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Haruji Sora
post Sep 28 2017, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan_T @ Sep 27 2017, 10:59 PM)
KS7500 is a very nice TV from last year, however not everyone like the curved screen, I'm one of those. However, it doesn't mean that the LG is not good. Overall the features and technology behind the LG is more superior, Nanocell is as superior as the Qled and Dolby Vision is included. The WebOS is one of the best smart TV OS. It is a battle between VA and IPS panel, VA will win as picture quality is always related to native contrast and VA panel come with much higher contrast and it is easier to boost higher brightness without worrying too much about light bleed issue. This is required for HDR10 at 1000 nits brightness. Color from the KS7500 is attractive but it is actually a little over saturated, if you like more natural colors, it will be the LG. Between the 2 most peoples will take the Samsung, except those who don't like the curved screen.
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I'm one of the person that sort of grown into Samsung more saturated color palette (using the AMOLED Phone Note 2 all the way to S7 Edge now, as well as for the past 10 to 15 odd years living room keep getting Samsung TV). Hence why LG looks washed out to me HAHA.

QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 28 2017, 12:50 AM)
Thanks guys, but regarding Dolby Vision - the LG's panel is only 10 bit, how does that jive with DVision's 12bit specs? Feels like it can't show DV media in its true glory...

Oh, btw anyone knows how the 2+3 or 2+2 warranty works? If there are no parts after 4 yrs, do we get a TV of the same value we paid when we bought it, or a depreciated value? I see 11street selling with warranty options, but no info on what the warranty covers...
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2 years warranty covered by Samsung officially, means they will come to your house to fix any problem with your TV (and change the whole panel if required) The remaining + years (2 or 3) will be covered by the company who sell you the TV. Depends on how the company handle their warranty claim, some will charge for service fee, and usually they won't have on site service (usually). And in some rare cases they'll just replace the whole TV with an equivalent newer model if the repair fee is much higher than just giving you a new one.
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post Sep 28 2017, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 28 2017, 12:50 AM)
Thanks guys, but regarding Dolby Vision - the LG's panel is only 10 bit, how does that jive with DVision's 12bit specs? Feels like it can't show DV media in its true glory...

Oh, btw anyone knows how the 2+3 or 2+2 warranty works? If there are no parts after 4 yrs, do we get a TV of the same value we paid when we bought it, or a depreciated value? I see 11street selling with warranty options, but no info on what the warranty covers...
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Dolby uses 12-bit color depth for cinematic Dolby Vision content to avoid any noticeable banding but the format is agnostic to different color depths and works with 10-bit video or panel as well. In fact, Dolby recommends 10-bit color depth for broadcast.

Dolby Vision is designed as an end-to-end HDR process. So from capture through processing and into production, Dolby Vision is designed to preserve information that was originally captured and pass it on. The aim is to give you an HDR experience that's closer to the original by supplying more information.It also tells the display device how bright it should be, rather than provide one value as HDR10 does which stay static, and it can do this for every frame. The idea is that it allows creators to ensure that what you're seeing is what they intended. There is no 12bit TV panel that you can buy now, not even the OLED from LG, but you will get all the benefits or advantage of Dolby Vision even on a 10bit panel.

QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Sep 28 2017, 10:24 AM)
I'm one of the person that sort of grown into Samsung more saturated color palette (using the AMOLED Phone Note 2 all the way to S7 Edge now, as well as for the past 10 to 15 odd years living room keep getting Samsung TV). Hence why LG looks washed out to me HAHA.
2 years warranty covered by Samsung officially, means they will come to your house to fix any problem with your TV (and change the whole panel if required) The remaining + years (2 or 3) will be covered by the company who sell you the TV. Depends on how the company handle their warranty claim, some will charge for service fee, and usually they won't have on site service (usually). And in some rare cases they'll just replace the whole TV with an equivalent newer model if the repair fee is much higher than just giving you a new one.
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I think it depends on the sellers, some sellers provide 2+3 that fully covered by the manufacturer over the 5 years with onsite support. The cost for the +3 years they claim back from insurance.
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post Sep 28 2017, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan_T @ Sep 28 2017, 11:02 AM)
Dolby uses 12-bit color depth for cinematic Dolby Vision content to avoid any noticeable banding but the format is agnostic to different color depths and works with 10-bit video or panel as well. In fact, Dolby recommends 10-bit color depth for broadcast.

