Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.
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 Nov 3 2010, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 3 2010, 06:06 PM) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=165609 One thing i noticed about idra is, he never(well 99%) go for roach early rush, so it doesn't really help much for us, coz the only problem for us (protoss) against zerg is the roach early rush.NoNy 4-1 IdrA... go watch this and hopefully u get some better PvZ ideas (streaming em now)...  |
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Nov 3 2010, 08:28 PM
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colossus is OP
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Nov 3 2010, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 3 2010, 08:19 PM) One thing i noticed about idra is, he never(well 99%) go for roach early rush, so it doesn't really help much for us, coz the only problem for us (protoss) against zerg is the roach early rush. actually he do roach rush a lot...lots of his replays he do use roaches infestors etc... i guess he didnt see the need for early roach rush and we all knw he like macro games... |
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Nov 3 2010, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 3 2010, 08:19 PM) One thing i noticed about idra is, he never(well 99%) go for roach early rush, so it doesn't really help much for us, coz the only problem for us (protoss) against zerg is the roach early rush. Most of the time for me when i see roach build I would most definitely go for FE and my only unit composition are stalkers and sentry thats allThis post has been edited by Calvin Seak: Nov 3 2010, 10:41 PM |
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Nov 3 2010, 10:33 PM
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Girl Final not bad huh This post has been edited by M4A1: Nov 3 2010, 10:35 PM |
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Nov 3 2010, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Nov 3 2010, 08:28 PM) colossus is OP not really...if u can micro well..it dies in a sec...p/s: final whine: pls buff hp of every unit of protoss by at least 50/50 to stop marauders cheesing..  |
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Nov 4 2010, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 3 2010, 10:22 PM) Most of the time for me when i see roach build I would most definitely go for FE and my only unit composition are stalkers and sentry thats all the 3 gate FE rite?mostly gotta need cannons as well and tech to blink... |
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Nov 4 2010, 02:27 PM
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Yea. Wish I had blink in the game that I had against a zerg.
Would have worked wonders after watching the Nony vs Idra Game 3.  |
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Nov 5 2010, 02:41 AM
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even koreans think that protoss is freaking weak...
the official whine graph of koreans (playxp is highly popular by koreans btw) http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n...jing%2F&act=url 75% of the community thinks protoss is the weakest LOL Added on November 5, 2010, 2:43 ambtw zerg's highest was 80% and toss is already at 75%... hmmm... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 5 2010, 02:43 AM |
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Nov 5 2010, 07:06 AM
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The translation is just... LOL
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Nov 5 2010, 05:23 PM
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btw do check out HuK's game from the EGmasters cup last weekend
(http://djwheat.blip.tv/?sort=custom;date=;view=archive;user=djwheat;nsfw=dc;s=posts;page=1) there are some really good plays by HuK and u can download em... |
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Nov 6 2010, 08:52 AM
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early pool rushes against zerg...
seriously, does most zerg like to do a 6 pool, 8 pool or a 10pool against toss? best strat to counter is to build 2 gates and pull probes to be the gate keeper in anticipating that all zergs will use this strat early game, right? an early 2 gate would be easy to transition as well...we do need the cybercore when the rush is over (which i believe the zerg will just keep on pumping lings eventhough the attack has been nulled) |
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Nov 6 2010, 11:15 AM
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aih, got bronze. i think i will lose to those females at ESL.
any tips to practice and get better? |
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Nov 6 2010, 11:58 AM
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Study like how you studied for your SPM @ www.teamliquid.net
Watch like how you chased all the TVB series drama @ day9tv youtube channel. This post has been edited by kEazYc: Nov 6 2010, 11:59 AM |
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Nov 6 2010, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Nov 6 2010, 08:52 AM) early pool rushes against zerg... What to do against 3RR then?seriously, does most zerg like to do a 6 pool, 8 pool or a 10pool against toss? best strat to counter is to build 2 gates and pull probes to be the gate keeper in anticipating that all zergs will use this strat early game, right? an early 2 gate would be easy to transition as well...we do need the cybercore when the rush is over (which i believe the zerg will just keep on pumping lings eventhough the attack has been nulled) |
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Nov 6 2010, 12:40 PM
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Stalkers and sentries
But to me the best strat would be 15 fe or 14 forge followed with a nexus |
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Nov 6 2010, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Nov 6 2010, 08:52 AM) early pool rushes against zerg... 14 pool 15 FE for me since protoss has a slow way to build up their armyseriously, does most zerg like to do a 6 pool, 8 pool or a 10pool against toss? best strat to counter is to build 2 gates and pull probes to be the gate keeper in anticipating that all zergs will use this strat early game, right? an early 2 gate would be easy to transition as well...we do need the cybercore when the rush is over (which i believe the zerg will just keep on pumping lings eventhough the attack has been nulled) |
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Nov 6 2010, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Nov 6 2010, 08:52 AM) early pool rushes against zerg... not a good idea at times...seriously, does most zerg like to do a 6 pool, 8 pool or a 10pool against toss? best strat to counter is to build 2 gates and pull probes to be the gate keeper in anticipating that all zergs will use this strat early game, right? an early 2 gate would be easy to transition as well...we do need the cybercore when the rush is over (which i believe the zerg will just keep on pumping lings eventhough the attack has been nulled) u will just roll over to the 3-5RR build... teamEG master cup HuK lost to slush when he 2 gated thanks to roaches LOL... |
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Nov 6 2010, 03:40 PM
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"u will just roll over to the 3-5RR build.."
5RR = 5 roach rush? anyway, i'm trying to think of a best counter to those early ling rushes cause as toss, i think most zergs will try to just do a ling run by and kill the pylons before the 1st zealot is out...which is not impossible if you spawn in a 2 player map...even on a long rush distance map such as scarp station...and think of the huge ramp there is on that map...LOL anyway, if the oppo goes mass roach, at least when u got 2 gates (and there isn't any "mass" lings coming knocking on your ramp), you only slightly delayed the cyber core a little and could pick up from there considering that roach moves slowly without creep...not as slow as hydralisk, but yea and roaches can wipe off expos easily now with their 4 range buff...and i doubt that you would want to fast expo if your oppo is gonna ling rush ya, right?XD This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Nov 6 2010, 03:40 PM |
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Nov 6 2010, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Nov 6 2010, 03:40 PM) "u will just roll over to the 3-5RR build.." not slightly...5RR = 5 roach rush? anyway, i'm trying to think of a best counter to those early ling rushes cause as toss, i think most zergs will try to just do a ling run by and kill the pylons before the 1st zealot is out...which is not impossible if you spawn in a 2 player map...even on a long rush distance map such as scarp station...and think of the huge ramp there is on that map...LOL anyway, if the oppo goes mass roach, at least when u got 2 gates (and there isn't any "mass" lings coming knocking on your ramp), you only slightly delayed the cyber core a little and could pick up from there considering that roach moves slowly without creep...not as slow as hydralisk, but yea and roaches can wipe off expos easily now with their 4 range buff...and i doubt that you would want to fast expo if your oppo is gonna ling rush ya, right?XD its a big delay... the roach rush is off 10pool... when the roach reach ur base and u go 2 gate -> core u would only have 2 zealot 1 stalker/ sentry and warpgate starting research... must i say that zealot are horrible vs roaches? again refer to HuK vs Slush in teamEG master cup which was only last weekend to get a better idea on why toss rarely go 2 gate vs zerg now... its way way way too unflexible... later on in the series huk went 1 gate -> forge just to hold off the roach and still suffer some losses... |
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