soon as i get home...cos now me at work....working at nite...didnt see ur reply this afternoon...hehehe....ill try n then ill post the results here.....btw the settins u gave me is for an8-sli rite??mine not fatality ok...

mine now running on BIOS 19...i am using the slots closest to my proc....which is dimm 1 & 2.

y u say i might not be able to clock as high as before??why is dat bro??? sweat.gif
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Bro, both Fatal1ty AN8 SLI and vanila AN8 SLI are the SAME. In fact, both use the same BIOS and I even got my AN8 SLI with Fatal1ty driver disk! tongue.gif (You can buy the Guru Panel for your AN8 SLI too)...

You might not be able to clock higher as before coz its different mobo. Each mobo has different overclocking capabilities. I managed to do 2.7GHz (Venice) on my nF3 Ultra-D before but its only stable up to 2.6GHz on the AN8 SLI. I can boot at 2.7GHz on AN8 SLI but its not prime stable. Also, Abit told me that AN8 SLI is not very "ngam" with Venice.

You can check out my review of AN8 SLI HERE

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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Dec 3 2005, 02:43 PM)
Bro, both Fatal1ty AN8 SLI and vanila AN8 SLI are the SAME. In fact, both use the same BIOS and I even got my AN8 SLI with Fatal1ty driver disk! tongue.gif (You can buy the Guru Panel for your AN8 SLI too)...

You might not be able to clock higher as before coz its different mobo. Each mobo has different overclocking capabilities. I managed to do 2.7GHz (Venice) on my nF3 Ultra-D before but its only stable up to 2.6GHz on the AN8 SLI. I can boot at 2.7GHz on AN8 SLI but its not prime stable. Also, Abit told me that AN8 SLI is not very "ngam" with Venice.

You can check out my review of AN8 SLI HERE
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my tccd...stable in ddr600 2.5-4-4-7 2-2-1-2 1T 2.8vol
tref :any

DRAM Drive Strength : 5 or any
DRAM Data Strength : 1 or any
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : fast
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 16 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : enable
R/W Queue Bypass : 16x
Bypass Max : 07x



ddr600 2.5-4-3-7 2/3-2/3-2-2/3 1T 2.9vol

tref:i try almost all adi in diffrent drive n data strenght
DRAM Drive Strength : 5
DRAM Data Strength : 1
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : normal
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 256 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : disable
R/W Queue Bypass : 08x
Bypass Max : 04x

but got few error in fifth test ~40% ..got >35 error in memtest...after fifth test..then no more adi...
+today..two day n nite i keeping testing adi...endup error..headache... unsure.gif sad.gif

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QUOTE(kbs@o!!! @ Dec 7 2005, 03:09 AM)
my tccd...stable in ddr600 2.5-4-4-7 2-2-1-2 1T 2.8vol
tref :any

DRAM Drive Strength : 5 or any
DRAM Data Strength : 1 or any
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : fast
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 16 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : enable
R/W Queue Bypass : 16x
Bypass Max : 07x
ddr600 2.5-4-3-7  2/3-2/3-2-2/3 1T 2.9vol

tref:i try almost all adi in diffrent drive n data strenght
DRAM Drive Strength : 5
DRAM Data Strength : 1
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : normal
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 256 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : disable
R/W Queue Bypass : 08x
Bypass Max : 04x

but got few error in fifth test ~40% ..got >35 error in memtest...after fifth test..then no more adi...
+today..two day n nite i keeping testing adi...endup error..headache...  unsure.gif  sad.gif
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m.a = 8
r.p = 5.5 or 6
idle cycle limit = 0

i miss me tccd ledi... blush.gif



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need to ask all sifu2 here... i oc'ed my gskill fx reach to 290, window memtest pass 200%coverage, super pi 1m & 8M pass... but fail 32m.. is it ok to use?

vdimm 2.65 - timing 2.5-4-3-5
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QUOTE(mnemonic_80 @ Dec 10 2005, 01:10 PM)
need to ask all sifu2 here... i oc'ed my gskill fx reach to 290, window memtest pass 200%coverage, super pi 1m & 8M pass... but fail 32m.. is it ok to use?

vdimm 2.65 - timing 2.5-4-3-5
vcore 1.55
MSI K8N Neo4-F
Venice 3000+ @ 2.61GHz
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increase vdimm mite help help... smile.gif

nope, if failed in 32M most like isn't really stable. wink.gif

do post ya DRAM settings too... biggrin.gif
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my DRAM settings.. how much vdimm i need to increase? 2.7? cz the standard gskill fx vdimm 2.7 - 2.8... thanx notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(mnemonic_80 @ Dec 10 2005, 01:25 PM)
my DRAM settings.. how much vdimm i need to increase? 2.7? cz the standard gskill fx vdimm 2.7 - 2.8... thanx  notworthy.gif
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Trp = 4

try to loosen Trc, Trfc and Tras aswell. Generally ya timing is too tight I can say... smile.gif
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ok.. i'll try loosen the timing n try super pi 32m again... will post the result in an hour... thanx notworthy.gif

hoooraayyy... i increase the vdimm to 2.70v.. Super PI 32M pass at last thumbup.gif ...
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hoooraayyy... i increase the vdimm to 2.70v.. Super PI 32M pass at last thumbup.gif ...
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Finally owned a DFI NF4 SLI-D, although a bit late tongue.gif blush.gif tongue.gif

using 2 x 512MB Corsair XMS3200 v1.4

should i go further? biggrin.gif

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Sorry , Noob question.

I'm looking for a TCCD 1GB Kit to do benchmarks sometime after CNY. Are there any particular Brand / Revisions to lookout for , those which perform better or worse ?

Thanks in advanced notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Holi^oNe @ Jan 17 2006, 01:49 AM)
Sorry , Noob question.

I'm looking for a TCCD 1GB Kit to do benchmarks sometime after CNY. Are there any particular Brand / Revisions to lookout for , those which perform better or worse ?

Thanks in advanced notworthy.gif
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67762

TCCD? for 512mb stick it's obviously the best. Getting to DDR600 is simple. But for 1GB sticks, there is one clear winner in "Crucial Ballistix Z503 - Micron -5B D". Look at the link above and see it for yourself.

Mind you, DDR600 for 1GB sticks is very rare, those results in database represents tiny population sample. But average figure might be something in between DDR520-DDR570.

I don't know about the price though, but I'm guessing that it's significantly higher than 1GB Gskill sticks.
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price range is about ~ 1400 for the ballistix.. tracers will cost much more..

u'll need the right motherboard with the right cpu to be able to reach those type of speeds.. in the 2GB arena hands down to the ballistix.. they get the tag [No.1] in the price war too lol..

anyway back on topic.. u pay for what you get.. that's how it is..

i'll be testing a kit of TCCD .. week 519.. i'll post some results on it soon.. brought my best TCCD memory controller CPU back with me tongue.gif
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RM1.4K blink.gif . Much cheaper to get a D43 / D5 which can do around 275+/- at slighty looser timings isn't it ?.

Anyway I was refering to 512x2 1GB Kits for TCCD . Which Brands/Revisions are the best ?
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D43 and D5 won't do very well in 1GB modules.. hehe.. i checked..
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QUOTE(Holi^oNe @ Jan 17 2006, 03:03 AM)
RM1.4K  blink.gif . Much cheaper to get a D43 / D5 which can do around 275+/- at slighty looser timings isn't it ?.

Anyway I was refering to 512x2 1GB Kits for TCCD . Which Brands/Revisions are the best ?
Team Xtreme is worth the money, price lower than other brands
OCZ is quite good too, plus their customer support is great
Nevertheless, G-Skill has one of the best
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jan 17 2006, 11:48 AM)
Team Xtreme is worth the money, price lower than other brands
OCZ is quite good too, plus their customer support is great
Nevertheless, G-Skill has one of the best
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just bought 1 and trying to oc it.. thumbup.gif

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Alright , seriously considering the Team Xtreme TCCD's due to budget constraints. Thanks guys ~! notworthy.gif.
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QUOTE(Holi^oNe @ Jan 18 2006, 10:04 AM)
Alright , seriously considering the Team Xtreme TCCD's due to budget constraints. Thanks guys ~! notworthy.gif.
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i think babyelf is doing the 3rd bulk regarding this ram.
pm him for more info. smile.gif
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Can anyone explain to me why memtest #7 can failed but passed through #5 and #8 ? unsure.gif

anyone ? unsure.gif
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Can anyone explain to me why memtest #7 can failed but passed through #5 and #8 ? unsure.gif

anyone ? unsure.gif
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Ram overheating perhaps? Try active cooling instead of passive.

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthrea...?t=16822&page=2
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I just grab a TCCC this afternoon. Anyone use this before? I still blur bout the setting for this ram.
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TCCC can do 250...
and UCCC is the lead free version of TCCC
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QUOTE(Westley @ Jan 20 2006, 05:08 PM)
TCCC can do 250...
and UCCC is the lead free version of TCCC
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rm105?
so cheap?
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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Jan 20 2006, 02:39 PM)
Ram overheating perhaps? Try active cooling instead of passive.

