Based on the softlaunch yesterday... I would say... don't get your hopes up. It isn't the "game-changer" that YTL makes their solution out to be (and it sure as hell isn't 4G since the ITU has finalized their requirements).

A more or less wrap-up of yesterdays softlaunch: http://bit.ly/cJ7xzO

That wasn't their average speed, in order to get an average you must perform more than 1 test. They did ONE test to a LOCAL server.

And even if 11Mbps was their average speed... that is with ZERO subscribers on the network.

Think before you speak.

From what I've heard, no throttling... but then again, the rates I have heard are in no way cheap or even competitive to other pay-as-you-go solutions (think along the lines of buying a HotLink SIM just to surf data with no promotions). All hearsay, but from reliable sources.

In case you didn't know, if it wasn't for the "bandwidth hoggers":

- Internet worldwide would still be 56kbps; therefore
- the WWW would still be filled with white pages and black text only; therefore
- flickr would not exist; AND
- youtube would not exist

It has always been the "bandwidth hoggers" that push bandwidth requirements forward. Everyone is selfish to some extent, learn to consider other points of view.

I've read this sentence about 5 times and still am unable to understand the point you are trying to put forth.

So it's okay if I download lots of healthy porn which I have time to use? Content is content, regardless of whether or not it's "healthy" or no, as you put it.

I'm not a Streamyx user. My point of view is as a person who wants our local Internet infrastructure to improve. The issue IMHO is that giving our local ISPs an excuse to throttle heavy users is a very very slippery slope. As it is, our local ISPs already have contention ratios and backbones that are below average at best. Saying that we give them the thumbs up for throttling will only cause them to increase contention ratios and as a result, continue to use existing backhauls for much longer - therefore slowing down improvement of local Internet speeds.

Your idea of throttling is a bad thing in a country like ours where there is no "real" competition to the incumbent Telekom Malaysia when it comes to true wired connectivity - and take into consideration that TM has been doing this for years with no repercussions (pretty much). Apply this idea of throttling in a country with open competition - doesn't matter which - and you will see that ISP go under VERY VERY quickly... Nobody wants to buy a car knowing that it only goes a total of 200km a month - think of it that way.

So you are saying that the issues that TM users are facing are PURELY because of bandwidth hoggers? Nothing to do with the fact that the contention ratio on Streamyx is something like 1:100?

Except what you are asking for isn't the same or equal? If I pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection and you pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection... why is it that I can't fully utilize it 24 hours a day just because you choose not to? So in other words, everyone is equal... but some people are more equal than others right?

In the same logic, if we both buy condos... but I choose not to live in my condo... that means you can't live in your condo either?

ISPs by default WILL oversell their bandwidth. That's just part of life. The only bandwidth that isn't oversold or has no contention ratio is leased circuits.

What I'm saying is, (some) ISPs take advantage of the contention ratio - too much advantage. An acceptable contention ratio is 1:20 which is what TIMEdotCom is going with the last time I checked. If they have 1Mbps of bandwidth, they a 1Mbps connection to 20 people. As a result, you have 20 happy customers - DESPITE the fact that TIMEdotCom up till today has a maximum of 6Mbps Internet widely available.

To clarify, all Internet connections ALREADY HAVE BANDWIDTH CAPS. It's just simple math; a 1.5Mbps connection will max out at approximately 400GB+ month. No matter how a 1.5Mbps connection user chooses to abuse this connection, his cap is there. My main peeve is with ISPs throwing out big numbers when it comes to bandwidth 10Mbps, 8Mbps, 11Mbps, and then applying a data cap that could easily be hit by a connection that is 10% of their advertised speed. If you are unable to support those speeds, don't market them.

Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!

That is my opinion of a secondary data cap.

I'm not exactly sure which condo has a fixed equal monthly fee for water... or no supply from the mains... but that's beside the point.

If an ISP can really manage their resources well enough, everyone would get smooth access REGARDLESS of whether or not there are bandwidth hogs. The volume cap is something that at the end of the day benefits an ISP a lot more than it would benefit the actual consumers. Believe me when I say that there are bandwidth hogs on TIMEdotCom infrastructure, but oddly, there are very rarely people complaining?

Unfortunately for us, MCMC has no power over what contention ratio an ISP chooses. The best that MCMC (in theory) has the power to open the last-mile to allow open competition - but it has taken us about 15 years of fighting to get them to "semi-open" the last-mile to Jaring. Open competition would (most likely) result in people hopping from TM to whatever other ISP isn't run by a bunch of retards (that all drive Merc S classes for some strange reason). Unfortunately, true open competition will likely never happen here - certain people who receive $$$ from TM sit in certain very important chairs.

