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post Sep 15 2005, 02:18 PM

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guys, my situation is:

able to do 2.5-4-4-8 @ 275 w/ 1t, no error in memtest. smile.gif

but w/ same timing, can't do 300 w/ 1t(millions of errors), 2t gimme bout 150 errors in each loop in test 5. doh.gif

bios everything is set to auto (mem. config), i've tried soulfly's setting but it gimme instant restart. tongue.gif

my setup:
as in siggy, my fc is of tccd chip w/ 2.8~2.9 vdimm. ohmy.gif

any tips from u guys? kakaroto's tccd mem guide (from xtremesystem) doesn't work for me... i know, he's usin ff or le series, while mine is juz fc... sad.gif

is it becoz of mobo limitation? or sumthg wrong w/ my ram (and setting)?

thx for any input guys... notworthy.gif

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post Sep 15 2005, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 15 2005, 03:38 PM)
ah_khoo..... are you the same one in DFI-Street?
Well, the problem is with the mobo. I was never able to do 1T at 300MHz with 2x512MB kit on the nF3 Ultra-D.
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yup bro... thx for d info... notworthy.gif

well, guess i gotta aim for higher htt then... smile.gif

to match d bandwidth 275 @ 1t, i think i need to do 31x-320 @ 2t... now only i know how big d gap is between 1t and 2t... doh.gif

edited: not sure whether this fc can do 31xhtt or not... sweat.gif

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i'm doin 311htt @ 2t w/ 2.9v (bios set), but in bios value displayed is 2.96V with my fc. 300htt gime no error nemore. again, everything is auto(for mem. config), thou there're some errors w/ 311htt, but i think it'll be fine after few days of burn in... smile.gif

i'm findin d max freq of my ram 1st, hopefully it can reach 322htt w/o error then i'll ask u guys for help w/ d settings in mem config coz i've no idea to deal with it (too many options)... sweat.gif tongue.gif

hope u guys doin well too... wink.gif

edited:2.5-4-4-8 for all htt...

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post Sep 22 2005, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 19 2005, 04:27 PM)
ah_khoo

it's better to find your limit by running at 1T

.....coz 2T is gay on DFI tongue.gif

the extra memory option is not that hard. first you try to get some settings that has been regularly used by everybody, but make sure the type of mobo and ram that is used is similar to yours. for example u might want to find a setting that is similar to somebody that is using lanparty nf3 ultra-d with TCCD. from there u just test 1 by 1 on the options that different ppl use different values. for the options that most ppl using the same value, just leave it that way.

that's the method that i used to reduce my RAM voltage from 3.2V memtest stable to 2.9V memtest stable, on my TCC5 of course.
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i wish i can run 1T for htt > 300 too, but seems like it's quite impossible. i've asked some users of 2*512 tccd/5, they're havin d same problem too. i can safely say it's becoz of chipset limitation on nf3 ultra. sad.gif


QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 19 2005, 11:30 PM)
ah_khoo: Better don't burnin your TCCD. Burning in TCCD will screw up the RAM.

I'll say try from 2.7V to 2.8V... 2.9V max on that mobo because it overvolts.

My TCCD can do 300MHz at 2T with no memtest errors but BSODs in Windows. Previously no BSOD or whatsover in Windows at 300Mhz and above.

My previous results doing 323Mhz at 3-4-4-8-2T on 2x512MB TCCD on DFI LP UT NF3 Ultra-D:
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But sadly, I'm not able to do that anymore with my Winne. Changed to Venice and hoped the better mem controller can solve my problem but it did not help me either. Maybe I screwed the RAM by trying to run it at 3.0V  doh.gif
OR maybe the mobo is screwed!
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i hope i didn't screwed up d ram... coz it cos me bout d $$ i've spent on my mobo + processor... sweat.gif

so far 300htt @ 2.5-4-4-8 w/ 2.96V memtest error free but can't complete super pi 32M... doh.gif any idea guy?

my venice confirm no problem runnin 300htt, seems like this ram dun wanna coorperate... cry.gif
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Sep 22 2005, 09:40 PM)
I'd say screw Memtest cos its not reliable at all. Run Windows Memtest for stability check instead.

Well, from what I have tested, my previous DFI LP UT nF3 Ultra-D had issues with 2x512MB TCCDs doing 300MHz at 1T, but no issues with 2x256MB at 300MHz - 1T.
Thinking that nF3 limits 1T at 300MHz, I tested the same 2x512MB TCCD on Abit AN8-SLI (nF4) and it gets worst. I'm not sure if the memory is screwed coz now it wont even do 200MHz at 1T on the nF4 setup. It will pass Memtest1.6 at 290Mhz 1T without any errors but BSODs when booting into Windows.  sweat.gif

