thanks aldosoesilo and chiahau. i`m gonna start hunting d^^

How does a DSLR having a filp LCD screen, make one look "less professional"? And what's with the word professional here? People are asking recommendations on what to buy/what's good and NOT what looks pro or not pro

What a very shallow thought. I bet you never used a 18mp camera before? Either that or you're seriously lacking the knowledge of such products

Dismissing the advantage of megapixels just like that, is such a sweeping generalization

I'm using my 550D which offers 18mp, and i CROP a lot. Even after cropping, i still get so much details due to the 18mp that i can enjoy And still the 18mp is one of the BIGGEST things, i've enjoyed since buying it.

Let us see what has 550D has install over it's predecessor shall we?

-18mp
-more superior iFCL metering system
- ISO6400 not in expanded mode anymore
-Bigger buttons, easier to press and a dedicated live view button
-FULL HD video with variable framerates like 24p,25p and 30p
-Faster burst rate of 3.7fps
-Able to use the latest SDXC memory cards up to 64GB iinm
-3:2 LCD screen with 1040 dots

Oh pleaseeeeeee fanboyism again!

Rules of this forum-------> 1) "Fanboyism" is prohibited. No brand wars here.

Quoting one video from youtube, and then concluding that Nikon is better than Canon, is just no different than me saying that "my phone has the copy and paste function which the iphone doesn't have, therefore my phone is better " .

Also, don't you know that D3s has only 12mp while the 1D4 has 16? And also D3s is a FF while the 1D4 is only APS-H(1.3x crop factor). This is already an unfair advantage towards the Nikon,such comparison should never even take place in the first place.

Comparing FF with APS-H? Meh

D7000 with the 18-105 is totally out of his budget. Why even mention it?

Only applies to NEW cheapo bodies vs NEW pro bodies

you are welcome.


Well I just giving him a clue there. it's all come back to him whether he want to buy that or no.




Well. I am not sure about that.
However I am pretty sure it is a waste for entry.




That's the best cameras they have out there, what to say
Moreover, I am just telling in natural perspective. not trying to be fanboy. but I am pretty sure of that. you can see the proof yourself.
canon has less noise control over nikon.
depends on the model though.



I am giving him the whole idea about entry up to prosummer camera. and I think that is the purpose of this thread.

Not really. even the body or the lens is not new it is still applicable.
Can't afford the 1st hand lens. why don't go for second hand?

What looks good for him might not be for others. A 60D with flippy LCD screen looks "pro" to me, so you're trying to convince me otherwise? for example.

Then don't say anything

Waste to you might be gold to others. I and tons of other Canon 550D owners just love this camera a lot, for the amazing things it can offer. And now you're calling it a waste?

Again said, there's an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE when one FF model is competing with another non FF model in terms of ISO performance. No fight really

Personally i won't even mention that, just for the sake of directly answering his question. And if he wants to know more, then probably yes

I was talking about the BODY not the lens

Of course, 2nd hand lenses are still so favourable these days, because the new ones are pretty expensive. Not so much the same for the bodies though, because they tend to depreciate in price much faster

ahaiii..


Just because you own it


Well you are such a douche . I said that Canon is better in video recording on the other hand Nikon in photography. as the proof I mention the best out of the best camera out there for each brand.
well he will eventually decide himself.
anyway I am really sorry if you are offended.
I dunno of you are that fanboy. good for you



at last you agree with this one my friend

Personally, i'm not offended at all bro. It's just that i don't like people saying such blatant sweeping generalization like that.

I could always say Nvidia beats ATI *quotes a video from youtube between GTX460 vs HD4670* Apple is better than HTC *quotes a video showing touch screen responsiveness betweent the two models *<----For example's sake

And no, i ain't a fanboy of any brand whatsoever, i know both Nikon and Canon are 2 very good brands and so are others. Each has their OWN advantages and disadvantages, so it's not very WISE to make such sweeping statements right?

I don't say things like that and neither do other forumers here. Just to make what i feel clear ?

This post has been edited by -kytz-: Dec 15 2010, 05:25 PM

Sony DSCW320S vs Sony Cyber-shot DSC-TX1

Hi there! I'm getting a free camera and I'm offered either of the above. Any suggestions which should i pick? Thanks alot!!! :D

All due respect. brp I didn't say Nvidia is better than ATI or whatever things similar to that.
This is the thing that I said.
It's not like Iphone is better than HTC or Mercides is better than BMW.

It's like bowl is better to when you use it to eat soup and plate on the other hand for dry food.
Walaweee....
it's like if you want to go for speed choose ferari over BMW, else if you want confort go for BMW.

anyway this thread suppose give a member a bigger view of camera and photography, therefore I am listing all the option he/she possibly take in the future. I don't know what is your problem with my post and whatsoever.
but if you find a problem in my post please not to make mess in the thread itself.

This post has been edited by aldosoesilo: Dec 16 2010, 09:52 AM

Nvidia vs ATI and the HTC vs Iphone thingy were just an example of your style of posting, by conveniently quoting ONE youtube source and then CONCLUDING that A is better than B. That's your STYLE of posting. We don't tolerate anything like that here and also LEARN to read my post carefully

First and foremost, what's with the bowl and plate analogy? Such a weak back up claim

Again, you DARE conclude that Nikon is BETTER than Canon in photography just by quoting a youtube source, reviewed by Kai Wong?How convinient is that.. If it's so easy to make such CONCLUSIONS, then there will be no more brand wars, no more headaches in choosing either Canon or Nikon, because u can QUOTE a youtube source and use it to your advantage

And not again, you don't really read well do you? I CLEARLY mentioned, there's no fair comparison really between a Full Frame DSLR against a APS-H DSLR. The Nikon D3s is FF camera while the 1D Mk 4 is a APS-H camera, D3s has 12mp while the 1D4 has 16mp, so this comparison isn't really fair don't you think?

