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post Jul 14 2005, 09:18 AM, updated 21y ago

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Alternative names

Papanicolaou test

Definition

A Pap smear is a microscopic examination of cells scraped from the cervix.

How the test is performed

The Pap smear is performed as part of a gynecological exam. You will lie on a table and place your feet in stirrups to position your pelvis for examination. A speculum (an instrument used to open the walls of the vaginal canal to see the interior) will be inserted into your vagina and opened slightly.

A sample of cells from the outside and the canal of the cervix is taken by gently scraping the outside of the cervix with a wooden or plastic spatula, then inserting a small brush that looks like a pipe cleaner into the canal.

The cells are placed on a glass slide and sprayed with a fixative, or put in a bottle containing a preservative, then sent to the lab for examination.

How to prepare for the test

The health care provider should be notified if you have had a prior abnormal Pap smear, if you might be pregnant, or if you are taking any medications or birth control pills. You should avoid douching, using tampons, having intercourse, and tub baths 24 hours before the test.

Avoid scheduling your Pap smear while you are menstruating, because blood and cells from the endometrial cavity may obscure the accuracy of the Pap smear. Empty your bladder just before the test.

How the test will feel

There may be some discomfort and a feeling of pressure during the procedure. A small amount of bleeding may occur after the test.

Why the test is performed

The Pap smear can detect cancerous or precancerous conditions of the cervix. For recommendations on the frequency of having this test done, see the information on cervicitis.

Normal Values

A normal value is negative, meaning there are no abnormal cells present.

What abnormal results mean

Abnormal values are based on the test results. The current system of reporting divides the results into three main areas: benign (noncancerous), precancerous (showing some abnormal cell changes), and malignant (possibly cancerous).

A report in the latter two categories will usually lead to a follow-up examination, including a repeat Pap smear and possibly other tests. If you have never had an abnormal Pap smear before, and the result indicates a mild abnormality, the Pap test is repeated in 6 months.

If the test result suggests a severe abnormality or cancer, you may need an immediate colposcopic evaluation with biopsies. If you have had an abnormal Pap test in the past, or have had treatment for a precancerous change, you may need an immediate colposcopy.

The Pap smear is a screening test. Any abnormal results should be discussed with your health care professional, who will help determine if a colposcopy is necessary.

What the risks are

There are no risks involved.

Special considerations

The following drugs may affect Pap smears:

Colchicine
Estrogen
Podophyllin
Progestins
Silver nitrate
Compounds in cigarettes

source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003911.htm

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post Jul 14 2005, 09:19 AM

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A Pap test is a simple, relatively inexpensive procedure that can easily detect cancerous or precancerous conditions. During a Pap smear, cells from the outside and the canal of the cervix are retrieved by gently scraping the outside of the cervix. The Pap smear is performed to detect cancerous or precancerous conditions of the cervix.

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post Sep 14 2005, 03:09 AM

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nice post, & btw, how much does the test cost
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yeah.. how much it cost here in Malaysia? I noticed shadowprincess is in canada... -.-"

thanks alot for the information...! it's really helpful..

btw.. what is "colposcopy " don't quite understand even after reading the pamplets attached...

many thanks again!!
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colposcopy = Examination of the vaginal and cervical epithelia by means of a colposcope.

colposcope = A magnifying and photographic device used as an aid in the diagnostic examination of the vaginal and cervical epithelia.

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post Nov 2 2005, 09:16 AM

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It costs around RM100 including lab tests for the cells. I went to TTDI's Apollo clinic to get mine done - female gyne AND very friendly. Results come out in two weeks. Pretty fast.
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post Nov 22 2005, 01:09 PM

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it costs RM1 if you go government maternity and child health clinics.
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post Mar 19 2006, 04:17 AM

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sorry wrong post. delete this.

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QUOTE(meiteoh @ Nov 2 2005, 09:16 AM)
It costs around RM100 including lab tests for the cells. I went to TTDI's Apollo clinic to get mine done - female gyne AND very friendly. Results come out in two weeks. Pretty fast.
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Whats the doctors name? and which part of TTDI is Apollo clinic?
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QUOTE(meiteoh @ Nov 2 2005, 09:16 AM)
It costs around RM100 including lab tests for the cells. I went to TTDI's Apollo clinic to get mine done - female gyne AND very friendly. Results come out in two weeks. Pretty fast.
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which part of TTDI?? mind to elaborate more? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Apr 16 2006, 04:38 PM

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meiteo,
how do they send the results? by post or self collect? thanks
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post Apr 29 2006, 10:47 PM

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people, if we wana do pap smear n std test , will they phone our house and tell our parents if they is sumthing wrong?or will they post the reaults to our house?
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post May 5 2006, 04:30 PM

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what is the best age to do pap smear? sum say better do it after u're married...is it true?
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post May 11 2006, 12:22 PM

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Yup..after married...coz this test is tyo test cervical cancer by HPV....and the risk of cervical cancer is proportional to the number of SI(sexual intercourse) had....that's y it's only necessary after u get married....Unless u're having SI before married...
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IT Only costs rm 30 .
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i did the pap smear test in lourdes clinic jalan ipoh, cost me rm100 n can get the result 10days after the test...women who is sexually active shoud do the pap smear test..
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post Aug 15 2006, 07:05 AM

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i think pap smear should be encourage among sexually active women, because it's a very useful test to diagnose early abnormal changes.

according to clinical doctors, cervical cancer is very easy to treat if detected earlier. However, the problems of cervical cancecr is that the cancer only present signs and symptoms at a very late stage.

another word is that, when patients approach doctors about the problems they face: leuchorrhoea, dysparunia, vaginal bleeding, dysuria... it's already in late stage and the prognosis is not that good.

In US, cervical cancer was the leading cause of death 50 years ago, but with the screening with pap smear, cervical cancer has reduced this to the 8th cause of cancer mortality in women in US today.

the peak age of Invasive Carcinoma( agressive type)--> 5th decade
in situ carcinoma ( non agressive)----> 3rd decade
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post Sep 1 2006, 09:50 AM

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Pap smear is indicated in sexually active women only and advised at least once a year.

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in situ carcinoma ( non agressive)----> 3rd decade


This is wrong, Carcinoma means aggresive. IN-situ carcinoma means that the malignant/dangerous cells have yet to break through the basal membrane. Hence the chances of spread to other body areas are minimal.


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meiteo,
how do they send the results? by post or self collect? thanks


For government clinics they will call you regarding your results. Not too sure about private clinics though.


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Yup..after married...coz this test is tyo test cervical cancer by HPV....and the risk of cervical cancer is proportional to the number of SI(sexual intercourse) had....that's y it's only necessary after u get married....Unless u're having SI before married...


Risk factors for cervical cancer include
1) early sexual intercourse
2)Multiple sexual partners
3)Sexually transmitted diseases
4)Human Papilloma virus infection


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Just go to LPPKN it is cheaper there than others hmm for women who sexually active
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any recommended clinic or doctor for this? i might one to test this out too.
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Ok i got a few questions. Some people insist that pap smears are only for married women. However i feel that it is really important to get it done annually at least. My mum managed to detect pre cancerous growth from her pap smear and fortunately it was still at a stage where an operation was all that was needed as it had not turned to cancer yet.
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QUOTE(Clareen @ Nov 1 2006, 02:44 AM)
Ok i got a few questions. Some people insist that pap smears are only for married women. However i feel that it is really important to get it done annually at least. My mum managed to detect pre cancerous growth from her pap smear and fortunately it was still at a stage where an operation was all that was needed as it had not turned to cancer yet.
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you should do it annually (yes i'm a guy but i've had enough gfs to learn more than i wanna know about women's health). ESPECIALLY if you're sexually active. in fact i think thats where "only after you're married" bullshyte comes from, because you know, you're only supposed to have sex after married (that's sarcasm btw)
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pap smears ar suppost to do it after u have sexual intercourse. u should do it annually.
nowadays is not bout doing it after married, is doing it after u r sexually active.
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got 1 ques, bout the bleeding part, would it bleed like period o jus a bit for jus a day?does it hurt a lot? thanks

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post Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM

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Just wanna ask, since the it says that an instrument would be inserted into the vagina.

So... um... would it damage the hymen? Or it won't go that deep? What if the doctor accidently slips and tears the hymen??

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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM)
Just wanna ask, since the it says that an instrument would be inserted into the vagina.

So... um... would it damage the hymen? Or it won't go that deep? What if the doctor accidently slips and tears the hymen??

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normally pap smears for those tat is not virgin...
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Oooh, sorry sorry. Blur already.
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Can pap smear detect endometriosis?
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QUOTE(fraulein @ Dec 12 2006, 01:02 AM)
Can pap smear detect endometriosis?
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i dont think so. pap smear is use to detect cervical cancer.
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QUOTE(merzchan @ Dec 12 2006, 01:16 AM)
i dont think so. pap smear is use to detect cervical cancer.
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But Malaysian said in the post above that pap smears are not for virgins but since you said it's used to detect cervical cancer, does that mean a virgin could and should also go for pap smears?
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I think virgin have less probability of getting such cancer.
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QUOTE(herr low @ Dec 12 2006, 12:17 PM)
I think virgin have less probability of getting such cancer.
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Absolutely untrue, one's virginity has nothing to do with it.
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So that means even virgins should go for checkup? I've asked about the chances of rupturing the hymen during checkup in my earlier post so... would/could the procedure rupture the hymen?
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 12 2006, 03:06 PM)
So that means even virgins should go for checkup? I've asked about the chances of rupturing the hymen during checkup in my earlier post so... would/could the procedure rupture the hymen?
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Pap smear done for married women or women who are sexually active only.
For virgins, pap smear is not required and so no question about rupturing the hymen.

As to why it was concluded that pap smear is unnecessary for virgins was because it was found that nuns have zero incidence of cervical cancer
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QUOTE(fraulein @ Dec 12 2006, 01:02 AM)
Can pap smear detect endometriosis?
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No. Based on clinical suspicion first and then on ultrasound of uterus.
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 12 2006, 03:06 PM)
So that means even virgins should go for checkup? I've asked about the chances of rupturing the hymen during checkup in my earlier post so... would/could the procedure rupture the hymen?
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if virgin has abnormal period or symptom..they have different kind of test for it.
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Depends on what kind of period and what symptoms. For virgins the diagnosis is usually derived from the history and an abdominal examination, a per-vaginal examination is NOT done and is replaced with a digital rectal examination if required. Most of the time an ultrasound of the lower abdomen is performed which is sufficient to rule out most diseases.
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bodhi, it doesnt mean that if u r a virgin, u will escape from having cervix ca. sexually active will pre dispose u getting it or increase the risk of having it..


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QUOTE(Clareen @ Nov 1 2006, 02:44 AM)
Ok i got a few questions. Some people insist that pap smears are only for married women. However i feel that it is really important to get it done annually at least. My mum managed to detect pre cancerous growth from her pap smear and fortunately it was still at a stage where an operation was all that was needed as it had not turned to cancer yet.
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How was the surgery Clareen?
Yes, it is recommended that females do a PAP every 2 years. A very simple procedure but saves a lot of lives.

QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM)
Just wanna ask, since the it says that an instrument would be inserted into the vagina.

So... um... would it damage the hymen? Or it won't go that deep? What if the doctor accidently slips and tears the hymen??

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We normally do not perform PAP on non-sexually active girls unless they insist.
The speculum is inserted all the way, so yea, it is deep

For those who are concern about this (especially those who have a family history of cancers) and age between 14-26, pls google 'HPV vaccine or Gardasil', a breakthrough in preventing cervical cancer, 1st vaccine available for cancer (other than Hep B vaccine which indirectly prevents)
This is not an advertisement, our duty includes providing sufficient information for patients to make an informed decision. Feel free to contact any hosp/clinic regarding this to know more.
And to medical students/medical staff, I suggest do sufficient research first before telling patients about the concept and effectiveness of vaccines. I am tired of ammending patient's misconception regarding vaccination due to incorrect/subjective information conveyed by undergrad med students.

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Another question here. Is there a specific period for us to have pap smear? I mean like 1 week before period or 1 week after period? Anything we should avoid before doing pap smear?
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painful or not?
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QUOTE(fraulein @ Feb 24 2007, 11:03 AM)
Another question here. Is there a specific period for us to have pap smear? I mean like 1 week before period or 1 week after period? Anything we should avoid before doing pap smear?
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is recommended to hv it 2 weeks after d 1st day of ur last period...

u shld avoid sexual intercourse d day b4 u had d test...n any other medication that u apply near ur vagina...

when i used to had training in d hospital....d result is actually ready by 2 days...
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QUOTE(jazzebelle_jazz @ Mar 5 2007, 07:10 AM)
painful or not?
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yaya.. painful or not geh? I remember they need to use a tool to open up our vagina right? It's a bit of nightmare to me. Will i bleed?
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QUOTE(Moonstroke @ Apr 6 2007, 12:24 AM)
yaya.. painful or not geh? I remember they need to use a tool to open up our vagina right? It's a bit of nightmare to me. Will i bleed?
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it very much depends on d skill of ur healthcare worker...

most of d time it is not painful....but some time, there will be bleeding, if d staff is too harsh on u or they use d wrong technique or mayb new staff still doesn't got d skill right...

is d same situation as blood taking.....some ppl would said that they had some different experience...some time is painful, sometime it is not...becoz if diff ppl redrawing their blood.
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wah.. you are so knowledgeable about this stuff ya... looks like i cannot go to government hospital if want to have this test next time:P.
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QUOTE(Moonstroke @ Apr 7 2007, 10:16 PM)
wah.. you are so knowledgeable about this stuff ya... looks like i cannot go to government hospital if want to have this test next time:P.
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yea, coz i had training in a hospital lab for 2 months...

i had to said that u can't underestimate government hospital when it comes to manual skills....coz d more practise d health worker got, the more skillful they will become.....n when u know d amount of patient they got per day compare to private hospital, u will get wat i meant...
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for virgins that is concer about cervical cancer you can opt go get ca125 blood test, it is used to detect cervical cancer as well. However it is not as accurate as pap smear, and the result may vary due to ur health conditions ie imflamations such as soar throat, it may tend to increase the ca 125 count. If u r planing to go on ca125 blood test please make sure that u r not on medication or having period or near to having period or just finish ur period. The ideal date for the ca12 blood test is around 1 to 2 weeks after period.

Hope this is informative enuf for those virgin that is concern about cervical cancer smile.gif
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Actually virgins do not need to go for pap smear test. This is because Cevical carcinoma is caused by HPV (Human papiloma virus) which is transmitted via sexual intercourse. This virus will trigger the cell proliferation in the cervix area and thus proceed to carcinoma (cancer). Other causes of cervical cancer is also through sexual intercourse.

So all the virgins out there, don't worry. As long as you are not engaged in sexual intercourse, there's no reason for you to undergo pap smear test.
This is a credential statement. tongue.gif
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not really blumaroz..
cancer wont chose a sexually active person only..
there are many cause of cervical cancer.. and it might not be the HPV that cause it but ur genetic etc..
so, a virgin also advised to take this test.. as you wont know the cancer existance until its too late as there are no sensory nerve down there..
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QUOTE(shue @ Jun 1 2007, 01:36 PM)
not really blumaroz..
cancer wont chose a sexually active person only..
there are many cause of cervical cancer.. and it might not be the HPV that cause it but ur genetic etc..
so, a virgin also advised to take this test.. as you wont know the cancer existance until its too late as there are no sensory nerve down there..
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Yeah, i agree with shue too. For your information everyone have cancer cells inside their body. Depend when it will turn to bad condition.
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Beside, that genetic might be one of the root cause. Family that has cancer history, they should really monitor their health seriously.
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QUOTE(Blumarooz @ May 6 2007, 01:48 PM)
Actually virgins do not need to go for pap smear test. This is because Cevical carcinoma is caused by HPV (Human papiloma virus) which is transmitted via sexual intercourse. This virus will trigger the cell proliferation in the cervix area and thus proceed to carcinoma (cancer). Other causes of cervical cancer is also through sexual intercourse.

So all the virgins out there, don't worry. As long as you are not engaged in sexual intercourse, there's no reason for you to undergo pap smear test.
This is a credential statement.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shue @ Jun 1 2007, 01:36 PM)
not really blumaroz..
cancer wont chose a sexually active person only..
there are many cause of cervical cancer.. and it might not be the HPV that cause it but ur genetic etc..
so, a virgin also advised to take this test.. as you wont know the cancer existance until its too late as there are no sensory nerve down there..
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this two statement very the contradicting

Blumarooz: you say yours is a credential statement.. care to explain more? are you in medical field? or you get that statement from somewhere/someone? unsure.gif


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phew, sounds scary. luckily im a guy! hehe
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QUOTE(Moonstroke @ Apr 7 2007, 10:16 PM)
wah.. you are so knowledgeable about this stuff ya... looks like i cannot go to government hospital if want to have this test next time:P.
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if u going..just look for gynae not normal clinic as gynae normally have more experience...gov hospital..better dun try....the problem with them is not related to their experience but working altitude.
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QUOTE(h0inerve @ Jul 14 2007, 09:17 AM)
phew, sounds scary. luckily im a guy! hehe
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Aug 28 2007, 09:26 AM)
if u going..just look for gynae not normal clinic as gynae normally have more experience...gov hospital..better dun try....the problem with them is not related to their experience but working altitude.
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A normal gynae clinic is good enough I think. Every gynae should train in these related areas before they can open a clinic. smile.gif
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Pap smear examination is not allowed to do on a virgin. cuz the procedure will tear the hymen.

Cervical cancer normally seen in sexually active women, but there are cases reported rare but it happens in virgins. studies shown there is a very close relationship between the cervical cancer and the HPV.

There is a HPV vaccine in the market. kinda pricey.. but it only cover 4 types of HPV and it is effective for those taken before the age of 26
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Aug 30 2007, 01:26 AM)
wait till you hear about how they check for prostate cancer... finger up the anus!
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eeiii...... sound likes gay.. kekekeke....
sometime dr will do their work in the unthinkable way that we hv evr think..
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Aug 30 2007, 01:26 AM)
wait till you hear about how they check for prostate cancer... finger up the anus!
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From the anus, u could palpate the prostate..