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthrea...?t=16822&page=2
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I saw that thread too,
but wonder TCCD can overheated so easily ?
vdimm only 2.8v. huh.gif
havent tested in Window yet.
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certain chips gets very hot even at 2.8v tongue.gif

you should have a look at micron chips tongue.gif bloody hot at 2.8v
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Here is my RAM setting.. is that okie?
FYI, i am using ABIT AN8 Fatality
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not bad, but should do more than just 250mhz ... try push to 300mhz instead.

and try use:

Trc = 7
Bypass Max = 7x
Idle Cycle Limit = 16 clks
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guys i've got prob o/c higher with tccd.. the max i can go is 262 HTT.. even at that setting i can't complete stressprime 2004 but i can pass 32m of super-pi.. going higher than that will hang my pc..

btw, it's team xtreem ddr600 tccd..
here's a screenshot of my settings :

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what motherboard are u using?

if DFI, try use Tref 4708 (from the BIOS). I forgot the value in A64Tweaker.

Other than that, try Max Async Latency=8 and Drive Strength=Weak
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i'm using nf4 ultra-d.. tried your settings.. still failed 2 boot at 270 htt.. it's even not stable at 265..
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your LDT multi?
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i've set 2 auto.. tried x5 and x3 but still no luck..
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try trc = 8, m.a = 8, r.p = 6 smile.gif

ldt multi = 3 is way to go imo... biggrin.gif
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Im curious u ppl out there using wat voltage for the TEam XTREEM DDR600Mhz.i cant push any higher than 290Mhz...else stability issue will occur

I onli manage to push to 280MHZ 2.5-4-4-x...

izit my specs problem?

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can you put your bios setting (advanced memory timing) here?

from there we will know

State your.....

Genie BIOS Settings:

FSB Bus Frequency
AGP Bus Frequency
Clock Spread Spectrum
LDT Downstream Width
LDT Upstream Width
LDT/FSB Frequency
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio


CPU VID Control
CPU VID Special Control
LDT Voltage Control
Chip Set Voltage Control
AGP Voltage Control
DRAM Voltage Control

DRAM Configuration Settings:

DRAM Frequency Set

Command Per Clock (CPC)
CAS Latency Control (Tcl)
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd)
Min RAS# active time (Tras)
Row precharge time (Trp)
Row Cycle time (Trc)
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc)
Row to Row delay (Trrd)
Write recovery time (Twr)
Write to Read delay (Twtr)
Read to Write delay (Trwt)
Refresh Period (Tref)
Write CAS Latency (Twcl)
DRAM Bank Interleave


DQS Skew Control
DQS Skew Value
DRAM Drive Strength
DRAM Data Drive Strength
Max Async Latency
Read Preamble Time
IdleCycle Limit
Dynamic Counter
R/W Queue Bypass
Bypass Max
32 Byte Granularity

??

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SHOfrE3zE, ur vdimm?

try Max Async = 8
idle cycle limit = 256 clks

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I recently got a pair of Team Xtreem TCCD's DDR550's.

Initially I had some trouble hitting the rated timings of 2.5-4-3-7 @ 275mhz with 2.7v - 2.93v. After testing numerous Bioses and settings. I finally tried using 2.63v with the RAM and they are amazing. However, I have noticed something of a problem with them also.

I have managed to hit DDR600 running 1:1 with 2.63v at the following timings. Results tested to pass SuperPi 32M and also 2 hours loop of 3Dmark2001 Test 3 "Lobby".

2.5-4-4-8
2.5-4-3-7
2.5-4-3-5

I have been running active cooling all the while using a single 8cm case fan directly above the pair of RAM. The problem is , whenever I remove the active cooling and let it cool passively , the RAM's will not pass even 2 iterations of Pi 32M and stability issues will occur. I find it hard to believe that @ 2.64v there is a MUST for active cooling for this pair of TCCD's.

Can anyone out there give me some feedback regarding this ? Overheating under such low voltages is a first for me.

BTW , my setup is something like this :

AMD Opteron 144 @ 1.5v
DFI Lanparty SLi-DR (Bios 702-3)
remaining is on my signature.


Any feedback to this issue will be greatly appreciated.
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im in ur boat too
altho im uing uccc, at 2.6v i already need active cooling
the heatspreader is damn hot..
cant imagine how hot it is at 2.8v
btw, using allngap's ram cooler

so, even at 2.6v, a cooler may help
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from wat i know, TCCD runs hot even with low voltage @ high frequency... smile.gif
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yup.... the higher the frequency, the hotter it became, even with only 2.8V
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whats the limit voltage for tccd?can if we run 3.0v for ocz platinum elite edition ddr600. smile.gif
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2.9V is good enough. 3.0V will only make your chips hotter with no more mhz gains.

TCCD can fly high with low Vdimm provide that you are able to cool them.
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Anybody, what is your limit frequency (mhz) for ddr600
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one more think when i set 2.5-4-4-10 for 300mhz frequency (my ram ddr600 ocz elite edition) but in bios show ddr400,not ddr600.why?anyone know? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Mar 25 2006, 12:27 PM)
one more think when i set 2.5-4-4-10 for 300mhz frequency (my ram ddr600 ocz elite edition) but in bios show ddr400,not ddr600.why?anyone know? biggrin.gif
you need to check your DRAM divider setting. if it's 03/2, of course you will get DDR400 if you set the HTT speed to 300MHz.

basic overclocking.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 25 2006, 03:12 PM)
you need to check your DRAM divider setting. if it's 03/2, of course you will get DDR400 if you set the HTT speed to 300MHz.

basic overclocking.
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my divider 1:1
i have check it already. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Mar 25 2006, 06:59 PM)
my divider 1:1
i have check it already. smile.gif
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what the highest mhz u can get with ur TCCD?

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QUOTE(kulus @ Mar 30 2006, 11:05 AM)
what the highest mhz u can get with ur TCCD?
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highest 320mhzx8 because my proccesor hit the wall sad.gif
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pretty nice result..but the price tag for ur TCCD.... sweat.gif
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Here almost ppl are using AMD with TCCD/TCC5.Nobody here using Intel proc to o/c with these type rams?Really very hard to serch for them.Wish to know are these RAMs doing well in intel platform or not.
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simply because you wont be able to fully utilize TCCD/TCC5 on Intel

you get amazing DDR speeds on AMD64 with TCCD/TCC5
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 31 2006, 07:01 PM)
simply because you wont be able to fully utilize TCCD/TCC5 on Intel

you get amazing DDR speeds on AMD64 with TCCD/TCC5
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what do u mean by "wont be able to fully utilize TCCD/TCC5 on Intel"

sorry..noob sweat.gif
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intel's memory controller limitation
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 3 2006, 04:46 PM)
intel's memory controller limitation
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ermm..thats is any major diff between TCCD & TCC5?
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there are 2 types of TCC5 ... the old one and the new one.

the old one was RevD or RevE.... I forgot already. ..... but the newer one (which is also phased out) was RevF .... which is the same as TCCD

TCC5 Rev.F = TCCD

but TCCD was binned at 466mhz while TCCD is binned at 500mhz.... just to reduce manufacturing cost
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hi pro out there newbie here.. just got a TCCD chip ram... but it isn't from any branded... hehe is the AIR .... just woundering that my setting now is 2.5-3-3-8@2T with 218*11 XP-M 2600 just woundering wat can i tweak with..??

DFI NF2 mobo...
T(RAS) = 8
T(RCD-READ) = 3
T(RCD-WRITE) =3
T(RP) = 3
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T(RC) = 13
T(RFC) = 15
T(DOE) = AUTO
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T(W2P) = AUTO
T(W2R) = AUTO
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DIMMI 1 DRIVING SLEW RATE = AUTO
DIMMI 2 DRIVING STRENGTH = AUTO
DIMMI 2 DRIVING SLEW RATE = AUTO
DIMMI 3 DRIVING STRENGTH = AUTO
DIMMI 3 DRIVING SLEW RATE = AUTO

ermmm seem like too many things for dfi mobo... aiks.... sorry for trouble....
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my G.Skill PC4400 F1-4400DSU2-1GBFC with TCC5 can push to 310 at 2.5-4-4-7..izzit this can consider good for TCC5?
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 9 2006, 03:17 AM)
my G.Skill PC4400 F1-4400DSU2-1GBFC with TCC5 can push to 310 at 2.5-4-4-7..izzit this can consider good for TCC5?
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and forgot to mentiond earlier..310 @ 1T thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 9 2006, 11:53 AM)
and forgot to mentiond earlier..310 @ 1T  thumbup.gif
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quite good la bro 310mhz...
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anyone using mushkin black line L2V2 1g pack?
why kenot use divider a sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hafifee @ Apr 13 2006, 11:29 AM)
anyone using mushkin black line L2V2 1g pack?
why kenot use divider a sweat.gif
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what chipset ? izzit Bh-5?
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 14 2006, 12:54 PM)
what chipset ? izzit Bh-5?
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Apr 14 2006, 01:05 PM)
Look at his siggy.. TCCD.. laugh.gif
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doh.gif terlepas pandang dowh doh.gif

hehehe..btw why TCCD still need divider?

i think with TCCD chip can get high HTT la thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 14 2006, 04:50 PM)
doh.gif  terlepas pandang dowh  doh.gif

hehehe..btw why TCCD still need divider?