Dolby Vision is designed as an end-to-end HDR process. So from capture through processing and into production, Dolby Vision is designed to preserve information that was originally captured and pass it on. The aim is to give you an HDR experience that's closer to the original by supplying more information.It also tells the display device how bright it should be, rather than provide one value as HDR10 does which stay static, and it can do this for every frame. The idea is that it allows creators to ensure that what you're seeing is what they intended. There is no 12bit TV panel that you can buy now, not even the OLED from LG, but you will get all the benefits or advantage of Dolby Vision even on a 10bit panel.
I think it depends on the sellers, some sellers provide 2+3 that fully covered by the manufacturer over the 5 years with onsite support. The cost for the +3 years they claim back from insurance.
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Thanks Ivan, Haruji.

I think I too am used to Samsung's over-saturated colors since I'm used to the AMOLED screens as well. I do find LG's colors to be a little washed up, even on their higher & non-OLED models.

Ivan, when you say benefits/advantages of DV on a 10-bit panel, is it significantly different from HDR10?
I was previously under the impression that DV's primary advantage is its additional colors, which isnt overtly noticeable, but shows much improvements in 12-bit panel (vs HDR10).
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post Sep 28 2017, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 28 2017, 03:43 PM)
Thanks Ivan, Haruji.

I think I too am used to Samsung's over-saturated colors since I'm used to the AMOLED screens as well. I do find LG's colors to be a little washed up, even on their higher & non-OLED models.

Ivan, when you say benefits/advantages of DV on a 10-bit panel, is it significantly different from HDR10?
I was previously under the impression that DV's primary advantage is its additional colors, which isnt overtly noticeable, but shows much improvements in 12-bit panel (vs HDR10).
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I think you're misunderstanding something lol.

Note: Current TVs max out at 10-bit color, but sending a 12-bit signal helps to allow processing (like white balance adjustments) to be enabled without adding banding. - (Source : Rtings)

So since Dolby Vision support 12-bit signals, it allow additional processing even when all TV Panels now are maxed out at 10-bit

12-bit panel will come, X years later tongue.gif

The biggest difference in HDR10 VS DV would actually be the dynamic meta data which actually data encoded in the video signal to tell the TV for this scene, what kind of color/brightness/etc the TV should display, while HDR 10 is static. HDR 10 will give instruction to the TV at the beginning of the video, and the data would carry out throughout the whole video.

Take note that Samsung and Amazon Prime is pushing for the next HDR10+, which is essentially HDR10 with dynamic meta data (yeah the things they do to avoid paying extra royalty to Dolby tongue.gif)

When is HDR10+ Coming? What TV will support? God knows yet haha.

I ended up ignoring LG offering in favor of KS7000 primary due to the reason HDR is so damn messy now, and Dolby Vision content is very very less (I believe only a handful of Netflix videos has DV)

Amazon Prime definitely pushing for the next HDR10+, while Youtube only support in general HDR10 (which hopefully will be upgraded to HDR10+ in the future)

Ultra HD BluRay? Too expensive to purchase now hahaha.

PS4 Pro/X Box One X? HDR10 only.
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post Sep 30 2017, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Sep 28 2017, 04:38 PM)

The biggest difference in HDR10 VS DV would actually be the dynamic meta data which actually data encoded in the video signal to tell the TV for this scene, what kind of color/brightness/etc the TV should display, while HDR 10 is static. HDR 10 will give instruction to the TV at the beginning of the video, and the data would carry out throughout the whole video.

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I read a bit on this today, and I do see the difference now, thanks for the insights & explanation!

I purchased the KS7500 earlier today. The LG looked nice and somehow appeared bigger (there was a demo set), but budget-wise, KS7500 was significantly cheaper. Any tips on what I should look out for when the TV arrives tomorrow? Any configuration/setting I need to check to ensure no issues with the TV & its indeed a new set and not a display set tongue.gif

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post Sep 30 2017, 05:50 AM

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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 30 2017, 12:05 AM)
I read a bit on this today, and I do see the difference now, thanks for the insights & explanation!