Is it hard or soft?
Is it big?
Is it moveable?
How is the membrane feel??


In gynacology case, for virgin, Vagina examination is not encouraged to be done, instead, it will be an anus check. As Vagina examination will rupture the hymen...
However, for some case, vagina examination is mandatory. In that case, The doctor will menyampaikan u 1 certificate -"congratulation, ur hymen is rupture because of a medical action" rclxms.gif Please remember, virgin is female that never hv sexual intercouse before, not depend on whether their hymen is intact or not.


Anyway, some onchologist categorize cervical cancer as sexual transmited disease, As HPV (human papiloma virus) has been found in 99& of the cervical cancer patient.. And how does HPV transmitted? BY sexual intercourse!! So, If u are still virgin, basically u are safe.

And if both u and ur bf/husband do not have other partner, then u are safe. There is no way the virus can be transmitted..

So, Here come the problem... Why can women get cervical cancer? Who is doing the wrong things?

So, guys, please always love ur gf or wife.. Sometimes what have u done may make them suffer.

Other things, CIN (cervical intraepithelial Neoplasm) aka the pre cervical cancer, is very very very currable. However, if u ignore the problem, in 8-10yrs, CIN will eventually become deadly cervical cancer.. And Pap smear is actually invented to screen CIN rather than cervical cancer..

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so scary la..
i got few bf b4, but current one last for about 2 years
b4 him last about 3 yrs...in btw got 1yr no bf..so...like this i should check right?

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when shall we start to test this??
i mean between what age??
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QUOTE(MaryWong @ Sep 20 2007, 01:43 PM)
so scary la..
i got few bf b4, but current one last for about 2 years
b4 him last about 3 yrs...in btw got 1yr no bf..so...like this i should check right?
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Female should start to do Pap smear test since they are sexually active (20-70). The interval of the test is at most 3 years once.. (better if 2 years once)

And based on the evidence base study, it can prevent 90% of cervical cancer!!

I think female should really really think about it very seriosly..


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btw, how much does the test cost


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If you look at current evidence, the recommendation is to start pap smear screening at the age of 25 (if you're sexually active). The reason is that screening has not been shown to reduce the rate of cancer in women below 25. Furthermore, the number of abnormal smears not due to cancer will be high (mainly due to transient HPV infection) and this will lead to unnecessary worry and procedures....

Also, as long as your pap smear is normal, the recommendation is for a 3-yearly smear and not more frequent than that.

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Depends on where you do it. It can be as cheap as RM10-20 in family planning clinics and more expensive at GP....

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This topic remind me that i have pass my due date 4 d recent papsmear test tongue.gif
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free in government clinics.

will only cost u ur time if u go at d wrong time, hehe.
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The test should be started when you are sexually active.

There is a vaccine available now against the human pappiloma virus that causes cervical cancer. It is highly recommended that you take this vaccine.
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The test should be started when you are sexually active.

There is a vaccine available now against the human pappiloma virus that causes cervical cancer. It is highly recommended that you take this vaccine.
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Yup. There are 2 vaccines in the market now - "Gardasil" and "Cervarix". They are relatively very new products. Studies up to now indicates that the vaccines are very effective in preventing cervical cancer in the future. Recommended for women up to age 26 years old although there are on-going studies to see whether older or infected women would benefit from it.
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i think if really want to check,go for specialist - gynae.

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"pap smear is showing inflammatory changes. otherwise normal."

what does it mean guys?
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huhuhu.....i m scared to go for papsmear too. kena kangkang infron og doctor,shy... blush.gif
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yeah anybody can recommend a good place? and pricing too... whoa very shy unsure.gif
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Uhh. I was thinking of PJ Area actually.

Thought want to go Sunway Medical Center, what's your opinion?
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The last time I did it was 2 years ago at Pantai Medical Centre. blush.gif

It hurts. cry.gif
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A small amount of bleeding may occur after the test. <<<----OMG~ nearly faint when i c these! ...


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The last time I did it was 2 years ago at Pantai Medical Centre. blush.gif

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painful??

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For those who have never had their pap smear before, it doesn't hurt that much, you'll feel the discomfort, but if you try to relax, it helps.

It's normal to have spotting (small amount of blood) after the smear, so nothing to worry about.

The public clinics provide this test - I know this because my mom's working in one and she's performing smear tests for people.
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It costs RM30 at Twin Towers Medical Centre for the pap smear test.. smile.gif
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gals .. pls go for pap smear if ur

-sexually active b4 the age of 21
-recommended 3 years after sexual exposure
-for girls who changes their partners frequently
-ONE night stand ? forget about this sentence - never ever go for it !! high risk group
-age > 30,married - 1 year once until u obtain a consecutive 3 negative results - then proceed with once in 2 years


ps-the HPV virus will manifest in you around the age of 20+ and u will manifest with the disease only at the age of 30 or 40+,its a very slow growing virus and depends on the virus trand itself..

so screening is important !!

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QUOTE(jez9 @ Mar 30 2008, 02:37 PM)
gals .. pls go for pap smear if ur

-sexually active b4 the age of 21
-recommended 3 years after sexual exposure
-for girls who changes their partners frequently
-ONE night stand ? forget about this sentence - never ever go for it !! high risk group
-age > 30,married - 1 year once until u obtain a consecutive 3 negative results - then proceed with once in 2 years
ps-the HPV virus will manifest in you around the age of 20+ and u will manifest with the disease only at the age of 30 or 40+,its a very slow growing virus and depends on the virus trand itself..

so screening is important !!
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Sorry to say but your information is not in accordance with national guidelines.

For Malaysia, the recommendation is sexually active women between the age of 20-65 years old should be screened. If the first 2 consecutive pap smear (yearly) are normal, a 3 yearly screen is recommended, provided all the smears are normal.

For UK, women are invited to start screening at age 25. 3-yearly screen until age 50, then 5-yearly screen until age 65.... smile.gif

It is not because of a slow growing HPV that leads to cervical cancer, it is because of persistence of infection with high-risk HPV viruses. Most HPV infections are transient (about 4/5 of infected women clear their infection without developing any abnormal smear....) wink.gif
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erm... i've heard the guidelines u mentioned above.does it apply to non-sexually active women as well?
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erm... i've heard the guidelines u mentioned above.does it apply to non-sexually active women as well?
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It doesn't apply to those who has never had sexual intercourse before i.e. a virgin.

It does, however, apply to those currently not active sexually but had experienced sexual intercourse before, irregardless of the duration of the last sexual intercourse.....

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hi, i'd like to go for pap smear test, any recommendation of clinic/doctor? blush.gif

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Hi all,
Kudos to every1 who contributed to this thread..informative indeed

Would like to ask the floor for recommendation for female body check / health screening, any recommendable female gynae in KL or Selangor area? Wanted to bring my gf to check, she's shy and nervous coz 1st time checking, so any kind soul please help me out. Tq.


Added on June 6, 2008, 12:14 amNo one kind enuf to help me out here? sad.gif

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i did mine for less than RM100 and the doc is a lady doctor. her clinic is now near kampung kerinchi.

regardless your age and sexual history, it's good to have precautions. i read an article on this woman who's 24 and the doctor told her she's too young to have a pap smear and now she has cervical cancer.

take care of ourselves, gals!!
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QUOTE(D80 @ Jun 4 2008, 12:37 AM)
Hi all,
Kudos to every1 who contributed to this thread..informative indeed

Would like to ask the floor for recommendation for female body check / health screening, any recommendable female gynae in KL or Selangor area? Wanted to bring my gf to check, she's shy and nervous coz 1st time checking, so any kind soul please help me out. Tq.


Added on June 6, 2008, 12:14 amNo one kind enuf to help me out here?  sad.gif
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hmm she's not comfortable with a male gynae?
depending on your budget also..
i did my pap-smear test once at pantai cheras under dr.ho choon moy..
she's okay.. very quick..and the nurses are friendly
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Oh, pantai cheras hospital..
May i know how much to anticipate?
Thanks alot..
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Oh, pantai  cheras hospital..
May i know how much to anticipate?
Thanks alot..
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it depends actually..
government hospitals are definitely cheaper in ways but not so sure about the handling process anyway..
it cost about RM150.. you should ask the price first.. it's good to go for body check ups from top to toe at least once a year...
oh and blood test too..
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QUOTE(elena_k @ Jun 11 2008, 01:41 PM)
it depends actually..
government hospitals are definitely cheaper in ways but not so sure about the handling process anyway..
it cost about RM150.. you should ask the price first.. it's good to go for body check ups from top to toe at least once a year...
oh and blood test too..
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Yar, no gov hospital for this kinda things for me.. i actualli wanted to do the whole body check-up, datz why abit concern about the cost sweat.gif

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Yar, no gov hospital for this kinda things for me.. i actualli wanted to do the whole body check-up, datz why abit concern about the cost  sweat.gif

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Hmm I think whole body check-up with blood test and pap smear is about RM600 plus, if I'm not mistaken..
You could call Dr. Ho @ 03-91320800 and inquire.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(elena_k @ Jun 12 2008, 11:07 AM)
Hmm I think whole body check-up with blood test and pap smear is about RM600 plus, if I'm not mistaken..
You could call Dr. Ho @ 03-91320800 and inquire.. smile.gif
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Thanks alot for ur advise, will do consult with my gurl. tongue.gif rclxms.gif notworthy.gif
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If anyone wants to do a pap smear test - remember to ask whether is a thin prep. Read here for more info http://www.thinprep.com/cervical-screening/thinprep.html

If u r refering Woman's health Screening - there are 2 types that a woman should look into. One is below 40 & one is above 40 yrs old. All woman above 40 yrs old should go for mamogram (to detect breast cancer).But if you have family history of breast cancer like mom, aunties, sisters etc, then you may do mamogram at the age of above 30+.

If any female is sexually active one must not hide from your gynae and don't be shy and afraid to tell your medical history. Best time to do your pap smear is 2 weeks after your menstrual.If you find that you are comfortable with female gynae go for female and if you don't mind any gender then it's ok

If do pap smear only is cheap but if you wanna do whole female check up with the specialist, the cost is higher. Most of private hospitals will have female health Screening and good gynae.

You may call up the private hospitals to find out who are their gynae or email them and ask them for a list of gynae list.Ask for their credentials or visit the hospitals website to get the doc's list. You can even ask them the woman health screening package price to be emailed to you. And do a comparison.

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dont worry...

Ca cerviks occure when...

sexually active-changing partner
many children
u married with guy who his previous wife died due to cervical ca
multiple partner...

coz this disease it coz by HPV virus which is sexual transmitted disease...

if u r virgin, dis wouldnt be a problem...

so no need for you to do the pap smear.... n it is not rekomended though...

n it is better if you do the pap smear yearly...


sorry, my english is not good...



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i have been went to injection of cervical cancer prevention before doing this test... so recommend that i go to this test too??
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The vacination only covers a few strands of viruses at present and not all




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i have been went to injection of cervical cancer prevention before doing this test... so recommend that i go to this test too??
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i have been went to injection of cervical cancer prevention before doing this test... so recommend that i go to this test too??
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At the moment, the recommendation for pap smear has not changed, irregardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not.

Until there are more data/results from long-term studies, you should still do pap smear regularly.

As mentioned by Glamourousfit, current vaccine only covers 2 subtypes (not strands wink.gif ) of the viruses that cause cervical cancer. Note that these 2 subtypes are the main culprit for cervical cancer. The vaccine still don't cover many other minor subtypes.....

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At the moment, the recommendation for pap smear has not changed, irregardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not.

Until there are more data/results from long-term studies, you should still do pap smear regularly.

As mentioned by Glamourousfit, current vaccine only covers 2 subtypes (not strands  wink.gif ) of the viruses that cause cervical cancer. Note that these 2 subtypes are the main culprit for cervical cancer. The vaccine still don't cover many other minor subtypes.....
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ohh gooohhhhsssss... then i should go for test regulary... emmm thankx for all ur info... it help lotz... thankx~~ notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 24 2008, 05:54 PM)
At the moment, the recommendation for pap smear has not changed, irregardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not.

Until there are more data/results from long-term studies, you should still do pap smear regularly.

As mentioned by Glamourousfit, current vaccine only covers 2 subtypes (not strands  wink.gif ) of the viruses that cause cervical cancer. Note that these 2 subtypes are the main culprit for cervical cancer. The vaccine still don't cover many other minor subtypes.....
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Currently there are 2 types of vaccination, 1 cover 2 subtypes (HPV 16,18) and the other covers 4 subtypes (6,11,16,18). Cervical cancer mainly caused by HPV 16,18. However, these new vaccination still need long term trial to determine the real effectiveness. So Pap smear is still very important in the screening of cervical cancer. Specialist also recommend woman come for regular Pap Smear although they have been vaccinated.
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gosh i must get this done...
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QUOTE(meiteoh @ Nov 2 2005, 09:16 AM)
It costs around RM100 including lab tests for the cells. I went to TTDI's Apollo clinic to get mine done - female gyne AND very friendly. Results come out in two weeks. Pretty fast.
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it caused RM100 in the private sector??? wow!! it's such a simple procedure, i've been doing it for patients and i never realise how much they are charging outside... go to the government health clinics la....

the problem with today's women is that they perform PAP smear once, got a normal results, and assumed that they are save from cervical carcinoma.... they are WRONG.... PAP smear should be perform in all sexually women for 3 years, and if results were all normal, she can repeat them every 3 years. CIN when detected early cam be easily treated and it can save your life!


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QUOTE
for virgins that is concer about cervical cancer you can opt go get ca125 blood test, it is used to detect cervical cancer as well. However it is not as accurate as pap smear, and the result may vary due to ur health conditions ie imflamations such as soar throat, it may tend to increase the ca 125 count. If u r planing to go on ca125 blood test please make sure that u r not on medication or having period or near to having period or just finish ur period. The ideal date for the ca12 blood test is around 1 to 2 weeks after period.
Unfortunately this is not true at all. Tumour marker is never a mean to screen for cervical cancer. Pap smear is still the best screening test.

Gals, pls don't have to worry about where is the best place to do Pap smear. It does not have to be expensive private hospital. It's a simple procedure to be done and all hospitals, and most of the clinics can do it. If the result is abnormal, you'll be referred to a gynecologist.

Yes, every sexually active female should do this screening. It's for your own good. Early detection significantly makes the prognosis (outcome) more favourable.

Lastly, yes the vaccine is recommended. The age limit (9-26 years old) stated is due to the large-scale study was conducted in such a range of age. So the result (effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing cervical cancer) can only be applied to this age group for now. Of course, more studies are being conducted for a wider age group, and in future, we can expect a larger coverage. The vaccine is quite costly, RM400 each and you need total of 3 doses, so around RM1200.

Hope these help. smile.gif
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ca125 cancer tumor is meant for ovarian cancer
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QUOTE(celyn @ Jul 10 2008, 03:45 PM)
the problem with today's women is that they perform PAP smear once, got a normal results, and assumed that they are save from cervical carcinoma.... they are WRONG.... PAP smear should be perform in all sexually women for 3 years, and if results were all normal, she can repeat them every 3 years. CIN when detected early cam be easily treated and it can save your life!
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Yes, agree with celyn. Most of them think that they are free of cervical cancer life-long when the report come out as normal and nv come for PAP smear anymore until they have symptoms.
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Is that mean that we need to do this test every 3 years? hmm.gif
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Is that mean that we need to do this test every 3 years?Ā  hmm.gif
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Only if the report come out as normal for 3 consecutive years. If not they will ask u to come again after 3 or 6 months to redo it again.

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I used to be in hospital cytological lab be4 . For gals, who r married and sexually active, it is a must . Its a simple n painless but maybe uncomfortable for some women.
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there is a full body checkup package which includes pap smear for RM180 in some clinic in puchong. I think is quite worth the money =)
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wat is the suitable age to have pap smear test?or in wat condition?
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i've done it 4 times ... and it's real uncomfortable !

did it with private gynae clinics. The reports back are quite comprehensive list.

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There's a new Sanitary Napkins in the market called LoveMoon Anion. The good thing about this brand is, it comes with a revolutionary Vaginal Test Card for FREE. It wont provide an eloborate & detailed report of your vaginal health status but its really good to know the vagina health condition.

It comes in a neat wrapper containing a test card, an indicator card and a swab. Very much like the pregnancy test card.

Hope this might help to spare your blushes, time and money.

Link to the site <<Klik here


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hey, this is interesting, should go and try out.
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QUOTE(InNet @ Oct 10 2008, 03:35 AM)
There's a new Sanitary Napkins in the market called LoveMoon Anion. The good thing about this brand is, it comes with a revolutionary Vaginal Test Card for FREE. It wont provide an eloborate & detailed report of your vaginal health status but its really good to know the vagina health condition.

It comes in a neat wrapper containing a test card, an indicator card and a swab. Very much like the pregnancy test card.

Hope this might help to spare your blushes, time and money.

Link to the site <<Klik here


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Is this thing certified or approved by MOH??
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Hm..
Never heard of this before..
Is it certified by the MOH?

Anyway, Pap smear is still the gold standard for screening cervical cancers;
especially at the early phase.
Remember, cervical cancer takes 10 years to progress from abnormal cells,
so, Pap smear is super important!!
It saves lifes from cervical cancer..
better endure the pain from screening rather than endure the pain of cervical cancer

It is recommended for all sexually active ladies, done yearly for 3x until u get normal result.
If abnormal cells are found, normally it'll be removed, via surgery/medication, and you are "cured" , no worries!