i think with TCCD chip can get high HTT la  thumbup.gif
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maybe timing salah kot...any one usng mushkin black line pliz help me with the timing...coz last time im using bh5..just switch to TCCD.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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what ur timing? and how far ur tccd can be pushed?
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my tccd can't even pass 260 mhz with 1:1 divider with timing 3-4-4-8,1T @ 2.85 vdimm

why why why?

is it my mobo limitation?

even with 289x9 for cpu while i set my ram divider to ddr333 it can't boot also doh.gif
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QUOTE(magiara @ Apr 15 2006, 05:20 PM)
my tccd can't even pass 260 mhz with 1:1 divider with timing 3-4-4-8,1T @ 2.85 vdimm

why why why?

is it my mobo limitation?

even with 289x9 for cpu while i set my ram divider to ddr333 it can't boot also  doh.gif
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woot...tccd shud have no problem doing 260 shocking.gif ...even with tighter timing...2.5336...at 2.7 sumore
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QUOTE(magiara @ Apr 15 2006, 05:20 PM)
my tccd can't even pass 260 mhz with 1:1 divider with timing 3-4-4-8,1T @ 2.85 vdimm

why why why?

is it my mobo limitation?

even with 289x9 for cpu while i set my ram divider to ddr333 it can't boot also  doh.gif
try 2.6V or 2.7V instead

if not... try 2T, most probably your mobo not 'oomph' enough
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QUOTE(magiara @ Apr 15 2006, 05:20 PM)
my tccd can't even pass 260 mhz with 1:1 divider with timing 3-4-4-8,1T @ 2.85 vdimm

why why why?

is it my mobo limitation?

even with 289x9 for cpu while i set my ram divider to ddr333 it can't boot also  doh.gif
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waaa..cant pass 260 mhz? sweat.gif

some TCCD cant fly with high voltage..did u try with lower voltage before?
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@magiara...why dun u post ur alpha setting...maybe others can help out...
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 16 2006, 06:27 PM)
@magiara...why dun u post ur alpha setting...maybe others can help out...
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what is alpha setting? sweat.gif
it is the ram timing on the bios?
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Anyone can anwser me why my Corsair only able run at CL2, but not CL2.5 and CL3 ???
mine is XMS3200 v1.4 (2x512MB) blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
RAM spoil or what ?
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 17 2006, 12:57 AM)
Anyone can anwser me why my Corsair only able run at CL2, but not CL2.5 and CL3 ???
mine is XMS3200 v1.4 (2x512MB)  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
RAM spoil or what ?
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wahh..can do CL2 i good news la thumbup.gif

hehe..btw..if u try to switch it to CL2.5 or 3..what happen?
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 17 2006, 12:57 AM)
Anyone can anwser me why my Corsair only able run at CL2, but not CL2.5 and CL3 ???
mine is XMS3200 v1.4 (2x512MB)  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
RAM spoil or what ?
have u ever tortured or burn-in your TCCD? if yes... that might explain it.
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 17 2006, 12:57 AM)
Anyone can anwser me why my Corsair only able run at CL2, but not CL2.5 and CL3 ???
mine is XMS3200 v1.4 (2x512MB)  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
RAM spoil or what ?
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and with that timing, how far u can push it sweat.gif
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you cant do 2.5 and 3...mine can only do 2 and 2.5...CAS3 will get tooooootttt
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mine cas 3 overclocks lower than 2.5 laugh.gif
but managed to get 275 2.5-4-4 on intel, 280 on amd.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 17 2006, 05:50 PM)
you cant do 2.5 and 3...mine can only do 2 and 2.5...CAS3 will get tooooootttt
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his ram can only doing CL 2 la bro sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 17 2006, 06:08 PM)
his ram can only doing CL 2 la bro  sweat.gif
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that's what i meant by cant do 2.5 and 3...the other way around of saying can onli do 2... biggrin.gif
and mine...cant do cas3...and it is tccd not bh5...just saying
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wah maybe im gonna join this thread.
i can do 280 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.66 V
285 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.67
and 290 @ 2.5-4-48 2.67
lolx still trying out summore.
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QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Apr 17 2006, 07:31 PM)
wah maybe im gonna join this thread.
i can do 280 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.66 V
285 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.67
and 290 @ 2.5-4-48 2.67
lolx still trying out summore.
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shud be able to do 300 i guess with that stuff...just that corsair love to use their own pcb instead of BP pcb...maybe some use BP but mostly their own pcb design...called it Enhanced PCB or something...if BP, than it would be damn nice...
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QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Apr 17 2006, 07:31 PM)
wah maybe im gonna join this thread.
i can do 280 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.66 V
285 @ 2.5-4-4-8 @ 2.67
and 290 @ 2.5-4-48 2.67
lolx still trying out summore.
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yeah..should pass 300 HTT very easy la..

if stuck..up ur vdimm thumbup.gif
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if im not mistaken, mine is with the BP pcb.
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QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Apr 17 2006, 09:18 PM)
if im not mistaken, mine is with the BP pcb.
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so..what are u waiting for..make it over 300 HTT 1:1 la thumbup.gif

pair with opty 170..damn nice thumbup.gif


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this pair able to do CL2.5-4-3-7 at >250MHz last time one woh... HERE
now just don't want to do CL2.5 ...
looks like the pair need to RMA already... sad.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 17 2006, 09:29 PM)
this pair able to do CL2.5-4-3-7 at >250MHz last time one woh... HERE
now just don't want to do CL2.5 ...
looks like the pair need to RMA already... sad.gif
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what is ur ram rated timing? corsair only covers if the ram is not performing as per their advertised rating i.e. failed in memtest...they will ask u to do the memtest...and if nothing can be done...then RamGuy will say something like..."pls follow the 'I think I got a bad memory' in my siggy"...then u'll get the RMA number...done RMA for my corsair twice...and each time i got back the stick...the performance is getting better as well thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 18 2006, 12:13 AM)
what is ur ram rated timing? corsair only covers if the ram is not performing as per their advertised rating i.e. failed in memtest...they will ask u to do the memtest...and if nothing can be done...then RamGuy will say something like..."pls follow the 'I think I got a bad memory' in my siggy"...then u'll get the RMA number...done RMA for my corsair twice...and each time i got back the stick...the performance is getting better as well thumbup.gif
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the rated timing of that RAM is 3.3.3.8.
ermm.. where you send for RMA ? to USA ? shocking.gif
coz the RAM is bought from Malaysia Corsair Official Supplier Cudo lor ..
so i think i will just pass to them. sad.gif
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i shipped direct to Corsair USA since my 1 year warranty from the shop already expired...but not sure whether the local supplier can provide the warranty (either they make the changes or they send it to Corsair US)...last time...in 2002...i bought it from compuzone...sent the second RMA end of last year IIRC...try la check with the local supplier first...i sent via FeDex...around RM65 to ship...they sent back using UPS...took about 3-4 days to arrive at ur doorstep...no kastam intervention since during my sending it out to US...already fill in the declaration form at fedex...
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QUOTE(magiara @ Apr 15 2006, 05:20 PM)
my tccd can't even pass 260 mhz with 1:1 divider with timing 3-4-4-8,1T @ 2.85 vdimm

why why why?

is it my mobo limitation?

even with 289x9 for cpu while i set my ram divider to ddr333 it can't boot also  doh.gif
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magiara im also have problem with 1:1 when pair opty and tccd.... tongue.gif
must use divider....if not blue skrin only at 270mhz 1:1...

so weird la...opty not gam with tccd ka??? sweat.gif
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but magiara proc is not opty one...and mine has no problem on memtest and loading windows...play games (not too intensive kinda game) and stuff...but only failed when i ran the prime with large fft...
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 18 2006, 10:14 PM)
but magiara proc is not opty one...and mine has no problem on memtest and loading windows...play games (not too intensive kinda game) and stuff...but only failed when i ran the prime with large fft...
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my tccd when pair with amd64 venice can go 315mhz 1:1 but with opty just 270 have error..maby must fit ram setting kot.. sad.gif must std for ram setting first..
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but we have to remember that for a64 and opty...the mem controller is built into the proc itself...so most prolly ur venice has a damn good mem controller whereas ur opty has a not-so-good mem controller...so, we just cant assume that when the A ram is doing great on this proc, it should oc well on other proc as well...that's just not the case bro
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 18 2006, 11:06 PM)
but we have to remember that for a64 and opty...the mem controller is built into the proc itself...so most prolly ur venice has a damn good mem controller whereas ur opty has a not-so-good mem controller...so, we just cant assume that when the A ram is doing great on this proc, it should oc well on other proc as well...that's just not the case bro
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that what i meants mate..should adjust ram setting la..must std la.. biggrin.gif
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ur tccd...which one huh?the ocz one ka?
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 19 2006, 12:57 AM)
ur tccd...which one huh?the ocz one ka?
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so...in this case, since ur ocz is binded and guaranteed to work at ddr600 at stock..it should be able to do so regardless of the proc...hmmm..rma? doh.gif:
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QUOTE(remysix @ Apr 19 2006, 07:28 PM)
so...in this case, since ur ocz is binded and guaranteed to work at ddr600 at stock..it should be able to do so regardless of the proc...hmmm..rma? doh.gif:
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huh rma??? ohmy.gif
you means i got problem with this ram....
i think i have problem with its setting only... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Apr 18 2006, 10:33 PM)
my tccd when pair with amd64 venice can go 315mhz 1:1 but with opty just 270 have error..maby must fit ram setting kot.. sad.gif  must std for ram setting first..
Different K8 will need different memory timing setting.

