That's the crux of the issue.. CRX was a legend.. at 900+ KG the handling was superb and the power to weight ratio lovely.

This replacement is like announcing a new Toyota Celica and give us a Hilux equivalent...

Edit : although I must admit the car look sexy... if the pricing was equivalent to Insight (just liek US/Europe market), then I would have bought it despite the dissapointing performance...

This post has been edited by MeToo: Dec 27 2011, 05:52 PM

Don't you know the Malaysian style in pricing. Anything with less doors and seats cost more. Just like the VW Scirocco where only in Malaysia it is sold at a higher price than the Golf GTi. It is suppose to be a cheaper car than the VW Golf GTi.

The CRX was a damn legend... they should have continued the alphabet and called this model the HONDA CR-Y. That is what we all did when we heard what they planned to do with it.

So uh..., to add fuel to the fire...

Volkswagen Polo 1.2 TSI 1/4 Mile ET: 17.5, assuming flywheel horsepower = 103.563HP and curb weight = 2482lbs

Honda CR-Z 1/4 Mile ET: *17.26*, assuming flywheel horsepower = 122.303HP and curb weight = 2720lbs

I wouldn't say the CR-Z smokes the Polo, but it IS faster over 1/4 of a mile. Mathematically, the CR-Z will walk the Polo.

Calculator I used:

http://robrobinette.com/et.htm

This post has been edited by dothackRAVE: Dec 27 2011, 07:03 PM

yes, agree with u.
but i cant keep silent anymore cause some fucuker keep mention hai-bird very powerful wo.....
i am not saying that hai-bird is not a good power train system, for petrol saving yes... for power up in such nice looking car in CRZ? nooooooooooo......
and the fucuker keep mention new car equip with brake disc that made of carbon and ceramic??? walao, u think your insect are those R8 level supercar ah???? which manufacturer give u carbon ceramic brake disc in 100k range vehicle?? u drive hai-bird until mind fucuk??
i used to quite ok with hybird vehicle , because it drive in city look like a trend car... now because of u this blind supporter , i call it hai-bird instead of hybird. because of u , make me very hate hai-bird vehicle now.....
somemore u mention got ABS will easily cause your brake disc warp? fucucucucucucucuk you....
do you even know what is ABS? full name Anti Brake-locking System. it help you release the brake to prevent your wheel locking during emergency/hard braking.
please study more about ABS,

cannot imagine this comment come from a 3x man..... i 1x YO also know better than you.....
if you don know the thing please don go other people thread and comment base on your so high knowledge, u ruining the next generation.
please continue hide in your haibird thread.

This post has been edited by nzh0920: Dec 27 2011, 07:36 PM

this is so so so not accurate.

DSG for one shifts very fast

manual is operator dependent.

so many variables.

Do try to have a proper discussion without insulting anybody. Before you insult anybody for not knowing all the facts, please do ensure that you know them yourself.

ABS stands for Anti-lock Braking System.

ok , i stated wrongly for the name.... sorry....
but i not mean to personal attack him, but just tired of watching him misleading other people.

somemore said mixture of carbon and ceramic easy warp.
but the purpose of mix with carbon and ceramic are designed to more durable during extreme heat condition 900c+.

calvin please read this and don misleading other people anymore!!!

Really??? I was thinking of getting a GTI.. since insight is as good as polo.. CRZ might as well pawn GTI... i think CRZ is more worth it then

saw one exiting from curve turn out to ldp. it looks OK. the back takes some getting used to.

Overall for a sports hybrid - it looks awesome...but generally speaking.it should be called a hybrid sports car ( coz it is a hybrid car in a sports body). I dont think this car is fast..coz by the looks on sheet...its practical 2 seater...but like all 2 seater, it has to go minimum 0-100 kmh in 8 sec.

What do you mean?

Are you saying Honda Insight does not come with carbon reinforced ceramic composite brake disc/pads?! I thought for sure Calvin_Ng say it does wor. I was so excited thinking such a nice brake set... was goign to look for Insight halfcut to swap their brakes too

Popcorn habis... Show seems to go on forever... One word of advice to calvin, pip, evo and those who love to argue on the net ... I love this quote btw... Here it goes.. No offense to those who are physically challenged though... ' arguing on the net is like winning the paraLympic... Even if u win, u are still retarded' happy new year all... Lol

I find your post f**king annoying to read. Please spoiler your entire post.