So, we're all left bickering about our Internet speed while South Korea continues to leave us behind - when in actuality, Malaysia adopted the Internet before South Korea

Move into a TIMEdotCom serviced condo then

Been enjoying good service for 10 years now.

Only for the past 10 years...

From 2000-2002: RM1399 for 2Mbps Enterprise SDSL
From 2003-2005: RM418 for 512Kbps Enterprise SDSL
From 2006-2008: RM138 for 512Kbps Consumer SDSL
From 2009-2010: RM99 for 2Mbps/512Kbps Consumer xDSL
From 2010-current: RM138 for 1.5Mbps/1.5Mbps Consumer xDSL

Unfortunately, TIME over the past couple of years has deteriorated and become one of those companies that takes 5 years to roll out new things. Hopefully now with the merger with AIMS/GlobalTransit things will change and they'll roll out their fibre solution a little faster.

2009 was a promotional price & package... which I could have continued using... except I "negotiated" for higher bandwidth with their systems... they terminated my account

2010 is a retail package. In a way it wasn't technically a huge loss... I really like the 1.5Mbps upstream, worth the 512kbps sacrifice on the downstream IMO.

I'm try to think I'm not a typical hypocritical Malaysian unfortunately, I like to think of myself as a someone who expects Company A to deliver B when they say they are going to deliver B. I'm fairly certain if you read my posts closely, the majority of them (or quite possibly all) are based on "quotes" of others, whether or not those quotes will hold up or no is another question.

And at the end of the day, would you pay for a buffet if it isn't all you can eat? (I would then write another post about how you can't call it a buffet if it isn't all you can eat).

(a) Freehold land + tall and ugly: It is your land, you did pay for it, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I'd say go for it.
(b) If you have the money to buy an expensive speaker set, you would also invest in soundproofing... beyond which, there are laws about disturbing your neighbours. This is possibly your weakest example.
© Stadium lights: As long as your lights aren't shining into my bathroom, you are good to go!


My analogy was directed at multiple usage caps for a single connection... not at actual performance. I'm not very sure how you managed to extract the performance/speed comparison from it. The analogy would still make sense if you replaced the Ferrari in my example with a Honda Cup. I sell you a Honda Cup for RM5000, but if you go further than 200KM, it turns into a bicycle. Again, no mention of performance or speed at which you go. I see your point, and agree with it... but at no point did I attempt to disagree with that logic.

I think you confuse testosterone filled with actual good discussion, which is what the forum is really for (instead of posts containing "HE HE HE YA LE..." and similar). I don't sense any gnashing of teeth here...

So basically if I sell you a Ferrari that turns into a Kancil after 200km you have no issues? Next time you go shopping for a car or house contact me... I'll definitely have good deals for you.

From what I've heard, it will be "slightly" below the current Maxis pricing for data... so you are most probably looking at about 3-4 sen. The premium is basically because the data charges are pay as you go (think along the lines of the call charges of Hotlink vs Postpaid) rather than a package deal.

Well, I already did say earlier that it will be slightly cheaper than Pay-As-You-Go maxis/digi data much earlier. Why are people acting so surprised?

lol i am mr biatch0


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I have 80% signal according to their control panel on the 16th floor. You "should" be safe. I think it depends more on the direction you face (or your windows face) rather than how high up you stay.

Local peering is actually already in place. The issue is that they are currently reannouncing their BGP routes causing some of the routes to go haywire before being picked up. Should be better in a couple of days...

You need a dictionary for every word I said?

I equated multiple caps to multiple limitations. Example in terms you "might" understand:

(1) Petrol - Yes, YOU came up with this
(2) kilometers traveled - This is mine

So, I sell you a Ferrari. With 20 liters (20GB) worth of petrol which will take you 200km. After 20 liters are finished, the Ferrari turns into a Kancil which can only do 80km/h.

If you buy another 20 liters of petrol, the Ferrari remains a Kancil until the end of the month regardless whether or not you want to drive it around (fill more petrol) before magically turning back into a Ferrari.

I hope I didn't use any big words to confuse you.

This post has been edited by biatch0: Nov 25 2010, 01:11 AM

My analogy was in reference to the multiple caps that many ISPs apply. It's pretty obvious my analogy would not fit yours simply because you aren't even talking about the same thing. How you read it otherwise I will never know...