i get what you mean now evo

so a 1gate --> forge is the best way to play around vs anything early the zerg could pull off against a toss?

problem is that, i made a 13gate and laid down a 17 cyber core and my lot isn't (halfway) done when i was 8 pooled rush on scrap station

prolly is cause i did a 14 gas while the pool was like 80% completed?LOL

forge wall off will stop 8pool

well...true, but if it's scrap station...prolly need another pylon to do so...and of course...needs to be alert where the lings are...not like when they are just right outside your ramp, lol

nt really but u definitely need a forge to handle a early roach rush as zealot dun do that well, sentry are too gas expensive and stalker's dps is really low...
when u scout a early pool (usually its 10-11 pool), keep ur probe around and try to see did he drop a roach warren...

even before the roach buff (actually since beta), when u go 2 gate and u see a roach warren, u still gotta drop forge into cannons...
zealots are just bad vs roaches in general...
if u do wanna go 2 gate rite, there is the 2-stalker build (gate gate gas core into double chrono stalkers) but u need to micro it well vs ling and hope his pool is not earlier than 11...

as for scrap station, i usually place my buildings below the ramp as its easier to wall off plus allow FE builds...

I have replays on how i deal with zergs, most of the time I do the 15 FE, its the easiest way for me, im currently 1.9k protoss and terran in NA just a normal casual player..

Ill also post my replays on how i deal with siege tanks too as protoss.. By monday I guess because im not around Would love to help every protoss here!

<3 the 15nexus build

I should be thanking you for the wonderful TL article

hmm, so, toss has a pretty safe FE build too eh?lol

and yup, i know that gateway units are helpless against roaches, haha

When a go for the 15 nexus build, the zerg just spam roach and speedling... Always got steam roll..

u need cannons and u need to know when to chrono ur army instead of probes from both of ur nexus...
it takes quite some scouting and prepare accordingly...
and its nt really suitable for some maps...

and if needed pull out some probes for def early on, u have 2 nexus to replenish it back...
so in the end its more towards knowing what and when to chrono...

Is robo necessary in pvp?

to me pretty much as colossus are huge...
and u wont die to random DT rushes...

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Added on November 7, 2010, 4:55 amnazgul just knocked idra down to loser's bracket in MLG Dallas...
superb blink play especially on kulas ravine...
that's such a strategic masterpiece...

too bad the map is not on ladder anymore...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 7 2010, 04:55 AM

to me, collosus is the key to victory in pvp

1st one to collo tech wins...haha

P V Z Game 1
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12898

P V Z Game 2
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12902

P V Z Game 3
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12904

P V Z Game 4
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12906

P V T - Against Tanks
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12900

P V T 2 - Against Tanks
http://screplays.com/replays/scrubiee/12912

I hope the replay helps..

Things to note

-Chrono warp asap on cyber

-Chrono +1 attack so that your zealots could 2 hit kill the zerglings instead of 3

-Placement of cannons are very important when it comes to FE..

-Placement of FF can be the key victory to your battles!

for additional reference besides scrubiee's, watch TTOne's game vs Machine for MLG Dallas semifinals (winner bracket)...
he open with 15 nexus, machine response with roach rush and u can learn how confident TTOne defended that...

drop cannons, cancel them and warp in 6 gateway worth of unit from his just completed 6 gates...
didnt pump that much probe despite 2 nexus and from there on, its just faceroll...

15nexus is very variable even in high lvl (mythbusted those that say it auto loose to roaches)

It seems that blink stalker rush is also one of the good build to counter roach rush, after watching some nazgul's pvz action in mlg, yay or nay? Im sucks in analyzing, hope someone could give some pointers

no...
mass roaches > blink stalker...
nazgul's play was really good cause of his timing (and all he did to prepare for that push) and good usage of the map...
surely blink micro is good but when the roaches get to a critical mass (75/25 cost make it easy lol) they can just focus fire it down (similar to hyrdas)...

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TTOne lost to jinro using polt timing attack again "
the most imba TvP build...

Been away for a month now....any new builds for protoss? Or should I just stick with the good ol' fashion 4 build gateway lol.

I farkin hate collossus..!

Calvin just posted all his nice replays. Go check it out.
I am still using 4 gate occasionally too.

Haha why? You can just kill the toss before he gets it.
Some toss are pretty weak since they tech too fast to get the colossus only to have a small gate army to protect it, which is bad in day[9]'s books.