I'm not refering to the SPD timing, but the memory controller's timing itself.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 19 2006, 08:22 PM)
Different K8 will need different memory timing setting.

I'm not refering to the SPD timing, but the memory controller's timing itself.
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i agree with you...but must try setting one by one ka if it not work??
so complecated lol.. sad.gif
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yes... no choice but to try one-by-one

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just finish find my max htt for this opteron 144...
i got 328x9=2.95ghz vcore 1.6v..
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 19 2006, 08:22 PM)
Different K8 will need different memory timing setting.

I'm not refering to the SPD timing, but the memory controller's timing itself.
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i wonder...
if the ocz is binded and guaranteed to run at ddr600 at stock...plugged in...but cannot run at ddr600...let say if asked ocz about it, will they say, "that probably ur proc has no good mem controller, so u need to change ur proc to make sure our ocz stuff can run at the rated speed/setting"...if like that aaa...hancus vmad.gif rclxub.gif
i meant, yes we know that the proc might be having a no good mem controller but can the ram support say that...hmmm...i wonder

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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Apr 19 2006, 09:04 PM)
just finish find my max htt for this opteron 144...
i got 328x9=2.95ghz vcore 1.6v..
after this must setting for ram.. tongue.gif
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wahhh..manage to get 2.9 ghz with 1.45v only..well done mate..

izzit prime stable?
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 20 2006, 01:45 PM)
wahhh..manage to get 2.9 ghz with 1.45v only..well done mate..

izzit prime stable?
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do not prime yet..cause must find setting for tccd first.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 20 2006, 01:45 PM)
wahhh..manage to get 2.9 ghz with 1.45v only..well done mate..

izzit prime stable?
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he is running 1.6vcore.
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owh..sory my mistake..1.6v for 2.95Ghz..how about ur proc temp mate?
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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Apr 20 2006, 06:22 PM)
do not prime yet..cause must find setting for tccd first.. tongue.gif
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after found pls tell me oso tongue.gif
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The pair 2x512MB XMS3200 v1.4 finally sent for warranty already. sad.gif
have to wait until mid of next month only able to get it.

Hopefully is a not bad pair. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 21 2006, 05:12 PM)
after found pls tell me oso tongue.gif
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so pening la blink.gif alway failed when try to prime large fft stress ram for 250mhz only....but small stress proc ok past... blush.gif
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try my gskill la..hehehe.. i think TCCD and TCC5 will giv diff result
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 23 2006, 12:20 PM)
try my gskill la..hehehe.. i think TCCD and TCC5 will giv diff result
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My Corsair XMS3200 TCCD doesnt like high clock sad.gif

At low clock (below 230MHz), the timing can be super duper tight with only 2.67V, but once it goes above 230MHz, things started to degrade.

I've tried DDR500 (2.5-4-4-8) and the other misc timing at very loose side. Drive strength set to weak 4 (7) and data strength = 1 and 4, prime a while already give me serious error. btw, I've tried 2.7, 2.8 and 2.83V. Takkan DDR500 already need 2.9V !! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kulus @ Apr 23 2006, 12:20 PM)
try my gskill la..hehehe.. i think TCCD and TCC5 will giv diff result
not really.... both use similar kind of setting

in fact... they're just the same die
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got an team xtreem ddr600 running on my asus board, failed to run ddr600 stable, failed prime after 3 hours 58 minutes... blush.gif using a64 tweaker to tweak the clk per cycle and others such as drive strength to weak also no help, anyone got idea for me??
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Try....

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Juz wanna ask sumthing
The PATRIOT XBL PC4800 DDR600 rated can do FSB250 2.5-3-3-7, but i cant Memtest is stable. It hang at Test5, does this mean the ram is sumhow defected?

BTW,im using Intel. So this means i wun achieve FSB250@2.5-3-3-7 since i able to Memtest FSB240@2-3-3-8.

Thnks. smile.gif smile.gif

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
Try....

Read Write Queue Bypass = 16x
Bypass Max = 7x
Max Async Latency = 8ns
Read Preamble = 6ns
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i cant even do this at DDR500 stable, with 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.8V sad.gif
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wahh..very hard to tweak TCCD when it pair with TCCD doh.gif
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For me low RAM speed + super tight timing is pretty easy. But once it reaches 240MHz above, it started to become unstable. Maybe my RAM is too hot?
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 26 2006, 04:15 PM)
For me low RAM speed + super tight timing is pretty easy. But once it reaches 240MHz above, it started to become unstable. Maybe my RAM is too hot?
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mine also like that la...
at ddr400 no problem prime 10hours 2-2-2-5 sad.gif
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now im doing 221mhz at 2.5-3-3-6, 1T @ 2.7vdimm
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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Apr 23 2006, 03:08 AM)
so pening la  blink.gif alway failed when try to prime large fft stress ram for 250mhz only....but small stress proc ok past... blush.gif
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same prob with me...dunno what else to do...prime large fft always failed rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 26 2006, 03:08 PM)
i cant even do this at DDR500 stable, with 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.8V sad.gif
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how bout ddr500 @ 2.5-4-3-7 w/ 2.6v? smile.gif

my previous pair of tccd (gskill fc) like 2.6~2.65v only, highest stable clock done on nf3 ultra-d was 280MHz (mobo limitation). wink.gif

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QUOTE(Penjejak awan @ Apr 28 2006, 04:15 PM)
mine also like that la...
at ddr400 no problem prime 10hours 2-2-2-5 sad.gif
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225MHz at very tight timing oso no problem... js tat high speed kena. sad.gif


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how bout ddr500 @ 2.5-4-3-7 w/ 2.6v? smile.gif
my previous pair of tccd (gskill fc) like 2.6~2.65v only, highest stable clock done on nf3 ultra-d was 280MHz (mobo limitation). wink.gif
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Ahh... thanx for the tips.
Can u pls tell me yr RAM timing n drive strength?
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 29 2006, 04:05 AM)
225MHz at very tight timing oso no problem... js tat high speed kena. sad.gif
Ahh... thanx for the tips.
Can u pls tell me yr RAM timing n drive strength?
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this is d best i can give, other screenies gone as i've ledi changed to nf4. smile.gif

in nf3, there were only 2 options available, either weak or normal, unlike nf4. so u gotta find it out yaslf... sweat.gif

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thx ah khoo.

I'm able to do DDR500 now, Primed near to an hour ady.
I'm using 2.7V 2.5-3-3-6.

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hey guys, help me out icon_question.gif

i'm using ocz el platinum rev 2.0 pc 3200 (512x2) with tccd chips.

with 244x9 at 1:1 divider (2.5-3-3-6,1T), my sisoft score is 6100++

here's the 2nd situation,

with 325x8 at divider DDR133 (2.5-3-3-6,1T), my sisoft score is 6400++

why? icon_question.gif

i thought with higher ram mhz, it suppose to run faster?


*anyway, my jetway mobo is limiting my ram overclocking ability over 250mhz doh.gif , getting a dfi sli-d soon*
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yr CPU speed boosted the RAM score significantly.
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check this out..dunno if it's been reviewed before..hoping to get comment from u guys ....DFI

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 29 2006, 08:19 PM)
yr CPU speed boosted the RAM score significantly.
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but running at 325x8 at divider ddr133 or 244x9 1:1 divider is better?
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9x244 only 2.2GHz, but 8x325 has 2.6GHz. Higher clock speed usualy boost the memory bandwidth score as well. I dunno the exact reason, maybe the memory controller works faster (since it has the same clock as CPU).

Well, u hv 216.66Mhz RAM when setting 8x325. If the timing is tight, it can perform similarly with 244MHz at loose timing.
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as you can see, at 325x8 and 244x9, both have the same timings, 2.5-3-3-6, 1T
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the tccd ddr600 really headache, i am using aus board so cannot fine tune it, using a64 also weird la, cannot pass prime at ddr600 wif 2.5-4-4-8, always failed after 3 hours of blend test blush.gif i currently doing ddr550 and most likely stable cause passed 5 hours prime but i lazy to continue it biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(magiara @ Apr 30 2006, 12:27 PM)
as you can see, at 325x8 and 244x9, both have the same timings, 2.5-3-3-6, 1T
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u try using 7x325 and 9x244, i think the result should favour 9x244. 8x325 has high CPU clock ,tat's y the result is better
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at least every1 better than me...
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prime failed, for 200mb, 8-4096, FFT not in place, after 1 hour.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ May 1 2006, 03:24 PM)
u try using 7x325 and 9x244, i think the result should favour 9x244. 8x325 has high CPU clock ,tat's y the result is better
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alright will give it a try later and see what's the different, maybe cpu speed boost up the score too
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ok, done! i set it to 325x7 and the score drops back to 5.9k
so i guess proc speed does helps abit too. so u recommend me to run at 325x8(ddr133) or 244x9(ddr200) ?
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In K8 architecture.... divider does not matter at all. Even if you run 1:1.... it is still on divider, because the RAM can never run at the same speed as the cpu clockspeed. Remember.... there is no front side bus in K8.
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getting my new mobo soon dfi sli-d, hope can clock it at 289x9 with 1:1 divider and get great scores sweat.gif
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Hi ppl,

I really need some help abt the timing.