I'm running 2x256MB TCCD at 300MHz - 1T on the AN8-SLI now and with just 2.7VDimm, it passed OCCT and running Windows Memtest at the moment. Looks like this board is also having a tough time eating 2x512MB TCCD sticks  shakehead.gif
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tccd won't do 200htt @ 1T, sounds weird... sweat.gif is there a possible dat it was caused by mobo? blink.gif

i wished i can have those 2*256 tccd module, juz wanna push d cpu + ram to d max... blush.gif

i started to doubt d reliability of memtest coz my venice run fine @ 2.7 with my bh-5 (133 divider, error free), but w/ my fc, no matter how high d vdimm (1:1, error free) still it failed in super pi 32M... doh.gif

gonna dig out d windows based memtest ledi. update u guys if i find sumthg new... tongue.gif

thx for all d input guys, esp raymond n master soulfly... smile.gif

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my fc onli like 2.5-4-4-x, even 2.5-4-3-x will give thousands of errors, regardless 1t or 2t for htt > 275, never try lower thou... smile.gif

i've tried d windows based memtest juznow, 2.5-4-4-8 @ 300HTT (2T) seems fine, but i need to feed 2.96V for d ram, any lower will give some errors. wink.gif

so d method i've found to burn in ram is:

1. run dos based memtest til' nomore error in all test.

2. run sandra burn in wizard (mem. bandwidth) around 100-200 pass

3. test stability w/ windows based memtest.

how bout u guys? tongue.gif

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juz to share sum findouts i get recently:

300HTT @ 2.5-4-4-8 (2T) use 2.87V

280HTT @ 2.5-4-4-8 (1T) use 2.67V

i found dat 2.6V(bios set) is d sweet spot for my FC @ 1T, anyvolt be it higher or lower will give errors in memtest.

W/ 2T setting @ 300HTT or higher, 2.8V is d min.


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post Oct 12 2005, 11:20 PM

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yep... smile.gif

tried almost eveything but still no go for 300HTT @ 1T... doh.gif
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post Oct 13 2005, 08:45 PM

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do u guys tried the stability of ram usin memtest of windows version? blink.gif

i juz tried it, error free 4 1XXX% but.... when i'm about 2 take d screenshot... i pressed ok then it didn't show d percentage ledi... doh.gif

but atleast now i know 280HTT is the max for my mobo 2 run @ 1T.

guys, do u all mind sharing d genie bios settin dat doin 2.5-4-3-X @ 275ish HTT(1T ofcoz tongue.gif )? Mine can only do 2.4-4-4-X w/ 2.67V. Increament of voltage doesn't help, so i think it's becoz of d alpha timin. smile.gif

thx in adv... hehe... laugh.gif

EDITED: I'll give mine 2ml... 4got 2 brin d detail 2day... blush.gif

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d latest bios(8/24) is almost d same, but it doesn't like venice, works well w/ sandy thou... sad.gif 7/11 (d 1 i'm usin) juz slightly diff... biggrin.gif

juz give it a shot, x harm tryin rite? wink.gif

thx soulfly... notworthy.gif


EDITED: juz dig dis out from dfi-street... biggrin.gif

Memory Hole for PCI MMIO = Disable
Max Memory Overclock (MHz) = 200
1T/2T Memory Timing = 1T
Cas# Latency (Tcl) = 2.5
Ras# to Cas# Delay (Trcd) = 4
Min Ras# Active Time (Tras) = 8
Row Precharge time (Trp) = 4
Write Recovery Time (Twr) = 1
Ras#-to-Ras# Delay (trrd) = 2
Row Refresh Time (Trfc) = 16
Row Cycle Time (Trc) = 8
Write-to-Read Delay Twtr) = 2
Read-to-Write Delay (Trwt) = 2
Refresh Rate (Tref) = auto
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 7
Read Preamble = 5
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = 0
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive
DDR DQ Drive Strength = 50% Reduction
ECC Function = Disable

*basically juz copy & paste from review by raymond in his fc review... tongue.gif

i found out those in red are quite critical, wrongfully assigned d values will require cmos clearin > d thing i hate most... doh.gif

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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Oct 15 2005, 10:14 AM)
Yup, those are very critical timings for TCCD. However, make sure you check using A64 Tweaker as the timings might change when you're in windows.

But anyways, it still doesn't help to run a pair of 2x512MB TCCD at 300MHz / 1T using that nF3 U-D mobo  sweat.gif
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yup, still no go for 2*512MB to do 300HTT@1T... sad.gif

QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 15 2005, 11:12 AM)
I suggest that you loosen some values such as

Twr = 3
Trrd = 3
Trc = 7/12
Trfc = 14/16
Twtr = 2
Trwt = 3
Tref = 4078
Twcl = Auto/1
Write Cas Latency (Twcl) = 1
Max Asynchronous Latency = 8
Read Preamble = 5.0/5.5/6.0
Dynamic Idle Cycle Limit = disable
DDR Output Driving = Weak Drive
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thanks... smile.gif