This post has been edited by kelvinftg: Dec 28 2011, 09:31 AM

Please state misleading...

no 1. You agree the current generation disc rotor is softer due to the mixture of metal... it do contain carbon and mixture the % of it no one knows (only manufacturer) of course according to your statement any mixture of carbon = to Disc Rotor made for Porsche or Nissan GTR standard.... there are many grades even Brake pads have many grade and sizes do get the fact rights....

no2. Yes the mixture of carbon into steel increase or improve the breaking condition I agree but that does not mean no wear and tear.... any friction generate heat and wear... do get that right too...

no3. Hybrid is a new technology not many people can accept, People resist to changes and this is not new... when Honda decided to stop the B16 series of Engine Honda Face alot of criticism and when K series engine was developed people complaint that engine is sucks cause Hp to Hp vs B16 is a JOKE... but K series engine proven it self that is because K series engine now focus on Balance between Torque and HP... the old B16 is purely Horse Power...

Yes Honda on previous CEO/MD change their direction for Hybrid technology as Euro market the EURO5/6/7/8 etc... more and more is getting more strict on CO2 emission... thats the main reason why Honda stop develop the NSX-R replacement (which is now back on track yay!!!) and Honda stop alot of Performance car.... (heck they even stop F1 dammit) so since the NEW MD/CEO of honda come into play he himself commit to fans the Type-R will make a come back... lets hope there is new exciting to come...

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Added on December 28, 2011, 9:56 amAgree with bafukie

no point arguing...
BTW... if you for the sake of argument... get it right... all the facts has been supported by Technical crew of Honda... I used to work for Honda and I ask them cause my Honda city disc wrapped as well and this is the answer I get from them...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Dec 28 2011, 09:56 AM

That's why I stopped posting since few posts ago...
I duwan to bring myself to same low as the retarded here.

I think this video is misleading .. it says REGULAR cast iron disc brakes wear out quickily (compare to ceramic + carbon disc) .. like wat you told us ceramic + carbon mixture will wear out faster .. i think they shd remove it from youtube to make sure they dun mislead ppl with those info

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Dec 28 2011, 11:09 AM

if they debate we can learn something, no?

otherwise the forum is like.....er....dead?

of cos no name calling, IQ insulting kind of statement.

tiew, u driving hai bird izit, no people ask u to read my post ah... y u read?

no1, why did u said i agree current generation disc rotor is softer?? where i state it??

no2, mixture of carbon and ceremic into steel not only improve stopping power, it designed to last longer and not easy warp during those 24 hours Le Mans race etc.... those brake disc easily up to 900c+ of cause it got tear and wear when come with friction.

no3. i have no hard feeling to haibird.... some how got a bit love it. but it was your pelan chaio comment make me hate hai bird , IT WAS YOU!!!

the THEM that u mention are you means some SKL mechanic or what?? if u show some technical data about city brake disc made with carbon and ceramic material i will keep my mouth shut.

Goodness they are not debating anyway.. Debate is when u back ur argument up with facts and figures... Not hearsay which we Malaysian love to do.... Always... I heard my fren said, my dad said, my grandma said.... Tak main la mcm itu... Also PERSONAL experience counts... Not YouTube, not my fren not my ah ma... To simply bash without even personally test the car is like telling someone I sat and drive the cars in my dream... Anyway.... Opinions are like ass, everyone have one and most of the time it's full of shit..... Again.... Happy new year everybody...

we always login this forum digging into the threads we like hoping to see more info about cars,
but i was let down by almost 3 pages of trolling & pointless arguement in this crz thread.

there are hundreds or thousands of ppl who are passionate in the car come here to share thier interest, we are not here to spend precious time reading all your childish act.

no wonder all the hardcore car enthusiasts leave lyn to join zerotohundred. all we left here are mostly kids trashing in /k/ or gaming forum and come to F&F talk about cars acting like they know it all.

well, stop talking about advance tech like ceramic brakes, i bet 99% of those who talk like a pro cant even tell the fondamental stuff like what differ between brake fluid dot3, 4, and 5 without googling.

enuf said

This post has been edited by yamato: Dec 28 2011, 05:00 PM