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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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lch78
post May 12 2011, 02:17 PM

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I don't think RM1500 monthly income requirement is a realistic figure. Ppl usually buy car first and that already eat a large portion of their income... Where got extra money to pay for house installment. RM1500 salary can only afford RM100k house only...
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post May 12 2011, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(tanch78 @ May 12 2011, 12:54 PM)
I noticed a significant increase of low/medium cost flat/apartment (< RM100k) being auctioned lately. Why don't government collabrate with banks to promote these house to the poor/needy? If they are truely poor and just need a roof to live, they can't be choosy, right?

May be government can provide some incentive to those buyer, like tax break of RM10k over 3 years of tax assessment (for expense to renovate/clean up the flat). Bank can abosrb lawyear fee / stamp duty, etc as part of their corporate social resposibility and probably provide lower than market housing loan scheme.

Am I too simple minded or the above is worthwhile or possible to be implemented by the government with collabration from the banks?  hmm.gif

ps. I am not a property expert though, just my 0.01 cents.  wink.gif
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My personal view.

No gov intervention is preferred.
Most of the time, too many intervention measure by gov, can lead to inefficient issue.

Also, Gov intervention mean you open up channel for crony, political linked issue may arise.

Tax break for poor?
Most poor doesn't need to pay tax. Those pay tax means you at least earn 2.5k above.

The real and effective to do social responsibility, can come from RPGT.
Any property transacted >200k, RPGT is imposed.

Those RPGT money collected then can channel to build low cost housing as gov funding to build low cost.
This is a muchmore effective way of social responsibility.

or those property transacted below 200k, has a low flat rate stamp duty.

Just my view.

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post May 12 2011, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ May 12 2011, 02:03 PM)
Yeah but the houses were meant for those with 3K household income right?  It is simply not logical.
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Did I said that?
Nobody can stop you fr buying, you earn RM1500/mth, can commit 250k house..
but dun complaint money not enough..
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post May 12 2011, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 12 2011, 02:30 PM)
Did I said that?
Nobody can stop you fr buying, you earn RM1500/mth, can commit 250k house..
but dun complaint money not enough..
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Clarification, I was referring to this:
QUOTE(kh8668 @ May 11 2011, 10:18 PM)
KOTA BARU: Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad (SPNB) is waiting for eligible applicants for 11,000 units of houses it had built under the My First Home Scheme.

SPNB chairman Datuk Idris Haron said the houses, priced at RM220,000 each, were ready and that it was waiting for Govern­ment approval to start selling them.

“SPNB is ready to assist the younger generation who earn less than RM3,000 per month to own their first homes.
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Assuming this houses are reserved for household income of RM3K only...

Then this apparently is not reasonable. and as you said, they are better off renting.
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post May 12 2011, 04:54 PM

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post May 12 2011, 05:27 PM

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how about "skim rumah pertamaku"???
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post May 12 2011, 05:33 PM

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not all can benefit from that skim rumah pertamaku
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post May 12 2011, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(22222222 @ May 12 2011, 04:54 PM)
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他指出,地产商要在巴生谷兴建22万令吉以下的房屋是不可能的事情,因为巴生谷就住有我国三分之一的人口,其地产价格的升幅也排名全国最高。唯有柔佛、威省和马六甲还有可能兴建这个价格的房屋。


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He pointed out that developers in the Klang Valley to 22 million ringgit following the construction of houses is impossible, because the Klang Valley to have our third of the population live, the real estate price increases also ranked highest in the country. Only Johor, Malacca, Gateway province and also the price of houses may be built.


My First Home Scheme will not be useful for properties in klang valley then? or the government is expecting people in klang valley only buy lower cost apartment with the scheme? hmm.gif
i mean the majority of people that are facing the problem are in klang valley and penang, if the scheme is not workable in klang valley and penang, whats the whole point?
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post May 12 2011, 06:26 PM

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hahaha... agree..
whats the point of the skim rumah pertamaku kenot apply on klang valley.. its not like kampung kampung place the price get skyrocketing...
apa boleh buat.. BN mahhhhh..
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post May 12 2011, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 12 2011, 02:27 PM)
My personal view.

No gov intervention is preferred.
Most of the time, too many intervention measure by gov, can lead to inefficient issue.

Also, Gov intervention mean you open up channel for crony, political linked issue may arise.

Tax break for poor?
Most poor doesn't need to pay tax. Those pay tax means you at least earn 2.5k above.

The real and effective to do social responsibility, can come from RPGT.
Any property transacted >200k, RPGT is imposed.

Those RPGT money collected then can channel to build low cost housing as gov funding to build low cost.
This is a muchmore effective way of social responsibility.

or those property transacted below 200k, has a low flat rate stamp duty.

Just my view.
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Guess I am too naive. I totally miss out the point that those poor doesn't pay tax at the first place.


Added on May 12, 2011, 6:30 pm
QUOTE(CKHong @ May 12 2011, 05:33 PM)
not all can benefit from that skim rumah pertamaku
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It might end up like low cost flat ownership scheme (exclude subsale/auction), people buy and rent it out. I hope they would properly filter though the buyer background.

