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tienhou18
post Apr 24 2005, 08:09 PM

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perhaps there should be a dota competition where pumping is not allowed, then it would be more interesting, or else dota tourney would be plain boring watching both teams pumping their respective heroes...
come to think about it, it is timestop that's imbalanced i guess, because of timestop my medusa made triple kill in a clan game, sven died before he even got near me

by the way let's talk about 6.06, haha just played my 1st game of 6.06 just now, typed random and got necrolic, new necrolic with all new skills, 3v4 at the start as my team had 1 leaver, and then it became 2v4 as my pudge is a bloody noob feeder, but guess what, my necrolic made a triple kill haha...highest frag...but in the end lost of course, hate leavers and noobs....
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post Apr 24 2005, 09:05 PM

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i also juz played 6.06.....but i take enigma....he is a great pusher....
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post Apr 24 2005, 10:23 PM

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post Apr 24 2005, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Apr 24 2005, 04:50 PM)
Well as mentioned it was a game of pumping. If your side only got 3 people to pump sven, the other side got all 4 to pump bone, who will win? Naturally all 4 have to pump their respective heroes. And even though its a pumping game we can't risk using heroes that can farm well, we'll also need disablers and pushers for attacking. Anyway I feel like saying this: Scourge is overpower. Even though both Sven and bone are pumped to the same extend, even though if sven has the edge timestop makes the whole difference as it is an ulti and goes through bkb. Sven stunned, bone wins, thats how the scenario goes.

Sent: Rhasta, Morphling, Silencer, Sven, KoTL. Scourge: Bane Elemental, NA, Necrolyte, Bone, Timestopper
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hmm....
disablers and pushers...
KoTL wont do much IMO, against skilled pros he prolly wont stand a chance during mid-game - perfect target for bones if you ask me.
and what's morphling doing? why use morphling? 2 RoC/2 heals wont change anything, unless you guys are going for a rush.

somehow i feel uneasy with the choice of heroes sentinels made. if you really REALLY need pushers, you guys should have chosen a tanker-cum-healer - omniknight and 2 blink stunners - centaur + morphling. while morphling pumps up centaur, both silencer and omniknight can pump.

but that's how i play during clanmatches - ppl buy circlets and mantle for me, i use them for 2 nulls 2 cirlets 1 boots at beginning to kill heroes..... maybe u guys have your way of playing ^^
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post Apr 24 2005, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(tienhou18 @ Apr 24 2005, 08:09 PM)
perhaps there should be a dota competition where pumping is not allowed, then it would be more interesting, or else dota tourney would be plain boring watching both teams pumping their respective heroes...
come to think about it, it is timestop that's imbalanced i guess, because of timestop my medusa made triple kill in a clan game, sven died before he even got near me

by the way let's talk about 6.06, haha just played my 1st game of 6.06 just now, typed random and got necrolic, new necrolic with all new skills, 3v4 at the start as my team had 1 leaver, and then it became 2v4 as my pudge is a bloody noob feeder, but guess what, my necrolic made a triple kill haha...highest frag...but in the end lost of course, hate leavers and noobs....
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give necrolic a skaadi at lv 15 and see him owns!
btw his birdies are quite cool if used in focus-fire - increase dmg thumbup.gif
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post Apr 24 2005, 11:48 PM

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Well keeper of the light is there for farming and chakra, nothing else. Due to chakra, he gives u a very very big edge in early game, especially when all our heroes except Sven only has null talisman at max. Double warstomp sounds good but we were thinking more on the pushing part cause it was a 1 hour match and we know that we have to use sentinel's early advantage, which is to push. However, double warstomp could work and turn the tables around, we might try that next time.

We knew about the omniknight and saw a replay of some clan matches using him. But he requires a refresher orb to really push good and he's quite item dependent. Since we decided we had to push Sven all the way, we skipped him cause Timestop >>> Guardian Angel. Even if u use guardian angel, timestop and you are dead. And if we pumped a refresher orb for him, Bone >>> Sven.
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post Apr 25 2005, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Apr 24 2005, 11:48 PM)
Well keeper of the light is there for farming and chakra, nothing else. Due to chakra, he gives u a very very big edge in early game, especially when all our heroes except Sven only has null talisman at max. Double warstomp sounds good but we were thinking more on the pushing part cause it was a 1 hour match and we know that we have to use sentinel's early advantage, which is to push. However, double warstomp could work and turn the tables around, we might try that next time.

We knew about the omniknight and saw a replay of some clan matches using him. But he requires a refresher orb to really push good and he's quite item dependent. Since we decided we had to push Sven all the way, we skipped him cause Timestop >>> Guardian Angel. Even if u use guardian angel, timestop and you are dead. And if we pumped a refresher orb for him, Bone >>> Sven.
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double stomp is a pushing technique what....
you stomp to chase heroes away.....sweat.gif

you dont need refresher to play GA, and besides, IF both timestop and GA are being activated at the same time, GA will definitely gain the upperhand - 9 seconds of GODLIKE rules over 5 seconds of timestop. and with that added health regen that is SOOOO bloody fast, you can go and attack for the 2nd round too....

actually, did you guys try to prevent bones from farming XP? like using rhasta to kill him off...something like that?


