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Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.
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evofantasy
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 Aug 24 2010, 08:22 PM
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1 way to beat cheese, PULL UR PROBES OFF MINING IF NEEDED...
i had diamond toss cheesing me which pulling off 3-4 probes off mining would be enuff together with a chrono-ed zealot...
ur probes are doing 5 damage each, make the best use of em and micro em of course...
for example, use ur probes to dps the cannons warping in, chase after his probe and surround if able (so he cant warp in more nonsense) etc...
This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 24 2010, 08:22 PM
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ZeratoS
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Aug 24 2010, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Aug 24 2010, 08:05 PM) How u 2 gate chrono? The canon already in your base b4 your zealot out. Still can counter? U seal off the whole entrance wif pylon? Then u will need a lot pylon on same area and your ground unit can move through. Wat is YABOT? He sealed it based on what information he got from scouting. Scouting is a must. After you build your 9 Pylon is down, send the same probe to the enemy's base and press SHIFT + P around his base, then you can go back to doing your own business. |
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evofantasy
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Aug 24 2010, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 24 2010, 08:22 PM) He sealed it based on what information he got from scouting. Scouting is a must. After you build your 9 Pylon is down, send the same probe to the enemy's base and press SHIFT + P around his base, then you can go back to doing your own business. my general rule is that if it is a 1v1 map for ladder, there's always high cheese chances so scout after the pylon at 9... on larger maps, its personal preferences but i scout after the 13gate as i would like to have a strong economy... |
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xShinji
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Aug 24 2010, 08:29 PM
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Getting Started
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btw....early zealot rush is not cheese.....
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SUSf4tE
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Aug 24 2010, 08:32 PM
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if cannon rush fail then will be gg for the player liao.. cuz he wont be fast enuff to get his units up unless u give chance and wait for him build up. right right?
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evofantasy
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Aug 24 2010, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Aug 24 2010, 08:32 PM) if cannon rush fail then will be gg for the player liao.. cuz he wont be fast enuff to get his units up unless u give chance and wait for him build up. right right? i usually jz tech up to 4 gate and outmacro him... for him to cannon rush, his eco gonna hurt so much... |
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nexous
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Aug 24 2010, 08:42 PM
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Getting Started
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BTW if you build your gateways like RtP|DEV's pic, you can block entrance using a single zealot.
If you can rush stalkers to defend behind your wall, you can make a single zealot + sentries to dps+FF when your zealot's shields are up. In fact, you'll have more since the zealot can be started when your core is warping in.
If you wall off completely, it just means you can't expand later without breaking your pylon or making a warp prism.
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Quazacolt
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Aug 24 2010, 09:40 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Aug 24 2010, 08:00 PM) Usually when i play PvP on ladder, i place my first pylon like this:  When i scouted 2 gate build, i look for 2 things. How much probe he has, did he stop probe production? Look out for the blue lights above nexus. Next i'll look if he chrono boosted his gateway or not. If 1 of those 2 thing happens, i will save my chrono boost and put my 2nd gateway on the blue box to completely seal off my entrance. Then go for blink stalkers. If he decides to attack, laugh at him after his 5/7 zealots die to 2/3 stalkers. If he decides not to attack, you're still ahead since he either stop probe production or didnt chrono boost his nexus. You can seal off your entrance this way on every ladder map except scrap station and 5 o'clock starting position on delta quadrant. I've tested it on YABOT. fuyoh very detail with graphical explanation 
Added on August 24, 2010, 9:42 pmQUOTE(nexous @ Aug 24 2010, 08:42 PM) BTW if you build your gateways like RtP|DEV's pic, you can block entrance using a single zealot. If you can rush stalkers to defend behind your wall, you can make a single zealot + sentries to dps+FF when your zealot's shields are up. In fact, you'll have more since the zealot can be started when your core is warping in. If you wall off completely, it just means you can't expand later without breaking your pylon or making a warp prism. wrong, with the way he build, its perfectly sealed and no zealot is required. typically i dont do complete sealing ever unless im against zerg, and thats typically when im trying to fast tech cheese  This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 24 2010, 09:42 PM |
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nexous
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Aug 24 2010, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2010, 09:40 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
fuyoh very detail with graphical explanation
Added on August 24, 2010, 9:42 pmwrong, with the way he build, its perfectly sealed and no zealot is required. typically i dont do complete sealing ever unless im against zerg, and thats typically when im trying to fast tech cheese I don't know if you misread me or just don't know. If you build the gateways like in the pic without the in between pylon, a zealot and probe can cross between the gateways. A stalker can't. Try it. |
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evofantasy
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Aug 24 2010, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2010, 09:40 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
fuyoh very detail with graphical explanation
Added on August 24, 2010, 9:42 pmwrong, with the way he build, its perfectly sealed and no zealot is required. typically i dont do complete sealing ever unless im against zerg, and thats typically when im trying to fast tech cheese i never complete seal vs anyone unless i use a pylon to seal... |
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ZeratoS
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Aug 24 2010, 10:37 PM
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Even in SC2 got bengs man! Trash talking in mandarin. Dang.
