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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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tanch78
post May 12 2011, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ May 11 2011, 10:18 PM)
SPNB chairman Datuk Idris Haron said the houses, priced at RM220,000 each, were ready and that it was waiting for GovernĀ­ment approval to start selling them.

SPNB is ready to assist the younger generation who earn less than RM3,000 per month to own their first homes.

He added SPNB had received applications for the houses from 6,017 people who were earning less than RM1,500 per month.
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Household income less than RM1,500 per month to buy property RM220k. Wonder what is the monthly house loan instalment for let say 100% loan for 30 years??
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post May 12 2011, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 11 2011, 11:13 AM)
Ya agree. REIT is likely unit trust or privatization, idea, concept & purpose are good, but implementation & real execution cannot work onelah (particulary in Bolehland)
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U r right! Bolehland cannot trust toouch. whistling.gif
I look overall these big property owners are "cashing out"..i.e Sumway (last yr) n YTL n if not wrong a few more now Pavillion.
This is to spread out the risk if market slow and BLR increase to the public on being listed. rclxub.gif

if make good manoey delist and corek empty and list again..like maxis.

Banks now very selective especially on commercial prop.

So think hard before investing.
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post May 12 2011, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ May 11 2011, 11:12 PM)
As I told my friend, first warning sign is the first increase of BLR. Subsequent increases will increase your risk and holding power, better do recalculation to see your affordability. Don't just pakai hantam and loan only.

They just bought 2 props combined valued at 1.2mil. Good luck on the repayments.
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U mean ur fren bought 2 property at 1.2mil this year?

I think alot of 1st time buyer actually bought their 1st house at 450k+
my fren.. 1 RM480k+
another 1 bought at puchong, 650k, she said... it's very cheap! sweat.gif
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post May 12 2011, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(areankim @ May 12 2011, 09:46 AM)
U mean ur fren bought 2 property at 1.2mil this year?

I think alot of 1st time buyer actually bought their 1st house at 450k+
my fren.. 1 RM480k+
another 1 bought at puchong, 650k, she said... it's very cheap!  sweat.gif
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ppl now very rich
seems like normal double story in puchong reach 1 mil is not far from now?
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post May 12 2011, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(tanch78 @ May 12 2011, 12:35 AM)
Household income less than RM1,500 per month to buy property RM220k. Wonder what is the monthly house loan instalment for let say 100% loan for 30 years??
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loan - RM220k
DP - RM 0
tenure - 30 yrs
int. - 4.5%
monthly payment = RM1115
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post May 12 2011, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 12 2011, 10:04 AM)
loan - RM220k
DP - RM 0
tenure - 30 yrs
int. - 4.5%
monthly payment = RM1115
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add on to this,
assuming wife and husband are working, each person pays rm558, which is perfectly fine

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 12 2011, 10:04 AM)
loan - RM220k
DP - RM 0
tenure - 30 yrs
int. - 4.5%
monthly payment = RM1115
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Wah... crazy... they expect people with household income of Rm3000 to take a loan of RM1115?

RM220K, sounds more like something for an exec.



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post May 12 2011, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ May 11 2011, 11:12 PM)
As I told my friend, first warning sign is the first increase of BLR. Subsequent increases will increase your risk and holding power, better do recalculation to see your affordability. Don't just pakai hantam and loan only.

They just bought 2 props combined valued at 1.2mil. Good luck on the repayments.
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1.2 million.. monthly repayment gonna cost them alot..
i'm wondering how much both of them earn monthly..
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post May 12 2011, 10:27 AM

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I did a quick calculation recently on monthly expense.

Assuming

Breakfast RM3 (roti + teh tarikh)
Lunch RM5 (Economy Rice + sky juice)
Dinner RM5 (Economy Rice + sky juice)
Total RM 13
13 * 30 days = RM 390

Which would be roughly RM400 permonth perperson. If I am making RM1500, and I pay RM 500 for a house loan I share with my wife. I am left with RM600 for everything else including, bills(phone, electric, water,newspaper subscription), children's food, children's education, babysitter fees, petrol, transport maintenance bill, insurance, household items (soap, shampoo, toothpaste)....

the list goes on.

How can they afford RM500 if they are making RM1500 each?

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post May 12 2011, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ May 12 2011, 10:27 AM)
I did a quick calculation recently on monthly expense.

Assuming

Breakfast RM3 (roti + teh tarikh)
Lunch  RM5  (Economy Rice + sky juice)
Dinner  RM5  (Economy Rice + sky juice)
Total RM 13
13 * 30 days = RM 390

Which would be roughly RM400 permonth perperson.  If I am making RM1500, and I pay RM 500 for a house loan I share with my wife.  I am left with RM600  for everything else including, bills(phone, electric, water,newspaper subscription), children's food, children's education, babysitter fees, petrol, transport maintenance bill, insurance, household items (soap, shampoo, toothpaste).... 

the list goes on.

How can they afford RM500  if they are making RM1500 each?
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with salary RM1500, why must one buy a house? for me, rent a room 1st... work harder to increase personal income
If parents can support, then is different scenario
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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 12 2011, 11:02 AM)
with salary RM1500, why must one buy a house? for me, rent a room 1st... work harder to increase personal income
If parents can support, then is different scenario
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what if work too hard and exceed rm1,500 threshold and gomen say sorry cannot buy the rm220k house anymore? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kochin @ May 12 2011, 11:05 AM)
what if work too hard and exceed rm1,500 threshold and gomen say sorry cannot buy the rm220k house anymore?  rclxub.gif
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at 1st place, RM1500 income shdn't commit 200K loan,
I feel reasonable is 150K worth of property, if not dun buy, rent
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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...nd-high-prices/

He said, however, he sympathised with Rehda over ā€œindirect taxationā€ which came in the form of developers having to build public utility infrastructure which added to the cost of residential property.

