but i've played and heard some cheap brands with good sounds and tone...but it was with good batter heads and resonant side skins...hehehehe...and also has to have proper technique and try hitting accurately dead center hheehehehehe

yeah but seriously, what makes an expensive snare drum expensive? Is it the material and workmanship only? Like maybe 7 ply maple more expensive than 5 ply maple and pearl more expensive than mapex..

not that it creates special sound or wat that makes it expensive? like dat i better go for medium price snare la.. not so cheap that it broken within 1000 hits and also nto so expensive that i have to eat white rice every month..

agree?

it is not nessecary that you have to use their drum kit before you get endorsed by that brand. I've never seen Imran of One Buck Short using Cadeson kit before, but now he's one of Cadeson Endorsee. How about Yuna and Godin? Before she was using other brands, but suddenly got endorsed by Godin. In Malaysia, one of the way to get endorsed is to be known by the local music shop. This is what The Guitar Store did, they find some well known and good Malaysian artistes, and they will send a proposal to the company for endorsement (eg: cadeson, godin,etc)

and it doesn't mean that you cannot take live pictures when you're playing using other brands, what you need to do is to cover the brand of the kit. This is what Ainol of Deja Voodoo Spells always do, he'll make sure that the brand is covered (if it's not Tama) before he's playing. Last time, when Bledding Through's Derek Youngsma was here, the organizer gave him a yamaha kit, and he did the same thing, cover the brand. Rudy of Pop Shuvit got endorsed by Yamaha, but sometimes uses other brands.
what i can say is, It's a bit different in Malaysia

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Added on October 20, 2010, 10:19 pmHi dude.. nice to know you.stonebay is like one of my favourite local band.. btw, it'll be easy for you to find an endorsement laa bro, your "si murai penipu" is already on the radio what..hahaha

This post has been edited by zul.z: Oct 20 2010, 10:21 PM

What I can say is, it's very subjective.

This post has been edited by franklooi96: Oct 21 2010, 01:59 AM

I agree with you bro!! hehehe...rudy of pop shuvit told me the same thing...also izzat of hujan...he is endorse by cort but he doesnt have to use them bass all the time for live shows hehehehe...

anyways good to know there are followers of the local music here hehehehe....apa khabar bro!! anyways.if anyone of you happens to be in Kelana Jaya next saturday do drop by for our show yea hehehe...

bab endorsement...just have to wait for abg roslan aziz's side..perhaps after all them deals are done hopefully he can help...sigh...we need more local musicians to get endorsements...coz i went to jakarta twice for shows last year and this year and i see majority of them local bands, be it known or unknown...would have at least a few endorsements....paling busuk skali endorsements by local clothing brands and most of em has instruments endorsements...sigh...and most of them are unknown bands!!

dont worry bro...if u want the mid range or even the cheap snares to last all you need is to do some weekly maintenance...or at least monthly...which includes cleaning and retuning every once in a while...

i use to have this one tama artwood which i got second hand and its awesomely good and dirt cheap..13x6.5...and it sounds awesome!! I know it caught JD's of pop shuvits attention before hehehehehe...but nothing beats japan made yamaha snares or some australian boutique brands like brady drums...

and yea..what makes a snare expensive would be the material used, amount of plies of wood or wood combination, finishing, hardwares, and of course brands...but all these would be meaningless if the drum heads used are not the right ones or at the right or proper tuning...then again everything comes back down to the drummers themselves...a friend of mine owns some crappy old drums with no brands but it sounded like a 10 thousand bucks worth of drum set after he changed the hardwares and the drum heads and tuning them properly

thnx for the tips theflip.

Also wanna ask another question is, can i get a certain sound from the snare just by tuning it correctly and putting the drum heads? Or the sound depends wholely on the material either maple, how many ply and i need buy that kind of snare to get the sound i want?

try different heads configurations too. haha

i like high pitch snare like piccolo. Any tips?

I guess that works too, I've got friends overseas who do endorse brands like ESP, Pearl and Udrum so... yeah and one of them was sued for commending another kit.

It is a bit different in Malaysia.

