Hi, could someone tell me what is the range of salary I can expect as a fresh grad of accounting degree holder? Specific audit field.

This post has been edited by brriant250: Jun 13 2012, 04:05 AM

Do u even read what the other ppl are trying to tell u here?

You have got the whole idea wrong. First u made the wrong assumption in assuming that the data u provided was a monthly salary instead of annual income. Then u started comparing with foreign countries and then converting the money into ringgit to say that AS degree holders earn a lot. Then u used ONE person's salary in Singapore and converted it to ringgit to assume that was a great salary. And now ure trying to defend yerself.

Stop with this 'i know it all' mentality. This is the type of mentality that will get you nowhere in life. Uve not even gotten yourself into a degree program yet and ure already talking as if u know everything about work. Learn to take advice from the seniors here.

Let me tell u something. Anybody can earn a 5 figure salary with most basic technical/finance degrees/diploma working in any country with a higher currency convertion rate. So quit harping about AS. U want higher salary go and work in conflict zones. Ive employed local engineers with only 4 years experience to be based at very remote mining sites in Mongolia and their salary is about RM17,000 a month. I also know of many professionals working in other conflict zones in Sudan, Middle East Kalimantan who earn much more. U think thats great? It isnt when u consider other factors. Ive worked overseas so i know what im talking about.

When u talk about working overseas its not just about the salary ure paid. More important is the TAKE HOME SALARY not just the numbers on papar. Also consider cost of living, accomodation, transport, home base travel, etc. Thats why when experienced ppl talk about overseas postings, they always talk about salary PACKAGES. Not just the salary alone. You have to look at the WHOLE picture. Your friend in Singapore may earn SGD 4,100 per month. But how much is his take home pay after local taxes, how much is his daily expenses, accomodation, travel, etc? After deducting all that, then come and tell me how much he earns. And no its not the same with Malaysia. Thats why experienced ppl always negotiate salary packages when posted overseas e.g tax exemption, paid housing, company home base travel, company transport, etc.

But the most important thing is to STOP FOCUSING ON SALARIES. As a fresh grad u should be focused on GETTING EXPERIENCE & PROVING YORSELF first. Ive done many interviews for technical positions and when anybody asks me how much is the company prepared to pay, the question i ask them back is how much do u think ure worth to this company. And trust me, a piece of paper qualification only grants u permission to work in that field. Employers are more concerned about what you can deliver to the business. Any candidate who thinks he can walk into my interview session with paper qualifications with the assumption he is in a position to bargain with me bout salary, will most surely get shown the door eventually.

Ive employed candidates with lesser paper qualifications and experience but had the correct attitude compared to those who were highly qualified. In my opinion, attitude and character is more important that a papar qualification or the number of exams uve passed simply because its easier to groom a person with the right attitude instead of someone who thinks he knows everything before even starting.

So stop choosing fields of study based on some salary data you get of the net. You can earn top dollar but that accounts for nothing when uve lost your job satisfaction. And trust me when i say this that job satisfaction does not come from a high salary.

Just a tip. Don't forget to network. Start early, i.e. in Uni, go join VVIP pet projects, get to know them personally.

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the kid got told.

Ok. Ok. I agree with the whole thing and about the annual salary in the data I gave, its still a large amount if you convert it to monthly. I apologize for saying I know it all, ok? About job satisfaction, I have large passion on mathematics, accounting, economics, and computer programming and I have a very strong basic in SPM. I have no experience, I admit. I listen to your advise as you have seen much in this world. So I am already sure I am going to this field by my satisfaction and interest, then only looking for salary, I am not asking my employer to pay me high, just wanna know if any companies do pay quite a high sum to the fresh graduates, I can also GETTING EXPERIENCE & PROVING MYSELF there, can't i? Why can't I focus on both, GETTING EXPERIENCE & PROVING MYSELF and having quite high starting salary. As an interviewer, you said candidates who negotiate salaries with you, will be shown the door. I am not going to ask the employer to give more. I wanna which place offer me more. If you are saying working overseas will have to consider from many factors. I am here for any companies, even in Malaysia, can offer a job, whether its hard or anything to get myself paid higher. I am not ignoring the 'GETTING EXPERIENCE & PROVING MYSELF' here! Talking about AS, the salary is majorly determined by the number of professional exams one passed. Try do some research.

Ive employed candidates with lesser paper qualifications and experience but had the correct attitude compared to those who were highly qualified. In my opinion, attitude and character is more important that a papar qualification or the number of exams uve passed simply because its easier to groom a person with the right attitude instead of someone who thinks he knows everything before even starting.

Experience is important, but in AS without papers you are nothing! I don't know about your field, but in AS if you going to employ the one with less papers and correct attitude, I think you have made a wrong choice.

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Added on June 13, 2012, 2:14 pmWho says AS degree is nothing? You still can earn and by passing many exams you can earn big bucks. What you mean about A-Level won't land you a good income? Its a platform to enter top universities in the world for AS degree!

This post has been edited by Dhivyamaaran Anparasan: Jun 13 2012, 02:18 PM

The key point is : PROVE yourself first.

I've interviewed candidates that can promise the moon, the star blah blah;
And 1 or 2 who brought the a small meteor with them along in the interview, but promise at least that much or better consistently.

