you can use ur iphone to surf even though u dun have the mifi, but u are not getting their yes speed. u can use their yes life to make calls,sms and so on but u are only using ur 3g operators speed.

Benifits is their call rate might be cheaper..

1. Speed
2. make sense if u can share among devices

very confuse..no need their device and yet can call or sms and without simcard some more?? em...

Maybe not the normal call and sms but messaging and calls through the internet perhaps?

Which movie? I wanna watch that.

they use internet to call.. jus like skype

2009 was a promotional price & package... which I could have continued using... except I "negotiated" for higher bandwidth with their systems... they terminated my account

2010 is a retail package. In a way it wasn't technically a huge loss... I really like the 1.5Mbps upstream, worth the 512kbps sacrifice on the downstream IMO.

So if the Buzz phone is basically running a voip app, I wonder if it can be rooted to add other stuff?

should consider see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

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Added on November 11, 2010, 12:39 pmand this one might be some we can expect :



This post has been edited by xyfix: Nov 11 2010, 12:39 PM

I think you are also living in your own dream world. You're not referring to a pipe dream, you're referring to an utopia dream world where resources are infinite. Yes, telco advertisements have a lot of lies. I agree with you on that. But to draw a parallel, they are just restaurants that offer 'all-you-can-eat' at a fixed price, and the customer expects the kitchen to have unlimited stock of every ingredient. Who is the fool in that scenario?


I read your blog, I read your Twitter, and read your posts in this forum. You're right about over-subscription, and you're right about a lot of technical things, you're right about telco advertisement lies, but I think you got a typical hypocritical Malaysian mentality. "I pay for buffet so I should be able to eat how much I want". I buy land freehold, so I build your house however tall and however ugly I want? I pay good money to buy an expensive speaker set, so I blast it however loud I want? I can pasang lights outside my house, so I fix glaring stadium lights to shine 24-hours? I'm not in any way condoning the unscrupulous tactics of telcos, but your thinking is similar to the guy I quoted above, which is to be honest, isn't very reasonable.


You mirror what I think, and I agree with your idea on traffic management during daylight/night hours. That's the principle of how a 'smart grid' works anyway, Wikipedia the term if you're interested. Hope YTL does this, but since they say they don't control or throttle their pipes, I don't think they'll have this.

You also have the right idea I feel. It's comforting to know not all Malaysians have a gutter mentality. Go work around South East Asia, the people in those countries always say: "Malaysia never fight for anything, no wars. That's why they expect everything to come easily without effort." I feel so hurt when the Vietnamese (French, USA), Indonesians (Dutch), Cambodia (Pol Pot), Myanmar (civil war), Philippines (Dutch, USA) etc say this, because it is true. We Malaysians always so damn greedy with our utopia thinking and complain we don't have enough, when we actually have so much more than others.


You got the analogy wrong here. You didn't buy a Ferrari (enterprise gigabit fibre channel DWDM), you bought a Honda Kap (consumer broadband). You're expecting a Honda Kap to go at the speed and performance of a Ferrari. The result is obvious.

Oh and by the way, the 'Enterprise SDSL' you mentioned isn't enterprise grade at all, it's a crappy consumer-grade best effort line, that's why it's so cheap. For an equivalent vehicle maybe I'd say SDSL is like a Proton Wira?


I think this YTL fellows have been in the electricity business for long enough. Simple economics dictates that you pay for what you use, and Internet has become a commodity service like water/electricity. Want to use more water, pay for it. Same with electricity, same for Internet. I don't see why anyone has any case to complain, and YTL will make more money of the heavy users so these guys (or girls) pay for the infrastructure they use. I think it's fair when they say they got no cap or throttling, why would they want to do that? You use more, you pay more, they make more, it'd be stupid to throttle your own revenue stream isn't it?

The throttling method doesn't make sense either. Why would I want to degrade a customer's experience? Why not let the customer self-moderate themselves with pay-per-use? I just have to guarantee that the extra you pay me goes into scaling up the experience to what you're paying for (in terms of infrastructure cost). Sounds reasonable to me.
Check out Verizon's iPad+mifi advertisement. Having a bandwidth intensive device means you would want to have a pipe to a high bandwidth network, right? Just because your iPhone comes with a data plan from Maxis/Digi means you treat Yes as 'another plan'? Why not buy a iPhone+mifi and use YTL's network to make call via wifi? Plus now I can use Facetime, which I can't with Maxis/Digi crappy 3G? Sounds good in theory...

A lot of testosterone-filled posts, boys. No intention to start a flame war, but some comments base their principles on childish thinking. I'm more worried about coverage and the per MB price, if those 2 are ok it makes sense to go for their pay-per-use, high-speed mobile internet.

