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post Jan 10 2011, 12:07 PM

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Ya but i mean mean in triplet u wil count as --> tri - pe - let ...

Then eighth notes u will count as --> 1 + ...

The 'tri' will hit the same time as '1'

then 'let' will hit somewhere after '+'

the question is 'pe' i shud hit before the '+' of after?
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post Jan 10 2011, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 8 2011, 10:12 PM)
hi pros (particularly isaacmiranda, boner, bomb, treflip, franklooi and others)

How do u play triplet bass beat on the kick then eighth note on the hi hat? The coordination like veyr weird not sure the middle truplet note shud be where...

Can teach?
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Is this 8th note triplet or 16th triplet?
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post Jan 10 2011, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(thalidomide @ Jan 10 2011, 02:08 PM)
Is this 8th note triplet or 16th triplet?
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no i mean quarter note triplet on the kick

with eighth note on the hi hat?

i know its very weird combination thats why asking..


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post Jan 10 2011, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 9 2011, 11:20 PM)
Hmm, You can try listening to Paramore - That's what you get
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kz6hNDlEEg

The intro - 1st verse and bridge had some nice challenge on the bass drums..
Try to get it right.. smile.gif


Added on January 9, 2011, 11:41 pm

Correct way of kicking the bass drum is the heel should not be touching the pedal. Your sole of your feet should be projected to around 30-45 acute degree towards the pedal.
To give a good bass hit, kick the bass hard and confidently, and do not let go of the pedal until before you are going to kick the next time. Let the kick slammed and stick to the bass skin. With this method, there will be no pale kicks (a loud kick, follow by a few fade away kicks)

And as for fast kicking (using one leg to do x2, x4 times faster), it takes sometime to practice. Similar to your hand + wrist movement. If you move your hand without wrist movement to play a x2 faster beat, your hand (arm) needs to move x2 to match it. But by adding wrist into action, arm needs to move x1, and wrist x1 (not so tiring).
Apply this to the bass drum kicking. Your leg move, and your ankle move as well, then you will be able to do fast bass kick without needing to use double pedals. No shortcut, it is a painful training...
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I believe that you can't really say that there is a wrong technique, and I believe that many people here will agree. Many professional drummers, use both, or even more techniques for different applications.

From a thread on DW, George Kollias thread:

Heel down:
Great balance
Speed (cause your ankle is not "locked")

Heel up:
Power
Control


Besides that, you also have heel toe, the ankle technique and so on. Different drummers swear by different techniques. Personally, I use both, for different applications. And the truth is, we're all different smile.gif

Anyway, I feel that sure, with a single kick you can do 140-160bpm and so on, yes. But why push it when you can use double kicks? tongue.gif

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post Jan 10 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 10 2011, 02:57 PM)
no i mean quarter note triplet on the kick

with eighth note on the hi hat?

i know its very weird combination thats why asking..
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3 over 4 hi hat kick combination?

I think that's the closest example i can think of. quater triplet on kick 8th on hat with feet. Then apply it to sticks.
Then double time the hat while keeping the kick on quater note?
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post Jan 10 2011, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Jan 10 2011, 05:50 PM)
Bro smile.gif

I believe that you can't really say that there is a wrong technique, and I believe that many people here will agree. Many professional drummers, use both, or even more techniques for different applications.

From a thread on DW, George Kollias thread:

Heel down:
Great balance
Speed (cause your ankle is not "locked")

Heel up:
Power
Control


Besides that, you also have heel toe, the ankle technique and so on. Different drummers swear by different techniques. Personally, I use both, for different applications. And the truth is, we're all different smile.gif

Anyway, I feel that sure, with a single kick you can do 140-160bpm and so on, yes. But why push it when you can use double kicks? tongue.gif
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Probably you are right. But for me personally, heel down really could not give a good kick because there is a feeling of not enough power in the kick.. (Not in a good position to deliver a good kick). But again, that is for me.. I do not know about others.. But I am sure that most of you guys here use Heel up..

By the way, i can do around 220+ bpm using a single kick smile.gif

This post has been edited by Bonescythe: Jan 10 2011, 10:26 PM
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post Jan 10 2011, 10:59 PM

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16th in 220? wow..haha
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 10 2011, 10:23 PM)
Probably you are right. But for me personally, heel down really could not give a good kick because there is a feeling of not enough power in the kick.. (Not in a good position to deliver a good kick). But again, that is for me.. I do not know about others.. But I am sure that most of you guys here use Heel up..

By the way, i can do around 220+ bpm using a single kick smile.gif
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Videos or it never happened wink.gif AHAHAHAHA!

My first drum teacher, when I was six or so, was a very jazzy player, so from there, I started with the heel down technique. I feel it gives more dynamics smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Jan 10 2011, 11:07 PM)
Videos or it never happened wink.gif AHAHAHAHA!

My first drum teacher, when I was six or so, was a very jazzy player, so from there, I started with the heel down technique. I feel it gives more dynamics smile.gif
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Hmm.. Why it is not possible??
It is kicking 220+ times in 1 minutes (60 second), around 4 kicks / sec.