I'm able to run until DDR466 with tight timings and passed 8 hrs 8-8192K FFT

Actually I've tried to change the CL from 2.0 to 2.5 for DDR468, but the RAM instantly failed Prime95, cant even do SuperPI 256K sweat.gif doh.gif

Any suggestion on changnig the timing for DDR470 - DDR500 range with around 2.7V also?

The screenshot shows the timing @ DDR466, 2.7V, DRAM drive lvl 7 and data drive lvl 1. CPU is running at 9x311 = 2800MHz (with 3:4 /12 divider).

Thx !

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Hi ppl,

I really need some help abt the timing.

I'm able to run until DDR466 with tight timings and passed 8 hrs 8-8192K FFT

Actually I've tried to change the CL from 2.0 to 2.5 for DDR468, but the RAM instantly failed Prime95, cant even do SuperPI 256K  sweat.gif  doh.gif

Any suggestion on changnig the timing for DDR470 - DDR500 range with around 2.7V also?

The screenshot shows the timing @ DDR466, 2.7V, DRAM drive lvl 7 and data drive lvl 1. CPU is running at 9x311 = 2800MHz (with 3:4 /12 divider).

Thx !
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setting should be 2.5-3-3-5
DRam drive lvl 7
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Idle cycle limit 256(my setting always)

for ram over 300mhz
set the Async Latency to 8, RP 4

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Tref not 4708 the best meh?
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QUOTE(Westley @ May 2 2006, 09:55 PM)
Trc 7
Trfc 14
Tref 3120 for tccd

setting should be 2.5-3-3-5
DRam drive lvl 7
Data drive lvl 4 reduce 00
or put DRam 5, data drive 2
By pass max set to 7x
Idle cycle limit 256(my setting always)

for ram over 300mhz
set the Async Latency to 8, RP 4
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Hmm... i'll try the settings. But then only 4708 (166MHz 1.95us) works best for me. Other is kinda unstable when doing SuperPI. tongue.gif

btw, my bypass max oso behave weirdly, bcoz setting to 7x can cause error in superPI, but 5x is perfectly stable when i was running DDR466 and below
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The Trc and Trfc really works la biggrin.gif
Now my RAM seems more stable than the previous one.

Well, if not mistaken, Anandtech has mentioned Tras = 6,7,8 works fastest on nF4 chips. I wonder if this is true.

thx again 4 yr help.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 2 2006, 10:35 PM)
Tref not 4708 the best meh?
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demand for PI, best lar...
sometimes do make it slower for stability
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QUOTE(Westley @ May 3 2006, 12:55 AM)
demand for PI, best lar...
sometimes do make it slower for stability
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I've tried 3072 (200MHz 3.9us) and another number corresponding to 200Mhz 15.6us. Both Tref are not stable during Prime, 4708 has the best so far. I wonder why, it is suppose to be more stable for lower Tref as the memory is refreshed more often. Maybe TCCD likes slow refresh time ? tongue.gif
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Try Read Write Queue bypass 8x and Bypass max 4x
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Tried with DDR466 2-3-3-6. 4x seems to gimme prob after priming for 3 hours, same goes to 5x. I think the max allowed is 6x only.

Hmm... 8x Queue bypass ar? Slow in SuperPI tongue.gif
but i'll give a try later biggrin.gif

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if u ask me comment on corsair ram i would said that the heatspreader they provide was bad.

do you add any extra cooling to it?

for the setting, nf4U-D hv many guide over the web...
try find some oc record they have made...
use it for ur ram to test...
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one question, did u ever burn-in the RAM before with high voltage? or any method of burn-in?
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QUOTE(Westley @ May 3 2006, 09:40 PM)
if u ask me comment on corsair ram i would said that the heatspreader they provide was bad.

do you add any extra cooling to it?

for the setting, nf4U-D hv many guide over the web...
try find some oc record they have made...
use it for ur ram to test...
Hm... then i shall take off the heatspreader someday biggrin.gif
I've read through kakaroto's TCCD DDR600 guide from XS, but the setings dont seem to be stable even booting into the windows tongue.gif


QUOTE(soulfly @ May 3 2006, 10:30 PM)
one question, did u ever burn-in the RAM before with high voltage? or any method of burn-in?
My highest was 2.8V, only tried once when i wanna reach 260MHz FSB DDR520 on my old school AXP for a screenshot of Sisoft Sandra BW ranking.

Most of the time I'm running 2.70V DDR480, 2.5-3-3-11 on DFI nF2 Ultra Inf. Tried prime95 for a few days for absolute stability check. After tat I'm folding almost everyday for 6-7 months with this RAM.
I wonder if the RAM is too used to the old system till refuse to go high clock. Maybe she still thinks : hey, tis is nF2, dont go so high ! laugh.gif
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If you burn-in them at CL2.0.... probably that's why it wont run with CL2.5

heard cases of burned-in TCCDs that refuse to run at higher speed, only tighter timing at lower speeds.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 4 2006, 11:12 AM)
If you burn-in them at CL2.0.... probably that's why it wont run with CL2.5

heard cases of burned-in TCCDs that refuse to run at higher speed, only tighter timing at lower speeds.
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some said mostly happened to tccd yr05...
hv tried, those can do weird timing after that.
in 1 case, there is a guy push it like bh5, 250 cl2
voltage, 2.8v and above...

i dunno, but is quite weird...
the tccd currently 1 owned, tccd 431 which can run
200@2-3-3-6 only, 2.75v

another which is 440
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and 200@2-2-2-5
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need help from otaku2 here...
why my ram dont want to use divider a?
everything is working fine when i use 1:1..when tro to use 9:10..got prob..

fsb 300
divider 9/10 = 270 (DDR540)

can boot into windows..but after 5 sec..BSOD will appear n pc will restart...why a?


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Bios: 623-3
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my current settings:(no problem at all)

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Cpu Multi X10
PCI-E 105
Vcore Startup 1.425
Vcore 1.425
Vcore Special AUTO
LDT 1.3v
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different divider may need different memory controller setting.... believe me.

try read preamble 6.0ns, and play with the Idle Cycle value
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different divider may need different memory controller setting.... believe me.

try read preamble 6.0ns, and play with the Idle Cycle value
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who is doing 4x512MB?
need your help.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 4 2006, 11:12 AM)
If you burn-in them at CL2.0.... probably that's why it wont run with CL2.5

heard cases of burned-in TCCDs that refuse to run at higher speed, only tighter timing at lower speeds.
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i dunno, but is quite weird...
the tccd currently 1 owned, tccd 431 which can run
200@2-3-3-6 only, 2.75v

another which is 440
able to do 300@2.5-4-4-8
and 200@2-2-2-5
How to see 431 / 440 ?

Mine can do 2-2-2-6 up to 210MHz default voltage
211MHz above must use 2-3-3-6, as pushing up the voltage help nothing.

2-3-3-6 can scale up all the way to 237MHz with 2.75V, and tight alpha timings.

2.5-3-3-6 dunno yet, still trying with 2.70V and see how far it can go. However, I must loosen up the alpha timing, else it will gimme errors in SuperPi and failed Prime in a few seconds tongue.gif

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to see the code, u hv to remove the heatsink.
it is great that ur TCCD can do it.
but mine, no hope, 1 pair can do, another can't.

after 1 week burning and tweaking, the system able to run @ 2.74V 200mhz.
i hv tried for 250mhz, but no matter what effort i try, it won't be able to prime sucess for more than an hour.
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sorry to hear abt yr not so good TCCD.

Well, i've js tried DDR510, with 2.5-4-3-7 @ 2.80V

It js cant pass prime for more than 1/2 hour.


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after can't make it @ 250, i hv to tried for 230, good news is it passed 18 hours prime and continued...

and it is running @ 2.72v(bios 2.77v but undervolt in windows so much)sweat.gif
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my teamxtreem succesful make it to ddr600 at last with my asus board with 2.9vdimm, i added a fan to active cool the ram, so it wont fail after 3 hours of prime, and do pass 7hours 45 min...

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sorry to hear abt yr not so good TCCD.

Well, i've js tried DDR510, with 2.5-4-3-7 @ 2.80V

It js cant pass prime for more than 1/2 hour.
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Only DDR510? Your timing is quite loose.
At vdimm 2.8v, You should be able to hit 275MHz, at least.

Are you ram modules in the orange slots?

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ May 17 2006, 12:38 PM)
my teamxtreem succesful make it to ddr600 at last with my asus board with 2.9vdimm, i added a fan to active cool the ram, so it wont fail after 3 hours of prime, and do pass 7hours 45 min...
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Command rate 2T?
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yup, cause the asus board got issue with 1T, if i go 1t it just can reach 230, the board limiting me... blush.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2006, 12:43 PM)
Only DDR510? Your timing is quite loose.
At vdimm 2.8v, You should be able to hit 275MHz, at least.