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post Oct 22 2005, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(gengstapo2 @ Oct 22 2005, 11:55 AM)
ehh prend, if i put the extra setting to AUTO, it cant even boot.
do i need to try it at other standard board; let say such intel board wif no OC option??
sure all setting for those board r standard wan.
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voltage used? i noticed that @ 1T, tccd doesn't like too much voltage between 250~280HTT, mine like 2.6V, thou manufactured recommended voltage is 2.7~2.9V. wink.gif

dunno much bout nf4 ultra, but i guess it's less picky (on ram) than nf3 ultra in general... smile.gif

*pls correct me if i'm wrong... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Westley @ Nov 4 2005, 10:15 PM)
juz test, my tccd can run 245htt only @ 2.83v stable in windows...
trying to run 250htt, but memtest86+ test 8 freeze.
tat's why i wondering...

memtest86+ can pass using even 2.7v but can't enter windows.
getting BSOD.
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r u on divider bro? try to run w/ 2.8V 1st, burn usin memtest of windows version for a day or 2, then try w/ 2.6~2.7V, i faced d samething last time too... smile.gif
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forgot dat u have a 3200+ bro, so no divider needed. tongue.gif

juz burn it for a day or 2 as per mentioned previously, it works for me... smile.gif
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QUOTE(pcmoddingmy @ Nov 12 2005, 01:24 AM)
Burn in TCCD?
I dont think its a good idea... TCCD will not work well after burning in, chances are less.

2.7 to 2.8 is sweet spot for TCCD. If its not stable, don't increase the voltage. I've been playing with TCCD before and gave it 2.9 to 3.0V. After such high VDIMM, the RAM will not be stable at low voltages anymore.
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yup, agree on that, genreally, tccd is more on tweakin & findin sweet spot (voltage) rather than burn in to get it run betta... smile.gif
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QUOTE(Mowgli @ Nov 21 2005, 06:56 PM)
well...still TCCD wud be suitable for Intel compared to UTT....besides ol skool BH5 that is...

hav a pair of TEAM DDR600 TCCD coming soon....my BH5 juz KOed...i know i wont reach DDr600 with Intel... tongue.gif coz my proc oso canot go dat far! hehe....can reach DDR550 super happy ledi!! still most prob proc limiting.. wink.gif
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Sorry for OT tongue.gif

y don't u try d43? i noticed that sum of 'em are capable of doin DDR550, some even reach 280FSB w/ 3-4-4-8... smile.gif
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QUOTE(Mowgli @ Nov 21 2005, 10:30 PM)
SOME...not guaranteed... tongue.gif i prefer assurance...coz i dont hav much money to change here n there...TCCD most prob capable of DDR550 @ 2.5337...which IMO, is better... tongue.gif

thanx 4 ur opinion tho...
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single sided d43 most likely can. not all tccd can assure u DDR550 @ 2.5-3-3-7 i would say. 2.5-4-3-X, yes. smile.gif

*correct me if i'm wrong. wink.gif

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QUOTE(kbs@o!!! @ Dec 7 2005, 03:09 AM)
my tccd...stable in ddr600 2.5-4-4-7 2-2-1-2 1T 2.8vol
tref :any

DRAM Drive Strength : 5 or any
DRAM Data Strength : 1 or any
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : fast
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 16 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : enable
R/W Queue Bypass : 16x
Bypass Max : 07x
ddr600 2.5-4-3-7  2/3-2/3-2-2/3 1T 2.9vol

tref:i try almost all adi in diffrent drive n data strenght
DRAM Drive Strength : 5
DRAM Data Strength : 1
Max Async Latency : 08.0
DRAM Response Time : normal
Read Preamble Time : 05.0 Nano Seconds
IdleCycle Limit : 256 Cycles
Dynamic Counter : disable
R/W Queue Bypass : 08x
Bypass Max : 04x

but got few error in fifth test ~40% ..got >35 error in memtest...after fifth test..then no more adi...
+today..two day n nite i keeping testing adi...endup error..headache...  unsure.gif  sad.gif
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m.a = 8
r.p = 5.5 or 6
idle cycle limit = 0

i miss me tccd ledi... blush.gif



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QUOTE(mnemonic_80 @ Dec 10 2005, 01:10 PM)
need to ask all sifu2 here... i oc'ed my gskill fx reach to 290, window memtest pass 200%coverage, super pi 1m & 8M pass... but fail 32m.. is it ok to use?

vdimm 2.65 - timing 2.5-4-3-5
vcore 1.55
MSI K8N Neo4-F
Venice 3000+ @ 2.61GHz
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increase vdimm mite help help... smile.gif

nope, if failed in 32M most like isn't really stable. wink.gif

do post ya DRAM settings too... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mnemonic_80 @ Dec 10 2005, 01:25 PM)
my DRAM settings.. how much vdimm i need to increase? 2.7? cz the standard gskill fx vdimm 2.7 - 2.8... thanx  notworthy.gif
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Trp = 4

try to loosen Trc, Trfc and Tras aswell. Generally ya timing is too tight I can say... smile.gif

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