If got chance for a gathering with a drum set, then maybe I will show u live. (Lolz)
But my weakness is my left side of my limbs only. My left hand, left leg all cacat (but not noob brows.gif brows.gif )..Just cannot be as dominant as right hand and leg.
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post Jan 11 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(isaacmiranda7 @ Jan 10 2011, 05:50 PM)
Bro smile.gif

I believe that you can't really say that there is a wrong technique, and I believe that many people here will agree. Many professional drummers, use both, or even more techniques for different applications.

From a thread on DW, George Kollias thread:

Heel down:
Great balance
Speed (cause your ankle is not "locked")

Heel up:
Power
Control


Besides that, you also have heel toe, the ankle technique and so on. Different drummers swear by different techniques. Personally, I use both, for different applications. And the truth is, we're all different smile.gif

Anyway, I feel that sure, with a single kick you can do 140-160bpm and so on, yes. But why push it when you can use double kicks? tongue.gif
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True.. actually i use heels up also and my heel is not 30 degree of 45 but actually quite close to the ground. However ;lately i got this pain on the top part of my right foot not sure if its link to my technique


Added on January 11, 2011, 10:36 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 10 2011, 10:23 PM)
Probably you are right. But for me personally, heel down really could not give a good kick because there is a feeling of not enough power in the kick.. (Not in a good position to deliver a good kick). But again, that is for me.. I do not know about others.. But I am sure that most of you guys here use Heel up..

By the way, i can do around 220+ bpm using a single kick smile.gif
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220+ 16th notes or 8th?? 16th then you're GOd

Even if 8th notes you're still awesome...


Added on January 11, 2011, 10:36 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 10 2011, 10:23 PM)
Probably you are right. But for me personally, heel down really could not give a good kick because there is a feeling of not enough power in the kick.. (Not in a good position to deliver a good kick). But again, that is for me.. I do not know about others.. But I am sure that most of you guys here use Heel up..

By the way, i can do around 220+ bpm using a single kick smile.gif
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220+ 16th notes or 8th?? 16th then you're GOd

Even if 8th notes you're still awesome... to do it on one foot


Added on January 11, 2011, 10:42 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 11 2011, 09:19 AM)
Hmm.. Why it is not possible??
It is kicking 220+ times in 1 minutes (60 second), around 4 kicks / sec.

If got chance for a gathering with a drum set, then maybe I will show u live. (Lolz)
But my weakness is my left side of my limbs only. My left hand, left leg all cacat (but not noob  brows.gif  brows.gif )..Just cannot be as dominant as right hand and leg.
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Kick 4 times in a sec sounds doable... but try doing it consistently for 1 min.. unless youre doing it only for 1 sec tongue.gif

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 11 2011, 10:33 AM)

Added on January 11, 2011, 10:36 am

220+ 16th notes or 8th?? 16th then you're GOd

Even if 8th notes you're still awesome... to do it on one foot


Added on January 11, 2011, 10:42 am

Kick 4 times in a sec sounds doable... but try doing it consistently for 1 min.. unless youre doing it only for 1 sec tongue.gif
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Yea, of course can hang for more than 1 minute. Can go with that for a song or 2 smile.gif
But usually this kind of kicking is played on Metal songs, or they call it blast beat...

Usually my songs do not need blast beat...and it is not metal..

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 11 2011, 11:18 AM)
Yea, of course can hang for more than 1 minute. Can go with that for a song or 2 smile.gif
But usually this kind of kicking is played on Metal songs, or they call it blast beat...

Usually my songs do not need blast beat...and it is not metal..
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 11 2011, 11:21 AM)
Respect notworthy.gif

You're my idol now. Hope you will be around to help me in my drum journey smile.gif
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Ahhh.. I am still considered a pea, haha.. But will try my best within my ability to help if i can.
Actually, I still feel that i am still a noob smile.gif
There are so many drum saints, drum god... Haha


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OMG..???220BPM??? woww... salute..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 11 2011, 11:18 AM)
Yea, of course can hang for more than 1 minute. Can go with that for a song or 2 smile.gif
But usually this kind of kicking is played on Metal songs, or they call it blast beat...

Usually my songs do not need blast beat...and it is not metal..
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Ahh... I've never tried tbh. Anything above 200+ I just go with my doubles.
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there's a reason why double pedals were created. haha.

its just energy efficient, yes there are ppl do 100bpm 32nd but wow, penat bah tu. haha. and the practice hours. takes a very long time to get to tat speed.
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Anyone interested in 2 months old Demon Drive..Never gig..only on practise Pad...

pm me...
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Haha..
Or maybe double pedals is to enable even faster kicks?

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 11 2011, 05:21 PM)
Haha..
Or maybe double pedals is to enable even faster kicks?
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that's when you do double stroke with double pedals. 4X the speed.
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QUOTE(Jenglot @ Jan 11 2011, 05:16 PM)
Anyone interested in 2 months old Demon Drive..Never gig..only on practise Pad...

pm me...
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I'm interested lah. But now no money tongue.gif Why selling?

I'm getting the HQ Bass Drum practice pad later this week.

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