QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 27 2010, 06:47 PM)
CVT dyno arent consistent if im not mistaken, as it is variable
i have a few more other honda CVT dyno results too...pretty much show the same pattern
Inspira vs Forte, which one will you go for
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 Nov 27 2010, 07:34 PM
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pretty much show the same pattern |
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Nov 27 2010, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 27 2010, 07:34 PM) i have a few more other honda CVT dyno results too... Just wondering, for dynoing a CVT, which 'gears' that they use? (since its variable) MT usually 3rd while AT usually '2'.pretty much show the same pattern |
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Nov 27 2010, 11:30 PM
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by the way, the forte won the 'people's choice award' in the 2010 nst/cbt car of the year awards. so, not too bad for a car that trails behind the inspira in this poll here.
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Nov 29 2010, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Nov 27 2010, 07:49 PM) Just wondering, for dynoing a CVT, which 'gears' that they use? (since its variable) MT usually 3rd while AT usually '2'. CVT got no definite gear....so go figure what "gear" they use to dyno |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 27 2010, 05:49 PM) Kia Forte vs Jazz VTEC CVT Forte's 4 speed auto eats up 23% (124PS at crank)stock to stock  Blue is Forte (NCK 83*) Red is Jazz (WPL323*)  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Where else the Jazz's CVT eats up only 19% (110PS at crank) This post has been edited by shinjite: Nov 29 2010, 02:29 AM |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Nov 15 2010, 04:38 PM) why the engine performance seems so weak. this is not mitsu engine right? i think the petrol comsuption is superb for this car, becareful which u mean.... inspira is mivec but is proton tunning d, so gg.com like the old mitsu engine in proton cars. eg wira n saga....seriously if wan go for value for money, forte yes ! better den city, fiesta, vios... bcoz of its functionality.... but not performance vice n parts vice..... Added on November 29, 2010, 2:36 am QUOTE(shinjite @ Nov 29 2010, 03:27 AM) Forte's 4 speed auto eats up 23% (124PS at crank) so? which better? how to c?Where else the Jazz's CVT eats up only 19% (110PS at crank) This post has been edited by maxgenesis: Nov 29 2010, 02:36 AM |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:58 AM
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QUOTE(maxgenesis @ Nov 29 2010, 02:35 AM) which u mean.... inspira is mivec but is proton tunning d, so gg.com like the old mitsu engine in proton cars. eg wira n saga.... there's lesser power loss to the CVT gearbox coz it doesn't have a torque converter unlike conventional AT boxes...hence the CVT gbox is definitely giving better results here =)seriously if wan go for value for money, forte yes ! better den city, fiesta, vios... bcoz of its functionality.... but not performance vice n parts vice..... Added on November 29, 2010, 2:36 am so? which better? how to c? |
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Nov 29 2010, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE(maxgenesis @ Nov 29 2010, 02:35 AM) which u mean.... inspira is mivec but is proton tunning d, so gg.com like the old mitsu engine in proton cars. eg wira n saga.... read up before typing rubbish, the drivetrain and ECU are completely from Mitsu with proton unable to touch it. seriously if wan go for value for money, forte yes ! better den city, fiesta, vios... bcoz of its functionality.... but not performance vice n parts vice..... Added on November 29, 2010, 2:36 am so? which better? how to c?  |
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Nov 29 2010, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 27 2010, 05:56 PM) aiyo....kevin, not all cars are 100% perfect la.... Kevin does have a point there. Nobody expects a car to have problems no matter how minor they are, so early in their life cycle. So far, ive heard of many of you having minor issues. Some even had more major issues like car jerking, etc. All these problems do not reflect well on the Forte and surely does not help the image of Korean makes. there's nothing perfect in this world... i can say, ur NHC soon also will face defects....juz a matter of time... nth can tahan lama 1.... some might be unlucky get manufactured defect vehicles... some might be lucky get a very good condition new vehicles.... this is tengok luck 1... not to say, also see how a driver drives...if some1 wan follow bunta/tohai drive in initial D(use longkang corner 1...light weight shifting) xD, sure absorber or suspension kong 1... or mayb hit too much speed bumps or potholes.....see hw he drive la... cnt say all time, Forte fault here and there... u try urself speed over speed bumps and potholes and see....like for few weeks enuf...ur car also ended up absorber damage or something similar 2 it. I hope the Koreans are not sacrificying quality in their haste to produce cars to suit demands. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Nov 29 2010, 09:16 AM |
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Nov 29 2010, 09:43 AM
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Get a Proton inspira = U get a Mitsubishi Lancer