On a low budget, go for the Pearl Steel Piccolo. Zul.z will agree with me.

ok i gonna get pearl steel piccolo as my main snare. But 1 thing is that i dont like the sound of rim shot and cross stick on piccolo. Doesnt sound good

aaa..so if u wanna get a nice cross stick sound get a snare with die cast hoops...as triple flangged hoops wont produce the crack for cross sticks...

if you like high pitch but if u still wanna have the depth u can also get snares made of 4 ply maple size 13x6.5 and tune the top head tight but not too tight that it would choke the sound of your snare hehehehe...as the 13x6.5 is said to be a power piccolo snare hehehe

personally i think steel snares would be too ringy...coz i use to own a chad smith pearl snare which is made from steel...and its very ringy hehehe...but then again it depends on ur preferences as well..u can go on you tube and check out snare reviews or go to the nearest music store and try on them snares =)

and for piccolo snares..from my experience of recording the depth of 4 inches and below doesn't give u much body sound and the sustain of the spund does not last long...if you want something similar but with power you should get a 13x6.5 or at least a standard 14x5 or 14x5.5...

but if u have the money do get your self the pearl reference from bentley...20 ply sanre and with high pitch tuning not only it will give you the pop but also the articulation and projection!! awesome snare =)

how much is your budget anyways yea? perhaps i can help u look around for good bargains?

This post has been edited by treflip: Oct 21 2010, 04:12 PM

hey....
the main factors in pricing are
1) the quality of the material
2) the quality of the workmanship
3) the brand name

so anyway, if we just consider the big names, (making the the amount we pay for the brand about the same)
you have 2 main differences to consider.

Considering wood snares.
Generally if you get the medium priced snares, the quality is okay and a cheaper material is used.
The sound tends to be not so full bodied. (because of the nature of the wood, perhaps cheaper more porous woods are used)
A batch of low quality poplar (pearl) doesn't sound so good, but a high quality poplar (http://www.drumsolo.cc/snare_drums/snare_gallery/Poplar/poplar.htm) i'm told has a very nice sound. Haven't heard it, but in my emails with Greg (the guy who makes the drums on that site), we discussed the types of woods and all that.
He tells me that a lot of wood, with the right workmanship and a good wood quality, sounds great.

Generally a expensive snare has good solid lugs and strainer, less prone to breakage, more even bearing edge( making it easier to tune and producing a more well rounded sound).

There are many variables in a snare sound, with the most important being drum head and snare wire choice.
The TYPE of snare bed can also be a important consideration.

IMO, the pearl reference is overkill....and if you're not sure about what snare sound you like just yet, you can't go wrong with a standard 14x 5.5 or 14 x 6 (for more depth) medium high quality snare.

The reason for a 14 and not a 13 is....that you can use it for more different types of tunings, cranking it up for a nice "pop" or bringing it down for a deep sound.
If you have 2 snares, then a 14 and a 13 is a solid choice.

I'm not sure if its available here, but i think the DDrum Ash snare, is a very good choice.
Maybe the Tama Artwood series are also okay.

Yamaha birches are also nice.

IMO, maple is a little too dry.



=)

Budget is less than rm600. ANyway im just surveying first. Not hurry to get anything.

Wow thats a lot of great info there. Thnx. So u mean bgetting a 14 X 5.5 snare i can tune it up to sound something like piccolo? That will be great. Get the great sound and good rim shot/ crossstick sound as well

couldn't agree more

Can u guys give me advice for getting new drum kit?

Pearl or Tama better? I notice Pearl more expensive than Tama a lot but I kinda like Pearl maybe cuz it got good name.

Then i c pearl vision is almost double price of pearl forum. Is it worth to get vison at higher price?

All selling 5 piece if i wanna add 3rd tom and 1 more floor tom where to buy? Simply get 1 2nd hand from other brands?

get the pearl vision bro!! hehehehe or better still get the pearl masters!!

money is the problem.. Most important is the drum worth the double price. if not much diference better save the money and spend on cymbals.. thats y i want to ask

buy 2nd hand. haha.

buy 2nd hand oso need to know what kind drum buy. Need you guys advice. I heard people say tama more worth than pearl.

Moving out from condominium edi?

Don't get the Pearl Forum. IMO.

I bought it overpriced and kind of regretted now.

Just a reference, maybe I'll change the drum heads and re-tune it till perfect when I move it out my room to the music room.

This post has been edited by franklooi96: Oct 21 2010, 10:45 PM