But if you leave it there, it'll grow and grow.. and turn malignant and may possibly spread to the liver, lungs, and bones..

well, from what i heard is, there is another ongoing trail for the vaccine.. it'll protect up to 10 strainz!
So.. the $ of the 2strain vaccine is going to drop for sure biggrin.gif
if your aim is to protect against cervical cancer, the bivalent (2subtype) vaccine is sufficient.. if im not mistaken, max age is 40 years
if you are scared of warts and all... then, u might opt for the 4 subtype vaccine <- this, max age is 28 years.
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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 14 2008, 01:11 AM)
Anyway, Pap smear is still the gold standard for screening cervical cancers;
especially at the early phase.
Remember, cervical cancer takes 10 years to progress from abnormal cells,
so, Pap smear is super important!!
It saves lifes from cervical cancer..
better endure the pain from screening rather than endure the pain of cervical cancer
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Pap smear indeed is a very sensitive and high specificity screening tool. it's cheap and easily done. it's important, especialy for those sexually active women.

QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 14 2008, 01:11 AM)
It is recommended for all sexually active ladies, done yearly for 3x until u get normal result.
If abnormal cells are found, normally it'll be removed, via surgery/medication, and you are "cured" , no worries!
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yes, recommend for all sexually active ladies, but you dun need to do 3 times until you get normal result.
for age below 30, 3 yearly pap smear is recommended, in fact, it's carry out in government clinic for all sexually active women as primary screening tools if patients comes in with gynae problem.
if abnormal cells are found, it depends on staging...
early stage is very easy to treat...but if late stage might be a bit difficult.

QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 14 2008, 01:11 AM)
well, from what i heard is, there is another ongoing trail for the vaccine.. it'll protect up to 10 strainz!
So.. the $ of the 2strain vaccine is going to drop for sure  biggrin.gif
if your aim is to protect against cervical cancer, the bivalent (2subtype) vaccine is sufficient.. if im not mistaken, max age is 40 years
if you are scared of warts and all... then, u might opt for the 4 subtype vaccine <- this, max age is 28 years.
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vaccine for HPV is already in the market, if you're sexually active already...there's no point to take the vaccine ...
it's highly recommended for those sexually inactive girls...and u need to know HPV transmit by guys...
previously, there's recommendation of vaccinate guys as well tongue.gif, because they are the "vectors"..haha tongue.gif
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QUOTE(klifex @ Nov 14 2008, 02:29 AM)
Pap smear indeed is a very sensitive and high specificity screening tool. it's cheap and easily done. it's important, especialy for those sexually active women.
yes, recommend for all sexually active ladies, but you dun need to do 3 times until you get normal result.
for age below 30, 3 yearly pap smear is recommended, in fact, it's carry out in government clinic for all sexually active women as primary screening tools if patients comes in with gynae problem.
if abnormal cells are found, it depends on staging...
early stage is very easy to treat...but if late stage might be a bit difficult.
vaccine for HPV is already in the market, if you're sexually active already...there's no point to take the vaccine ...
it's highly recommended for those sexually inactive girls...and u need to know HPV transmit by guys...
previously, there's recommendation of vaccinate guys as well tongue.gif, because they are the "vectors"..haha tongue.gif
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Yes,

3 yearly = once yearly for 3 times, so when i said 3 times ( the doc will tell u that u'll have to do 3 times in 3 years ) it's means the same thing lah biggrin.gif .

Why do we have to do 3 times, because there is a chance of missing the lesion; probably due to technique problem, staining problem.. etc.. and y women still get cervical cancer even though people doing pap smear is increasing? It's because they do not follow this regime. So, please don't misguide people by saying "you dun need to do 3 times until you get normal result."

The point im telling about the 10 subtype vaccine is because the $ of the bivalent vaccine will drop.
Nothing to do with sexually active or not. whistling.gif

haha.. yes i heard about vaccinating guys. it's because now, they found out that nasopharyngeal cancer and esophageal cancer is now found in young girls.. why? because of oral *** and they get the HPV !! doh.gif HPV found in the histology of the ca!! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif


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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 14 2008, 07:12 PM)
Yes,

3 yearly = once yearly for 3 times, so when i said 3 times ( the doc will tell u that u'll have to do 3 times in 3 years ) it's means the same thing lah  biggrin.gif .

Why do we have to do 3 times, because there is a chance of missing the lesion; probably due to technique problem, staining problem.. etc.. and y women still get cervical cancer even though people doing pap smear is increasing? It's because they do not follow this regime. So, please don't misguide people by saying "you dun need to do 3 times until you get normal result."

The point im telling about the 10 subtype vaccine is because the $ of the bivalent vaccine will drop.
Nothing to do with sexually active or not. whistling.gif

haha.. yes i heard about vaccinating guys. it's because now, they found out that nasopharyngeal cancer and esophageal cancer is now found in young girls.. why? because of oral *** and they get the HPV !!  doh.gif  HPV found in the histology of the ca!!  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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frankly speaking, i'm not misguiding people...
if you read some medical journals, the recommendation are -
within 3 years after first sexual contact and 3 yearly ( means every 3 year, not once yearly for 3 years..then i'll just straight away say annually already...right? brows.gif )

of course, pap smear sensitivity also depends on the experience and operator's technic. a good gynae doctor should be able to obtain a good smear.

why women still get cervical ca even though people doing pap smear increasing?
haha..this is a good question...i asked my brother before( he's a doctor).
this is because, previously, when pap smear was not popular, women only comes to doctor when they got serious problems like pervaginal bleeding, some lumps felt over the region, or other metastases symptoms etc. (but it's already in quite a late stage)
now a days, with pap smear, the detection is very sensitive, it can detect some very early changes even before it changed into neoplastic cell(cancer cell) it's call a metaplastic phase.
with more people doing pap smear, the pickup rate among general population increase...so as those who being detected to have cervical ca.(hope u understand nod.gif )

about the point which i mentioned about the vaccination on sexually active women..

Ideally females should get the vaccine before they become sexually active, when they may be exposed to HPV. Females who are sexually active may also benefit from the vaccine, but they may get less benefit from it. This is because they may have already gotten an HPV type targeted by the vaccine. Few sexually active young women are infected with all HPV types covered by the vaccine so they would still get protection from those types they have not yet gotten.
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remember, pap smear prevents cervical cancer..
vaccine also prevents it!
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yup, prevention is better than cure..
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But it expensive. I have to disagree with the statement that in sexually active women there's no point taking the vaccine.

It is useful! Even in sexually active women because that's when they have highest risk of getting HPV. So happen IF they already have HPV, it does not cause cancer straight away. Before it does, the vaccine will help prevent the cancer formation. Simple terms, it prevents cancer in sexually active and inactive.

In fact the statement should be.. HPV vaccine is NOT necessary in virgins, but once they are sexually active they should take the vaccine to prevent Cervical cancer because they're now exposed to HPV smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Nov 18 2008, 09:14 PM)
But it expensive. I have to disagree with the statement that in sexually active women there's no point taking the vaccine.

It is useful! Even in sexually active women because that's when they have highest risk of getting HPV. So happen IF they already have HPV, it does not cause cancer straight away. Before it does, the vaccine will help prevent the cancer formation. Simple terms, it prevents cancer in sexually active and inactive.

In fact the statement should be.. HPV vaccine is NOT necessary in virgins, but once they are sexually active they should take the vaccine to prevent Cervical cancer because they're now exposed to HPV smile.gif
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i think you get the concept wrong already...
you have to understand the nature of HPV virus, these virus cannot be treated completely once you infected with it. the reason why most people doesn't have problems with HPV is because of our immune system which control the virus. Most of the time, it stays as "dormant" state in our body.

the HPV vaccine aims to give immunization to virgins to certain viral strain. strain 16,18 (high risk) while quadrivalent 6,11,16,18 (6,11 cause genital warts). the concept is same like hepatitis B, you dun give them after you infected with hepatitis B ( useless already...right?).
once you're sexually active, yes, within 3 months(maximum limit after exposure), you must get yourself vaccinated, else, after 3 month, virus started to establish in the body. there's nothing much you can do.

HPV itself is associated with neoplastic of cervical mucosa, because they noticed HPV virus within the neoplastic cells. however, how long it takes for it to become cancerous is still unknown...
Those who develop cervical cancer are those high risk group who have recurrent HPV infection...
however, cervical ca is very uncommon in sexually inactive group, that's why, pap smear is not indicated for those sexually inactive women.

the researchers evaluate the outcome between HPV vaccinated sexually active women and those who are not vaccinated with HPV vaccine(control group).
they noticed there's not much difference in the viral clearence between the group with vaccination and control group.
the theory behind this test is that human body does produce antibody against the HPV virus after exposure to clear the virus.
so, they give immunization to the subjects and see whether it helps to produce more antibody to fight against virus.
the result is not significant.

well, there's still some controversial whether this vaccine are indicated for those who are already exposed...
of course, as manufacturer, and pharmacy, they'll do everything to get into you wallet...
the best choice : go and get professional advice from a gynaecologist.

this is my modified statement tongue.gif
get the vaccine when you're still virgin!!! icon_idea.gif
if you're not virgin anymore, but with protected sex activity(100% protection=nvr missed a time putting up barrier protection), there's still some chance the vaccine works for you...(jus incase you havent expose to).. sweat.gif
if you're having unprotected sex activities, ... it's totally up to you, but the effect is not significant. hmm.gif
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vaccine is only useful for those who not yet infected by HVP.
If you are active in sex , and luckly not get infected after test, then u should take vaccine. It cost about RM1k i think.

Pap test just to c whether you are infected or not , not to prevent. But mostly HVP can be cured/control if you discover early.

Some women kena HVP but the HVP wont turn to cancer. There is a chance of man kena HVP oso.... of course after that it turn to another cancer but not cervic cancer.
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QUOTE(makinglife @ Nov 19 2008, 12:04 PM)
vaccine is only useful for those who not yet infected by HVP.
If you are active in sex , and luckly not get infected after test, then u should take vaccine. It cost about RM1k i think.

Pap test just to c whether you are infected or not , not to prevent. But mostly HVP can be cured/control if you discover early.

Some women kena HVP but the HVP wont turn to cancer. There is a chance of man kena HVP oso.... of course after that it turn to another cancer but not cervic cancer.
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I wish to make this really really clear

cervical cancer -

- KILLs ( this is not a joke)
- up to 80% is caused by HPV ( not HVP) : Human papillomavirus subtype 16,18
- IT is preventable

How to prevent it?
- do pap smear ( recommended yearly for 3 years - to reduce the chances of getting a false negative )
- vaccination against HPV

How does pap smear help?
- It picks up early changes in the cervix
*** very early stages of cervical cancer has no symptoms ****

remember, it takes [I]10 years to progress from abnormal cells to cancer, thats why pap smear is really good[/I]
if there are early changes, we shall stop it, halt the process before it goes on to cancerous stage.

Another thing,
latest news - A new study has found for the first time Gardasil can be used to immunise men as well, showing it stopped HPV-related genital warts in 90 per cent of cases.


Added on November 20, 2008, 12:11 am
QUOTE(klifex @ Nov 19 2008, 05:16 AM)
if you're not virgin anymore, but with protected sex activity(100% protection=nvr missed a time putting up barrier protection),
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sorry to say,
nothing is 100% in this world.
you can still get HIV , Hep B or C, and HPV even with the condom on

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yup, because the condom is not 100% impermeable..
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The most common causes of getting STD with the condom on is because of
breakage, shocking.gif
slippage, shakehead.gif
failure to use them throughout intercourse. sweat.gif

This is why it is important to
- check your condom before wearing it - see if the packet is torn / check for visible breaks
- wear it correctly
- use it throughout the intercourse

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Too tired to give any more explanations as each people have their own views. When you go out there and actually give people the vaccine or read about them, the conclusion is basically give the vaccine when she's a virgin or even when she's not a virgin. It helps both ways. Only way it doesnt help is when she already has cancer or the virus is already mutating her cells causing her to get cancer smile.gif
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the vaccine will stimulate your immunity to that virus,HPV that can cause cancer of the cervix if u r infected with
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o hai, can anyone recommend a gyno who does pap smear tests on sunday? the hospital in sunway and glen eagles both don't provide that testing on sunday sleep.gif how leh sleep.gif i'm working every other day sighhhh
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take a time shift to do it...it takes less than 15 mins for the whole process...
go to private clinic is faster...trust me.
let's say you clinic @ 9, by 10am u can go back to your work. simple.


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yup, it just scrap some tissue for sample and send to lab.then,u can get the result later..
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http://www.webindia123.com/health/tests/women/pap.htm



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Hope those who are professional or doctor can help me answer my question :

1. I know pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before. But virgin are allowed to do pap smear or not ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

2. My best friend who suspected have uterus cancer already done pap smear after adviced by doctor but she is a virgin. So can this incident happen ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

Thanks u very much ~ notworthy.gif
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this is a little off topic, should b under uterine cancer and pap smear.
But, oh well ...

1. I know pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before. But virgin are allowed to do pap smear or not ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

Virgins are not recommended to have pap smear.
It'll be very traumatizing and hurtful!

2. My best friend who suspected have uterus cancer already done pap smear after adviced by doctor but she is a virgin. So can this incident happen ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)


Uterine cancer and cervical cancer are two very different things.
Pap smear screens for cervical cancer not uterine cancer.
You can not diagnose uterine cancer from pap smear!! ( oh well, unless the uterine cancer is huge and sloughs off the cells to the cervical canal!)
Risk factor for uterine cancer is obesity, single , never give birth before, late menopause etc...

3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

Good question.
Actually, there are no screening test for uterine cancer..
The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.
But, most uterine cancer patients come very late.
Normally they consult the traditional med pplz.. which is kinda sad..

Hope this helps yungseng

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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 23 2008, 11:33 PM)
this is a little off topic, should b under uterine cancer and pap smear.
But, oh well ...

1. I know pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before. But virgin are allowed to do pap smear or not ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

Virgins are not recommended to have pap smear.
It'll be very traumatizing and hurtful!

2. My best friend who suspected have uterus cancer already done pap smear after adviced by doctor but she is a virgin. So can this incident happen ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)


Uterine cancer and cervical cancer are two very different things.
Pap smear screens for cervical cancer not uterine cancer.
You can not diagnose uterine cancer from pap smear!! ( oh well, unless the uterine cancer is huge and sloughs off the cells to the cervical canal!)
Risk factor for uterine cancer is obesity, single , never give birth before, late menopause etc...

3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

Good question.
Actually, there are no screening test for uterine cancer..
The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.
But, most uterine cancer patients come very late.
Normally they consult the traditional med pplz.. which is kinda sad..

Hope this helps yungseng
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Thanks and appreciate for your help notworthy.gif

Pap smear screens for cervical cancer not uterine cancer. You can not diagnose uterine cancer from pap smear!!

However, in http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/u/uterine_cancer/intro.htm show that uterine cancer can be test by pap smear. So any comments ? (Sorry not to offend you but I just want to clear my confuse only)

The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.

How to check ? By what exam / test ?

Another questions :
1. Will virgin get uterine cancer ?

2. Will virgin get cervical cancer ?

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However, in http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/u/uterine_cancer/intro.htm show that uterine cancer can be test by pap smear. So any comments ? (Sorry not to offend you but I just want to clear my confuse only)



What you saw was this izit?
"Diagnostic Tests for Uterine Cancer
# Physical exam
# Pelvic exam
# Pap smear "

hmm.gif
Personally, I'm surprised to see that stated there!
Why?

1. It has been studied that pap smear's "diagnostic sensitivity is
highest (BEST) for (detecting cervical cancer) invasive endocervical adenocarcinoma and
lowest (not reliable) for diagnosis of (uterine cancer) endometrial adenocarcinoma."
- taken from a research paper published in 2000 Diagnostic Cytopathology.

So this means that, it is not the screening tool of choice because chances to miss uterine cancer is HIGH.
Since it chances to miss it is HIGH, doctors do not use it on uterine cancer at all -

2. Uterine cancer (endometrial cancer) means that the endometrium (cells) is the lining of the uterus is cancerous.
This sits far above the cervix.
Logically,
a Pap smear doesn't test it
It was designed to look for the cervical cells.
Unless like i said in the previous post, it is a large huge cancer bulk that is shedding its cells into the cervical canal! Then at this time the cancer which would be very very advanced, and it would be very obvious to the doctor that you are having uterine cancer.
This time around, the doctor would have used the ultrasound ( which is less invasive) to look into your abdomen instead of sticking a wooden spatula into your private parts.

The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.

How to check ? By what exam / test ?


1. Ultrasound of the uterus and the surrounding area

Another questions :
1. Will virgin get uterine cancer ?

Research have shown that people who are obese, smokes, single, never got pregnant before has a higher chance.

2. Will virgin get cervical cancer ?

The risk is lower because they are not exposed to HPV which causes 80-90% of cervical cancers.

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wow,good explaination there.. u can become a dr.. tongue.gif
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3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

it's commonly seen in post menopausal women, also in peri menopausal women...predisposing factors as mentioned, nulliparous, polycystic ovarian syndrome, obesity, hypertension, diabetes.

to diagnose carcinoma of endometrium, need a good history..
usually they present with irregular per vaginal bleeding, spotting.
in pre-menopausal women, what is significant is that they have intermenstrual bleeding...
weight lost and lose of appetite is also one of the symptoms, but it can apply to most of the malignancies or chronic disease.


usually, vaginal examination finding is unremarkable...
in later stage, you might find a growth at the cervix, in the sense if the tunour spread to cervix.
bimanual examination will reveal a large uterus.
if disease spread to the ovaries and tubes, mass can be felt either one side or both.

to confirm the diagnosis, we need to take a proper biopsy by formal dilatation and curettage or a pippele sampling.
another method is to use hysteroscope to look into the endometrium.

then follow by a CT scan to see the extension of spread and staging.


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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 24 2008, 05:55 PM)

However, in http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/u/uterine_cancer/intro.htm show that uterine cancer can be test by pap smear. So any comments ? (Sorry not to offend you but I just want to clear my confuse only)

What you saw was this izit?
"Diagnostic Tests for Uterine Cancer
# Physical exam
# Pelvic exam
# Pap smear "

hmm.gif
Personally, I'm surprised to see that stated there!
Why?

