@sunofabeach
well, to each of his own. View it constructively or just view it as I'm scaring the younger generation away.

Another way of looking at it, learn it now or learn it later. I would choose to learn it now and be prepared for it.

No objection, indeed learning from now and be prepared is not a bad move.

So far I can only realised one thing which is when I come back to this country one day , learn and be prepared to face harsh people and harsh environment. Maybe this is the way how people react and speak in this country which I still cant see a point why it must be like this.

Anyway cheers for the suggestions and thoughts, appreciated.

@sunofabeach
Malaysia cannot be compared to wherever you are (I think UK ? mentioned in earlier post?). Working in Asian related countries, you are always expected to work hard (Our auditors in Malaysia sometimes work 70 - 80 hours a week or more).

Politics exist everywhere even in the country you are in right now (maybe not so extreme but it still exists). It depends on how smartly you play the game. Hence why some people say street smarts is more important than book smarts.

Not all industries are that scary though.

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This post has been edited by xiaomahe: May 23 2011, 11:27 AM

May i know what is your role as associate consultant?

i dunno bout everyone else ... but i think 2.8k for a fresh grad is very high ...

in fact most will get 2.2 - 2.4k and this applies to most field ...

and to get 3.5k ... thats seriously high ...

successful youngsters don't come here to get encouraged

they work their butts off to equip themselves with sufficient skills to bargain for a good offer in the market..

***Welcome to the REAL world***

P.S: and to use ->> repeatedly is just pure disrespect for those who think they wanna give some constructive advice to you. Good luck to you if you intend to keep that kind of attitude in the future.

lol

Job Title : IT Channel Account Manager
Age : 23
Job Desciption : Look out for new sales,new resellers , basically call salesman job !
Years spent in company : 1+
Company : Local Chinaman
Industry : ICT
Tenure : permanent
Experience before joining : 8 years experience in IT line + sales !
salary : RM 2k,after deduct epf became RM 1,780. Petrol , toll , parking , handphone can claim.

Whatever you wanna say, I have said all my saying was purely to understand the working environment in this country, and didnt mean to challenge or show inrespect to anyone. That is just my own disappointment.

I dont see this icon is offending anyone, if this icon really does, it should have been removed by mod. Just feel sorry to see this situation and what could be more upset is it all happen like it should be .. lol

Anyway, I am gonna make a stop here just to prevent more people misunderstand.

@sunofabeach
well, you are in a different country which has different cultures and values compared to this country. Thats just how the picture is in Malaysia.

Indeed.

I don't know why people like to share it in a harsh tone. Can't it be an active way to coach one another? Why does it must be a harsh tone? I know some people would take advantage of you if you are not firm in your view but this doesn't suit every one.

I admire those "60s" and "70s" people's professionalism, but for sure I will not take them as example to improve my interpersonal skill.

One who can't adapt different communications skills to different people isn't that great in my eyes at all.

Malaysia can't compare to european countries, doesn't mean Malaysia culture is RIGHT.

Don't you think giving someone guidance in an active way would show better impact on him? Active guidance is always look at the strengths and talents one has, there then the person will gain confidence and acknowledgement of themselves. Sad to say, what I have seen here are all about passive comment, which is maximizing the "mistakes" and "weaknesses" one has. You want others to point out your every mistake and not to look at what brilliant jobs you have done? Why always view a life from a passive angle?

@debbiesys
I never once mentioned that Malaysia culture is RIGHT. You are assuming. I was just explaining that this is how Malaysia is. There is no right and wrong in each countries culture. Its just who we are.

Like I said, for my points, view it constructively or take it as I'm scaring youngsters away. Each person views things differently. Some would like to face the worst case scenario and prepare for it and avoid it.

hi guys,

shall we go back the topic: Lets talk salary?

@siberfriend
haha yes we got carried away. Why not share yours? I would share mine but my name is pretty obvious >< may get in trouble...

how did you do that? you can save more than 1k???

debbieyss

shared before and still the same pay since then... ^^

Frankly speaking..
one year of experience is as good as none...
so hard to fight for it

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Added on March 17, 2011, 10:07 pmFrankly speaking... engineering in msia does't worth much..

so join investment banking or something...
the stars publish their salary like crazy...

This post has been edited by lamteng82: Mar 17 2011, 10:07 PM