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post Apr 25 2005, 01:41 AM

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Off topic from clan match...

When I soul steal using TB, a zeus can interrupt me with lightning bolt, why?

Edit -> Anyone of you can provide the replays for the APIIT inter-college tourney?

This post has been edited by szeping: Apr 25 2005, 01:42 AM
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post Apr 25 2005, 02:09 AM

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Huh? Soul steal can be interrupted with bolt meh? Dunno,never tried....but then again, soul steal is a bit buggy
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post Apr 25 2005, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(Vampyr3 @ Apr 25 2005, 02:09 AM)
Huh? Soul steal can be interrupted with bolt meh? Dunno,never tried....but then again, soul steal is a bit buggy
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dunno bout 5.84c, but TB in 6.06 seems ok to me....
in fact, i'd never pawn so much before using him....
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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 24 2005, 01:47 PM)
6.06 lv 4 split arrow does 70% dmg for each.
waaaa
how did bones killed sven..... sweat.gif
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did u know the Point Xtream cafe tourney the final winner team also with bone as main killer? bone if pumped easily can defeated sven and with his windwalk u hardly see bone died more than sven smile.gif
i have to agree.. 5.84c sourgce is very imba due to timestop.... timestop can stop everything eventhough u activated BKB ... and if use moprh copy and refresh can have three times timestop... what team can tahan 9 sec attack?? shocking.gif
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post Apr 25 2005, 09:12 AM

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err, morphling is a sentinel hero, we are talking about scourge fighting sentinel
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post Apr 25 2005, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(tienhou18 @ Apr 25 2005, 09:12 AM)
err, morphling is a sentinel hero, we are talking about scourge fighting sentinel
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oh sorry... that was -AP game... when morph steal timestop.. lol ~ biggrin.gif
but timestop is the mainkey for scourge team win ler flex.gif
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post Apr 25 2005, 04:18 PM

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yala, basket
i asked my friend who was the head organiser if they have the replays or not
but he still haven't reply me yet :S
i guess he busy cleaning up and stuff
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post Apr 25 2005, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Apr 25 2005, 04:18 PM)
yala, basket
i asked my friend who was the head organiser if they have the replays or not
but he still haven't reply me yet :S
i guess he busy cleaning up and stuff
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i still cant believe how da hell bones kill sven....
really need the replays to determine my doubts ....
YuuYuu do you mind passing the replays to me if you have it?
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post Apr 25 2005, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 25 2005, 04:38 PM)
i still cant believe how da hell bones kill sven....
really need the replays to determine my doubts ....
YuuYuu do you mind passing the replays to me if you have it?
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my friend's team was using sentinel and the champion team using scourge... as i said... they using bone as main killer and my friend's team using sven as main killer..... the whole match they play i was there observed~ biggrin.gif
sad to say this... bone + nerubian assasin + darkterror( timestop) = Ouch!! sad.gif
even mighty sven with burize + BKB + power tread + madness + god streght also died... cry.gif
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post Apr 25 2005, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Apr 25 2005, 05:01 PM)
my friend's team was using sentinel and the champion team using scourge... as i said... they using bone as main killer and my friend's team using sven as main killer..... the whole match they play i was there observed~ biggrin.gif
sad to say this... bone + nerubian assasin + darkterror( timestop) = Ouch!!  sad.gif
even mighty sven with burize + BKB + power tread + madness + god streght also died... cry.gif
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AH CEH!
got 2 heroes issit.......
ceh ceh ceh!
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This post has been edited by sanjikun: Apr 25 2005, 05:09 PM
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post Apr 25 2005, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 25 2005, 05:09 PM)
AH CEH!
got 2 heroes issit.......
ceh ceh ceh!
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what ceh lar... when gangbang ... sure 5 v 5 hero one mah... if 1 on 1 sven VS bone.. i'd say it's a draw or sven die... unless sven carry gem with him lar... coz bone can use death path on own creeps and can windwalk... u rarely can see bone die especially with BKB tongue.gif
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post Apr 25 2005, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Apr 25 2005, 05:53 PM)
what ceh lar... when gangbang ... sure 5 v 5 hero one mah... if 1 on 1 sven VS bone.. i'd say it's a draw or sven die... unless sven carry gem with him lar... coz bone can use death path on own creeps and can windwalk... u rarely can see bone die especially with BKB  tongue.gif
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not quite....
a 600++ crit would give him an amount of health replenishment...
besides, 1v1 juz run away from him la, wait till his bkb expires, stun him back, whack kao him with god's str....sure can win 1......

nerub + bones.....that's quite dangerous leh, esp. if sven whacks nerub 1st, he'd take alot of damage if he ever critical'ed nerub - spiked carapace, 40% dmg returned....that hurts....


EDIT: and WHERE DA FCUK YOU GET THAT HOMER, AIRBOOM?!
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post Apr 25 2005, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 25 2005, 05:56 PM)
not quite....
a 600++ crit would give him an amount of health replenishment...
besides, 1v1 juz run away from him la, wait till his bkb expires, stun him back, whack kao him with god's str....sure can win 1......

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while you're waiting wont bf attack you, reducing ur hp drastically?

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