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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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marsupilami
post Aug 19 2010, 01:16 PM

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pelik, takde Melayu masuk kacau sini?
kenapa ye? lolz
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 10:30 AM)
He's also the grand sifu of Shaolin Kungfu. Kalaripayat martial art is the basis of all shaolin kungfus  rclxms.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(marsupilami @ Aug 19 2010, 01:16 PM)
pelik, takde Melayu masuk kacau sini?
kenapa ye? lolz
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adakah kamu melayu?

satu lagi, ada tak orang pergi kacau melayu punya thread?

Utk pengetahuan anda, kacau tidak pernah berlaku dalam group thread....

Nampaknya kamu failed.
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:07 PM)
no one is going to answer your stupid troll question... good job guys for ignoring troll...
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haha.. this just means buddhist have no answer.. meaning they themselves dunno what is buddhism. my Qs semua so simple u all cannot answer. fail la u buddhists... close this thread la..s aid wan solve our questions and doubts... now i ask a real serious Qs, cannot answer even 1. fail.. i demand this tered kolos !
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:20 PM)
adakah kamu melayu?

satu lagi, ada tak orang pergi kacau melayu punya thread?

Utk pengetahuan anda, kacau tidak pernah berlaku dalam group thread....

Nampaknya kamu failed.
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oh shi~patut la ni group
i thought it was because the smell of burning incense laugh.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 01:21 PM)
haha.. this just means buddhist have no answer.. meaning they themselves dunno what is buddhism. my Qs semua so simple u all cannot answer. fail la u buddhists... close this thread la..s aid wan solve our questions and doubts... now i ask a real serious Qs, cannot answer even 1. fail.. i demand this tered kolos !
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u din work doesn't mean other people no work la.

buddhist also humans la. u ask so many questions don't need think to answer?

some more u want 'proper answers'.

want good things please wait patiently.
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(marsupilami @ Aug 19 2010, 01:25 PM)
oh shi~patut la ni group
i thought it was because the smell of burning incense  laugh.gif
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Buddhist don't burn incense... u phailed again....
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 01:21 PM)
haha.. this just means buddhist have no answer.. meaning they themselves dunno what is buddhism. my Qs semua so simple u all cannot answer. fail la u buddhists... close this thread la..s aid wan solve our questions and doubts... now i ask a real serious Qs, cannot answer even 1. fail.. i demand this tered kolos !
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Your cup is full.
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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:45 PM)
Your cup is full.
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You full is cup. (<-----------think deeply as Buddhist... there's meaning to this)...
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:56 PM

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To chezzball,

You can get most of the answers from wikipedia.


QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 12:19 PM)
ok.. serious Question.. this will be SERIOUS !!!!

please answer the following Qs in sequence.

1.) What are the duties of the monks?
    To preserve and spread Buddhist doctrines, to guide the followers and stuffs.     

2.) Why do we need monks?
    Above answer

3.) If we as a buddhist disciples follow the concept of Buddhism, then what does the monk do.
    Above answer

4.) How different is Buddhism with other religion or philosophy like Confucious?
    The main aim of becoming a Buddhist is to achieve enlightenment. I've never studied Confucious much, so I dunno lol.

5.) Siddharta realize the 4 points of life: Life, Old, Sickness, Death. so what he has to say abt them and how we deal with it?
   
    Siddharta realized the four noble truths:
    1.) There is suffering in the world
    2.) There is a cause to the suffering
    3.) There is a way to end suffering
    4.) The way to end suffering; which is the Noble Eightfold Path

    The Noble Eightfold Path:
   
    Right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

    These are the basics which all Buddhist should know, if you call yourselves Buddhist  wink.gif

6.) What is Kuan Yin? What does kuan yin has to do with buddhism? I see a lot ppl CANNOT eat beef coz they pray kuan yin. So should their religion be KUANYINISM ?

    Someone help me on this.


7.) is premarital sex allowed? in christian is not allowed, so buddhism can or not?
   
    Unlawful sex is not allowed for all Buddhists. Buddhist monks are required to practice self-celibacy.
    Personally, I think consensual sex is ok, take all the necessary precautions and stuffs. Personally though, I am not a good Buddhist  tongue.gif

8.) is gambling allowed in buddhism? coz i see the disciples all gamble like crazy. if it's allowed, why can't the monk gamble?