Are you ram modules in the orange slots?
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Yes, it's in the orange slot. I dunno if my proc doesnt like /11 divider.
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Unlike Venice, Opteron/Venus should work well with most of the dividers.
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I've tried, but still cant work. Last time i can run DDR480 nicely with 2.70V 2.5-3-3-11 timing with DFI nF2 Infinity Ultra. Prime for 100 hours also no problem. But with this system, 2.5-3-3-6 DDR480 requires 2.73V and cant really pass 12 hrs prime.

However, 2-3-3-6 can run very very well, up to DDR470. I cant do it with my old AXP system at all.
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i think it's RAM limitation

as far as I could recall... Corsair XLPT XMS3200 is using JEDEC spec pcb.... correct me if I'm wrong.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 17 2006, 06:25 PM)
i think it's RAM limitation

as far as I could recall... Corsair XLPT XMS3200 is using JEDEC spec pcb.... correct me if I'm wrong.
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revision 1.2 is using the brain power spec pcb.
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yea. Mine is using brainpower, rev 1.2

maybe hv to fine tune the alpha timing even more. Almostthere sent me 1 screenshot on this RAM. It is using damn loose alpha timing to reach DDR600 compare to other RAM.
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I've tried, but still cant work. Last time i can run DDR480 nicely with 2.70V 2.5-3-3-11 timing with DFI nF2 Infinity Ultra. Prime for 100 hours also no problem. But with this system, 2.5-3-3-6 DDR480 requires 2.73V and cant really pass 12 hrs prime.

However, 2-3-3-6 can run very very well, up to DDR470. I cant do it with my old AXP system at all.
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Forget about Prime95.
Can your ram run other applications (like games, folding) stable at 275MHz or higher?
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Can run, but eventually the system will get BSOD even at DDR500. DDR550 is out of reach for sure. Once boot into windows, already feel laggy, and cant do SuperPI 1MB at all.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ May 18 2006, 02:26 PM)
Can run, but eventually the system will get BSOD even at DDR500. DDR550 is out of reach for sure. Once boot into windows, already feel laggy, and cant do SuperPI 1MB at all.
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This is really weird. You must have some really bad batch of TCCD.

I know most companys advertise their TCCD ram modules capable of 275MHz 3-4-4-8.
You can check Corsair website if this ram able to run 275MHz by specification.
May be you should RMA it as these ram modules doesn't work as specification.

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Erm... mine is js XMS3200 XLPT, still can RMA even if it doesnt go up to 275MHz? tongue.gif
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Updates :

AMAZINGLY, when i set to /10 divider and "AUTO" timing, i m able to pass SuperPI 1M @ DDR533 2.5-4-3-7 @ 2.83V. Now priming in process thumbup.gif

Damn... i didnt know AUTO timing works better than my manually set one. Anyway, I hv a fren with the same Opty batch as mine, and running /11 isnt really stable at high speed too.

ALeUNe thanx for all yr help wink.gif

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with the AUTO timing.... try check the value of the timings with A64Tweaker

ah...dun forget to show the screenie here
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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 18 2006, 06:53 PM)
with the AUTO timing.... try check the value of the timings with A64Tweaker

ah...dun forget to show the screenie here
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checked, but the SP2004 eventually failed after 16 minutes too tongue.gif

The screenie thumbup.gif

* i've changed Trrd = 3 and Twtr = 2, prolonged the SP2004 near to 1 hour. Before that, it always failed at 896K FFT, and now it always failed at 320K FFT. When i kept resume n try, suddenly BSOD and my printing stops cry.gif

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Try....

Tcl = 2.5
Trc = 15 (or 16)
Trfc = 17 (or 18)
Trcd = 4
Trrd = 3
Tras = 8
Trp = 4
Twr = 3
Twtr = 2
Trtw = 3

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Idle Cycle Limit = 256 clks (or lower value if possible)
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Alrites, will try it tis weekend, thanx soulfly
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wondering if can improve da setting... anyone can help...
settings

my specs in my sig... tis ram wont pass 230... very sad cry.gif cry.gif ... if try to push pass 230, will load and run windows but will have immediate error in super PI and SP2004... so i think just stick here for awhile n optimize the settings... 280 is the max for the proc, oledi try wit higher voltage(accidentally psuh until 1.7v) but still cannot...
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QUOTE(diablo69 @ May 23 2006, 10:49 AM)
wondering if can improve da setting... anyone can help...
settings

my specs in my sig... tis ram wont pass 230... very sad cry.gif  cry.gif ... if try to push pass 230,  will load and run windows but will have immediate error in super PI and SP2004... so i think just stick here for awhile n optimize the settings... 280 is the max for the proc, oledi try wit higher voltage(accidentally psuh until 1.7v) but still cannot...
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my venice max is 300 only.. 310 can load into windows but got problem.. try lower ur ldt multiplier to x3, anyway 1.7vcore is damn high sweat.gif better careful, wat cooler u are using?
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da ldt multiplier was set at 3x since i start OCing this proc... using ninja plus with da supplied fan... manage to maintain max 47C... very itchy to push vcore since its onli at 1.5v bios set... whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(diablo69 @ May 23 2006, 07:53 PM)
da ldt multiplier was set at 3x since i start OCing this proc... using ninja plus with da supplied fan... manage to maintain max 47C... very itchy to push vcore since its onli at 1.5v bios set...  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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maybe thats ur proc limitation already, mine max at 300 only, tried pushed to 1.86vcore but still not stable
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yeah sort of realized that.. so im looking for option to tighten the timing for my tccd... any idea...
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QUOTE(magiara @ May 24 2006, 08:20 AM)
maybe thats ur proc limitation already, mine max at 300 only, tried pushed to 1.86vcore but still not stable
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wow...1.86vcore sweat.gif
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wow...1.86vcore sweat.gif
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i believe u oso thinkin' the same as me sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 23 2006, 01:45 AM)
The pair 2x512MB XMS3200 v1.4 finally sent for warranty already.  sad.gif
have to wait until mid of next month only able to get it.

Hopefully is a not bad pair. biggrin.gif
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I got back my XMS3200 from warranty last week,
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ May 24 2006, 09:42 PM)
I got back my XMS3200 from warranty last week,
is a XMS3200v6.1,
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should be UTT chips  rclxms.gif
no time to test yet  tongue.gif
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CMX512-3200 XMS3200 v6.1 0516013-0 = Promos -5 Rev A *
CMX512-3200 XMS3200v6.1 0516011-0 = Winbond -5 UTT
yr 05 there is some shortage of IC, it makes corsair grab watever it can get.
and this makes the production line update inconsistance.
now, corsair use mostly promos for xms3200
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QUOTE(Westley @ May 27 2006, 02:21 AM)
from houseofhelp
CMX512-3200 XMS3200 v6.1 0516013-0 = Promos -5 Rev A *
CMX512-3200 XMS3200v6.1 0516011-0 = Winbond -5 UTT
yr 05 there is some shortage of IC, it makes corsair grab watever it can get.
and this makes the production line update inconsistance.
now, corsair use mostly promos for xms3200
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in fact, i did open a bit the heatspreader and check and confirm is using UTT. smile.gif
now more interested to play 2X1GB RAM tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ May 27 2006, 09:03 AM)
in fact, i did open a bit the heatspreader and check and confirm is using UTTsmile.gif
now more interested to play 2X1GB RAM tongue.gif
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http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=47615&page=3
look this, not always...
promos own some chip likes uTT also
and, some infineon looks like uTT

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QUOTE(Westley @ May 28 2006, 12:08 AM)
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=47615&page=3
look this, not always...
promos own some chip likes uTT also
and, some infineon looks like uTT
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hehe, nice found.

let me settle down the 2x1GB KVR UCCC first,
then i will be bck to this XMS version6.1 RAM flex.gif
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QUOTE(diablo69 @ May 24 2006, 10:33 AM)
yeah sort of realized that.. so im looking for option to tighten the timing for my tccd... any idea...
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bro, some tccds aren't meant to run tight timin, i got a pair of gskill fc (rated 275MHz @ 2.5-4-4-8) when i was on nf3 ultra-d like u. d tighestest i can run 'em was 2.5-3-4-7 @ 250 ish MHz. y not try to run 'em on 1:1, since ya max htt is almost near to d capability of d board to run 1t, which is 280 for my previous board. smile.gif

n never try to run ya tccds w/ high voltage, i ran mine @ 2.6V (bios set) that time, perfectly stable... wink.gif
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TCCD???
this one tccd chipset ka? wink.gif
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halo guys...sory for this very noob question...

how do I know the limitation of my rams?? and also what am I supposed to set first?? because I really want to know How high My rams can go further with the highest Frequency...

My rams are : team extreem 2X512, pc 4400, ddr 550...

this one is my set up, and vdimm is default which is 2.67:

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Use Memtest86+ to test your RAM's limit.

Run HTT:RAM at 1:1 and start overclocking from there. Increase Vdimm if not stable.