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SUSf4tE
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Aug 24 2010, 10:45 PM
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where beng? can stararcraft support chinese languiage?
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Quazacolt
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Aug 24 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(nexous @ Aug 24 2010, 09:54 PM) I don't know if you misread me or just don't know. If you build the gateways like in the pic without the in between pylon, a zealot and probe can cross between the gateways. A stalker can't. Try it. which part would the zealot/probe fit through then? |
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nexous
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Aug 24 2010, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2010, 10:55 PM) which part would the zealot/probe fit through then? Why don't you try it out? Make the gateways adjacent and diagonal to each other like in the pic posted earlier without the pylon in between. Then test move your units. Or if you look at the pic, see the arrow pointing from the probe? |
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Quazacolt
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Aug 24 2010, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(nexous @ Aug 24 2010, 11:08 PM) Why don't you try it out? Make the gateways adjacent and diagonal to each other like in the pic posted earlier without the pylon in between. Then test move your units. Or if you look at the pic, see the arrow pointing from the probe? yeah, not going through. did you even read his msg btw? "completely seal off" part? |
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nexous
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Aug 24 2010, 11:27 PM
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Sigh. Why don't you screenshot what you did here? I'm posting from my mobile and can't get into the game now.
2 diagonal gateways is not zealot/ling tight. That's why he used the pylon in between the gateways.
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Calvin Seak
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Aug 24 2010, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2010, 09:40 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
fuyoh very detail with graphical explanation
Added on August 24, 2010, 9:42 pmwrong, with the way he build, its perfectly sealed and no zealot is required. typically i dont do complete sealing ever unless im against zerg, and thats typically when im trying to fast tech cheese lol why do you need to seal your base so tightly? What do you go after sealing your base  |
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nexous
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Aug 25 2010, 12:05 AM
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This is from liquipedia http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/WallUnder building placement If two buildings are placed diagonally so that only their corners meet, only small sized units can pass between them. To see which units can pass between diagonally placed buidings see the #Units that can pass through semi-walls This post has been edited by nexous: Aug 25 2010, 12:06 AM |
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Quazacolt
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Aug 25 2010, 12:13 AM
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http://www.quazacolt.com/starcraft2/replay...block.SC2Replaybetter yet, a full featured replay and lol i f***ed my BO really BAD doing that 2 gate. since im a stalker player and all... and he f***ed my gas too D:
Added on August 25, 2010, 12:13 amQUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Aug 24 2010, 11:55 PM) lol why do you need to seal your base so tightly? What do you go after sealing your base DT/void cheese. loolololo
Added on August 25, 2010, 12:15 amCODE [URL=http://www.quazacolt.com/starcraft2/replays/lolblock.SC2Replay]complete seal guide by rtp|dev played by Quazacolt[/URL] unker incx! add to front page please. lol can copy the above pictar + guide too by rtp This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 25 2010, 12:18 AM
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TSincx
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Aug 25 2010, 07:52 AM
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Added to the list.
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