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post Nov 6 2010, 06:40 PM

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confuse..how to use YES if no sim card? special phone or device? because in their web dont mention anything about device that will able to use YES network

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post Nov 6 2010, 07:04 PM

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hope it will not just be another isp like the rest sweat.gif
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
Put it simple for others to understand. You're saying that they're overselling their services.Which might be true too.
For a fixed line provider using DSL technology it's much easier to manage compared to wireless. Physical ports are fixed and you can easily justify how much bandwidth you need to feed for each DSLAM.
What're you're saying there is not practical and selfish. You pay for a buffet meal and you tell others you deserve to grab everything plate on the table set aside and everyone should do the same?Early bird gets the worm, finders keepers?Rat race competition?Strong lives weak die?

In such situation, there is a need of a proper intervention to avoid abuse.This is where the isps comes in before they end up losing even more subscribers than they could gain and close shop?
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ISPs by default WILL oversell their bandwidth. That's just part of life. The only bandwidth that isn't oversold or has no contention ratio is leased circuits.

What I'm saying is, (some) ISPs take advantage of the contention ratio - too much advantage. An acceptable contention ratio is 1:20 which is what TIMEdotCom is going with the last time I checked. If they have 1Mbps of bandwidth, they a 1Mbps connection to 20 people. As a result, you have 20 happy customers - DESPITE the fact that TIMEdotCom up till today has a maximum of 6Mbps Internet widely available.

To clarify, all Internet connections ALREADY HAVE BANDWIDTH CAPS. It's just simple math; a 1.5Mbps connection will max out at approximately 400GB+ month. No matter how a 1.5Mbps connection user chooses to abuse this connection, his cap is there. My main peeve is with ISPs throwing out big numbers when it comes to bandwidth 10Mbps, 8Mbps, 11Mbps, and then applying a data cap that could easily be hit by a connection that is 10% of their advertised speed. If you are unable to support those speeds, don't market them.

Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!

That is my opinion of a secondary data cap.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.
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I'm not exactly sure which condo has a fixed equal monthly fee for water... or no supply from the mains... but that's beside the point.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
Now, this is from my observation. Most complaints made by users about slow internet usually happens during peak hours of the day from 10am to about 11pm every day. If an isp can manage their resources well enough by giving smooth access for everyone during these period, you would be able to see a mass reduction of complaints. This is why the volume cap must be implemented during peak hours so that everyone deserves something equal.
The other free hours during the morning from 12am till 9am you can take away the caps and have all you want.Only weirdos stay up that late on weekdays anyway.

All these but then again, you might be right about bandwidth overselling which is very true as well for the likes of TMnut. Where is MCMC role here to ensure such things doesn't happen?

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If an ISP can really manage their resources well enough, everyone would get smooth access REGARDLESS of whether or not there are bandwidth hogs. The volume cap is something that at the end of the day benefits an ISP a lot more than it would benefit the actual consumers. Believe me when I say that there are bandwidth hogs on TIMEdotCom infrastructure, but oddly, there are very rarely people complaining?

Unfortunately for us, MCMC has no power over what contention ratio an ISP chooses. The best that MCMC (in theory) has the power to open the last-mile to allow open competition - but it has taken us about 15 years of fighting to get them to "semi-open" the last-mile to Jaring. Open competition would (most likely) result in people hopping from TM to whatever other ISP isn't run by a bunch of retards (that all drive Merc S classes for some strange reason). Unfortunately, true open competition will likely never happen here - certain people who receive $$$ from TM sit in certain very important chairs.

So, we're all left bickering about our Internet speed while South Korea continues to leave us behind - when in actuality, Malaysia adopted the Internet before South Korea smile.gif
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 6 2010, 05:31 PM)
Isn't this comparable to other wireless service providers like Digi, Celcom or Maxis?
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post Nov 6 2010, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Nov 6 2010, 08:25 PM)
after exceed quota
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I meant comparable from a pricing point of view.

In a Pay-As-You-Go model, there should not be any slowdown because there would be no cap.
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post Nov 6 2010, 09:19 PM

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In a PAY AS YOU GO MODEL, you pay what you use hence I don't believe there will be any fair usage policy involved since there is no quota. You will get the maximum throughput available you can get at best effort.

However, I believe bandwidth throttling for P2P and torrent might still be applicable when congestion occurs.

I don't think anyone will use a PAY AS YOU GO MODEL to perform torrent ... unless you are extremely rich.

Currently Maxis 3G rate is "1 cent per 1kB" for pay per use, we will see how much YES will be charging.

I saw my bill monthly for my regular usage exceed RM1k if not with a package.
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post Nov 6 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users. get the policy maker that you vote into office to push for 90% average consistent market speed policy (which mean, if a service policy market and sale a 2MB broadband, 100% of the subcribers should get consistent average of minimum 90% (1.8MB) every milisecond for the entire duration of service for all type of usage - p2p sharing included. Its a pipe dream? If its a pipe dream and the service providers should be jailed for "fraud".
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It's not the first ISP that has that bandwidth problem in Malaysia.