1. It has been studied that pap smear's "diagnostic sensitivity is
highest (BEST) for (detecting cervical cancer) invasive endocervical adenocarcinoma and
lowest (not reliable) for diagnosis of (uterine cancer) endometrial adenocarcinoma."
- taken from a research paper published in 2000 Diagnostic Cytopathology.

So this means that, it is not the screening tool of choice because chances to miss uterine cancer is HIGH.
Since it chances to miss it is HIGH, doctors do not use it on uterine cancer at all -

2. Uterine cancer (endometrial cancer) means that the endometrium (cells) is the lining of the uterus is cancerous.
This sits far above the cervix.
Logically,
a Pap smear doesn't test it
It was designed to look for the cervical cells.
Unless like i said in the previous post, it is a large huge cancer bulk that is shedding its cells into the cervical canal! Then at this time the cancer which would be very very advanced, and it would be very obvious to the doctor that you are having uterine cancer.
This time around, the doctor would have used the ultrasound ( which is less invasive) to look into your abdomen instead of sticking a wooden spatula into your private parts.

The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.

How to check ? By what exam / test ?


1. Ultrasound of the uterus and the surrounding area

Another questions :
1. Will virgin get uterine cancer ?

Research have shown that people who are obese, smokes, single, never got pregnant before has a higher chance.

2. Will virgin get cervical cancer ?

The risk is lower because they are not exposed to HPV which causes 80-90% of cervical cancers.
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Research have shown that people who are obese, smokes, single, never got pregnant before has a higher chance.

Are "single" = virgin ?
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single doesn't means virgin.
that's why the doctor always ask whether she's sexually active or not..
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yes.. i meant virgin. :")

Hmm..
another thing to add..
endometrial cancer mostly occurs in the postmenopausal age..
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usually at that age all they do is total hysterectomy..
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Wah liao... you aspect people of decent intelligence to understand all your medical talk? Hmm.. should learn to start talking in layman terms, definitely helpful for your future practice! Cheerios! smile.gif
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I know it's a little sign0006.gif but.. oh well..

hmm.gif we respond looking at the level of education of the given situation.
If a nurse coming as a patient and starts using jargon, you'll sure to follow suit.
Here, if some of us starts using jargon, you can ask to what he/she means.
Well, this is a forum, aka 2 way thing. Nobody'll make fun of you! and we would be happy to help.
And, i'm sure at this Google Age, you can type in "define hysterectomy" " hysterectomy" and pop, your answer is there.

Hence, fireball,
All of us are human beings trying to be the better man. We are constantly learning. We make mistakes. We rectify them. We change.
Anyway, just my 2 cents, please do suggest things a nicer way.. others might be offended easily.
We are trying our best to help, and hope you do the same too. icon_rolleyes.gif smile.gif

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well, medical field is broad, a lot of things has to be taken into consideration before a decision is made.

website serve as a guidance only, human presentation can be very variable...that's why, in the end, we need doctor to get to the final diagnosis.

anyway, not all sources are correct. especially the wikipaedia one...haha ...
you should check on to medical journals, recognized health society, clinical practice guidelines which give the correct description.

about the hysterectomy, i couldn't really give you the answer, because there's no scenario given.

but if you refer to cancer of the uterus,
yes, no choice - you have to do totaly hysterectomy, in addition, both ovary also have to remove. even at stage 1a (the mildest stage).
age wont be a consideration in this case, because there's a high chance of spread(uterus got a lot of blood vessels)
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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 26 2008, 12:57 PM)
I know it's a little sign0006.gif but.. oh well..

hmm.gif we respond looking at the level of education of the given situation.
If a nurse coming as a patient and starts using jargon, you'll sure to follow suit.
Here, if some of us starts using jargon, you can ask to what he/she means.
Well, this is a forum, aka 2 way thing. Nobody'll make fun of you! and we would be happy to help.
And, i'm sure at this Google Age, you can type in "define hysterectomy"  " hysterectomy" and pop, your answer is there.

Hence, fireball,
All of us are human beings trying to be the better man. We are constantly learning. We make mistakes. We rectify them. We change.
Anyway, just my 2 cents, please do suggest things a nicer way.. others might be offended easily.
We are trying our best to help, and hope you do the same too.  icon_rolleyes.gif smile.gif
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I believe my suggestion was quite polite, and I'm glad you're not offended, because it would be foolish for a person of high standards to be affected by a simple statement, hence you gain my respect there smile.gif

In regards to your nurse story, it's very simple. There's no nurses here, not a hospital or clinical scenario, it's a forum where all kinds of people medically inclined and non-medically inclined come to read. So the fact is, the situation here is a PUBLIC forum smile.gif Hence I believe it would be to the advantage of everyone if medically related people spead words which we can comprehend.

To be honest, there's so many jargons in the posts above that it is almost impossible to search the meaning of each and every word!

Simple conclusion, speak simple, to be heard and understood by everyone. Impressing with jargons shows lack of attention and experience. Dont take it to heart, it's just my 2 cents worth as well smile.gif
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inevitable...
if he's a real doctor/medical students...the medical terms just pop out from his head like that... tongue.gif
anyway, it's okie as long as you put a bracket there to define the medical terms you used...so that people like us can understand better.

plus, we learn new words everyday... tongue.gif good for us also. right?
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Nov 27 2008, 01:31 AM)
In regards to your nurse story, it's very simple. There's no nurses here, not a hospital or clinical scenario, it's a forum where all kinds of people medically inclined and non-medically inclined come to read. So the fact is, the situation here is a PUBLIC forum smile.gif Hence I believe it would be to the advantage of everyone if medically related people spead words which we can comprehend.
To be honest, there's so many jargons in the posts above that it is almost impossible to search the meaning of each and every word!
Simple conclusion, speak simple, to be heard and understood by everyone. Impressing with jargons shows lack of attention and experience. Dont take it to heart, it's just my 2 cents worth as well smile.gif
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Fireball,
The nurse story was an illustration.
But,
laugh.gif sure, no problem.
i'm not taking it to heart.
We must be crystal clear in our aim - to help. not to impress and not to degrade
And yes, we sometimes get too carried away, excited maybe.. blush.gif
but, we'll be putting brackets beside the jargon we are using; like what klifex said, no harm in learning new words. thumbup.gif

Anyway..
I think we should get back to the original topic of pap smear. thumbup.gif

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From my point of view, actually you all are given opinion / suggestion with politely, so I hope you all don't have any conflict here. I believe all is willing to help people.

Actually given bombastic word (ie. medical word) is good to us to improve our knowledge provided there is no discrimination.
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smile.gif peace smile.gif
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Surely peace.. we have been peaceful all these while, and will continue to maintain peace! smile.gif We all get excited, very true. I guess after that we should all do pap smear! Yay, cant wait to get my pap smear done soon!
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Added on November 28, 2008, 2:26 amoh yah...
forgot to add,
when doing pap smear, preferable time is to do it at the end of your period ( like day 4 / 5 if yours is a 5 day cycle) smile.gif

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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 28 2008, 02:25 AM)
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Added on November 28, 2008, 2:26 amoh yah...
forgot to add,
when doing pap smear, preferable time is to do it at the end of your period ( like day 4 / 5 if yours is a 5 day cycle) smile.gif
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Cool, what's the reason for that? Please explain and let us all know! smile.gif
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from what i understand,
at the end of menstruation, your external os ( opening of the cervix) will be more exposed, easier to get samples from there - hence lower chance of specimen collection failure smile.gif
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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 28 2008, 01:11 PM)
from what i understand,
at the end of menstruation, your external os ( opening of the cervix) will be more exposed, easier to get samples from there - hence lower chance of specimen collection failure smile.gif
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I c... but how about period mixing with the specimen? Wouldnt that show RBC which would lead to failure as well?
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hmm... good point..
that's why you have to be "dry" when you go to do pap smear.
I got to rectify my statement then tongue.gif
It'll be, say you have a 5 day cycle ( meaning it finishes at 5th day),
ideal timing would be on the 6th day up to 1 week after.

Similarly, for uterine device ( thing you put in your uterus to prevent pregnancy), great timing would be at end of your menstruation.
Why? to make sure she is not pregnant, and because the opening is softer - less pain and injury smile.gif

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i think the malu part is when the doctor question the girl before Pap Smear

r u sexually active?
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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 28 2008, 05:03 PM)
hmm... good point..
that's why you have to be "dry" when you go to do pap smear.
I got to rectify my statement then tongue.gif
It'll be, say you have a 5 day cycle ( meaning it finishes at 5th day),
ideal timing would be on the 6th day up to 1 week after.

Similarly, for uterine device ( thing you put in your uterus to prevent pregnancy), great timing would be at end of your menstruation.
Why? to make sure she is not pregnant, and because the opening is softer - less pain and injury smile.gif

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Ah.. your first statement sounds better now, with solid reasons! smile.gif

Your second statement is something everyone should know, spot on! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ah liew @ Nov 28 2008, 11:02 PM)
i think the malu part is when the doctor question the girl before Pap Smear

r u sexually active?
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Well, sexual history of a patient is very common. Plus, it's her doctor! Come on, no need to malu with him right?! tongue.gif LOL!!
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yeah, it will be CONFIDENTIAL.. smile.gif
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If you are not comfortable discussing this with a male doctor,
it is always possible for you to request for a female doctor.

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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Nov 30 2008, 03:40 PM)
If you are not comfortable discussing this with a male doctor,
it is always possible for you to request for a female doctor.
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At the end of the day, he/she's still a doctor. Of course, choose whichever sex you're comfortable with... dont matter...
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usually in klinik kesihatan the dr in charge in maternal and child health is female, so dont worry.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Dec 8 2008, 05:49 PM)
usually in klinik kesihatan the dr in charge in maternal and child health is female, so dont worry.. tongue.gif
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Serious meh? I've seen so many make Drs there too! smile.gif Nvm la, still Dr.. can already!
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yup, i have seen some government clinic only have 1 female dr, and the rest are female nurse in charge in maternal and child health clinic.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Dec 9 2008, 03:40 PM)
yup, i have seen some government clinic only have 1 female dr, and the rest are female nurse in charge in maternal and child health clinic.. tongue.gif
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I know there's tons of female nurses, but it really doesnt have to be a female Dr around. To me, it's random! No bias about having male/female there! smile.gif
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i went for my first paps smear test; it is not as horrifying as described by some.....maybe the doctor was gentle.....the doctor is a male, with a nurse guarding....and he has alot of patience in calming down, and asked me to relax.....

i went to klinik sekeluarga ipoh, damansara utama - it replaced the damansara women's fertility centre, and the doctor who attended to me was dr anil sharma...

after the test.....he dizzied me by talking to me about cervical cancer and its vacination.... =.='
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QUOTE(leongal @ Dec 10 2008, 08:44 AM)
i went for my first paps smear test; it is not as horrifying as described by some.....maybe the doctor was gentle.....the doctor is a male, with a nurse guarding....and he has alot of patience in calming down, and asked me to relax.....

i went to klinik sekeluarga ipoh, damansara utama - it replaced the damansara women's fertility centre, and the doctor who attended to me was dr anil sharma...

after the test.....he dizzied me by talking to me about cervical cancer and its vacination.... =.='
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So how does it feel being examined by a male Dr? Nothing really wrong right? smile.gif

Shouldnt expose Dr's name, but hey, it's a compliment to him so I doubt it'll be an issue.

So did you take the vaccination? Pricey, but worth it if you fit the criteria! Like your age, sexual history, partners, etc.. smile.gif
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how much the vaccine for HPV virus cost ya?
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how much the vaccine for HPV virus cost ya?
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You need 3 doses, each cost about Rm 400.. so definitely breaking the 1k level. But considering the fact that it prevents you from one of the commonest female cancer, it is certainly worth it! smile.gif
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wow, i think females prefer shopping.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Dec 11 2008, 02:48 AM)
wow, i think females prefer shopping.. tongue.gif
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Haha, totally unrelated bro. Remember that money spent on this vaccine could save her life!
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ya, but my sister dont care to take vaccine when i ask her to.. tongue.gif
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ya, but my sister dont care to take vaccine when i ask her to.. tongue.gif
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no lar, 24 already married.. haha..tongue.gif

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is there anything equavalent test for guys to check testicle cancer...just wondering
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no lar, testis is inside scrotum. if want need to do biopsy lor.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Dec 13 2008, 06:26 AM)
no lar, 24 already married.. haha..tongue.gif
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Hehe, the basic test for testicular cancer is self examination of testis, similar to self breast examination smile.gif
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haha, i forgot the non-invasive investigation first. directly said biopsy.. tongue.gif
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diagnosis of testicular cancer is a combination of history, examination, and also laboratory tests and imaging.
biopsy is not done usualy...why?
because if you want to do a needle biopsy inserting a needle into the testis just to take out some cancer sample, u may cause seeding of cancer cell along the needle track.
the result is that, you may make the cancer worse, you just upgraded the stage of cancer.

then why needle biopsy is okie in breast cancer? because they will mark down the needle track together with the surgical excision. means the whole track will be remove along with the cancer part.

if there's enough evidence on physical examination shows high suspicious of testic cancer, they will proceed to cancer marker such as alpha fetoprotein and B-HCG, which will usually raised in testis cancer.

if both are raised, no doubt, the next thing to plan is a surgery and adjuvant therapy.
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QUOTE(klifex @ Dec 15 2008, 01:32 AM)
diagnosis of testicular cancer is a combination of history, examination, and also laboratory tests and imaging.
biopsy is not done usualy...why?
because if you want to do a needle biopsy inserting a needle into the testis just to take out some cancer sample, u may cause seeding of cancer cell along the needle track.
the result is that, you may make the cancer worse, you just upgraded the stage of cancer.

then why needle biopsy is okie in breast cancer? because they will mark down the needle track together with the surgical excision. means the whole track will be remove along with the cancer part.

if there's enough evidence on physical examination shows high suspicious of testic cancer, they will proceed to cancer marker such as alpha fetoprotein and B-HCG, which will usually raised in testis cancer.

if both are raised, no doubt, the next thing to plan is a surgery and adjuvant therapy.
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Very well explained! Hope guys out there will read this and keep in mind! smile.gif
Just to add,
"u may cause seeding of cancer cell along the needle track." basically the skin of your b@lls may get the cancer cells and become cancerous!

In b@lls cancer, they dont remove the whole b@lls, only what's inside(testis), so any cancerous skin would be left behind. In breast cancer, you remove the whole breast + skin, so not dangerous to do biopsy! smile.gif
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so, if im not mistaken. to reduce the risk of seeding the cancer cell, we use fine needle aspiration biopsy instead of ordinary biopsy..

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so, if im not mistaken. to reduce the risk of seeding the cancer cell, we use fine needle aspiration biopsy instead of ordinary biopsy..
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That is correct. But the problem is, it still causes seeding of cancer cells. So for the testis, or any other part of the body you're not removing in case of cancer, NO NO to any sort of biopsy which goes through the skin! smile.gif
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so how to investigate? takkan use excisional biopsy, im sure the males still sayang their testis.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Dec 17 2008, 02:28 PM)
so how to investigate? takkan use excisional biopsy, im sure the males still sayang their testis.. tongue.gif
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There's many ways to determine if it's cancer. Tumor markers would be high, USG would show some details, Chest X-ray may show metastases.. all in all, to confirm the cancer, biopsy is still required and the procedure is known as Chevasus procedure!

In simple terms, the process is by making a slit on the testis through a groin incision and taking a frozen section. If report come back as positive, remove testis. If report is negative, close up and put testis back! Done! smile.gif
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so what are the tumor marker for testis? i never heard any? if prostat ada la, prostate specific antigen.. biggrin.gif
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so  what are the tumor marker for testis? i never heard any? if prostat ada la, prostate specific antigen.. biggrin.gif
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It depends on the type of testicular cancer.. AFP, HCG, CEA are a few.. check out in your books smile.gif
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Why it sounds scary to me?
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coz you re male, not female.. tongue.gif
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Why it sounds scary to me?
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haha, so if one bigger than another that will be suspicious.. tongue.gif
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haha, so if one bigger than another that will be suspicious.. tongue.gif
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usually the tumor is painless right? unless it invades surrounding tissue..
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usually the tumor is painless right? unless it invades surrounding tissue..
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Like I said, you'll feel heaviness.. and it enlarges.. sometimes leg veins become more prominent.. lots of features! smile.gif
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i see.. biggrin.gif
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i see.. biggrin.gif
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sometimes it could be due to hernia too...
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yeah, inguinal hernia..


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yeah, inguinal hernia..


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teratoma n hernia is a huge difference bro.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:51 AM)
teratoma n hernia is a huge difference bro.. tongue.gif
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haha.. though u dunno.. tongue.gif
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haha.. though u dunno.. tongue.gif
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as i know, pap smear only to see cancer cell( clue cell), so if there is infection, can it be detected by pap smear test? biggrin.gif
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infection is usually detect by high vaginal swap and culture+sensitivity..

the main purpose of pap smear is look at the cell morphology... however, in some case, for research purpose, they do virology test from the cell sample for HPV infection.