I purchased the KS7500 earlier today. The LG looked nice and somehow appeared bigger (there was a demo set), but budget-wise, KS7500 was significantly cheaper. Any tips on what I should look out for when the TV arrives tomorrow? Any configuration/setting I need to check to ensure no issues with the TV & its indeed a new set and not a display set tongue.gif

Thanks!
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Download TV/Monitor screen test files to check for damage.. See if you can get into the service menu to check how much time it has spent switched on. Once satisfied no defects, switch to Movie mode and calibrate as best as you can.
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post Sep 30 2017, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Sep 30 2017, 05:50 AM)
Download TV/Monitor screen test files to check for damage.. See if you can get into the service menu to check how much time it has spent switched on. Once satisfied no defects, switch to Movie mode and calibrate as best as you can.
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Sorry, noob here..
"Download TV/Monitor screen test" <--- is this something from Tizen's appstore?
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 30 2017, 04:36 PM)
Sorry, noob here..
"Download TV/Monitor screen test" <--- is this something from Tizen's appstore?
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Nope... Not from Tizen app store.. Here you go.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Sep 30 2017, 04:48 PM)
Nope... Not from Tizen app store.. Here you go.
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Thanks man. Guys, how do you access the service menu using the new remote..it seems like there is a combination with "Settings" button, "Info" button etc, but these buttons aren't present in the new remote. Is there a different combo for this remote?
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 30 2017, 07:05 PM)
Thanks man. Guys, how do you access the service menu using the new remote..it seems like there is a combination with "Settings" button, "Info" button etc, but these buttons aren't present in the new remote. Is there a different combo for this remote?
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You can't.. Have to get the old remote. The IR only one with all the buttons on it. Some borrow, others go out and buy.
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post Oct 1 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Sep 30 2017, 08:50 PM)
You can't.. Have to get the old remote. The IR only one with all the buttons on it. Some borrow, others go out and buy.
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daamn..guess I'll have to go get it then
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Oct 1 2017, 06:26 PM)
daamn..guess I'll have to go get it then
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Well most Samsung remote will work (I have a Samsung TV from 8 years ago and still work with KS7000). So you just have to procure it somehow haha.

Other remote that might work will be Samsung BluRay players that has a TV button on it. (my samsung HT remote also works with KS7000)

IINM if your phone has an IR Blaster, you can also access the service menu through it.

You can also mirror your phone to the TV, and run those LCD tester software, usually cycling between Gradient, White, Black, Red, Blue, Green full screen image to check for any weird or huge ass pixel death.
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Oct 2 2017, 10:26 AM)
Well most Samsung remote will work (I have a Samsung TV from 8 years ago and still work with KS7000). So you just have to procure it somehow haha.

Other remote that might work will be Samsung BluRay players that has a TV button on it. (my samsung HT remote also works with KS7000)

IINM if your phone has an IR Blaster, you can also access the service menu through it.

You can also mirror your phone to the TV, and run those LCD tester software, usually cycling between Gradient, White, Black, Red, Blue, Green full screen image to check for any weird or huge ass pixel death.
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Unfortunately only my old Note 3 had a blaster, but I dont have that phone anymore.
But dad has an old remote @ home, so I'mma take that and use.

Tested the TV this weekend @ streaming movies. They were super clear and nice (a bit too bright sometimes), but occasionally faced disconnection issues from home's network. Like 4~5 times in a 2hr movie. Wondering what was that about. HDR (tested with Rogue One) was AWESOME. The detailing @ ships & robots were soo good!

Btw, any means of stretching the pic to fill an entire screen - without distorting it too much? The top & bottom black bars are quite annoying!
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Oct 2 2017, 12:10 PM)
Unfortunately only my old Note 3 had a blaster, but I dont have that phone anymore.
But dad has an old remote @ home, so I'mma take that and use.

Tested the TV this weekend @ streaming movies. They were super clear and nice (a bit too bright sometimes), but occasionally faced disconnection issues from home's network. Like 4~5 times in a 2hr movie. Wondering what was that about. HDR (tested with Rogue One) was AWESOME. The detailing @ ships & robots were soo good!