If you have the chance, maybe try to setup an ISP company and provide the service you said our ISP should. I will sure subscribe (assuming the price is still ~RM100).

I believe the ISP in Malaysia is buying leased line for their backhaul at about RM 2-3k per Mbps (subject to negotiation) from the leased line provider.

If you can provide 4 Mbps to every subscriber at RM200 with maximum 4Mbps download for everything 24x7 p0rn download included ... I'm your customer.

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Move into a TIMEdotCom serviced condo then smile.gif

Been enjoying good service for 10 years now.
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post Nov 7 2010, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 6 2010, 09:19 PM)
Currently Maxis 3G rate is "1 cent per 1kB" for pay per use, we will see how much YES will be charging.

I saw my bill monthly for my regular usage exceed RM1k if not with a package.
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Yikes!!!

At 1 sen per 1KB that's RM10K+ for 1GB!!!

I don't think YES would be charging that much.
They'll price themselves out of the market at that price.
Besides, they'll be using wimax which is a data centric network.

Probably in future, YES will also launch an All-You-Can-Eat model for a flat discounted rate.
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post Nov 7 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 7 2010, 12:12 PM)
Yikes!!!

At 1 sen per 1KB that's RM10K+ for 1GB!!!

I don't think YES would be charging that much.
They'll price themselves out of the market at that price.
Besides, they'll be using wimax which is a data centric network.

Probably in future, YES will also launch an All-You-Can-Eat model for a flat discounted rate.
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Yup... all-you-can-eat... even buffet have their own rules, no leftover food...

But for BB, i think they sure will throttle or at least Fair Usage Policy...


Every BB in the world is overselling bandwidth, which is logic...
But with the high ratio of Heavy User against Light User, overselling bandwidth would sure makes the line congested...



I think thats y they only rule out the "Pay For What You Use", so there wont be heavy user and their line wont get congested...


Just accept the fact and be grateful for what you have...
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post Nov 7 2010, 02:03 PM

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So u can download 24/7 with maximum speed with the timedotcom ?

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post Nov 7 2010, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Nov 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

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drool.gif if really 1sen per 1mb i'll straight away throw my digi n change to yes tongue.gif

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post Nov 8 2010, 11:07 AM

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how power is this...

u can use 1 ID (018-xxxxxxx) into ur pc, mobile... etc at the same time..

i d pikc a GOOD NO. rclxm9.gif

MOST IMPORTANT can use as FON as well as SMS, MMS..

wow!! not bad hv a try but still wan c the RATE 1st...

wait the the 19th NOV coming



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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 5 2010, 09:02 PM)
umobile whats that ? can eat one ah ? lol..

umobile still alive ? thought they bungkus long time ago first with mitv then umobile with their funky number then ..

what is umobile doing now ah ?
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been using umobile broadband since it first came out, so good not many ppl know about it coz at first there wasnt any FUP hehe
speed also good. now they just launched 42mbps hspa thumbup.gif
but coverage doh.gif
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oh, yes.my got a ytl own speedtest program?

http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/speed-test.aspx
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Nov 8 2010, 11:22 AM)
been using umobile broadband since it first came out, so good not many ppl know about it coz at first there wasnt any FUP hehe
speed also good. now they just launched 42mbps hspa  thumbup.gif
but coverage  doh.gif
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yeah, now ppl now more concern on SPEED & COVERAGE area...

they will partnership with SAMSUNG later launch more SIMLESS fons..
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post Nov 8 2010, 03:25 PM

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This YES is YTL's new service? Looking to get new BB as my TMNet still slow ... and I can't get unifi and 4mbps is not available in my neighborhood. Any idea how fast their service is tech wise? So far as long as it is as fast as my work line I am happy and thats running at 5mbps. smile.gif
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QUOTE(x132755 @ Nov 8 2010, 11:31 AM)
yeah, now ppl now more concern on PRICE, STABILITY, SPEED & COVERAGE area...

they will partnership with SAMSUNG later launch more SIMLESS fons..
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QUOTE(ihsan @ Nov 6 2010, 01:38 PM)
you see they just can't say no to mr lee. so all yes man la, just like the product.
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Yes Man? Tan Sri Yeoh Tiang Lay?
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QUOTE(nujo87 @ Nov 7 2010, 02:25 PM)
drool.gif if really 1sen per 1mb i'll straight away throw my digi n change to yes tongue.gif
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It's always been that rate roughly if you do take pay per use.

But I do recall most telco will cap that per use at RM250? I know maxis do that, but not sure if others do so. But yes, pay per use is very very expensive. THat's why most telco offer internet plan with capping. You don't want capping? You pay for it.

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