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sumthing to share w/ u guys, i know d 2hours is nowhere near d ultimate stable state, will work hard on it to achive d goal.... smile.gif

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just a short test... d ram is askin more & more juice to be feeded... sweat.gif


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300 > 2.5V
305 > 2.5 + 0.03V
313 > 2.6+ 0.03V

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 23 2006, 10:02 PM)
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305 > 2.5 + 0.03V
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my FF hit 300 must do 2.75~2.8v cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(fantasy_kenny @ Jun 24 2006, 10:32 AM)
well,the voltage so low..... rclxms.gif

my FF hit 300 must do 2.75~2.8v cry.gif  cry.gif
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2.8v still considered fine, u ain't gonna run tccd w/ 3.0v & above for 24/7 like sumone... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 25 2006, 09:08 AM)
2.8v still considered fine, u ain't gonna run tccd w/ 3.0v & above for 24/7 like sumone...  laugh.gif
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u mean is....... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

haha...

well,u got the good ram to use....
i think my Xpert can't beat ur TCCD...(that must using 2.9v at 300@2.5-4-3-7)... cry.gif cry.gif
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hy there...i'm new here with new (traded with vtec rock his TCCD), i actually hit DDR670@3-4-4-8@2.8VDimm (not stable thou), DDR660 Super-PI-ed 32M, n DDR630 stable after memtest n Super-PI-ed, wonder y Priming failed after 10minutes even after i lowered the CPU multiplier as low as 6x (300x6), 400x6...
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different memory divider used.... different value of async latency/read preamble needed... and other timings as well
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jul 11 2006, 07:21 PM)
different memory divider used.... different value of async latency/read preamble needed... and other timings as well
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maybe i shud post the detail (RAM timings n others info) thou....
ok, will do tonite...
from previous thread...most guys do at 2.5v, 2.6v, i havent try this, but didnt dare to do at 2.9vdimm...
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hy there...i'm new here with new (traded with vtec rock his TCCD), i actually hit DDR670@3-4-4-8@2.8VDimm (not stable thou), DDR660 Super-PI-ed 32M, n DDR630 stable after memtest n Super-PI-ed, wonder y Priming failed after 10minutes even after i lowered the CPU multiplier as low as 6x (300x6), 400x6...
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wow.... DDR670.... i'm curios to see this. can show ur screenshot?
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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jul 11 2006, 07:29 PM)
wow.... DDR670.... i'm curios to see this. can show ur screenshot?
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i'll post it tomorow ok...yeap...managed to get DDR670 but... brows.gif failed all stress test lor...only hit.i think already hit the ceiling...
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Jul 11 2006, 07:38 PM)
i'll post it tomorow ok...yeap...managed to get DDR670 but... brows.gif failed all stress test lor...only hit.i think already hit the ceiling...
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as promise...
i did hit this clock after using clock gen, n fail all stress test ok... shakehead.gif

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hello guys..i got a prob with my FC..i cant ever set it to 250 Mhz vmad.gif with this setting :


Genic BIOS Setting :

CPU Frequency = 250MHz
Hammer Fid Control = x9
HT Frequency = 3x
HT Width = Up 16 Down 16
PCIE Clock = 100MHz
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet = Disabled
DDR Voltage Contorl = 2.6v
Chp Voltage Contorl = 1.5v

DRAM Configuration :
Memclock Index Value (Mhz) = 200 Mhz
Tcl = 2.5
Tras = 8T
Trcd = 4T
Trp = 4T
Trrd = 2T
Trc = 8T
Trfc = 16T
Twr = 3
Twtr = 2
Trwt = 3
Tref = 3120
Twcl = 1 Mem clock after CAS#
DDR Output Driving = Auto
DDR DQ Drive Strength = Auto
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Read Preamble Value = 5.5ns
Async Latency Value = 8ns
Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter = 256cycle
DDR Output Driving = Auto
DDR DQ Drive Strength = Auto
PDL Delay Adjust = Auto
DLL Speed Override = Auto
MTRR Mapping Mode = Continuous
DRAM ECC Feature Control = Disabled

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My current spec are :
Processor - AMD64 3000+ Venice E3 (s939)
Mobo : DFI NF4 Infinity Ultra
RAM : 2x512MB GSkill FC
Graphic Card - Inno3D 7600 GST
HDD : WD 120GB 8MB
Optical Drive : ASUS 52x DVD-ROM, LG DVDRW
PSU : Fortron Bluestorm 500W
Window XP PRO SP2

hope somebody can giv ur opinion.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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anybody can help me..now on everything at default also got BSOD cry.gif
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really? have you tried EVERYTHING at default speed?
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jul 16 2006, 12:34 PM)
really? have you tried EVERYTHING at default speed?
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yes..i already set everything at default setting..but when it come to window, after 5 sec, BSOD !! cry.gif
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maybe got windows corruption
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window corrupt also can make BSOD ek?
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ur's is G.Skill GBFC? here's mine

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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jul 17 2006, 02:41 AM)
ur's is G.Skill GBFC? here's mine

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okies..thanks for sharing..i'll try it..
btw, how to now izzit GB or not ? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kulus @ Jul 17 2006, 07:18 AM)
okies..thanks for sharing..i'll try it..
btw, how to now izzit GB or not ? sweat.gif
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kulus it is everything ok?do u try that setting?
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hi i'm using Team Extreem PC4800 DDR600 Samsung TCCD RAM Module n currently running at 315MHz @3-4-4-8 1T @2.86V (MemTest-ed it, Primed it, SuperPI-ed it - stable), if i increase VDimm to 2.9, shud be ok rite?coz... i felt (touched the heatspreaders) quite hot, way hotter than CPU (maybe around 50°C~70°C)...
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hi..im using corsair xms xpert TCCD..nw running 265mhz (ddr530)@ 2.5-3-3-5 @ 2.65v
will post some screenie soon...after i set up my rig again..izit a waste i use TCCD on my 478 system? sweat.gif i thk kenot fully utilise its power tongue.gif
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yes, honestly i think it's a waste since an average set of Hynix DT-D43 can do the same thing at cheaper price.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 19 2006, 08:34 PM)
yes, honestly i think it's a waste since an average set of Hynix DT-D43 can do the same thing at cheaper price.
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actually not thking to change but my previous DT-D43 kenot goes more thn 230 in dual channel sweat.gif becoz one stick is mix chip wif a CT indeed..i try single stick for the DT-D43 n max i can go is 250fsb @ 3-3-3-7 @ 2.8v...i try 3-4-4-8 @ 2.8v but not much increment wink.gif
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Hi guys,

Regarding this particular model:

Team Xtreem Hermes DDR1
PC4400 DDR 550MHz
512MBX2, 2.5-4-3-7, 2.7~2.9V


Is this TCCD loaded RAM capable of achieving 560MHz easily on loose timings (3-4-4-8) at a max of 3.2Vdimm? I think it's possible but i don't want to assume. My rig specs are as in my signature.

Owh, and also if it has any compatibility issues with my PC specs.

Thanx. smile.gif

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Hi guys, im using OCZ EL PLATINUM DDR400 512mb x2. The highest i can get is 280mhz using 2.7v with my Abit KN8 Ultra mobo using nf4 ultra.
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 3 2007, 12:17 AM)
Hi guys,

Regarding this particular model:

Team Xtreem Hermes DDR1
PC4400 DDR 550MHz
512MBX2, 2.5-4-3-7, 2.7~2.9V


Is this TCCD loaded RAM capable of achieving 560MHz easily on loose timings (3-4-4-8) at a max of 3.2Vdimm? I think it's possible but i don't want to assume. My rig specs are as in my signature.

Owh, and also if it has any compatibility issues with my PC specs.

Thanx.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 16 2007, 05:28 PM)
Err...bump?  unsure.gif
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tccd runs better in amd platform, some can hit over 300MHz on rather loose timin, still depends on luck of gettin good batch. u ain't need 3.2v for tccd, way too high. i would say 2.8~2.9v max. smile.gif

try to use 865 tweaker to get d best outta ya ram. wink.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 16 2007, 09:08 PM)
tccd runs better in amd platform, some can hit over 300MHz on rather loose timin, still depends on luck of gettin good batch. u ain't need 3.2v for tccd, way too high. i would say 2.8~2.9v max. smile.gif

try to use 865 tweaker to get d best outta ya ram.  wink.gif
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Hmm, wut do u mean by 'runs better' in amd platform? Compatibility? Reliability? Performance? I would say that Intel-based CPUs are the ones that are lax when it comes to timings. Luck is, well of coz part of the matter too.

My enquiry is just that would it be stretching the limit, if the above-mentioned RAM would be to increase by a mere 10MHz? Thanx.
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 12:42 AM)
Hmm, wut do u mean by 'runs better' in amd platform? Compatibility? Reliability? Performance? I would say that Intel-based CPUs are the ones that are lax when it comes to timings. Luck is, well of coz part of the matter too.

My enquiry is just that would it be stretching the limit, if the above-mentioned RAM would be to increase by a mere 10MHz? Thanx.
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coz k8 of amd are multiplier adjustable (downward thou... tongue.gif ), so if u got a good pair u can always lower down d multi & runs higher htt (or fsb for intel). p4 of intel are multiplier locked, so u cant go as high as 300MHz on fsb easily... smile.gif

for intel, iirc, higher clocks are always better, timin comes 2nd. wink.gif

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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 12:42 AM)
Hmm, wut do u mean by 'runs better' in amd platform? Compatibility? Reliability? Performance? I would say that Intel-based CPUs are the ones that are lax when it comes to timings. Luck is, well of coz part of the matter too.