Btw, any means of stretching the pic to fill an entire screen - without distorting it too much? The top & bottom black bars are quite annoying!
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Never have problem with disconnection. Perhaps you're router is located too far away from the TV?

If you're router is located in another room, and it's a dual band 5ghz/2.4ghz router (AC Router), perhaps you need to switch over to 2.4GHz for better stability (5ghz is damn unstable going through walls LOL)

About the black bars for cinematic movies, there is not much choices but get used to it hahaha since cinematic aspect ratio is like 2.35 : 1 instead of the regular 16 : 9.
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Oct 2 2017, 12:10 PM)
Unfortunately only my old Note 3 had a blaster, but I dont have that phone anymore.
But dad has an old remote @ home, so I'mma take that and use.

Tested the TV this weekend @ streaming movies. They were super clear and nice (a bit too bright sometimes), but occasionally faced disconnection issues from home's network. Like 4~5 times in a 2hr movie. Wondering what was that about. HDR (tested with Rogue One) was AWESOME. The detailing @ ships & robots were soo good!

Btw, any means of stretching the pic to fill an entire screen - without distorting it too much? The top & bottom black bars are quite annoying!
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Yeah.. the high brightness is more suitable for showroom, but at home the 1000 nits HDR peak brightness is not watchable for more than 5 mins. So do the proper calibration to reduce the brightness and enhance the overall picture quality based on your own environment.

For streaming on the tv, it is always better to use wired connection and not Wifi.

If you don't want the top & bottom black bars, there is only one option, change the aspect ratio to 16:9 from original, provided you can accept the distorted picture.
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Just bought an UA65MU6100, waiting the shop sending to my house tomorrow. Price RM4999, donno is good deal or not.

Quite excited eventough it is a basic 4k tv(Currently using toshiba 40inch five years already, for sizewise, really a big different). First time buying basic 4k samsung tv, hopefully it can serve me at least few years time lahhh..

At first considering Panasonic EX600K 65inch,best price RM5575. But it dont have bluetooth function, expensive than MU6100, for picture quality i cant really see major difference, so at last i bought MU6100.

Will share more once received the TV tomorrow. Thanks
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QUOTE(ckling85 @ Oct 2 2017, 06:52 PM)
Just bought an UA65MU6100, waiting the shop sending to my house tomorrow. Price RM4999, donno is good deal or not.

Quite excited eventough it is a basic 4k tv(Currently using toshiba 40inch five years already, for sizewise, really a big different). First time buying basic 4k samsung tv, hopefully it can serve me at least few years time lahhh..

At first considering Panasonic EX600K 65inch,best price RM5575. But it dont have bluetooth function, expensive than MU6100, for picture quality i cant really see major difference, so at last i bought MU6100.

Will share more once received the TV tomorrow. Thanks
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which shop? warranty 2 years? I plan to get the 55" after moving into a new place next month.Probably buy it online. Did you see how much they sell for the 55"?
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QUOTE(OwlsHeart @ Oct 2 2017, 07:36 PM)
which shop? warranty 2 years? I plan to get the 55" after moving into a new place next month.Probably buy it online. Did you see how much they sell for the 55"?
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i bought it at local shop(sarawak, sibu). Warranty from samsung 2 years only. cant add money to get more warranty.
55 inch i saw listed price 3299. U can find cheaper price on lazada/11 street. Too bad i stay at sarawak, if buy online, the postage is super terrible.
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QUOTE(ckling85 @ Oct 2 2017, 06:52 PM)
Just bought an UA65MU6100, waiting the shop sending to my house tomorrow. Price RM4999, donno is good deal or not.

Quite excited eventough it is a basic 4k tv(Currently using toshiba 40inch five years already, for sizewise, really a big different). First time buying basic 4k samsung tv, hopefully it can serve me at least few years time lahhh..

At first considering Panasonic EX600K 65inch,best price RM5575. But it dont have bluetooth function, expensive than MU6100, for picture quality i cant really see major difference, so at last i bought MU6100.

Will share more once received the TV tomorrow. Thanks
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i was quoted 4980, so i guess ur deal is good
i saw on lazada selling higher
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Tried PS4 Pro with my KS7000 ... the picture are amazing! Really priceless ... so crisp, sharp n clear. 23ms... wow!

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