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i see.. just want to know, is it possible that we could detect infection under pap smear test coz there would be lots of inflammatory cells there.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 8 2009, 12:36 PM)
i see.. just want to know, is it possible that we could detect infection under pap smear test coz there would be lots of inflammatory cells there.. biggrin.gif
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yeah, becoz normally people do pap smear to see cancer cell only.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 9 2009, 12:21 AM)
yeah, becoz normally people do pap smear to see cancer cell only.. biggrin.gif
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Well, check out reports of pap smears. Or, even under the classification you'll see "inflammatory cells" in the list! smile.gif

Generally you dont rule out infection with this..come on, there's so many other ways! There would be symptoms man! tongue.gif

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yeah, so now i know, it is possible to detect infection under pap smear test.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 9 2009, 12:44 PM)
yeah, so now i know, it is possible to detect infection under pap smear test.. biggrin.gif
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one, we can detect the inflammatory cells,
then if there is a pus, we can took it for culture & sensitivity

But how many per cent does the women do their pap smear? brows.gif
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haha.. that u need to ask the primary care lor.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vivi99 @ Jan 10 2009, 02:28 PM)
one, we can detect the inflammatory cells,
then if there is a pus, we can took it for culture & sensitivity

But how many per cent does the women do their pap smear?  brows.gif
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and perhap, not much publicity lor.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 14 2009, 12:06 AM)
and perhap, not much publicity lor.. tongue.gif
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publicity is there, but ppl feel too embarassed to get their privates examined and cells taken....In the UK, there is a call back system for ppl who miss their pap smears when its time to take them, therefore their coverage rate is quite high. We dont have that here yet. Ppl usually forget or dont bother with their screening especially since it is only to be done 3 yearly.

Anyways, with reference to your earlier post, clue cells are found in bacterial vaginosis, the atypical cells in pap smears have a whole range of classifications based on the Bathesda system.


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no need to shy to dr lor. this screening test is realy crucial..

so, clue cell is not for cancer lor? it just indicates infection..?? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 21 2009, 02:22 PM)
no need to shy to dr lor. this screening test is realy crucial..

so, clue cell is not for cancer lor? it just indicates infection..?? biggrin.gif
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yeah agree.. coz, when become adult, they can be prepared for this.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 21 2009, 02:22 PM)
no need to shy to dr lor. this screening test is realy crucial..

so, clue cell is not for cancer lor? it just indicates infection..?? biggrin.gif
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yup. and clue cells are usually seen on a vaginal wet mount and not a pap smear. A wet mount is usually taken from a sample of the fluid from the vagina and put on a glass slide. A pap smear is taken via a scraping from the cervix and then rubbed onto a glass slide and fixed with alcohol.

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yeah, now i know.. biggrin.gif

is that u mention about vaginal wet mount is the same as high vaginal swab?
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 23 2009, 11:19 PM)
yeah, now i know.. biggrin.gif

is that u mention about vaginal wet mount is the same as high vaginal swab?
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No. A high vaginal swab is usually for culture of the organism. A cotton tip applicator similar to a cotton bud is used to take a sample from the posterior fornix. It is then placed into a tube with transport medium and sent to the lab. The lab will culture the applicator to see what organisms grow and determine the type of infection

A wet mount can be a clinic procedure and does not need to be sent to the lab. Just take a bit of fluid and smear it on a slide with normal saline and view it under a microscope. U may see flagellated organisms to suggest a vaginal trichomoniasis or u may see clue cells to suggest bacterial vaginosis.
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oic, so vaginal wet mount is thay take the fluid sample from the vagina. n

now i know, but this is very new to me.

i just heard this.. smile.gif
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glad you know. Hope everyone learns as well. But remember the word of advise at the top of the section page. This is no substitute for formal medical advise. Always remember while things are generally the same, your condition may vary from others in ways that can only be considered by a clinician in direct contact with you. So there is no substitute for that. And besides, no qualified doctor would give you medical advice over the internet as it is not accurate to do so. Only general advice regarding the condition as health education is permissable. No diagnosis or prescriptions should be considered here.
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yeah, totally understand. we re here to discuss not to diagnosed.. tongue.gif
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yeah, totally understand. we re here to discuss not to diagnosed.. tongue.gif
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haha.. they should read the instruction on the above page here first.. tongue.gif
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This threads meant for girls, but floaded with men. walao...

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QUOTE(felnarix @ Feb 2 2009, 02:29 AM)
This threads meant for girls, but floaded with men. walao...
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I believe you've misinterprated the title.. it actually means pap smear test for girls because pap smear test cant be done for guys! So of course everyone should feel free to voice their opinion! smile.gif
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It would be better if PAP smear test is done together with digene HPV DNA test.

PAP smear have good specificity while its sensitivity is poor. The pathologist needs to look at the slides and there might be chance for them to miss certain cells. Another possibility is that the sample collection method might be wrong.

It has been proven that cervical cancer is caused by Human Papilloma virus (HPV). However, not all the HPV will cause cervical cancer. This has been well-studied and HPV DNA test is so far the only FDA-approval test in the market to use together with PAP for efficient screening of cervical samples.
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QUOTE(dav668 @ Feb 3 2009, 05:26 PM)
It would be better if PAP smear test is done together with digene HPV DNA test.

PAP smear have good specificity while its sensitivity is poor. The pathologist needs to look at the slides and there might be chance for them to miss certain cells. Another possibility is that the sample collection method might be wrong.

It has been proven that cervical cancer is caused by Human Papilloma virus (HPV). However, not all the HPV will cause cervical cancer. This has been well-studied and HPV DNA test is so far the only FDA-approval test in the market to use together with PAP for efficient screening of cervical samples.
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well to provide more explaination, the HPV DNA is not a standalone test. It has to be used together with the Pap Smear. This is simply because many ppl have HPV infection including the guys and all will test positive with the DNA test. However, not all will develop cervical CA.

On the other hand, if you have an inconclusive smear result. You could do one of three things. Repeat the smear in 3 months, do an HPV DNA, or go for a colposcopy.

The HPV DNA just provides more evidence that there may be an underlying carcinoma and patients with inconclusive pap smear with HPV DNA positive should undergo a colposcopy.
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QUOTE(dav668 @ Feb 3 2009, 05:26 PM)
It would be better if PAP smear test is done together with digene HPV DNA test.

PAP smear have good specificity while its sensitivity is poor. The pathologist needs to look at the slides and there might be chance for them to miss certain cells. Another possibility is that the sample collection method might be wrong.

It has been proven that cervical cancer is caused by Human Papilloma virus (HPV). However, not all the HPV will cause cervical cancer. This has been well-studied and HPV DNA test is so far the only FDA-approval test in the market to use together with PAP for efficient screening of cervical samples.
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Actually, not all cervical cancer is caused by HPV. A majority, but there's other causes. The next statement is absolutely right, not all HPV causes cervical cancer! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Feb 4 2009, 02:16 AM)
Actually, not all cervical cancer is caused by HPV. A majority, but there's other causes. The next statement is absolutely right, not all HPV causes cervical cancer! smile.gif
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about 70% is caused by HPV 16 and 18 . Another 25% is caused by other HPV strains. about another 5% is caused by non HPV related causes.

Another risk factor for cervical CA is smoking. So please do stop.
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QUOTE(lynxs @ Feb 4 2009, 09:58 AM)
about 70% is caused by HPV 16 and 18 . Another 25% is caused by other HPV strains. about another 5% is caused by non HPV related causes.

Another risk factor for cervical CA is smoking. So please do stop.
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Well explained, you see the other 5% is non-HPV related. Of course, there's factors such as genetics, other STDs, etc. So, this is life! smile.gif
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well, currently the standard practice is to get newly delivered mothers to have their PAP smears done 6 weeks post delivery..
it sounds kinda simple & easy, since at 2 months, they have to bring their kid to get their immunization jab..
however, there are still pregnant mothers who are in their 3rd / 4th pregnancy who haven't had a PAP smear done yet..

it's kinda sad to see patients with stage 3 or 4 cervical cancer..
I will always remember the words of my mentor: A woman should not die of cervical cancer..

it's so true, coz cervical CA takes years & years to progress, & we have such an efficient & cost-effective screening modality..

so LYNers, do pass on the word.. k? wink.gif
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Feb 13 2009, 09:30 PM)
well, currently the standard practice is to get newly delivered mothers to have their PAP smears done 6 weeks post delivery..
it sounds kinda simple & easy, since at 2 months, they have to bring their kid to get their immunization jab..
however, there are still pregnant mothers who are in their 3rd / 4th pregnancy who haven't had a PAP smear done yet..

it's kinda sad to see patients with stage 3 or 4 cervical cancer..
I will always remember the words of my mentor: A woman should not die of cervical cancer..

it's so true, coz cervical CA takes years & years to progress, & we have such an efficient & cost-effective screening modality..

so LYNers, do pass on the word.. k? wink.gif
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Your sincere concern is very much appreciated!

Regarding the standard practice to have PAP smear 6 wks post delivery, is it practiced in Malaysia? Havent heard of it, but thx for d info!
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Feb 13 2009, 09:35 PM)
Your sincere concern is very much appreciated!

Regarding the standard practice to have PAP smear 6 wks post delivery, is it practiced in Malaysia? Havent heard of it, but thx for d info!
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It is a practice....doctors should and probably are advising mothers to get their pap smears after delivery as it is one way of catching them. But sadly, they do not follow up with 3 yearly pap smears after that.
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it's a standard practice.. it's written in their red/pink antenatal cards..
but sadly, don't think there is enough emphasis placed on it..
sadly so far, the best time to 'catch' them is when they come with menopausal symptoms or some other complaints..
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it's a standard practice.. it's written in their red/pink antenatal cards..
but sadly, don't think there is enough emphasis placed on it..
sadly so far, the best time to 'catch' them is when they come with menopausal symptoms or some other complaints..
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Cool.. so lets make this awareness spread, starting from LYN! smile.gif

Any other cool stuff we should know?

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well.. that's about it.. tongue.gif
can't comment much about the HPV vaccines though..
still needs time to see how effective it is..
probably worth a try if you have the $..
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Feb 13 2009, 10:57 PM)
well.. that's about it.. tongue.gif
can't comment much about the HPV vaccines though..
still needs time to see how effective it is..
probably worth a try if you have the $..
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It is effective, only that it is expensive. About 900-1200 for 3 doses, depending on where. But the thing is that, having the vaccine does not exempt you from having a 3 yearly pap smear.
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QUOTE(lynxs @ Feb 15 2009, 06:30 PM)
It is effective, only that it is expensive. About 900-1200 for 3 doses, depending on where. But the thing is that, having the vaccine does not exempt you from having a 3 yearly pap smear.
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but it does reduces the risk of Cervical GuGu! So what the heck, spend that 1k and at least lower your risks!
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well, it's effective.. provided you're not exposed to HPV yet..
more applicable to virgins & partners of condom-users..
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well, it's effective.. provided you're not exposed to HPV yet..
more applicable to virgins & partners of condom-users..
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Good... a little info about HPV.

They're epitheliotrophic, and the process of malignancy starts with the sequence as below:

1. Asymptomatic latent infection
2. Active infection - But HPV DNA has not integrated into human genome
3. Malignant transformation - Beginning of cancer - Oncogenic HPV DNA is integrated into human genome - slowly becomes cervical cancer

Came across it reading somewhere! smile.gif
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great info! smile.gif
and so to reinforce my point..
the vaccine is meant to PREVENT infection.. it's more of a SHIELD rather than a CURE..
so the asymptomatic latent infection could have begun even after the 1st 'encounter'..
you don't use a condom after sex, right? tongue.gif
kind of the same logic used in HPV vaccination..

& a PAP smear is kind of like a Urine Pregnancy Test..
during the early weeks, the uterus isn't that large yet..
so you need a screening test to find out if you're pregnant..
anyhow, after a few months, the uterus will be huge & you'll know that you're pregnant anyway..

but in Cervical Cancer, finding out AFTER you have symptoms -> may be too late...

hope my logic isn't screwing up your minds.. tongue.gif
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Hey, I'm a guy, and I would like to know how often a girl should take this test, and it is for girl who lost their virginity right. How much is it, and where to do it, is it necessary. Thanks, want to bring my gf for check.
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PAP smear at govt clinic won't cost much.. should be about rm5?

5 yearly screening reduces the incidence of invasive cancer by 84%
3 yearly screening reduces by 91% , yearly screening: 93%..

If the quality of a cytology service is high, 3 yearly smears are virtually as effective as annual smears
source: IARC Working Group 1986
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Feb 20 2009, 10:55 AM)
Hey, I'm a guy, and I would like to know how often a girl should take this test, and it is for girl who lost their virginity right. How much is it, and where to do it, is it necessary. Thanks, want to bring my gf for check.
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You naughtly boy! Couldnt wait for wedding night huh? LoL!

Anyway, if it's your first time you shouldnt be worried.. cause I doubt you'll have any diseases.. unless it isnt your first time. Then you might spread unwanted stuff to her! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Feb 21 2009, 12:27 AM)
You naughtly boy! Couldnt wait for wedding night huh? LoL!

Anyway, if it's your first time you shouldnt be worried.. cause I doubt you'll have any diseases.. unless it isnt your first time. Then you might spread unwanted stuff to her! tongue.gif
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lol, its been like 3 - 4 yrs back le. just never have the initiative to go for the test.
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Feb 20 2009, 10:55 AM)
Hey, I'm a guy, and I would like to know how often a girl should take this test, and it is for girl who lost their virginity right. How much is it, and where to do it, is it necessary. Thanks, want to bring my gf for check.
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Feb 21 2009, 01:10 AM)
lol, its been like 3 - 4 yrs back le. just never have the initiative to go for the test.
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Hello! smile.gif

First you say you're a guy when there's a glaring "FEMALE" below your avatar. Something fishy already. Next you said you never have the initiative to go for the test, implying you're a girl.

Whatever your gender is, it doesnt matter la. So what if you're really a girl? Just say you need to go for the test lor... if you're the GUY, then just say you are! Ambiguous gender is very unintellectual!

Hehe.. no offence! Just curious to know who/what you really are! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Feb 21 2009, 09:06 AM)
Hello! smile.gif

First you say you're a guy when there's a glaring "FEMALE" below your avatar. Something fishy already. Next you said you never have the initiative to go for the test, implying you're a girl.

Whatever your gender is, it doesnt matter la. So what if you're really a girl? Just say you need to go for the test lor... if you're the GUY, then just say you are! Ambiguous gender is very unintellectual!

Hehe.. no offence! Just curious to know who/what you really are! smile.gif
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No la, I'm a guy with a girl tag. What I meant is she never have the initiative to go for the test. Wanna bring her, but dunno where ma.
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No la, I'm a guy with a girl tag. What I meant is she never have the initiative to go for the test. Wanna bring her, but dunno where ma.
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Then encourage her to go for it! Go along, so she'll feel comfortable smile.gif

Btw, whatever you say.. we just have to believe you right? Ms Guy? tongue.gif
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LOL, dun kacau him anymore la.. tongue.gif
although i do get really confused with d "female" tags sometimes..
dunno if i'm talking to a HE or SHE..
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LOL, dun kacau him anymore la.. tongue.gif
although i do get really confused with d "female" tags sometimes..
dunno if i'm talking to a HE or SHE..
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Haha.. naughty people playing with their gender.. oh well, will stop whatever! smile.gif

So you think he/she's gone for the pap smear? No reply.. probably done and satisfied! tongue.gif
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Ladies, fyi there's a free public forum on Cervical Cancer @ Sheraton Subang on Mar 15,2009. Must Call Sime Darby Healthcare to reserve seat - Tel -5639 1333 or e-mail to healthcare@simedarby.com.
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Ladies, fyi there's a free public forum on Cervical Cancer @ Sheraton Subang on Mar 15,2009. Must Call Sime Darby Healthcare to reserve seat - Tel -5639 1333 or e-mail to healthcare@simedarby.com.
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A little off topic, but has anyone here took the HPV vaccine shots?

Read a lot of severe side effects on the Internet, but FDA insists its safe, a little scared.. going for vaccination soon
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A little off topic, but has anyone here took the HPV vaccine shots?

Read a lot of severe side effects on the Internet, but FDA insists its safe, a little scared.. going for vaccination soon
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Gosh, the whole topic has so much info about the vaccine! Read read..
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QUOTE(florenceyeap @ Mar 18 2009, 06:02 PM)
A little off topic, but has anyone here took the HPV vaccine shots?

Read a lot of severe side effects on the Internet, but FDA insists its safe, a little scared.. going for vaccination soon
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florenceyeap, at the end of the day, it's still very much so your choice. Do what you feel with comfortable for yourself. If you have concerns, talk it out with your doctor (although I tend to hunt around for a female doctor because they usually handle delicate matters a lot smoother than men). If you're still not comfortable with it, don't do it. Oftentimes, it isn't easy to get the courage to go forward to a doctor and a male doctor at that.

This thread is mostly with good intentions to get ladies to go get a pap smear test done or HPV vaccine shots. The downside is Malaysians in general aren't very patient with people hence the abrupt manner. At the end of the day, all decisions comes down to the person. If you're comfortable with the decision that you've made, ok then. Don't look back and get on with life. If you feel regret, re-examine the decision made. Everyone makes wrong decisions, even ones affecting health but that doesn't mean that it's the end of the world either.


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Gosh, the whole topic has so much info about the vaccine! Read read..
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Actually, maybe half the topic is on the vaccine and most of it seems to be on the parts that is the most interesting rather than the most factual. Everyone seems to be extremely caught up by the fact that there is a vaccine for a virus that has been link to cervical cancer but not everyone knows that vaccination may not be successful (yes, that's the damning truth about vaccines although most have high success rates). A good example is Hepatitis B.

I'm not sure whether it was mentioned or not but just looking at the wiki post on HPV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus), it's clearly stated that the FDA has approved the vaccine for ladies up to the age of 26. Beyond 26 years old, the FDA has not given their approval and in the US, that affects the medical insurance policy (again from the same post). There's also no conclusively studies that the vaccine will benefit ppl over 26. Wikipedia does have it's failings but most of it's medical and scientific info is fairly accurate.

Unless someone can find another link somewhere to share with us. smile.gif

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all, hope this not too late...the offer end this month...
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just found out from bp lab...they are offering Cervarix vaccine from GSK...which prevent 2 type of virus onli (types 16, 18)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervarix
...is that reason tat y cheap???

Gardasill (sanofi pastuer) can prevent 4 type (16. 18. 6. 11) wor

any one take Cervarix b4... icon_question.gif i plan to go this 2 days..but now im thinking over it again...
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I just did my pap smear test for the first time a few weeks ago. basically I would need to go back and do another in one year time correct? Another thing is, I got the results of the test, and I'm just wondering if it is the same with everyone. As in the test they did, cause I think there was only 4 or 5 things that they checked for. But I can't remember it right now what it was. Will check on it later, if anyone has the results with you, can you please post up what did they check for, if you don't mind? Thank you!
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i dont think so that cheap...