My enquiry is just that would it be stretching the limit, if the above-mentioned RAM would be to increase by a mere 10MHz? Thanx.
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ya, what he said is true. I'd tried 2x512mb corsair tccd on both amd and intel platform. it can prime at least 270 @ cl2.5 stable on dfi nf4 but only up to 22x on even with very loose timing on intel p4 2.6c.

I owned a pair of geil one-s tccd, doing 300 @ 2.5-4-3-8 prime stable on dfi nf4 platform but it were sold to another forumer and he told me that he able to do 31x with the same timing. brows.gif
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 12:43 PM)
Ok, thanx for the input. But my concern is NOT how much or how far this baby can go. It is purely simple. Assume that:

- Timings can be very loose: 3-4-4-8
- Vdcc can go anywhere from 2.6V up to 3.2V
- Multiplier is locked

And judging from the specs of the said RAM:
Team Xtreem Hermes DDR1
PC4400 DDR 550MHz
512MBX2, 2.5-4-3-7, 2.7~2.9V


That would make it have a standard clockspeed of 275MHz. My question is, could it make 280MHz without much of a sweat..or is it near the absolute limit already...?
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I believe that it could not, but you may try.
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QUOTE(gsan @ Jun 17 2007, 01:11 PM)
I believe that it could not, but you may try.
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I do not have it with me to try it. But y do u say that it could not?
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 01:43 PM)
I do not have it with me to try it. But y do u say that it could not?
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as I said on the previous post, it's kinda oc 2x512mb tccd on intel platform.
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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 12:43 PM)
Ok, thanx for the input. But my concern is NOT how much or how far this baby can go. It is purely simple. Assume that:

- Timings can be very loose: 3-4-4-8
- Vdcc can go anywhere from 2.6V up to 3.2V
- Multiplier is locked

And judging from the specs of the said RAM:
Team Xtreem Hermes DDR1
PC4400 DDR 550MHz
512MBX2, 2.5-4-3-7, 2.7~2.9V


That would make it have a standard clockspeed of 275MHz. My question is, could it make 280MHz without much of a sweat..or is it near the absolute limit already...?
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I think, u dont want your TCCD exceeding 2.8v. And, in my exp., i havent met any tccd will do CL3. Resulting in no-boot. n oso from my exp, tightening TCCD sub-timing will benefit little gain in perf. Unless it can boot with " Bank-Interleave" option as ENABLED in bios, then it will be in the same league as BH5 / CH5 / BH6 (of course w/ higher frequency than the later).

The tightest sub-timing of TCCD can give me around 29s in superpi 1M ( thats at oced to ddr600). n The tightest BH5 (yeah, Team Zeus Series) comes at 27s (oced to ddr500 only). Both at same config,same setup; 3G Opty 146.

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I believe i am misunderstood.

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- Timings CAN be very loose: 3-4-4-8
- Vdcc CAN go anywhere from 2.6V up to 3.2V
- Multiplier is LOCKED


Please do not compare to ur Core 2 Duo's, Quad Core's, AM64's and god-knows-what-else-used-by-NASA high end and latest PCs. Mine is an Intel P4 Northwood 2.4C HT running on an Intel i865PE chipset. I mentioned that the timings CAN be tight but doesn't HAVE to be. The voltages CAN go from ANYWHERE between 2.6V UP to 3.2V. (Meaning, 2.6v, 2.7v, 2.8v, 2.9v, 3.0v, 3.1v, 3.2v & anything in between). It doesn't HAVE to be 3.2V. And i don't need opinions on multipliers as mine is LOCKED without any option of changing it.

I understand that most of u are new-gen of OCers utilizing dual-cores and 64bit procs, but mine is ol'skool northwood bred and my question is still, would it be able to withstand an increase of 5MHz from 275MHz standard, to achieve 280MHz without a hassle?

YES/NO?
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With your setup, probably yes.
For normal Intel setups, most of the time, no.
You're running a northwood 30 cap right?

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QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jun 17 2007, 03:34 PM)
I believe i am misunderstood.
Please do not compare to ur Core 2 Duo's, Quad Core's, AM64's and god-knows-what-else-used-by-NASA high end and latest PCs. Mine is an Intel P4 Northwood 2.4C HT running on an Intel i865PE chipset. I mentioned that the timings CAN be tight but doesn't HAVE to be. The voltages CAN go from ANYWHERE between 2.6V UP to 3.2V. (Meaning, 2.6v, 2.7v, 2.8v, 2.9v, 3.0v, 3.1v, 3.2v & anything in between). It doesn't HAVE to be 3.2V. And i don't need opinions on multipliers as mine is LOCKED without any option of changing it.

I understand that most of u are new-gen of OCers utilizing dual-cores and 64bit procs, but mine is ol'skool northwood bred and my question is still, would it be able to withstand an increase of 5MHz from 275MHz standard, to achieve 280MHz without a hassle?

YES/NO?
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Chill out dude, ppl here are just tryin to help, dun be misunderstood. smile.gif

No exact answer to ya question, all u can do is trial & error. It still depends on how far d ram can go. if u hit d ceiling say at 270MHz, it's really hard to push it further, even 5MHz more (i'm referrin to prime). sad.gif

Am runnin a pair of be-5, max prime stable is 240MHz, I've been playin with it months ledi but still no luck of gettin it to run @ 245MHz (my target). Be it adjustin d alpha timin, playin d d vidimm, changin slot position to be named fews... yawn.gif

So d conclusion is, be happy with wat u got after reachin d limit. wink.gif
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QUOTE(@meno @ Jun 17 2007, 04:21 PM)
With your setup, probably yes.
For normal Intel setups, most of the time, no.
You're running a northwood 30 cap right?
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 17 2007, 04:50 PM)
Chill out dude, ppl here are just tryin to help, dun be misunderstood.  smile.gif

No exact answer to ya question, all u can do is trial & error. It still depends on how far d ram can go. if u hit d ceiling say at 270MHz, it's really hard to push it further, even 5MHz more (i'm referrin to prime).  sad.gif

Am runnin a pair of be-5, max prime stable is 240MHz, I've been playin with it months ledi but still no luck of gettin it to run @ 245MHz (my target). Be it adjustin d alpha timin, playin d d vidimm, changin slot position to be named fews...  yawn.gif

So d conclusion is, be happy with wat u got after reachin d limit. wink.gif
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Well, thats the thing. I'm thinking of making a purchase of a TCCD 550MHz, but not going to unless i know for sure it can hit at least 280 (560MHz) with any timing at any voltage.

I appreciate everyones help but it would be meaningless if ppl dont know wut i'm talking about. Just making myself clear.

Thanx anyway. smile.gif
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for intel platform i wud say hynix or bh-5 either one clicks well with it. smile.gif

save d $ as tccd really not doin really well in d platform that ur in. wink.gif
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wow... chill out dude. Just telling,
1 - tccd cant stand high voltage. That is, if u want it to last longer.
2 - BH5 is better for benching

well in ur case, there's no assurance how high it can be oced. if u want to achieve ddr 560, y dun just buy ddr600 rams? And, for ram, there's always "Burn-In" procedure.But it very risky.Wrongly burned, u'll end up stuck w/ setting the time u burned. Well, if u want to take the risk, go through high-reputation forums, xtremesystems,ocau, to name a few. There's always a guide for it. mine achieved abt 20mhz after burn-in, 2 notch lower vdimm n tighter timings.


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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 17 2007, 05:20 PM)
for intel platform i wud say hynix or bh-5 either one clicks well with it. smile.gif

save d $ as tccd really not doin really well in d platform that ur in.  wink.gif
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As intel will oc on fsb and amd on ht, will the ram chipset make difference on both platform in term of performance when compare to clock to clock?

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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jun 17 2007, 08:47 PM)
As intel will oc on fsb and amd on ht, will the ram chipset make difference on both platform in term of performance when compare to clock to clock?
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i wud bet on amd win in this case, architecture wise amd is better when it comes to memory performance (in d case of p4 vs k8 of course). smile.gif
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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jun 17 2007, 02:24 PM)
I think, u dont want your TCCD exceeding 2.8v. And, in my exp., i havent met any tccd will do CL3. Resulting in no-boot. n oso from my exp, tightening TCCD sub-timing will benefit little gain in perf. Unless it can boot with " Bank-Interleave" option as ENABLED in bios, then it will be in the same league as BH5 / CH5 / BH6 (of course w/ higher frequency than the later).

The tightest sub-timing of TCCD can give me around 29s in superpi 1M ( thats at oced to ddr600). n The tightest BH5 (yeah, Team Zeus Series) comes at 27s (oced to ddr500 only). Both at same config,same setup; 3G Opty 146.
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My TCCD can use CL3 no problem with higher mhz compared to cl2.5. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Jun 19 2007, 05:37 PM)
My TCCD can use CL3 no problem with higher mhz compared to cl2.5.  laugh.gif
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How bout some screenshots man?
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here some SS that my TCCD last did... biggrin.gif

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