It's the same like you don't compare ISO performance between a Nikon D700 against a nice 550D. Obviously the former, will pawn it kao kao

And are you now going to call me a fanboy again? READ my posts properly and carefully, neither did i make such BLATANT conclusions which you like to do, and neither did i mention "this is better than that" thingy.

Oh great, bigger view of camera and photography? Yout style of posting doesn't show that at all, you quote one source and conclude that "Nikon is better than Canon in Photography" <------- Does this look like "Bigger view" to you. It's SHALLOW for your information.

You're the FIRST person i've seen here, in fact the last 2 recommendations thread, who POSTS in such a way.

You have many flaws in your posts here and there, you're making baseless conclusions all the way, and yes this is NOT the way things go around here.

And yes, i'm not going to discuss this further and i hope this will be the last of your STYLE of postings And yes, such posts will be REPORTED if you continue to do so agan

This is a recommendation thread lol. Not a brand war thread. We do not need another thread to brand war. There's plenty already.

Just recommend what you think is accurate, but do not make blatant conclusions. Just ignore what he post or just correct his facts without the need to make such a mess.

Let the discussion continue, shall we?

I was just correcting the way he's posting, the stuff he's spewing around, the things he's misleading others. And no, there's wasn't any Brand war at all. It's just me correcting him

And yes, discussions should continue. Nikon vs Canon will always continue, that's why most of us here would recommend them a few models in mind and ask them to test it out in the shops. At the end of the day, most likely it's what feels/works best for them , is what they're going to bring home.Hence, the recommendations on what's good and whatnot

Anyway, not going to pursue this anymore, and sorry for making it look like a mess

D90 or 60D????

budget 1st lol.

If you can afford 60D, then why not look into D7000? Therefore, you need 2 tell us your budget.

hi fellow sifus,

i'm shopping around for a compact P&S digital camera for my gf... budget is less than RM1k and main criteria is that it's super compact and easy to carry around. currently i've narrowed down to two:

panasonic lumix dmc-fp3
sony cybershot dsc-t99

any users of these two models? which one would u recommend? or do u guys hv other recommendations? much appreciated

can i know what is the standard price for nikon D90 right now? because tomorrow i want to survey at ipoh

As far as I know, it's around RM2.4k for body only and around RM3.4k for body+18-105 kit lens

I was quoting prices around KL iinm, so it might differ in Ipoh.

This post has been edited by -kytz-: Dec 17 2010, 01:23 AM

Hi All, I'm trying to venture into photography using DSLR and I'm looking at the following options.

Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR
Budget: Max RM3.3-3.4k? (max for me is nikon D90)
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : Nikon
Type of photography u want to do : Anything as of now, no specific ones.
Any specific models in mind? : D90 or D5000
Any specific features u want? : no specific ones

Looking at the specs, both D90 and D5000 look similar. D5000 is more beginner friendly and D90 is more forward looking (i.e. can offer more controls when I get used to it etc?). I have hold both of my friends' D90 and D5000, I find the weight okay for D90 and D5000 is probably just a bit too small but unnoticable for me. I really dont know which to pick and if there are any differences that I should know but I dont yet.

So should I spend more on D90 or buy D5000+lens/extra battery etc? Is the picture quality the same (if used by the same person)?

Additional info: I have been playing with my P&S camera for 2 years which has manual controls on iso, aperture and shutter. So I'm a little exposed to what are these about.

Thanks guys!

im not sure wether i got this fact right onot, but a fren of mine (who lives next door to me ), is using a D5000. i ask him why not D90? he said that the big diff between these 2 cameras is the vari-angle screen, and the D90 (920k-dot resolution) while the D5000 (230k-dot resolution LCD screen), D5000's smaller, the D90 got this upper LCD screen as well (which looks nicer to me IMO ). other than that, im not really sure. btw, from my point of view, i think the D5000 is more for a starters who wants to try some new things with the LCD screen that can swivel, and it smaller, hence its lighter. the LCD screen may come in handy if u're trying to shoot some high/low angle shots. but maybe viewing back ur images will not be as nice as viewing on the D90's 920k-dot screen. if u dont mind about the screen resolution, go for D5000. and if u do, D90 then. hope this helps

p/s- if i said anything wrong about these 2 cameras, pls do correct me. the fact is i only read about these stuffs. i dont own any

This post has been edited by Tony Stark: Dec 17 2010, 04:30 AM

it won't make it any easier though. the live view auto focus is very slow and not that accurate. in the end you might have to resort to manual focus.

One of the difference is that the D5000 does not have a built in AF motor within the body but D90 has it. So, some cheaper primes like 50mm f/1.8D if used with D5000 you won't be able to use Autofocus thus manually focusing it, so you need to get a more expensive 50mm (which usually costs 2x more) like a 50mm G lens which has a built in AF motor within the lens itself to have autofocus in D5000.

It again, boils down to how you plan to upgrade your glasses in the future. If you don't mind spending more for G-type lenses and then later on upgrade to a more high end body, there's no harm doing it, because it is still compatible with higher end bodies, anyway.

This post has been edited by geekster129: Dec 17 2010, 02:52 PM