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Just gone through lowyat health forum, wow, so much information here. Just to introduce myself, I am just a medical fresh graduate from IMU, waiting for government to post me to work in government hospital.
To clear some doubts here, yes, as someone has mentioned above, the Malaysian clinical practise guideline (called CPGs in medical field) recommended any women who are sexually active to do PAP smear.
About the frequency of doing PAP smear, it depends on the result of the first test. If it is HSIL, LSIL (which basically means STRAIGHT forward abnormal) then the doctor will do a colposcopy (a magnifying machine to examine cervix) to further investigate the cervix to check for malignancy.

So if the first result came back as ASCUS (not definite - can be normal / abnormal). This case happens normally when cervix is infected and there are white cells and these cells cloud the results. If you get ASCUS in the first result, then you HAVE to get another PAP smear in 6 MONTHS time. From then on, the frequency depends on the second result.

And, of course, if you get a NORMAL result, then you need to continue doing it annually for 3 years, then if all 3 were normal, then you continue with the regime of ONCE in 3 YEARS. (bear in mind that if some abnormal results POP up in the middle of the routine, further investigations are required).

Yes, test can be done in LPPKN, not more than RM10, government subsidise mah.

A normal (tradisional) PAP smear cost RM40-60. A newer technique where no slide is used, where the samples are brush off in a bottle of liquid to be sent to the lab is more expensive, it costs about RM100 above.

Hope this piece of information helps.
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just to supplement cheok's info:

The traditional PAP smear is cheaper coz it just uses a wooden Ayer's spatula, & the slide is prepared by the person who took the smear.. so it can turn out 'cacat' sometimes.. quite operator dependent..

the more 'canggih' one is called the "ThinPrep" method, the smear is taken using a cytobrush, then we shake it into a bottle of solution to dislodge the cells there..
after that, the bottle is put into a machine, where the solution will be sucked through a filter thingie, and the cells will be stuck onto the filter..
then the filter will be put onto the glass slide for reading..
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Hie there,
Just gone through lowyat health forum, wow, so much information here. Just to introduce myself, I am just a medical fresh graduate from IMU, waiting for government to post me to work in government hospital.
To clear some doubts here, yes, as someone has mentioned above, the Malaysian clinical practise guideline (called CPGs in medical field) recommended any women who are sexually active to do PAP smear.
About the frequency of doing PAP smear, it depends on the result of the first test. If it is HSIL, LSIL (which basically means STRAIGHT forward abnormal) then the doctor will do a colposcopy (a magnifying machine to examine cervix) to further investigate the cervix to check for malignancy.

So if the first result came back as ASCUS (not definite - can be normal / abnormal). This case happens normally when cervix is infected and there are white cells and these cells cloud the results. If you get ASCUS in the first result, then you HAVE to get another PAP smear in 6 MONTHS time. From then on, the frequency depends on the second result.

And, of course, if you get a NORMAL result, then you need to continue doing it annually for 3 years, then if all 3 were normal, then you continue with the regime of ONCE in 3 YEARS.  (bear in mind that if some abnormal results POP up in the middle of the routine, further investigations are required).

Yes, test can be done in LPPKN, not more than RM10, government subsidise mah.

A normal (tradisional) PAP smear cost RM40-60. A newer technique where no slide is used, where the samples are brush off in a bottle of liquid to be sent to the lab is more expensive, it costs about RM100 above.

Hope this piece of information helps.
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nice info.... i plan bring my wife to check (PAP smear) after give birth to my baby... It is hurt?
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A bit uncomfortable and it may trigger her period. I'm not sure about the new method though, that ppl are mentioning here.
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A bit uncomfortable and it may trigger her period. I'm not sure about the new method though, that ppl are mentioning here.
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Doing pap smears do not trigger any periods. It may occasional cause some slight bleeding....... wink.gif
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is there any1 noe which clinic near pj got this service?prefer female doc.. paiseh la..if male doc =.=
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Doing pap smears do not trigger any periods. It may occasional cause some slight bleeding....... wink.gif
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Depends. The old method yes and it triggered mine. My gynae says it sometimes happen so be prepared for it. She mentioned some ladies experiences nothing, some experiences slight bleeding, some have their period triggered. Mine was. tongue.gif

I'm not sure about the new method though. Haven't read up on it and haven't seen my gynae in awhile.


Added on March 28, 2009, 10:39 pmI'm just thinking, this is so ironic. A male answering a female thread. Just like me answering the circumcision one. Haha!

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 28 2009, 10:38 PM)
Depends. The old method yes and it triggered mine. My gynae says it sometimes happen so be prepared for it. She mentioned some ladies experiences nothing, some experiences slight bleeding, some have their period triggered. Mine was. tongue.gif

I'm not sure about the new method though. Haven't read up on it and haven't seen my gynae in awhile.


Added on March 28, 2009, 10:39 pmI'm just thinking, this is so ironic. A male answering a female thread. Just like me answering the circumcision one. Haha!
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Hmmmm.... not to say that you're wrong but pap smears do not trigger periods. Period. laugh.gif You mean to say that even if you had your menses 10 days ago, you still get menses when you do pap smear on day 10? hmm.gif If it really did happened to you, was it a one-off episode or do you get it every single time you do a pap smear?

I don't see anything ironic about that...... wink.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 28 2009, 11:36 PM)
Hmmmm.... not to say that you're wrong but pap smears do not trigger periods. Period.  laugh.gif You mean to say that even if you had your menses 10 days ago, you still get menses when you do pap smear on day 10?  hmm.gif If it really did happened to you, was it a one-off episode or do you get it every single time you do a pap smear?

I don't see anything ironic about that......  wink.gif
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If you feel so strongly about it, feel free to speak to the only female gynae in Normah Hospital who mentioned this to me. tongue.gif And yeah, surprisingly, that's what happened to me. It doesn't happened all the time as what she mentioned, just to some females.

And read my post next time. I said it triggered mine. tongue.gif

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If you feel so strongly about it, feel free to speak to the only female gynae in Normah Hospital who mentioned this to me. tongue.gif And yeah, surprisingly, that's what happened to me.Ā  It doesn't happened all the time as what she mentioned, just to some females.

And read my post next time. I said it triggered mine. tongue.gif

Men.Ā  doh.gifĀ  doh.gifĀ  doh.gif
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It is probably just coincident and could be due to a number of reasons (e.g. missed period prior to doing pap smear, bleeding after pap smear). In order to get menses, the lining of your womb needs to be stimulated by the right hormones at the right time. Try doing pap smear around D10 (after menses) next time and tell me whether it triggers your menses or not.

Anyway, not here to argue with you. If you do believe that, then it is your right. I guess in medical, anything can happen. wink.gif

Only female gynae in Normah? There are 3 female gynaecologist in Normah Medical Specialist Centre. tongue.gif

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Only female gynae in Normah? There are 3 female gynaecologist in Normah Medical Specialist Centre.  tongue.gif
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OO That must have been within the last couple of years then. The last time I went was 2 years ago and there was 1 gynae + 2 male gynae.

kmarc, I'm just wondering : how come you're so caught up with pap smear and it triggering bleeding / menses?
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OO That must have been within the last couple of years then. The last time I went was 2 years ago and there was 1 gynae + 2 male gynae.

kmarc, I'm just wondering : how come you're so caught up with pap smear and it triggering bleeding / menses?
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Just want to clear up that 'myth'. Nothing personal. wink.gif

Yeah, there are 3 female gynaecologists there now...... smile.gif
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It does not trigger mensus, simply because it has no relationship with the uterus and mensus! Gosh, wonder who in the world would suggest such nonsence.

Think logically like kmarc said, you need hormone to trigger mensus. If it's not the right time of the month, it simply will not come. Pap smear takes cervical cells far away from the uterus linings deep inside. It doesnt give out any hormones or triggers them. Totally no relation!

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It does not trigger mensus, simply because it has no relationship with the uterus and mensus! Gosh, wonder who in the world would suggest such nonsence.

Think logically like kmarc said, you need hormone to trigger mensus. If it's not the right time of the month, it simply will not come. Pap smear takes cervical cells far away from the uterus linings deep inside. It doesnt give out any hormones or triggers them. Totally no relation!

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I don't mind getting updated info or corrected insight.

But you do have this nasty habit of trying to be humourous by being sarcastic that is borderline ridicule.

So, any more shots that you want to take at me? smile.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 30 2009, 09:20 PM)
I don't mind getting updated info or corrected insight.

But you do have this nasty habit of trying to be humourous by being sarcastic that is borderline ridicule.

So, any more shots that you want to take at me? smile.gif
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Whoa, nothing directed towards you my dear.. If you read properly, I'm merely pointing at the doctor who told you that info.

Anyway, I dont think there's much sarcasm in my previous post. It was just to make people understand the basics and the total "no-correlation" with period.

End of the day, pap smear does not trigger any period. No shots at anyone including you.. chill.. smile.gif
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I put off posting a reply and rethinking the post. I think one thing you may not realize is that the post may not seem sarcastic but when you would be on the end of one, it's a different ballgame.

You certainly live up to your nickname of Fireball though, from the various posts that I've seen.

When you can't see the sarcasm or fiery tone of your posts, you may not realize this but it may be harder to accept your viewpoints. Yes, this is a forum where many different viewpoints can be presented but it can also backfire when it becomes critical.

That's not to say that I'm not a goody two shoes either. But when it comes to women problems, I do take a more gentler approach compared to some of the other posts around. If we wanted to help other women, it's probably not a choice but to be gentle. So you might want to reconsider your last reply in the STD post.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 31 2009, 08:21 PM)
I put off posting a reply and rethinking the post. I think one thing you may not realize is that the post may not seem sarcastic but when you would be on the end of one, it's a different ballgame.

You certainly live up to your nickname of Fireball though, from the various posts that I've seen.

When you can't see the sarcasm or fiery tone of your posts, you may not realize this but it may be harder to accept your viewpoints. Yes, this is a forum where many different viewpoints can be presented but it can also backfire when it becomes critical.

That's not to say that I'm not a goody two shoes either. But when it comes to women problems, I do take a more gentler approach compared to some of the other posts around. If we wanted to help other women, it's probably not a choice but to be gentle. So you might want to reconsider your last reply in the STD post.
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Totally out of topic, but this should be cleared no matter what.

In case I offended you, I offer my apologies. I'm gentle in plenty of ways, but when it comes to statements which makes no sense and would lead people, that's when I'm not gentle. It's basically to prove a point. Think about it, PAP smear triggering menses. It's absurd and would be utterly misleading to someone who has no idea about pap smear. Point taken, there's always a better way of expression. However, despite the fact that it has been pointed out before, people still think it's related. So yup, I'll be the "bad guy" to be stern enough to put it right. That's about it. I'm going to drop this, so I hope I dont have to reply non-related stuff here anymore.

Just to pull things back and keep the post related, PAP smears DOES NOT trigger menses smile.gif
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got anyone in jb do tat?
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If you're talking about Pap Smear then yes, plenty of doctors do pap smear there smile.gif
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can do at any government clinic..cost only rm1..
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Cervical cancer is still the number 2 killer among females in malaysia, and PAP smear is the way to detect it early. Be it government clinics or private, money shouldnt be of importance when we want to prevent cancer. smile.gif
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yeah, you wouldn't know how much money will be thrown to delete this kind of thing ..

a proper kind of paradigm needed to be built by the authorities ..
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how long would the test take? can husband/bf accompany her during the test?
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the test will be done less then 30minute....accompany? i guess no lo...haha...but u can try request.... smile.gif
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Not long.. maybe the waiting period will take time, but the process is really quick and can be done in 10 mins. Just a simple swap taken from the cervix. Of course, other inspections will be done at the same setting to complete the examination! smile.gif

Husband probably can.. request and hope the Dr is kind. BF? I doubt so.. tongue.gif
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ya. this is a very common test and it didnt cost you much.
should test annually once a female has sex experience.
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isit so important/need to test it once or test 4 a couple time every years....

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For girls/women who already had sexual intercourse ---> need to do Pap smear within 2 years after the first sexual intercourse

Then need to do every 2 years (IF your results is "normal"... otherwise follow the doctor's appointment, they will know exactly when is the best time for your next appointment)

This is NOT a test that you ambik skali je dlm seumur hidup (unlike thalassaemia testing)...
Pap smear is a test to screen for cervix CANCER
(read: cancer can happen ANYTIME... the EARLIER you detect it, the better the chance of saving your loved one from death)

Which means, you have to test it every 2 years (minimum)

Murah je... kalo pegi klinik/hospital kerajaan... diorg blh bagi ALL the information you need

remember... CANCER kills

x nk lah ibu / adik pompuan / isteri / gf you mati sbb benda nie kan? cry.gif
kalo dpt detect awal2, blh selamat

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QUOTE(THREE_INFINITY @ May 18 2009, 06:16 PM)
YES

For girls/women who already had sexual intercourse ---> need to do Pap smear within 2 years after the first sexual intercourse

Then need to do every 2 years (IF your results is "normal"... otherwise follow the doctor's appointment, they will know exactly when is the best time for your next appointment)

This is NOT a test that you ambik skali je dlm seumur hidup (unlike thalassaemia testing)...
Pap smear is a test to screen for cervix CANCER
(read: cancer can happen ANYTIME... the EARLIER you detect it, the better the chance of saving your loved one from death)

Which means, you have to test it every 2 years (minimum)

Murah je... kalo pegi klinik/hospital kerajaan... diorg blh bagi ALL the information you need

remember... CANCER kills

x nk lah ibu / adik pompuan / isteri / gf you mati sbb benda nie kan?  cry.gif
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It's done YEARLY.. not every 2 years until after 30 if all the previous test results were normal! smile.gif
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Am planning to do mine @ National Cancer Society. RM35 per test and money goes to a good cause biggrin.gif

There's another type of Pap Smear test offered - ThinPrep, RM15 more. Website says it's better than normal pap smear. Will ask the centre's personnel and ask for their opinion smile.gif


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QUOTE(Syd G @ May 31 2009, 07:38 PM)
Am planning to do mine @ National Cancer Society. RM35 per test and money goes to a good cause biggrin.gif

There's another type of Pap Smear test offered - ThinPrep, RM15 more. Website says it's better than normal pap smear. Will ask the centre's personnel and ask for their opinion smile.gif
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my doctor told me to do it every year !!
I did not know government clinic is so cheap, I ask private clinic charging RM 70 per test @_@
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Yes, Pap Smear should be done once a year.
If you have ovarian cyst before, it's best to do it twice a year because the probability of recurrence is high.
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Strongly recommenr gals/ ladies to do pap smear~~
CERvical cancer can be detected earlier and treated completely~~


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If the person is single,not in a relationship, age is 30,is it ok to do pap smear test? Further to that,family record had cervical cancer case.


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If the person is single,not in a relationship, age is 30,is it ok to do pap smear test? Further to that,family record had cervical cancer case.
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It is recommended that girls above the age of 21 do a pap smear once a year, regardless whether you're sexually active or not.
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I highly recommend Dato Dr Siti Zahara from SJMC. She's so good that there's a long waiting list but it's worth the wait because she's gentle and takes time to explain everything well smile.gif
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A Pap smear can seem like a horrific medical test if you have never had one. Truth be told, Pap smears are painless and only take minutes to perform! Unfortunately fear of the unknown can cause women to delay getting a Pap smear, and possibly causing not getting a Pap test ever!

The Pap smear is a vital test that can detect abnormal cervical changes long before they become cancerous. It is a highly effective tool for preventing the disease!

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did my second check; at klinik prime care @ phileo damansara 1, only cost RM 50; compared to the one I did last year, which was RM 90...

this time lady doctor...abit "rough" though

but bad service....cos never follow up when report comes out; i nit to call to ask vmad.gif


Added on November 20, 2009, 9:00 pm vmad.gif n the dr din even care to explain; but ask the nurse to pass me the report, as though i noe how to read mad.gif

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did my second check; at klinik prime care @ phileo damansara 1, only cost RM 50; compared to the one I did last year, which was RM 90...

this time lady doctor...abit "rough" though

but bad service....cos never follow up when report comes out; i nit to call to ask vmad.gif


Added on November 20, 2009, 9:00 pm vmad.gif n the dr din even care to explain; but ask the nurse to pass me the report, as though i noe how to read mad.gif
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RM 40 to interpret the report. So its still RM 90 haha
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What is the average charge for this?
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QUOTE(leyley @ Dec 7 2009, 10:31 PM)
What is the average charge for this?
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I just did mine last week at Klinik Teh, Damansara Uptown. Dr. Teh charged me RM50.
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hmm.. important topic for women... why dont try to post at girls club.. will help more..
sometimes,not all of the user check on this topic..
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Read my personal experience of going to a pap smear.
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QUOTE(Yvaine @ Dec 12 2009, 01:02 PM)
I just did mine last week at Klinik Teh, Damansara Uptown. Dr. Teh charged me RM50.
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We in the Ministry of Health provide the service to those who are already sexually active, free of charge. Please don't hesitate to come k.
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QUOTE(Zeliard @ Jan 13 2010, 10:45 PM)
We in the Ministry of Health provide the service to those who are already sexually active, free of charge. Please don't hesitate to come k.
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Ministry of Health? unsure.gif means going to govt hospital?
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QUOTE(Zeliard @ Jan 13 2010, 10:45 PM)
We in the Ministry of Health provide the service to those who are already sexually active, free of charge. Please don't hesitate to come k.
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yeap what do u mean? more details ??
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Go to any health clinic (klinik kesihatan).
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Hi gurls smile.gif !!
Good news!!!those who are interested to know more bout what is cervic cancer is all about..there is a talk bout this by Dr.Aishah Tul Radziah from Dr.Aishah Solution (DAS), your medical expertise who has medical experiences more than 20 years ohmy.gif !!
You guys are welcomed to Bank Islam Bukit Damansara tomorrow..below, there are further details..please and please welcome and enhanced our knowledge more bout this flex.gif

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please let all ur luv ones know bout this..as far as i am concerned bout this issue..you all should feel da same way too smile.gif
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Girls I came across that there's some injections to prevent cervical cancel.. It had total 3 injections.. Each injection Rm 200 +-..