 Thats why smart guy get it.. Mitsubishi Lancer are...   Is a car that rebadge by our beloved Proton, that just "terbalik" the reflector...   Lancer  Inspira Oh..!!! Dont forget to look carefully at the word written on the reflector  This is how the Proton used the Rm250million  Such a clever move to rebadge  This post has been edited by neko_neko: Nov 29 2010, 09:47 AM |
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Nov 29 2010, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 29 2010, 09:15 AM) Kevin does have a point there. Nobody expects a car to have problems no matter how minor they are, so early in their life cycle. So far, ive heard of many of you having minor issues. Some even had more major issues like car jerking, etc. All these problems do not reflect well on the Forte and surely does not help the image of Korean makes. cant deny to see comment on forte problem on the forte thread, but if you read up japanese car thread, there are owners come out with the issue too. Kevin also complain about his city alot at city thread. I hope the Koreans are not sacrificying quality in their haste to produce cars to suit demands. study show there are average 109 problem /100 vehicles. so i think a few issue cannot use to judge that korean car having quality issue. This post has been edited by choonwai11: Nov 29 2010, 09:59 AM |
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Nov 29 2010, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(forter @ Nov 27 2010, 06:48 PM) for the nst-maybank COTY this is how they measure... Same criteria but different judges. Ure in Malaysia. Dont forget that.'A panel of 9 judges comprising of motoring journalists and other distinguished personalities will be testing over 60 new and substantially facelifted models classified into 13 categories. New cars launched between November 2009 and October 2010 qualify for COTY. The evaluation criteria includes styling, value for money, comfort and ergonomics, performance, driving characteristics, safety, emotional appeal and after sales service. The highest scoring vehicle in each category wins the award for “Best in Class”. The Overall Car of the Year will then be selected from the list of 13 category winners.' ..and all the COTY around the world more less about the same evaluation creteria.. |
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Nov 29 2010, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(neko_neko @ Nov 29 2010, 09:43 AM) Get a Proton inspira = U get a Mitsubishi Lancer +1 Thats why smart guy get it.. Mitsubishi Lancer are... Is a car that rebadge by our beloved Proton, that just "terbalik" the reflector... Lancer Inspira Oh..!!! Dont forget to look carefully at the word written on the reflector This is how the Proton used the Rm250million Such a clever move to rebadge I think they order just 1 side reflector cheaper compare to a pair?  |
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Nov 29 2010, 12:25 PM
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Personally for me, I am on neutral ground.
I have not seen the Inspira personally, but I quite like the styling and kits given by Kia for the forte. And I have yet to test drive either one of them, but i can tell you my choice will lean on Inspira as I am a fan of manual gearbox. Dont like the lazy feeling of driving an auto. |
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Nov 29 2010, 12:41 PM
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More stock to stock comparison
Forte (Blue) vs Vios Dugong (Red) vs Satria Neo 1.6 Auto (Green)  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Nov 29 2010, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 29 2010, 12:41 PM) More stock to stock comparison Base on the chart on all 4 cars (including the Jazz 1.5 CVT)Forte (Blue) vs Vios Dugong (Red) vs Satria Neo 1.6 Auto (Green) Uploaded with ImageShack.us Best to the least efficiency transmission (power loss) 1) Jazz CVT (19.2%) 2) Vios (19.3%) 3) Satria Neo (20%) 4) Forte (22.5%) |
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Nov 29 2010, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 29 2010, 01:13 AM) CVT got no definite gear.... Shouldn't the 'gears' selected should be as close as 1:1 ratio with the engine to get accurate result?so go figure what "gear" they use to dyno |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Nov 29 2010, 01:14 PM) Shouldn't the 'gears' selected should be as close as 1:1 ratio with the engine to get accurate result? there is no "gears" in CVT... fine if u want gears, it is only 1 gear with infinite ratio... so theoretically it dont matter which "gears" they are in... |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:27 PM
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Interesting Campro got a 'boost' in 4.1k rpm, meanwhile Vios got boost in 5.7k rpm.
I'm very interested in power/torque graphs. Probably should pinned a thread for collection of stock cars' power/torque graph. |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 29 2010, 02:11 PM) there is no "gears" in CVT... The purpose of dyno is to see the engine performance right? That can only be done by choosing 1:1 ratio. Else, we don't know whether its really the engine 'power' since the GB kept changing 'gears' to optimize the performance. Just like dyno a MT car with 1st gear, the torque will be higher than dyno in 3rd gear right fine if u want gears, it is only 1 gear with infinite ratio... so theoretically it dont matter which "gears" they are in...  |
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