    Gambling generates bad karma.

      (i) the winner begets hate,
      (ii) the loser grieves for lost wealth,
      (iii) loss of wealth,
      (iv) his word is not relied upon in a court of law,
      (v) he is despised by his friends and associates,
      (vi) he is not sought after for matrimony; for people would say he is a gambler and is not fit to look after a wife.

9.) Why must a buddhist monk wear the robe? any reasoning behind it?

      No idea. Someone help me, or go search wikipedia.

10.) Why a monk must accept donation but not go out work? For example I'm an IT Consultant, can i be a monk as well? day time wear suit go work, at nite or weekend oni wear the robe go temple pray like a monk.

    Buddhist monks are refrained from accepting money as part of the ten precepts. The monks you see who go around asking for monetary donations are most probably fake.

11.) What is NamoAmitabha? Since u said buddhism no god, why need those chanting/prayers?

  Chanting Namo Amitabha allows one to remind him/herself of the qualities of a Buddha.

12.) Why do we need to donate to temple? everytime i see temple got a lot donation box. i dont see any such thing in church (alto some is local msian sendiri nak do charity donation to some gaza kids, but tat's another story)

  It is not a need, but a choice really.

13.) is there anything call holy water in buddhism? coz i see u cainis love to go temple mintak the ... what u call that ah.. a piece of yellow paper with writings on it. i remember watching a cainis show, the ppl burn the yellow paper and soak in water and ask the disciple to drink it. is this the holy water?

  There are "blessed water" in Buddhism, sort of like holy water. Those who burn the yellow talisman most probably have Chinese/Daoist origins. Chinese Buddhism have large elements of Daoism incorporated into it.

14.) what does buddhism has to say about creation of life?

The 14 Unanswerable Questions

15.) so regardless how sincere we pray, we will still be in the situation and nobody will help us? for us, if we pray hard, lord will come to our rescue, and send us savior in times of difficulty.

  Depends on your karmic affinities as well. Sometimes it takes lifetimes to attain enlightenment. In the path to enlightenment, there are lots of sentient beings, of different realms, Bodhisatvas, Arahants, etc. that will help you along the way.

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post Aug 19 2010, 01:59 PM

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wow chezzball , i have zero respect for you. so many A1s in SPM, but you have no maturity
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(phantomkid @ Aug 19 2010, 01:09 PM)
lol, give people some time lah. smile.gif these answers are in my opinion and might be wrong and/or empty because i'm not a strong buddhist myself, only pray and .. believe but did not learn all the dharmasutras stuffs (and don't even know how to chant.)

1.) What are the duties of the monks?
- to help the believers communicate with God.
2.) Why do we need monks?
- as above.
3.) If we as a buddhist disciples follow the concept of Buddhism, then what does the monk do.

4.) How different is Buddhism with other religion or philosophy like Confucious?

5.) Siddharta realize the 4 points of life: Life, Old, Sickness, Death. so what he has to say abt them and how we deal with it?

6.) What is Kuan Yin? What does kuan yin has to do with buddhism? I see a lot ppl CANNOT eat beef coz they pray kuan yin. So should their religion be KUANYINISM ?

7.) is premarital sex allowed? in christian is not allowed, so buddhism can or not?
- Probably not.
8.) is gambling allowed in buddhism? coz i see the disciples all gamble like crazy. if it's allowed, why can't the monk gamble?
Yes, I guess. monks dont gamble maybe because they want to stay away from these bad habits.
9.) Why must a buddhist monk wear the robe? any reasoning behind it?

10.) Why a monk must accept donation but not go out work? For example I'm an IT Consultant, can i be a monk as well? day time wear suit go work, at nite or weekend oni wear the robe go temple pray like a monk.
they don't take donation openly.. afaik, you give them angpau instead, not a cheque written Ten-thousand ONLY.
11.) What is NamoAmitabha? Since u said buddhism no god, why need those chanting/prayers?