I was wondering do I need to had my pap smear check before I take this injections..?

Or I just need to do pap smear instead of getting this injections..?

I actually consulted doc bout this injection.. It claim that it doesn't had any side effect..

Btw is there any recommended clinic at Kajang or Cheras to do pap smear..?

-min chi-
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how often do you do paps smear test?
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this is a good information! I shall share this with all my friends. Thanks!
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annually... once per year
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QUOTE(cheok321 @ Mar 25 2009, 01:36 PM)
Hie there,
Just gone through lowyat health forum, wow, so much information here. Just to introduce myself, I am just a medical fresh graduate from IMU, waiting for government to post me to work in government hospital.
To clear some doubts here, yes, as someone has mentioned above, the Malaysian clinical practise guideline (called CPGs in medical field) recommended any women who are sexually active to do PAP smear.
About the frequency of doing PAP smear, it depends on the result of the first test. If it is HSIL, LSIL (which basically means STRAIGHT forward abnormal) then the doctor will do a colposcopy (a magnifying machine to examine cervix) to further investigate the cervix to check for malignancy.

So if the first result came back as ASCUS (not definite - can be normal / abnormal). This case happens normally when cervix is infected and there are white cells and these cells cloud the results. If you get ASCUS in the first result, then you HAVE to get another PAP smear in 6 MONTHS time. From then on, the frequency depends on the second result.

And, of course, if you get a NORMAL result, then you need to continue doing it annually for 3 years, then if all 3 were normal, then you continue with the regime of ONCE in 3 YEARS.  (bear in mind that if some abnormal results POP up in the middle of the routine, further investigations are required).

Yes, test can be done in LPPKN, not more than RM10, government subsidise mah.

A normal (tradisional) PAP smear cost RM40-60. A newer technique where no slide is used, where the samples are brush off in a bottle of liquid to be sent to the lab is more expensive, it costs about RM100 above.

Hope this piece of information helps.
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questions:

does anyone recommend to go to the government's hosp? i know it's subsidized but after a few subpar experience with the dental department, i'm being very skeptical with all the other departments and clinics as well.

any members have any good gynecologist to recommend? if you have, please state the clinic, charges and doctor names. thanks.

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anyway, heard about this before from my mom. she goes for a check-up annually at clinic leong, puchong. a male gynae and charges for rm50. not sure if the price had change now. pap smear is now highly recommend as one of the hk celeb - anita mui passed away from cervical cancer.
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Any good recommendations for a pap smear test around Subang/Sunway?? I would prefer a lady doctor please.
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QUOTE(Kasumie @ May 26 2010, 01:44 PM)
Any good recommendations for a pap smear test around Subang/Sunway?? I would prefer a lady doctor please.
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If you want a lady gynae...Try Dr Delilah's clinic in SS19. She's from SJMC, and my friend said she's quite good. rclxms.gif
Location: No. 73, Jalan SS 19/6, 47500 Subang Jaya.
Tel : 03-56319007 (not sure if they're still using this number though. Anyhow, you can still go to the place to check it out)

Alternatively, you can try Dr Sharad's Women Specialist Clinic in SS15. I went there - he was very attentive to all my questions and needs and gives good advice. His prices are a little steep though, but he's good. nod.gif
Location: No. 24, Ground Floor, Jalan SS15/4D, 47500 Subang Jaya. (Along the banks' row in SS15, impossible to miss it, the sign board is in bright purple)
Tel: 03-56316631

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**edited to list address, hope this helps! Remember: Prevention is better than cure!

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QUOTE(ShinYi @ Jun 7 2010, 03:09 AM)
If you want a lady gynae...Try Dr Delilah's clinic in SS19. She's from SJMC, and my friend said she's quite good. rclxms.gif
Location: No. 73, Jalan SS 19/6, Subang Jaya.
Tel : 03-56319007 (not sure if they're still using this number though. Anyhow, you can still go to the place to check it out)

Alternatively, you can try Dr Sharad's Women Specialist Clinic in SS15. I went there - he was very attentive to all my questions and needs and gives good advice. His prices are a little steep though, but he's good.  nod.gif
Location: Along the bank's row in SS15, impossible to miss it, the sign board is in bright purple.
Tel: 03-56316631

Good luck!  smile.gif
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do u need a pap's smear even if ur not sexually active?
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QUOTE(leongal @ Mar 9 2010, 02:08 PM)
how often do you do paps smear test?
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tot once a year shd be enough?
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do u need a pap's smear even if ur not sexually active?
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Nope, indeed Pap smear should NOT be done on virgins, as the procedure may injure the hymen. The risk of one getting HPV infection and hence cervical cancer is virtually negligible if she has not been sexually exposed. A gynaecologist from KKWCH Singapore once said during a medical talk that if a married woman is HPV positive, while both the husband and the wife denies any sexual intercourse with any other person whether is it present or past, one of them must have not been faithful.
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QUOTE(kheechun @ Aug 5 2010, 10:42 AM)
Nope, indeed Pap smear should NOT be done on virgins, as the procedure may injure the hymen. The risk of one getting HPV infection and hence cervical cancer is virtually negligible if she has not been sexually exposed. A gynaecologist from KKWCH Singapore once said during a medical talk that if a married woman is HPV positive, while both the husband and the wife denies any sexual intercourse with any other person whether is it present or past, one of them must have not been faithful.
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I agree with kheechun. For Virgins just wanting to do general gynae check up can check through urine test (check for urinary tract infection) or blood test that detects cancer cells. something like that... smile.gif
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QUOTE(jessecca8600 @ Aug 10 2010, 10:48 AM)
I agree with kheechun. For Virgins just wanting to do general gynae check up can check through urine test (check for urinary tract infection) or blood test that detects cancer cells. something like that...  smile.gif
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as conclusion, every gal need that checkup...
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QUOTE(jasmineh2y @ Jul 29 2010, 03:31 PM)
tot once a year shd be enough?
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Went for Pap Smear + ultrasound (stomach+breast) today... RM 430 =.="
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am thinking of going for pap smear test soon.
anyone can recommend any good gynecologist around klang area?
and also roughly how much is it for a pap smear test. has the price increase or anything?
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i did mine in kelana jaya. Just opposite Kelana Jaya LRT station. Very good gynae. I did mine just last 2 months. Pap smear and Ultrasound, it costs around RM150. Wasn't painful at all.
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You can get your Pap Smear done at Klinik Kesihatan for free.
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I want to ask, if my gf go to clinic to do a pap smear, will the doctor/nurse ask about marital status?
do she need to fill any form..? We haven't married and having a sex quite often. Plus, we're Muslim and she worried that the doctor/nurse will ask about marital certificate.. I'm very noob about thing thingy.. need your advise smile.gif
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Klinik Kesihatan Ibu & Anak will, but other normal clinics wont.

My Ob/gyn @ HUKM didnt even ask for my cert as well.
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Nov 27 2008, 01:31 AM)
I believe my suggestion was quite polite, and I'm glad you're not offended, because it would be foolish for a person of high standards to be affected by a simple statement, hence you gain my respect there smile.gif

In regards to your nurse story, it's very simple. There's no nurses here, not a hospital or clinical scenario, it's a forum where all kinds of people medically inclined and non-medically inclined come to read. So the fact is, the situation here is a PUBLIC forum smile.gif Hence I believe it would be to the advantage of everyone if medically related people spead words which we can comprehend.

To be honest, there's so many jargons in the posts above that it is almost impossible to search the meaning of each and every word!

Simple conclusion, speak simple, to be heard and understood by everyone. Impressing with jargons shows lack of attention and experience. Dont take it to heart, it's just my 2 cents worth as well smile.gif
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okay there's one nurse right here now smile.gif))
fireball u're right.. but the govt hospital where i work at, most of the patients really educated, sometimes they used jargons that i myself unaware of who has been 7 yrs in nursing hehe..not that i don't agree with you. but nowadays people have been smarter that they were back then. more lawsuits that even govt can't win. but ur post was dated 2008! hehehe

all right all right.. back to the topic. PAP Smear..
i think everything has been covered by sandboxz and the rest of you.
Just wanna share a guideline that I always refer to
from MOH.gov.my http://moh.gov.my/attachments/3969
www.cancer.org.my http://www.kaconsulting.com.my/cancer.org....hp?mgr=doc&id=8
this one also nice http://www.pocc.com.my/#/home/ and http://www.kaconsulting.com.my/cancer.org....c=services&pg=2

anyway, ive seen 5 person that i personally know, and they died young just because of undetected cervical cancer. it was then too late.
Too lazy to get pap smear, then Too late to see their children grew up and marry also.
By the way, I knew 3 person personally that got this cervical cancer even though they're virgins and not married. There was a saying during my nursing college, " Good Girls Gets all the Bad Things" . Why? I'm not sure, maybe because of genetic ? there are a lot of risk factors.

there were a private discussion between the doctors and nurses back then, where we discussed does oral sex helps to spread HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) from a guy and causes Warts to EarNnoseThroat cancer, or by sexual intercourse (to cause CA cervix) to the poor girl because HPV can lead to cancerous and precancerous changes in the cervix, it is important that this condition be diagnosed and treated. Regular pap smears are necessary to detect HPV or other abnormal changes related to this virus. Having both HPV and herpes virus together puts you at particular risk for cervical cancer.

anyway, my advise would be please wear protection during intercourse if your spouse is not screened yet. The best way when u're going to marry someone that you really love, please screen yourself and your spouse firsthand. Direct skin contact can transmit HPV viruses and increases the risk of getting cervical CA. Protect yourselves and your loved ones..

my point is, Please do not worry about the PAP Smear procedure. It will only cause a temporary discomfort. Imagine if u don't go for PAP Smear early, when u're diagnosed Cervical CA it will be too late..hard to cure..the worst part is you'll never see your loved ones again, never see your chilren grow up..because Don't play-play ah Cervical CA can be Life Threatening!

just an individual opinion. please correct me if im wrong. do ask me if i used any jargons that u doesn't understand.. smile.gif

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Yeap. Pap smear, somehow felt comfortable for some women. but just only last a couple of min.

Pre-cancerous at least you can do something better than u detect it later.

Btw, low immune system normally the rate of getting HPV is higher.
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After going through a lot of VEs during pregnancy and a SNS (stretch and sweep) during delivery, doing pap smear is prolly the least uncomfortable thing in my books biggrin.gif

I'll get more info from KK regarding procedures and will post it here after I'm done with my confinement.
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i go annually
if your doctor is good, you wont feel a thing .. very fast and efficient
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Governmnt clinic you need to be married first to do it. And it only rm1. For private, i dunno the clinic near u but the clinic near otk,sentul is quite good and reasonable price. Around rm 50 and less la. Strongly suggested to unmarried and sexually active girl. Cause we never noes when will it strucks us so better for us to prevent and get ready.
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Hi peoples, i've decided to go for my first pap smear soon and was wondering anyone could recommend any clinics in Penang Island?
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Hi peoples, i've decided to go for my first pap smear soon and was wondering anyone could recommend any clinics in Penang Island?
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go to island hospital - dr eric

he's very good .. has a night clinic on thursdays (i think) so if you cant make it during normal hours you can schedule an appointment at night

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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Oct 18 2010, 06:02 PM)
go to island hospital - dr eric

he's very good .. has a night clinic on thursdays (i think) so if you cant make it during normal hours you can schedule an appointment at night
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Hi there,

uhm i assume he will charge superbly expensive since its from island hospital yea ? and of course every girls prefer it would be a female doc blush.gif
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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 18 2010, 11:04 PM)
Hi there,

uhm i assume he will charge superbly expensive since its from island hospital yea ? and of course every girls prefer it would be a female doc  blush.gif
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hmm.. the test itself is not so expensive, i cant remember exactly how much but mine cost quite a bit cos i went for a blood test as well ...
nurse is female la, and he's very fast and professional so like .. tak malu lor

but if you really want a female you can go to gleneagles .. dr yeoh ... but you need to book appointment sometimes up to 1 month in advance ... i think its about somewhere between RM60-100
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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Oct 19 2010, 01:00 AM)
hmm.. the test itself is not so expensive, i cant remember exactly how much but mine cost quite a bit cos i went for a blood test as well ...
nurse is female la, and he's very fast and professional so like .. tak malu lor

but if you really want a female you can go to gleneagles .. dr yeoh ... but you need to book appointment sometimes up to 1 month in advance ... i think its about somewhere between RM60-100
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oh thanks alot for your info. smile.gif

i search around and found this (near green lane)
http://tmcpenang.com/www/index.php?option=...id=56&Itemid=78

RM198 including

* Consultation by O&G (report provided)
* Pap Smear
* Examination by Specialist Consultant for Breast, Abdomen and Pelvic

Just wonder if its worth it to pay a lil extra for the 3rd service.
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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 20 2010, 10:57 AM)
oh thanks alot for your info.  smile.gif

i search around and found this (near green lane)
http://tmcpenang.com/www/index.php?option=...id=56&Itemid=78

RM198 including     

    * Consultation by O&G (report provided)
    * Pap Smear
    * Examination by Specialist Consultant for Breast, Abdomen and Pelvic

Just wonder if its worth it to pay a lil extra for the 3rd service.
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well when i go for my annual the examination is included ... just check for any lumps/growths or whatever
if any specific concerns then ultrasound, blood test .... theres extra charge for that

oh, make sure you keep track of your period days as well, cos dr will usually ask
hope this helps !
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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Oct 20 2010, 05:22 PM)
well when i go for my annual the examination is included ... just check for any lumps/growths or whatever
if any specific concerns then ultrasound, blood test .... theres extra charge for that

oh, make sure you keep track of your period days as well, cos dr will usually ask
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rclxms.gif Thanks again. I do always keep track of my period dates. They are usually pretty accurate, its good to be accurate right? blink.gif
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LPPKN provides Pap Smear service for a small fee (less than RM50).

Full list of charges - http://www.lppkn.gov.my/pdf/fidancaj2008.pdf


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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 25 2010, 11:32 PM)
rclxms.gif Thanks again. I do always keep track of my period dates. They are usually pretty accurate, its good to be accurate right?  blink.gif
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my period was unpredictable, sometimes got, sometimes don't have ... which is why i had to go for a blood test >.<
My doctor put me on the pill, so its nice and regular now, but PMS mood swing like crazy sweat.gif
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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Oct 26 2010, 11:49 PM)
yep
my period was unpredictable, sometimes got, sometimes don't have ... which is why i had to go for a blood test >.<
My doctor put me on the pill, so its nice and regular now, but PMS mood swing like crazy  sweat.gif
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Ah need take pill to make it accurate ah. Uhm.. i feel lucky that i dont have mood swing. You take care smile.gif Try to overcome it. Alright think we are a lil out of topic. ph34r.gif
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hello there, i also plan to do my 1st pap smear test. Do anyone know where is the best clinic (of course not so expensive biggrin.gif) I can go for nearby PJ area?
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It's very sad to realized, we women actually have higher chance of getting cancer compared to guys sad.gif one of my fren's sister actually died at the age of 15 due to cervical cancer, in which it confuses me. I thought cervical cancer only happen to older women especially those sexually active women are in the highest risk category, my fren's sister is a virgin and at this young age, i don't think anybody will think of going for a pap smear test, does that mean next time if i have a daughter i have to bring her for pap smear test at the age of 10? hmm....
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QUOTE(chloelingeelin @ Nov 13 2010, 08:32 PM)
It's very sad to realized, we women actually have higher chance of getting cancer compared to guys sad.gif one of my fren's sister actually died at the age of 15 due to cervical cancer, in which it confuses me. I thought cervical cancer only happen to older women especially those sexually active women are in the highest risk category, my fren's sister is a virgin and at this young age, i don't think anybody will think of going for a pap smear test, does that mean next time if i have a daughter i have to bring her for pap smear test at the age of 10? hmm....
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Omg, never heard from you also never know such thing it would happen. How would the health/medical educational explained on this? Even a virgin girl are exposed to this.
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Omg, never heard from you also never know such thing it would happen. How would the health/medical educational explained on this? Even a virgin girl are exposed to this.
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it's a true story, i was shocked to hear that too, and when the family realized there is something wrong with her, it was too late, she died after just 1-2 week after dignosed, sad....
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QUOTE(chloelingeelin @ Nov 13 2010, 08:54 PM)
it's a true story, i was shocked to hear that too, and when the family realized there is something wrong with her, it was too late, she died after just 1-2 week after dignosed, sad....
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Nov 13 2010, 10:14 PM)
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rclxms.gif So good.

Usually need to wait 2 weeks and they will call you to get the report ah?
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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Nov 14 2010, 11:12 AM)
rclxms.gif So good.

Usually need to wait 2 weeks and they will call you to get the report ah?
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Mine is 6 weeks (gov hospital). Hopefully everything's ok biggrin.gif
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ordinary pap smear only look at cells placed on the slide by the doc/nurse doing the smear.

if you get a poorly collected smear- contaminated heavily, dried up slide with cells all curled up, over enthuthiastic scrapping with thick layers of overlapping cells, you can imagine how inaccurate the report is going to be.

A better way now is to do the liquid based cytology, the doc/nurse just collect as much as possible the cells and let the lab spin down the cells and spread them out nicely for better visualisation and more accurate examination of the cells.

Has anybody done this?It has been available for few years already in the market.
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This thread is dead?

I intend to go for a pap smear this month at BP lab, anyone been there for pap smear? wonder how much do they charge...
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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Jul 13 2011, 12:42 PM)
This thread is dead?