This post has been edited by Forum-Modding Newb: Nov 11 2010, 11:32 PM

I'm try to think I'm not a typical hypocritical Malaysian unfortunately, I like to think of myself as a someone who expects Company A to deliver B when they say they are going to deliver B. I'm fairly certain if you read my posts closely, the majority of them (or quite possibly all) are based on "quotes" of others, whether or not those quotes will hold up or no is another question.

And at the end of the day, would you pay for a buffet if it isn't all you can eat? (I would then write another post about how you can't call it a buffet if it isn't all you can eat).

(a) Freehold land + tall and ugly: It is your land, you did pay for it, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I'd say go for it.
(b) If you have the money to buy an expensive speaker set, you would also invest in soundproofing... beyond which, there are laws about disturbing your neighbours. This is possibly your weakest example.
© Stadium lights: As long as your lights aren't shining into my bathroom, you are good to go!


My analogy was directed at multiple usage caps for a single connection... not at actual performance. I'm not very sure how you managed to extract the performance/speed comparison from it. The analogy would still make sense if you replaced the Ferrari in my example with a Honda Cup. I sell you a Honda Cup for RM5000, but if you go further than 200KM, it turns into a bicycle. Again, no mention of performance or speed at which you go. I see your point, and agree with it... but at no point did I attempt to disagree with that logic.

I think you confuse testosterone filled with actual good discussion, which is what the forum is really for (instead of posts containing "HE HE HE YA LE..." and similar). I don't sense any gnashing of teeth here...

Slight hiccup with interconnect on certain blocks of numbers.
I received the following email this morning.



This is a good start.
At least they keep you posted of issues and changes rather than let you find out yourselves later.

I agree that it's subject to the price per kB (standard way of charging for data is per kB not MB - kB is better for consumer if it's per block count).

For you suggestion of utilizing iPhone to make voice call on MiFi, i will say an iPod is a better choice (cheaper, slimmer and lighter).

However, I strongly believe it's cheaper to make a voice call using conventional voice plan than using a pay per use data plan considering the different of on-net and off-net call.

I don't think they will bill you by the KB.
KB measurement is fine if you are on dialup or a very very expensive data plan on your cellphone where you'll be very careful with its use but not on broadband

For example, take Digi's smallest(and most expensive) prepaid, the Discover package @ RM68 for 3GB.
That works out to 68/3072MB = 2.2 sen per MB.
At KB measures that will be 2.2/1024 = 0.000021 sen.

Would you sweat over two thousand of a sen?

As for voice calls, I'm guessing they won't count towards your data usage.
Instead they will bill you by time.
For comparison, check out Unifi where they use separate channels for Data, VOIP and IPTV.

My number is within the 332 block and I never receive such email noticing there's a problem with the said block. I guess not everyone was notified.

is RM1/day cheap?

just wait and see........

i did not received the email as well!

Maybe they've resolved the interconnect issue with your 332 block?

Fair play to you sir, a level headed discussion it is.

I don't think it is a good start... I read the owner's interviews and he sounds like he's promising the world. Big picture guys are great, but from my experience some of these big picture guys don't put enough weight into the little details. Like they say, if you can't do the little things well, how can I trust you with the big things?


Hmm didn't think of that. If this Yes Life thing is what they say it is, I should be able to use my iPod as a full-fledged phone isn't it? Yes Life = calls via PC ala Skype = Skype has an iOS app = Yes Life also has an iOS app? Wow. iPod + Huddle = 4G phone. Heck, iPad + Huddle = 4G phone!

That would be sad. Skype calls, which are VoIP, are 60 min = 25.98MB which by your definition of 2.2sen/MB means a 1 minute VoIP call should = 0.9526 sen/minute!!! If they can pull this off the telcos are dead meat. Ok maybe they have to pay for interconnect fees to the Digis/Maxis/Celcoms of the world, add a few sen to that, you could get a price of less than 3-4 sen/minute theoretically, right?

How about SMS? An SMS is 140 bytes, again by your definition of 2.2 sen/MB the price of one SMS in an all-IP environment is..... 0.0003 sen!!! So best case scenario YTL Yes gives us 3-4 sen/minute off-net 1sen/min on-net calls and 3 sen/1000 SMS if they stick to 2.2 sen/MB data....

Nah, it probably won't happen. They'd probably get sued if they offer that kind of ultra-undercut price, but Francis Yeoh did say that "voice-centric business models of the established telcos are not sustainable" (quote from here).

This post has been edited by Forum-Modding Newb: Nov 16 2010, 12:37 AM

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