12.) Why do we need to donate to temple? everytime i see temple got a lot donation box. i dont see any such thing in church (alto some is local msian sendiri nak do charity donation to some gaza kids, but tat's another story)

13.) is there anything call holy water in buddhism? coz i see u cainis love to go temple mintak the ... what u call that ah.. a piece of yellow paper with writings on it. i remember watching a cainis show, the ppl burn the yellow paper and soak in water and ask the disciple to drink it. is this the holy water?
I think they call it "An Quan Zi" (sorry, I'm banana, don't know the exact pin yin) which means Safety Paper or something lah, burn and drink or something (lol).
14.) what does buddhism has to say about creation of life?

15.) so regardless how sincere we pray, we will still be in the situation and nobody will help us? for us, if we pray hard, lord will come to our rescue, and send us savior in times of difficulty.
if you meant this as christian stuff, i've seen something that a pastor do which obviously failed. no offense to christians. well, no one knows if god really exist or will be there at all times. i do pray hard at times, needing help to go through a hard time.
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That's a fail.... sad.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:02 PM

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Namo Amitabha is a chanting/prayers. Namo means converting (归依) , Ami means infinity, Tabha means the Buddha.
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:04 PM

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Transcendal buddhism (experience based) and intellectual buddhism (debates).

Got a difference. Many love debates.

For those who love debates, can refer you all to the debates between King Milinda (greeco-roman king) and Arahant Nagasena. Can google them. He humiliated many monks due to the monks' inability to answer most of his intellectual questions until few arahants have to ascend to the Travatimsa to enlist the help of the deva Mahasena. Interesting chronicles.

There is another famous debate between a group of christian priests and monk in Sri Lanka in the 19th century (during the onslaught of Christendon into buddhist lands), and apparently the monk won the debate , and it reignited nationalism and pride among the sri lankans to their buddhist tradition. I cannot find the details of the debate, maybe someone can help.

This post has been edited by soul2soul: Aug 19 2010, 02:07 PM
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 19 2010, 11:54 AM)
It's the same thing when christians go around telling muslims that Allah in islam is the same as Allah in Bible..... sure make people fight one.
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Its actually muslims telling christians that, more so claiming the prophets of christianity are actually muslims, just to trick people into joining them.
So its good you point these out. Its not ethical. nod.gif

QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:18 PM)
& Silat
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silat originates from kalaripayat ?
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:04 PM

no avatar plagarism plz, foxboy sez nuz
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 19 2010, 12:22 PM)
Try me.
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are you convinced that Karma exists? Is it not one of the requirements of a buddhist?

QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 19 2010, 12:23 PM)
yes chili is hot

if it aint hot i aint chili

need cream for that burnt butt of yours?
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naw my butt is fine. the imaginary burn on my butt only you can see apparently tongue.gif

now children, lets not feed the trolls. they can ask all the dumb questions they like and try to provoke, but the answer dosent help them in any way. Answers that matter are answers that can help them beyond intellectual superficial knowledge. try to look for questions like those.

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QUOTE(teru @ Aug 19 2010, 01:56 PM)
To chezzball,

You can get most of the answers from wikipedia.
If you wish to learn more, you should ask a Buddhist monk/guru, and there is no guarantee that my interpretation of the dharma is the right one.  smile.gif
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thanks for ur answer.. but i still dun understand.. maybe ur answer too surface dy.. hmm... hoping for other so-called 'buddhist' who keep shoot me to explain to me properly.
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 02:04 PM)
Its actually muslims telling christians that, more so claiming the prophets of christianity are actually muslims, just to trick people into joining them.
So its good you point these out. Its not ethical.  nod.gif
silat originates from kalaripayat ?
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islam and christians share many same prophet. islam and christian also pray to the same God, the God of Abraham. albeit different name, different interpretation. of course muslims will say the prophets are muslims, and christians will say the prophets are christian. It's logical for each religion to say that. nothing unethical about it
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 19 2010, 02:04 PM)
Transcendal buddhism (experience based) and intellectual buddhism (debates).

Got a difference. Many love debates.
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I would say 10% in whole human population love debate....

Just look at those atheist and non-atheist percentage...

Atheist is the person who love debate....

Religion people no debate...

So you're wrong. Many love to believe and have faith. Not many love debate...
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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Aug 19 2010, 01:59 PM)
wow chezzball , i have zero respect for you. so many A1s in SPM, but you have no maturity
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pls explain what makes my reputation level drop? i ask those question because i dont know and i want to know. people who dunno but want act know it all is called matured?

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