This post has been edited by tanch78: May 12 2011, 06:30 PM
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post May 12 2011, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 12 2011, 12:01 PM)
Average Taiwanees own 1st property = 41 years old
which means,
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 25-40,
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 41
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 42-50

and dun forget, >90% can afford to buy condo / service apt as 1st property for own stay only

I feel lucky in Malaysia, wat bout you?
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+1 thumbup.gif

Most people in their 20s are NOT supposed to be able to afford property.

But now we have fresh graduates demanding that the gomen impose various measures to handicap investors so that those 'young adults' can afford new, landed/big property in good location doh.gif


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post May 12 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ May 12 2011, 07:30 PM)


Most people in their 20s are NOT supposed to be able to afford property.

Why not?
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post May 12 2011, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ May 12 2011, 07:33 PM)
Why not?
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On average, educated ppl in many developed countries buy their first 'decent' property when they are in their 30s. Do your research if u want details, I'm not going to spoonfeed you.
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post May 12 2011, 08:15 PM

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Many years ago when the property return over 30 years period was a mere average of 6%, FD is >6%, loan term is 20 yrs max and BLR is is +x%, no body will buy property unless for own stay.

Most people will save, save, save, buy a big landed, pay a huge sum of deposit, take the shortest loan term and and live forever after.

Today, the rules of the game is totally changed.

so, change we need. Either you play with the new rules or let the rules play you.


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post May 13 2011, 07:42 AM

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Morning everyone. For your reading pleasure hmm.gif

Come invest in M'sia's booming property market, S'poreans invited
http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-view...ns-invited.html

Rise in property prices 'not acute', says Chor
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=60707

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While promising government action if home prices went up further, he said it might be premature to institute measures now.

The reintroduction of real property gains tax would be one such measure, and called on people to be reasonable in their expectations of house buying.

"There is no harm in buying a house in the outlying areas where transportation is not a problem. How do you expect a person who has just entered the workforce to buy a house, even though it is under the scheme," said Chor, adding it was also unreasonable for people to expect to buy a house on their first drawn salary.




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post May 13 2011, 10:02 AM

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we need foreigner to save our market ~
come come foreigner.. invest in bolehland biggrin.gif
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post May 13 2011, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ May 13 2011, 10:02 AM)
we need foreigner to save our market ~
come come foreigner.. invest in bolehland  biggrin.gif
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Indonesian can? they also contribute sooo much in clearing the jungle & developing our empty land, renting our low cost apartments.. rclxms.gif
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post May 13 2011, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Veda @ May 12 2011, 07:30 PM)
+1  thumbup.gif

Most people in their 20s are NOT supposed to be able to afford property.

But now we have fresh graduates demanding that the gomen impose various measures to handicap investors so that those 'young adults' can afford new, landed/big property in good location  doh.gif
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It's not just the fresh grads and it's not just in good locations.


Added on May 13, 2011, 10:17 am
QUOTE(Veda @ May 13 2011, 07:42 AM)
Morning everyone. For your reading pleasure  hmm.gif

Come invest in M'sia's booming property market, S'poreans invited
http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-view...ns-invited.html

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Yes, that's just what we need. Competing with singaporeans for our own homes.

Might as well sell off the whole country. make ourselves $$$$$rich$$$$$$!!!

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post May 13 2011, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 13 2011, 10:12 AM)
Indonesian can? they also contribute sooo much in clearing the jungle & developing our empty land, renting our low cost apartments.. rclxms.gif
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indonesia kenot leh.. they bring RM back to indon ~ tongue.gif
it worsen our economy !
singaporeeeee different.. they bring in singapore money.. they invest.. our gomen got charge this and that.. gomen untung.. masuk poket.. opps..
aii.. forgot bout one thing.. if they hold the props for few years and then sell it off.. they untung.. we rugi T_T
but if the props no ppl wan't .. they rugi.. we dindt rugi anything biggrin.gif
aish.. pro's and cons.. but still i will hope more foreigner to invest in msia..
thats how we are able to achieve high income bracket ma~
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QUOTE(CKHong @ May 13 2011, 10:30 AM)
indonesia kenot leh.. they bring RM back to indon ~  tongue.gif
it worsen our economy !
singaporeeeee different.. they bring in singapore money.. they invest.. our gomen got charge this and that.. gomen untung.. masuk poket.. opps..
aii.. forgot bout one thing.. if they hold the props for few years and then sell it off.. they untung.. we rugi  T_T
but if the props no ppl wan't .. they rugi.. we dindt rugi anything  biggrin.gif
aish.. pro's and cons.. but still i will hope more foreigner to invest in msia..
thats how we are able to achieve high income bracket ma~
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invest = in the more positive way is to build factory/HQ/Company, provide more jobs opportunity etc.
I think if they come and buy our property, we will be on the loss end, cos they have better buying power, this is slowly make the property ever more expensive. We cant fight them.

But i'm not sure what are the charges/tax/watever rules they have to comply when buying la... so it might be the other way round when everything add up together.



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