Wow time flies and before u know it we are having a V2 thread for Dota. Keep up the constructive discussion guys and may DOTA live forever

Personally I prefer the caster build even though Lina has the ultimate to supplement her attacking power as her nuking skills are really strong. But this might work depending on the opponents. For example, if your opponent has low hp heroes like Pugna and Drow Ranger I think it would be much more efficient to go for the caster build

IMHO, one on one, slardar might win cause bash gives u a really big advantage, not to mention amplify damage. But looking at the whole situation Sven is able to kill heroes much more faster than Slardar on equivalent item basis. Slardar can't really kill fast. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Slardar is weak. Its just that he's probably more of a supporter than a finisher role. I have tried Slardar with hyperstone, MoM, power threads, cranium basher, and stygian yet I still find Sven a much better hero as a killing machine

If you ask me, slardar does not even need blink to be effective cause of sprint. Just play smart. I don't like MKB, it cancels out my Slardar bash, which stuns much longer. With lvl 2 amplify damage you can already start killing actually. Heart is not efficient on slardar, you'll do better with hyperstone. Anyway, slardar in 5.84c sux, he's damage was nerfed significantly, totally uncomparable to 5.84b

but 6.06 already addressed many issues that made people's PC lag. I sure hope Chen comes back in the next version he's cool. Can anyone give me some tips on using Tiny da Mountain Giant properly ?

Came back from ICCG, my friend played but I din played. First 4 rounds all won by Scourge. Why? See replay urself Although I don't know where to get it

Easy, if all heroes meet together, Timestop and bone already can take out 2 heroes within that time. Bane Elemental nightmare one hero and fiend grip another hero. Rest all gangbang sven. Works like a charm every single time. No matter how much you pump sven, bone won't be far away from you. The difference in in Timestop. Even if Sven got BKB before bone, which is what happened most of the time, timestop is ur biggest enemy. Thats why Scourge win every single round in ICCG

Well actually there WAS a morphling. But he was there for double mass serpent ward instead of attack. It was more of a competition of whether Sent can pump Sven faster or Scourge can pump bone faster. So I don't think morphling's attack makes a difference since he is gonna be empty by pumping Sven. And when I mean empty, I mean totally, not even boots. The bone: stygian at lvl 6, BKB at lvl 9, Burize at lvl 11. How can morphling stand up to him? The main key was timestopper yes. But it was because of timestop, not his attack or carrion swarm. And because of the aoe of timestop its impossible to focus on timestopper. Once he gets his lvl 6, he will camp at base if he needs to

Well as mentioned it was a game of pumping. If your side only got 3 people to pump sven, the other side got all 4 to pump bone, who will win? Naturally all 4 have to pump their respective heroes. And even though its a pumping game we can't risk using heroes that can farm well, we'll also need disablers and pushers for attacking. Anyway I feel like saying this: Scourge is overpower. Even though both Sven and bone are pumped to the same extend, even though if sven has the edge timestop makes the whole difference as it is an ulti and goes through bkb. Sven stunned, bone wins, thats how the scenario goes.

Sent: Rhasta, Morphling, Silencer, Sven, KoTL. Scourge: Bane Elemental, NA, Necrolyte, Bone, Timestopper

Well keeper of the light is there for farming and chakra, nothing else. Due to chakra, he gives u a very very big edge in early game, especially when all our heroes except Sven only has null talisman at max. Double warstomp sounds good but we were thinking more on the pushing part cause it was a 1 hour match and we know that we have to use sentinel's early advantage, which is to push. However, double warstomp could work and turn the tables around, we might try that next time.

We knew about the omniknight and saw a replay of some clan matches using him. But he requires a refresher orb to really push good and he's quite item dependent. Since we decided we had to push Sven all the way, we skipped him cause Timestop >>> Guardian Angel. Even if u use guardian angel, timestop and you are dead. And if we pumped a refresher orb for him, Bone >>> Sven.

Well those are no noobs and they are definitely clear on how guardian angel works and how you plan on using it to counter them. Timestop goes through GA no? Anyway you mentioned that if GA is activated same time with timestop but if timestop was activated first then how? The thing on the nature of GA and timestop. Stun definitely gives you the edge if you are dependent on physical attacking heroes. What they do is they kill you kill you until their hero is strong. The first time sentinel was killed, the scourge din counter push at all, just farm until bone became strong enough


Ya we definitely did that of course, my friend's team is all DOTA regulars and they know this kind of stuff. However we placed nukers in necrolyte's lane instead, rhasta + morphling because we know he has the biggest edge in farming at early game. Bone was walking alone with nerubian assassin and that made killing him very difficult since they are double windwalk-ers and NA can impale. Anyway, the bone was pumped, so even if he cannot farm it doesn't mean anything


Actually bone can't really win sven one on one. The difference was in timestop

They are, i guess they are talking about ap

Hmm don't know about you guys but personally I also feel that medusa with manta is cheap. In my hostel, ursa or medusa with manta style is a banned tactic, anybody who use it we kick him once he enter our game next time. I got to say even though u want to win shouldn't use this kind of cheap tactic because it is extremely imba. Its much worst than pumping heroes. Still, if I were you, I would win the game, for reasons I wouldn't disclose

Anyway, just started playing 6.06 and I think earthshaker is very very imba on a person who knows how to use him well. At lvl 12, he can kill any low hp hero almost instantly. Even str heroes can't stand his nuking. A few fissure and he can go in for the kill already. And I also have problem using SA 2.0, I feel that his early game is extremely weak. If against heroes like drow ranger still ok but if against nukers really don't know how to play, he's HP too low and mana not enough for me to spam smoke screen+blink strike. Any advice?

The problem with SA is he's mid game is too weak and his hp is too low. What items u all get for him? I spam smoke screen and blink strike like crazy but can only kill low hp non-disabling heroes like drow, somemore if they use sentry ward I really can't do much. what items u all get for hi m?

Smokescreen is really good, but I find myself annoying people more than killing them (although they are REALLY pissed off). Air thx for the advice it sounds good I am gonna try it. I was wondering will basher + MoM work? Cause with him stunned u can backstab maybe 1 or 2 more times. My friend was suggesting guinsoo so that u can hex then backstab, rinse and repeat. But I find it too high of an item to go for and in between my SA is really weak

Ok guys I need help with another new hero, Axe. Anybody knows how to use this guy well? I think other than counter helix there is nothing special about this guy........ His culling blade range sux and battle hunger damage is too little even though it has like a 600 casting range (I put 1 point to annoy people who use flask or clarity ). Berserker call is cool though, my favourite spell on him

if battle hunger can't be nullified by killing a creep then its cool

5.84c ursa got bug with fury swipe

by the way I was thinking going straight for butterfly is quite hard as I have no items to help me in the middle. So I was thinking is diffusal blade a good item? Smokescreen+purge and backstab can be cool............

Well I tried S+Y but I don't think it was really helpful Maybe I should go for sange alone then only get diffusal. Really need to do a lot of experimenting.

And ya spirit breaker is crazy. I backstabbed people quite a few times and they were like WTF I was thinking sange for a little health and damage boost since it is on the cheap side. Can't really think of any item build for him. Was considering dagon but then his mp is really low...... Hyperstone and satanic maybe?

Cause eaglehorn too expensive and too high to work up, too. But why would you get butterfly for spirit breaker? I was thinking of satanic + hyperstone because he is on the low hp side, leaching and +str from satanic helps significantly. Hyperstone makes your Mighty Bash comes out more often