You want to guess who got hired?

So should i employ someone with more papers but with the wrong work attitude?

What has job satisfaction to do with your passion for maths and econs? Ure again going back to papar qualifications and interests. Let me put this into perspective for you. Job satisfaction means that even if you dont earn a high salary, ure still happy waking up for work each day cuz ure thankful for other benefits you might be getting e.g good learning experiences, good working environment, lower stress levels, ample time for family, good employer, caring superiors, more opportunity for personal development, etc. Not many employers offer all these together with a high salary. But when u make money your sole encouragement, you may earn more in the beginning thanks to some additional qualification but soon ull find ppl lower than u have not only caught up but also bypassed you in the corporate hyrarchy.

Ure talking based on some salary data u got on the net. The real working world does NOT emphasise on paper qualification. Get that out of your head please. Its not about whichever industry im in. When ure at my level, u dont just mix with ppl from your own industry. Im also a member of the International Institute for Management Development (IMD), Switzerland whose alumni are top execs from major international companies. Google it up and read. I also recently attended a alumni session at the private home of Tan Sri Abu (Chairman of Maju Holdings). Our guest of honour was Dr M himself including top execs from Petronas, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Shell, etc. Im also a member of the Malaysian German Chamber of Commerce (MGCC) and Austrade (Australian Trade Commision to Malaysia). When u mix with ppl at this level ull realise that networking is another important factor in the real working world (as someone mentioned earlier). U can have the best degrees and results, but all that means zero when u dont possess the neccessary work culture required to succeed in your field.

To succeed and earn top dollar, u have to show that ure better than the rest. If there are 10 candidates with the same qualifications, what happens then? Is the company obliged to pay all 10 of them top salaries? What if the overhead costs for that particular department only allows upscale numeration expense for only 5? This is the common scenario in most big companies and when this happens, paper qualification goes straight out the window.

You say in AS, without papers ure nothing rite? But in the real world, a fresh grad whos primary motivation is money becomes nothing in the long run. Who you become in 15 years time is based on the decisions you make now so choose wisely.

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Added on June 13, 2012, 2:57 pmAgain the same crap theory that a foreign degree from a reputable uni is gonna guarantee you a high paying job. U obviously have got yer head either stuck too deep in the ground or too high in the clouds. Come back down to earth kiddo. I hope for your sake, you loose that air of superiority before your first job interview. As for now, u surely fit the profile of the 'dont hire me' candidate in an interview.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jun 13 2012, 02:57 PM

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why are u so stubborn? u have a very very strong ego, unless u change your attitude or else, i can see u going nowhere in the future.

He is just like many other youngsters who came to the forum - seek answers for their questions yet at the same time defend their own opinions adamantly.

I too shared his opinions before I came out of college and started working. He will have a better understanding of the real world a few years later.

if an actuarial science degree earns u 5 figure salary as starting pay, all also lineup to register liao loh

You can earn above average + learn relevant experience at the same time. One thing is for sure, you won't get that job by arguing here on LYN. Better put your energy to find out and apply for such jobs.

Ps. I am firm believer of earning above average + learn relevant experience.

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Added on June 13, 2012, 10:50 pmMy friend sis got hired by BNM as fresh grad- RM17k/mth

Oh btw, no tom d*** and harry can complete actuary course much less ace it. She did ace it though.

This post has been edited by kaiserwulf: Jun 13 2012, 10:50 PM

Mind to tell what degree/master she have? I have a friend work in BNM, never heard of this

Just tell me the name of her department and ill find out easily enough.

wanna know, between culinary(working at hotel,restaurant etc) and graphic designer, which one have better in term of salary? have certificate and diploma.

This post has been edited by Cinta Laura: Jun 14 2012, 04:09 AM

people never listen.... it is not about the job my friend, it is about you, your passion, your direction.... kalau you suka culinary more, go there... kalau you suka design more, go there... do not go the the path which you are not happy with.....

no offense to others, i agree with the statement above

In malaysia, without cert, we still can alive,
exp. my HK fren told me, if you dont hav a cert, how pro you are, u are not entitled to go in big company
* not to go in big company, u will never gains very high salary as u expected.


Inb4, u still can start up ur ownbusiness, start ur career, earn the big money

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Added on June 14, 2012, 11:00 amthis

In malaysia, u do, In REAL world, i am not sure ur statement is correct..
or else u are talking about India? Cambodia? Vietnam?

i dont wan to talk about HK, u try to get a job in SG without cert

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Added on June 14, 2012, 11:06 amlive for life
i am a designer, so i choose my way, i can work happily even in ot


salary wise ah, i can see graphic designer earn not much in msia, but in sg, is a good start XD

This post has been edited by iAlien: Jun 14 2012, 11:06 AM

Your examples are opposing your stand.

You mentioned without cert in Malaysia, you still can survive. I interpret it as average salary to stay afloat in the current society. As for the HK example, it is indirectly stating that same as well. Without cert, you can't go to big company and as a result, you can't command a high salary. However, you are still able to survive by living within your means in HK.

opps, i means survive is high salary based on previous conversation, did i miss somethings?

This post has been edited by iAlien: Jun 14 2012, 12:55 PM