ā€œWe too have lobbied for such infrastructures to be carried by the respective public-listed utility companies because they are business ventures,ā€ he said.


when msia govt short of $$ (due to corruptions, leaks etc), i think more and more developers need to bear the cost of infrastructures eg bridges, flyover, tunnels, new access roads, road widening (eg rawang by gamuda, guocoland etc ), drainages, lanscaping, subsidy the mrt/lrt land for schools, carpark, garden, masjid/surau etc. At the end the extra costs will pass to the new house buyers. So expect the home price go up more. it is just like the new home buyers subsidy the govt to build all the above infrastructures. (Msia boleh!)

The old home buyers will benefited the most as old days the developers do not need to build so many infrastructures (as the traffic is not busy/complicated etc) and they can now enjoyed the rocketed price rise. eg BU in 80s,90s--no brigde, tunnel, flyovers etc. Now the new house price from SHC, Berjaya, Mammoth, MK etc already include all the above facilities..(all developers need to share the costs). The more developments the more infrastructure needed to cater for the needs of resident (old and new). Unless they stop new launchs which is impossible. Expect to see more flyovers, infrastructure in Damansara (but the govt will not going to foot the bills, it is u..)
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post May 12 2011, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 12 2011, 11:37 AM)
at 1st place, RM1500 income shdn't commit 200K loan,
I feel reasonable is 150K worth of property, if not dun buy, rent
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agree...
if 1.5k can borrow 200k, then 3k can borrow 400k, 6k borrow 800k!
that just means more of same risky debts spread over a much larger no. of borrowers.
if incomes are low and not to rise, there is no way for more people to own houses, mid or high cost.
this 220k home scheme can become a bubble on its own, unless gomen has a plan to bailout or write off!!
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post May 12 2011, 12:01 PM

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Average Taiwanees own 1st property = 41 years old
which means,
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 25-40,
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 41
1/3 of the buyers buy 1st property at age 42-50

and dun forget, >90% can afford to buy condo / service apt as 1st property for own stay only

I feel lucky in Malaysia, wat bout you?

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post May 12 2011, 12:30 PM

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cannot la bro, where should our friend who bought his property at age 22 sits tongue.gif
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post May 12 2011, 12:54 PM

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I noticed a significant increase of low/medium cost flat/apartment (< RM100k) being auctioned lately. Why don't government collabrate with banks to promote these house to the poor/needy? If they are truely poor and just need a roof to live, they can't be choosy, right?

May be government can provide some incentive to those buyer, like tax break of RM10k over 3 years of tax assessment (for expense to renovate/clean up the flat). Bank can abosrb lawyear fee / stamp duty, etc as part of their corporate social resposibility and probably provide lower than market housing loan scheme.

Am I too simple minded or the above is worthwhile or possible to be implemented by the government with collabration from the banks? hmm.gif

ps. I am not a property expert though, just my 0.01 cents. wink.gif


Added on May 12, 2011, 12:59 pm
QUOTE(property101 @ May 12 2011, 12:30 PM)
cannot la bro, where should our friend who bought his property at age 22 sits tongue.gif
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Unfortunately he has closed the thread, otherwise I am going to write some nasty comment too!!! Not everyone is as lucky as him (got FAMA support), moreover a lot of people that I know need to support the family right after graduate when they started to work.

Sorry, I am oops.gif

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post May 12 2011, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(tanch78 @ May 12 2011, 12:54 PM)
I noticed a significant increase of low/medium cost flat/apartment (< RM100k) being auctioned lately. Why don't government collabrate with banks to promote these house to the poor/needy? If they are truely poor and just need a roof to live, they can't be choosy, right?

May be government can provide some incentive to those buyer, like tax break of RM10k over 3 years of tax assessment (for expense to renovate/clean up the flat). Bank can abosrb lawyear fee / stamp duty, etc as part of their corporate social resposibility and probably provide lower than market housing loan scheme.

Am I too simple minded or the above is worthwhile or possible to be implemented by the government with collabration from the banks?  hmm.gif

ps. I am not a property expert though, just my 0.01 cents.  wink.gif
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think you are onto something here.
but tough luck.
just take the haze for example. it occurs nearly every year. pattern is similiar and area is also identified. with all our technology advances, one would have thought that humans would have the capacity to prevent peat fire, no?
sometimes, ability to do something and the will to do the things are entirely different things.
some have the ability but no motives.
some have motive but no ability.
only people with ability and motive can move things around.
of course, they are extraordinary cases.
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post May 12 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 12 2011, 11:02 AM)
with salary RM1500, why must one buy a house? for me, rent a room 1st... work harder to increase personal income
If parents can support, then is different scenario
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Yeah but the houses were meant for those with 3K household income right? It is simply not logical.
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post May 12 2011, 02:12 PM

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No matter how, i just want to say, BUY HOUSE EASY BUT PAY HOUSE INSTALLMENT IS SO SUFFER FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE!!!
Must collect many bullet then only commit...or else 100% loan will kill ya man...

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