I intend to go for a pap smear this month at BP lab, anyone been there for pap smear? wonder how much do they charge...
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Wanted to post about my first pap smear done at BP lab the other day but forgotten about it till I saw this thread up here again. tongue.gif

Anyway, it's RM50 if you do a pap smear ONLY, but if you take any of their normal blood test, it's RM40 for the pap smear.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 14 2011, 01:06 PM)
Wanted to post about my first pap smear done at BP lab the other day but forgotten about it till I saw this thread up here again. tongue.gif

Anyway, it's RM50 if you do a pap smear ONLY, but if you take any of their normal blood test, it's RM40 for the pap smear.
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any ideas how much women clinic charge for pap smear? also ard RM50?
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any ideas how much women clinic charge for pap smear? also ard RM50?
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Should be around that. I'm not sure. Might be cheaper since they will be charging for consultation also. It's best you just call them up and ask how much they charge.
Like if I go to my gynae, she'll charge RM60 for consultation already, if I do a pap smear for RM50 then it will come out to RM110 total.

BP Lab will have a doctor to go thru your results after it comes out and have a consultation as well. smile.gif
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 14 2011, 01:32 PM)
Should be around that. I'm not sure. Might be cheaper since they will be charging for consultation also. It's best you just call them up and ask how much they charge.
Like if I go to my gynae, she'll charge RM60 for consultation already, if I do a pap smear for RM50 then it will come out to RM110 total.

BP Lab will have a doctor to go thru your results after it comes out and have a consultation as well. smile.gif
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This thread is inactive? Uhm.. i called up Bplab Penang for a pap smear test but their schedule is full till January.. =\
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i know lab normally charge for RM 30-50
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Hi, is this thread still active?

Can anyone tell me what does it mean by

The smear is satisfactory for evaluation.
Endocervical cells are present.
There are reactive cellular changes associated with inflammation.
Atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance.
No monilia or trichomonas identified.
Inflammatory smear.

Thank you.
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QUOTE(WindowsVista @ Jun 9 2012, 06:24 PM)
Hi, is this thread still active?

Can anyone tell me what does it mean by

The smear is satisfactory for evaluation.
Endocervical cells are present.
There are reactive cellular changes associated with inflammation.
Atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance.
No monilia or trichomonas identified.
Inflammatory smear.

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Tat means, theres nothing to worry about...
just a bit inflamed... may be ur doc would prescribe u come antibiotic cream or orally... else its normal...
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if its normal, how come doctor is asking to repeat the test after 6 months.

and doctor gave vagina pills.
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if its normal, how come doctor is asking to repeat the test after 6 months.

and doctor gave vagina pills.
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Why not ask the doctor what is wrong? I doubt anyone here would know, unless they are a doctor themselves.

When we get our pap smear results back, the doctor should explain what is wrong, I doubt you would blindly accept consuming pills without knowing what's the purpose of it either. Besides, what in the world are 'vagina pills'?
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QUOTE(WindowsVista @ Jun 9 2012, 07:24 PM)
if its normal, how come doctor is asking to repeat the test after 6 months.

and doctor gave vagina pills.
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Why not ask the doctor what is wrong? I doubt anyone here would know, unless they are a doctor themselves.

When we get our pap smear results back, the doctor should explain what is wrong, I doubt you would blindly accept consuming pills without knowing what's the purpose of it either. Besides, what in the world are 'vagina pills'?
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The reason ur doc gave u the vaginal tablet is because the report said: "There are reactive cellular changes associated with inflammation." if u read the tablet name and search online, it'd mostly b an antibiotic or anti-inflammatory tablet.

and the reason ur doctor wants u to repeat the smear after 6 months is because: "ATYPICAL squamous cells of UNDETERMINED significance." and since inflamed epithelial cells of the cervix gave an atypical looks under microscope, which would b similar to that of earliest stage of Ca. cervix, but in a GREAT NUMBER. And since its of UNDETERMINED SIGNIFICANT, the atypical squamous cells in ur cervix is very likely due to inflammation, nothing else.

But ur doctor doesnt want to take the risk, so he/she asked u to follow-up again after 6 months, if by that time, inflammation reduced, and PAP smear back to normal, then its ok. Dont worry, by the looks of it, it showed ur doctor knows exactly wat he/she is doing and is taking a very good care of you.

Dont worry too much, even if it is positive after 6 months, the treatment would most probably be just a simple biopsy, because he/she would hav caught it very very early and will still be 'carcinoma-in-situ', which means the atypical epithelial cells have not yet crossed the basement membrane, so a simple biopsy would be able to remove all the atypical cells...

One important thing is, if u can feel any growth of tissue in ur cervix during these 6 months, even as small as 1 mm, go back to ur doctor right away...

And next time, if at all, try to avoid aggressive sexual intercourse 7 days before ur PAP smear.. cause tat itself may cause injury to cervical cells -> inflammation.

For ur info, I m a doctor... and to answer another member's question, 'vaginal pill' is just a pill to keep inside the vaginal instead of taking it orally...
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Thank you for your explanation.

How accurate is the test if we still having period? That day when I did the test was my forth day of period. But it consider already clean. However after the test, few hours later there are bleeding coming out. Is that normal after the test, or my period still continue to flow?
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Good to have a doctor here to explain and clear things up.

As for best time to pap smear, I was told it's around 10th-20th days of the menstrual cycle.
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QUOTE(WindowsVista @ Jun 11 2012, 12:31 PM)
Thank you for your explanation.

How accurate is the test if we still having period? That day when I did the test was my forth day of period. But it consider already clean. However after the test, few hours later there are bleeding coming out. Is that normal after the test, or my period still continue to flow?
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Ur welcome..

munkeyflo has answered ur question... and tat is exactly wat is recommended... 10-20th days of menstrual cycle
But as long as the flow is light at the time the PAP smear is taken, then tats fine.. the reason being is we dont want the flow to contaminate the PAP smear, other than tat, its fine... and since the pathologist did not write contaminated slide, then ur smear was ok.. smile.gif
And if the PAP smear ccouldnt b taken due to heavy flow, ur doctor would definitely tell u tat and would ask u to come back after 10+ days later..

Its most probably ur period still continue to flow... cause when taking PAP smear, we dont injure to the cervix or the vaginal wall, its just a simple scraping the most superficial layer of the cervical epithelium cells...


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I'm curious whether there are any risks of unnecessary infection through pap smear?

There are always tons of patients walking in and out from the doctor's office.

Are the sterilisations effective?
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I'm curious whether there are any risks of unnecessary infection through pap smear?

There are always tons of patients walking in and out from the doctor's office.

Are the sterilisations effective?
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Nowadays each stick that they use to take the samples are in a sterilised packaging from factory one. Practically the doctor only open the kit set when patient request to do the test.
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need some help here... I hv been having very light bleeding about 1 week after my period ended. the bleeding last for a few days. previously, i dun hv this problem but this is already the second month i m experiencing this. do i need to go for a pap smear (am a virgin)? i am not sure if i need to see a normal gp or gynae. any recommendations of gynae for period problem?
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people, if we wana do pap smear n std test , will they phone our house and tell our parents if they is sumthing wrong?or will they post the reaults to our house?
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you will need to go collect the results by yourself, or you may call them up.

Some clinics will call you up (the contact number that you've provided to them) for results collection.

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QUOTE(asil66 @ Oct 24 2013, 10:17 PM)
need some help here... I hv been having very light bleeding about 1 week after my period ended. the bleeding last for a few days. previously, i dun hv this problem but this is already the second month i m experiencing this. do i need to go for a pap smear (am a virgin)?  i am not sure if i need to see a normal gp or gynae. any recommendations of gynae for period problem?
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Go to see a gynae. Any gynae will be able to check on you. Recommendations? Get one that you are comfortable with. We don't know your location as well so it's hard to recommend.

Any hospital will have one or few gynae available, or just go to those klinik wanita. How old are you? You can easily search on the internet when is it recommended to get a pap smear done, i.e. after you become sexually active (had sex) or when you reach 21 year old whichever comes first.

Anyhow, pap smear test will not solve your period problem. Doesn't mean you have period problem means you must go for pap smear. Pap smear is more to check for abnormalities on your cervix and for cervical cancer.
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Hi,

Did anyone try out Thin Prep Pap smear? Heard that it's more accurate than traditional Pap smear. Thru my limited resources, I googled and found out only KPJ Damansara has this screening. Any other places offer this screening as well?

http://www.kpjdamansara.com/pap-smear-package.php
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Hi, I am from Batu Caves / Selayang area. I have sexually active since 3 years ago but I did not done any pap smear test yet. I did not change my sex partner for the 3 years. Hence, now since I am thinking to tied the knot, I want to go for a pap smear test. Any recommendation of clinic nearby my area which cost not expensive?

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Any clinic will be just fine, this should be done on yearly basis once we start having sex
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QUOTE(Gwyneth @ Dec 29 2015, 05:58 PM)
Hi, I am from Batu Caves / Selayang area. I have sexually active since 3 years ago but I did not done any pap smear test yet. I did not change my sex partner for the 3 years. Hence, now since I am thinking to tied the knot, I want to go for a pap smear test. Any recommendation of clinic nearby my area which cost not expensive?

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Any gynae or lab (BP, etc.) can do it for you.
Private hospitals may charge a higher price.

You should be having annual (or once in 2 years) pap smears once you start having sex.
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https://www.mydoc.my/clinic/kl-gynaecologis...eneagles-medini
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government clinic.. FOC
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Any gynae to recommend around cheras?
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If I had taken HPV vaccine long time ago, do I need to do pap test?
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Why do ppl say that after age 30++ baru necessary to do pap smear ya?
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Hi any good recommendation for cheras area?
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It is so important for girls to get their pap smear test as soon as they start having intercourse. You never know, and better to be on the safe side. A good gyno that I've gone to is a women's center in Bangsar. I would highly recommend it you seek gyno services. I have gone and other friends of mine as well, the doctor, she makes you feel very comfortable and friendly service.
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It is a nice post, may I would like to use your services just useful information.
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QUOTE(shadowprincess @ Jul 14 2005, 09:18 AM)
Alternative names  

Papanicolaou test

Definition

A Pap smear is a microscopic examination of cells scraped from the cervix.

How the test is performed

The Pap smear is performed as part of a gynecological exam. You will lie on a table and place your feet in stirrups to position your pelvis for examination. A speculum (an instrument used to open the walls of the vaginal canal to see the interior) will be inserted into your vagina and opened slightly.

A sample of cells from the outside and the canal of the cervix is taken by gently scraping the outside of the cervix with a wooden or plastic spatula, then inserting a small brush that looks like a pipe cleaner into the canal.

The cells are placed on a glass slide and sprayed with a fixative, or put in a bottle containing a preservative, then sent to the lab for examination.

How to prepare for the test

The health care provider should be notified if you have had a prior abnormal Pap smear, if you might be pregnant, or if you are taking any medications or birth control pills. You should avoid douching, using tampons, having intercourse, and tub baths 24 hours before the test.

Avoid scheduling your Pap smear while you are menstruating, because blood and cells from the endometrial cavity may obscure the accuracy of the Pap smear. Empty your bladder just before the test.

How the test will feel   

There may be some discomfort and a feeling of pressure during the procedure. A small amount of bleeding may occur after the test.

Why the test is performed

The Pap smear can detect cancerous or precancerous conditions of the cervix. For recommendations on the frequency of having this test done, see the information on cervicitis.

Normal Values   

A normal value is negative, meaning there are no abnormal cells present.

What abnormal results mean   

Abnormal values are based on the test results. The current system of reporting divides the results into three main areas: benign (noncancerous), precancerous (showing some abnormal cell changes), and malignant (possibly cancerous).

A report in the latter two categories will usually lead to a follow-up examination, including a repeat Pap smear and possibly other tests. If you have never had an abnormal Pap smear before, and the result indicates a mild abnormality, the Pap test is repeated in 6 months.

If the test result suggests a severe abnormality or cancer, you may need an immediate colposcopic evaluation with biopsies. If you have had an abnormal Pap test in the past, or have had treatment for a precancerous change, you may need an immediate colposcopy.

The Pap smear is a screening test. Any abnormal results should be discussed with your health care professional, who will help determine if a colposcopy is necessary.

What the risks are 

There are no risks involved.

Special considerations   

The following drugs may affect Pap smears:

Colchicine
Estrogen
Podophyllin
Progestins
Silver nitrate
Compounds in cigarettes

source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003911.htm

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it seems pretty risky to do it yourself though, y not consult dr, go to nearest clinic n ask if this can b done by the dr.? unsure.gif
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What's the difference between conventional pap smear vs thinprep?
Anyone has tried thinprep??
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QUOTE(Jayne K @ Jun 12 2018, 10:07 PM)
hahaha of course la..
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Hi,

You can try to consult Dr Idora online via Teleme. She does pap smear test.

https://teleme.co/doctors/profile/idora-mohamed

Hope that helps smile.gif
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Good information for woman. Thanks for sharing. smile.gif
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I went to government clinik.. It's only cost RM1.. From got number until test done only took me 2 hours.. thumbsup.gif
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How often must woman do this test?
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QUOTE(Queen_AQ @ Jan 2 2020, 11:33 AM)
How often must woman do this test?
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pap smear is to detect cervical cancer. one risk for Cx ca is certain subtypes of HPV infections, which women can get from sexual contact. so, nuns, virgins who are very low risk for these subtypes, probably may not need the smear but dont quote me on that.
in general it is recommended to start at 21 if sexually active, every 3 years until 65.
some countries do this with HPV tests as well
after that, you may not need pap smear anymore
read up on HPV
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I went to government clinik.. It's only cost RM1.. From got number until test done only took me 2 hours..  thumbsup.gif
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yes, screening tests like this in general, you may not need a private set up
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QUOTE(rinsedpie @ May 6 2020, 05:36 PM)
pap smear is to detect cervical cancer. one risk for Cx ca is certain subtypes of HPV infections, which women can get from sexual contact. so, nuns, virgins who are very low risk for these subtypes, probably may not need the smear but dont quote me on that.
in general it is recommended to start at 21 if sexually active, every 3 years until 65.
some countries do this with HPV tests as well
after that, you may not need pap smear anymore
read up on HPV
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I am not sexually active for the past few years, 3-4 years maybe, I cannot remember correctly. Do I need to have the test too? I’m very worry about STD because sometime the groin part is itchy. I have bought the feminine hygiene soap from drug store. It helps sometime but over the time the itch will reoccur.
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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ May 24 2020, 09:24 PM)
I am not sexually active for the past few years, 3-4 years maybe, I cannot remember correctly. Do I need to have the test too? I’m very worry about STD because sometime the groin part is itchy. I have bought the feminine hygiene soap from drug store. It helps sometime but over the time the itch will reoccur.
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yes you do (need a routine Pap Smear), arrange this through your Family Doctor, or better, thru the Public Hospitals.
itchiness in the groin region is commonly associated with infestations eg of Sarcoptes scabiei (scabies) and a few others.
itchiness of the genitalia is more of STDs.
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QUOTE(rinsedpie @ May 25 2020, 03:00 AM)
yes you do (need a routine Pap Smear), arrange this through your Family Doctor, or better, thru the Public Hospitals.
itchiness in the groin region is commonly associated with infestations eg of Sarcoptes scabiei (scabies) and a few others.
itchiness of the genitalia is more of STDs.
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Wow... thanks for the info girl. 😘
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Wow... thanks for the info girl. 😘
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unfortunately Princess, Im not a girl. But you are welcome.
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Owh... I’m so sorry šŸ˜…
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Owh... I’m so sorry šŸ˜…
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found out a lot actually )
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I went to government clinik.. It's only cost RM1.. From got number until test done only took me 2 hours..  thumbsup.gif
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do u have to make special appointment , or is it any government clinic..
as i know my cousin sis did mention she wants to do but the tot of it freaks her out..
how does the check up at the government clinic / hospital works?
specific department or need like referral letter etc?


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QUOTE(alvinboey @ Jun 23 2020, 05:22 PM)
do u have to make special appointment , or is it any government clinic..
as i know my cousin sis did mention she wants to do but the tot of it freaks her out..
how does the check up at the government clinic / hospital works?
specific department or need like referral letter etc?
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I went to Klinik Kesihatan which near my house & ask counter whether got Pap Smear Test then the staff gave me the specific day & time which can do the test.. But i think not every Klinik Kesihatan got this service.. U may call to ask..
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post Jul 2 2020, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(@xiaoV@ @ Jun 29 2020, 06:38 PM)
I went to Klinik Kesihatan which near my house & ask counter whether got Pap Smear Test then the staff gave me the specific day & time which can do the test.. But i think not every Klinik Kesihatan got this service.. U may call to ask..
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ic thats how it works. thanks will ask her to get all these checked herself..be darn awkward for a dude to be calling asking all these >.<
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post Jul 4 2020, 06:26 PM

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Do you need to go for papsmear yearly? Does it automatically detects problems before they turn more damaging?
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post Aug 7 2020, 02:36 PM

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can i do PAP smear if I got weird vaginal discharge?

It looks like period blood but the discharge is brownish (like dry out blood/old blood) and the flow is low. Usually happens in my period days coz after i have this discharge i wont get any period coming after.

It worries me that something wrong with my body. Coz most of the time i get normal period bleeding except certain months i get these brownish discharge. I'm never had sex before so I'm thinking if PAP smears able to find out what's wrong?
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QUOTE(StressedUp @ Aug 7 2020, 02:36 PM)
can i do PAP smear if I got weird vaginal discharge?

It looks like period blood but the discharge is brownish (like dry out blood/old blood) and the flow is low. Usually happens in my period days coz after i have this discharge i wont get any period coming after.

It worries me that something wrong with my body. Coz most of the time i get normal period bleeding except certain months i get these brownish discharge. I'm never had sex before so I'm thinking if PAP smears able to find out what's wrong?
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Yea I think you should, doesnt matter if u are a virgin or not. At least tell the doctor abt ur problem to be on the safe side.

 

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