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post Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM

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May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary.
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM)
May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary.
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i think its the same principle is pairing 2 different HDD

the faster drive will have to compensate for the slower drive
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM)
May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary.
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People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks.

What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on smile.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 18 2010, 03:02 PM)
I think there is a good possibility that you will have to wait another year before the price drops to your target range. The Intel G3 80GB is expected to to be about RM 400 by the end of this year.
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I know RM300 will be hard to reach for another year if based on current trend. But my hand already itchy enough to buy one, already wait too long. Probably will get one in another 4-6 months, and get what RM400 can buy.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM)
People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks.

What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on smile.gif
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I am one of the many who don't own one yet and start giving advises. lol. but my advice is more realistic and based on lots of sources including YouTube. truth be told some ppl raid it but it kinda slowed it compared to single. for example ncix 8 ssd crysis. so based on that we can advice ppl to be aware of raiding it.
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post Sep 20 2010, 06:39 PM

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Any idea when exactly is Intel SSD G3 is coming out? Would like to get SSD now but I don't want after I get G2, G3 came out few weeks later.
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 19 2010, 09:27 AM)
I am one of the many who don't own one yet and start giving advises. lol. but my advice is more realistic and based on lots of sources including YouTube. truth be told some ppl raid it but it kinda slowed it compared to single. for example ncix 8 ssd crysis. so based on that we can advice ppl to be aware of raiding it.
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I think it's fine as long as we share the correct information smile.gif It's common over here that some people advice without knowing what they are talking about sometimes. When we RAID, we lose the TRIM feature so eventually things might go slow (which I also notice in my case). One of these days I have to do something about it, waste of time ain't it? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:42 PM

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Ic... thank clawhammer for explain. because in future 80GB might no enough for store software, was thinking how about raid it to get it to 160GB or just buy another piece (bigger space ofcos).
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 20 2010, 10:42 PM)
Ic... thank clawhammer for explain. because in future 80GB might no enough for store software, was thinking how about raid it to get it to 160GB or just buy another piece (bigger space ofcos).
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it really depends on what you want. do you want space OR speed ? as far as raiding goes, its on a different level. Its like trying to OC your processor to 4ghz and testing stability for weeks and months.

in short, its like what claw said, waste alot of time. =P

i realise many people here kinda derive from a crossfire/sli background, and thinks raid is the same. even if it is the same, not all sli works like a charm, and at times i'd rather buy a single more powderful card.

one simple advice. get a sandforce controlled 120gb as main, and keep intelG2 as secondary, and ofcourse 1tb whatsoever as overall backup. smile.gif
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Sep 20 2010, 06:39 PM)
Any idea when exactly is Intel SSD G3 is coming out? Would like to get SSD now but I don't want after I get G2, G3 came out few weeks later.
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here

http://www.storagereview.com/intel039s_ssd..._confirmed_2010

b4 2011 laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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post Sep 21 2010, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 21 2010, 10:40 AM)
it really depends on what you want. do you want space OR speed ? as far as raiding goes, its on a different level. Its like trying to OC your processor to 4ghz and testing stability for weeks and months.

in short, its like what claw said, waste alot of time. =P

i realise many people here kinda derive from a crossfire/sli background, and thinks raid is the same. even if it is the same, not all sli works like a charm, and at times i'd rather buy a single more powderful card.

one simple advice. get a sandforce controlled 120gb as main, and keep intelG2 as secondary, and ofcourse 1tb whatsoever as overall backup.  smile.gif
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Two SSDs? blink.gif

You are clearly too rich already and have too many huge applications and games that you need to run at the same time. nod.gif


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err.. can you all explain me more basic and simple way what is the difference between SSD and HDD ? tq~ notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(-PenG- @ Sep 21 2010, 08:40 PM)
err.. can you all explain me more basic and simple way what is the difference between SSD and HDD ? tq~  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM)
People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks.

What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on smile.gif
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Exactly, buy what you need, plenty of time my HDD is in idle mode, I still cant see a reason to pay the SSD premium when my HDD is 90% idle.

Even window boot time, a few seconds delay isnt gonna kill me. HDD do not boot windows 10-30min slower than SSD. May be you need is different from me, but for user like me, I wont be noticing any much different from SSD. it really depends on the user need, some people might find SSD useful, some like me dont.

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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 21 2010, 07:27 PM)
Two SSDs? blink.gif

You are clearly too rich already and have too many huge applications and games that you need to run at the same time.  nod.gif
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err lol not me .. i was just telling the person before the post since he already has intelG2. there's two choice : raid it or get a new one. the less hassle and have trim support is to buy a faster main, and keep G2 as not-too-slow-loading-less-intensive-apps .. XD

>billy

impatient is the word. facing office pc with PATA hdd, and going back home with just mediocre SATA hdd, well that makes a very frustrating day. hahah
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 22 2010, 10:03 AM)
err lol not me .. i was just telling the person before the post since he already has intelG2. there's two choice : raid it or get a new one. the less hassle and have trim support is to buy a faster main, and keep G2 as not-too-slow-loading-less-intensive-apps .. XD

>billy

impatient is the word. facing office pc with PATA hdd, and going back home with just mediocre SATA hdd, well that makes a very frustrating day. hahah
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i wonder whether trim is supported when using windows buildin raid function...???

i know when using hard/bios initiated raid.. trim will not work
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:20 AM

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At the moment, not possible. RAID is the problem because it will not pass TRIM commands from the OS to the SSD.
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post Sep 22 2010, 01:59 PM

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I'm really happy with the newly purchased SSD. I can really felt the performance increase that never been experienced.

Anyway, I'm not sure how to check whether the TRIM is enabled or not. Some SSD owner can point me how to check?

What I did as below:
1. Format SSD
2. Install Wins 7
3. Change the SATA control from IDE to ACHI

However, I didn't install the ACHI driver during Windows setup, so I am wondering whether TRIM is enabled or not by the machine. Will the ACHI driver will be installed by Windows 7 natively?

Another question, I'm thinking to get Corsair Force Series as well since it is about RM600 for a 60GB drive. I found some problems like kernel BSOD for the Force Series due to the firmware they used on SF1200 controller. Is this problem solved?

Any inputs will be appreciated. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 22 2010, 06:33 PM

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Ah dtdw, I just dreaming dreaming + dreaming and suddenly got question at there. So asking for knowledge ma cry.gif
pls allow people dreaming and imagines if get another piece and asking to gain knowledge cry.gif
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3 Seagate system hdd crashed my system in a year.

I am doing a lot BD iso and conversion. To me data reliability is of utmost importance. I am hoping SSD is my answer for now. (at least for now)

For normal user, performance gain is not significantly noticeable. System and programs would just load like as if they are on steroid.

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Even window boot time, a few seconds delay isnt gonna kill me. HDD do not boot windows 10-30min slower than SSD. May be you need is different from me, but for user like me, I wont be noticing any much different from SSD. it really depends on the user need, some people might find SSD useful, some like me dont.



Added on September 23, 2010, 12:08 am
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I think it's fine as long as we share the correct information smile.gif  It's common over here that some people advice without knowing what they are talking about sometimes. When we RAID, we lose the TRIM feature so eventually things might go slow (which I also notice in my case). One of these days I have to do something about it, waste of time ain't it? biggrin.gif

Boss, isn't there Intel SSD tool that can help to clean and realign data for Intel SSD?

This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Sep 23 2010, 12:08 AM

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