when agi hero's is pumped + BKB, they are quite fit and wont die easily ma. So of course Bone can back stab a sven 1 vs 1 with BKB. And of course, kill him.
Replay arr ... no one post. how to watch ?!

and i feel that sven's HP is just average .. not high nor low. lucifer's HP is much more higher than sven's
so a reaver is needed.
why you say doesnt fully utilize his god strengh ?
the hammer gives you extra 25 attack + HP right? good ma ... so you dont die easily when you're gang banged ...

actually if u read this long-ass guide over the dota forums, there's this post full of calculations and screenshots that proves that buying a reaver and a crystallys for sven fully utilizes god's strength better then going straight for a burize or a heart.

Well those are no noobs and they are definitely clear on how guardian angel works and how you plan on using it to counter them. Timestop goes through GA no? Anyway you mentioned that if GA is activated same time with timestop but if timestop was activated first then how? The thing on the nature of GA and timestop. Stun definitely gives you the edge if you are dependent on physical attacking heroes. What they do is they kill you kill you until their hero is strong. The first time sentinel was killed, the scourge din counter push at all, just farm until bone became strong enough


Ya we definitely did that of course, my friend's team is all DOTA regulars and they know this kind of stuff. However we placed nukers in necrolyte's lane instead, rhasta + morphling because we know he has the biggest edge in farming at early game. Bone was walking alone with nerubian assassin and that made killing him very difficult since they are double windwalk-ers and NA can impale. Anyway, the bone was pumped, so even if he cannot farm it doesn't mean anything


Actually bone can't really win sven one on one. The difference was in timestop

crystalys + reaver = cheap

what do you mean cheap? it's a cheap tactic or the items are cheap in price?

reaver cheap??not 3500?

i like boundry HUNTer!!

Question about 6.06: Does hand of midas/yasha/power thread stack?

i thought the ONLY thing god's strength do is to add your attack damage by PERCENTAGE
the more damage u have the more you'll get when you god's strength right ?
got such thing as
i got reaver and crystallys then my normal damage is nearly 100 and i GS level 1 with increment of 75% ill get 190 damage
WHILE I HAVE BURIZE AND A HEART ill have normal damage at 150 and when i GS ill get ONLY THE 75% DAMAGE ?! which is at ... 263 ??
doesnt make sense ...
explain more lah sven worshippers

read vincee's post properly
it says "a burize or a heart"
not burize AND a heart

Quoted from the Sven's guide ni www.dota-allstars.info

"The low cost of the recipe ingredients for Crystalys make it easy to save up for and purchase. With the additional damage and Critical Strike from Crystalys, he will be able to inflict significant damage to heroes as well as farm incredibly fast. This will make it much easier to save 3200 gold for a Messerschmidt's Reaver. Keep in mind that Sven should have two Bracers, Power Treads, and Mask of Madness no later than level 11. That gives him from level 12-16 to get 6050 gold, which is easy to do if he farms constantly and get hero kills when given the opportunity.

Then at level 17 he will have 115 strength and 439 damage (768 damage Critical Strike) with God's Strength activated. He will also have 105% attack speed with Power Treads and Mask of Madness activated, not counting additional agility from increased Stats, which means he can deal over 3200 damage in 10 seconds without getting Critical Strike or using Storm Bolt. Over 1900 of that damage will splash to enemy units within melee range. Sven can use this incredible power to farm his way to bigger items by annihilating creep waves, killing heroes, or soloing towers."

What the writer meant is the item order, crystalis + reaver > only burize or only heart with god strength.

we're talking about malaysia local tournament.... which i watched is fully pumped Sven VS Fully pumped bone flecher
bone can easily ownz sven if the sven didn;t carry gem .... can u see what i meant? due to his windwalk..... if face to face bone whack sven sure can't fight lar... bone flecher is born to backstab ppl one
ya... actually depends on the situation... if opponent team overall damage quite high i suggest u get reaver/heart for sven.. otherwise just pump burize + BKB + madness + power tread should be enough

hmm okok i think i got the point
but any of you guys ever wondered magnataur casting overpower on sven after sven activated GS ?
damn ... how high the damage would be ? + >200 % damage !!

just wanna add sumting 2 that:

wit d implementation of patch 1.18, if swen bolt's bonebone while bonebone activates windwalk, the bolt wont work

imagine you have lv 3 GS, Magnus emped you, your base damage(say 200) would be:
200*180% = 360
and then you GS, new base damage:
360*175% = 630

but so what?!
one emfeeble from Bane can reduce it to 630/2 = 315 lolz!

......works oso while bane brainsaps a hero windwalking away too......

315 damage is still quite powerful you know ?
so mainly bane alone cant really kill sven lah ...
he can only lower sven's damage ... but challenging his damage ... hmmm quite difficult.

err... bane brainaps i dunno.. but storm bolt comfirm not working on windwalking bone ... storm bolt when cast while the bone immedietly windwalk won't do any damage eventough it kena

ur calculation wrong la
god's strength and empower works by taking your base damage plus any additional str from items/stats. Neither skill adds to the base damage, so they kinda work separately
so if base dmg is 200, it would be 200 + (200*80/100) + (200*175/100)
which is still damn a lot

that's why - give him scythe, shoot a few times, grip him, let bones ks .....
bones being fed

haha my mistake....
shud have typed "additional dmg" instead

i just counted using calculator liao
it's 710 O_o
but i think that's a little exaggerated cause 200 base dmg quite high
have any of you guys notice that sven and magnus actually quite simliar, they both have a stun, they both have a buff and they both have cleave O_O
but then got slight differences though
GS is ulti making it more for killing heroes while empower has damn low mana cost making it useful for farming, summore can buff allies
magnus' nuke i say is much better than sven's nuke cause aoe damage summore can damage towers!!!! it's a really good source of income as it makes it so much easier to get tower kills.
another thing is magnus' cleave has larger radius than sven's cleave
from the way i talking also know i wanna say magnus > sven

oo oo i forgot to add, magnus has a bigger ass than sven

This post has been edited by YuuYuu: Apr 28 2005, 08:13 PM

erm....
they took off the "tower-killing shockwave" in the later versions, so forget about it
but yea, you can say that magnus is hell alot more flexible than sven, in terms of team strategy...a powerful AOE stun, 80% empower.... it's WOOT

no wonder scourge always wins XD