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post Apr 18 2005, 05:17 PM

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weeeeeeeeee~! v2 thread liao smile.gif

anyway, bringing forward the discussions from the past thread tongue.gif

sanji, regarding not buying any rings at all, well i find it hard to farm and stay in a lane for long if i'm forced to be against a heavy nuker. most of the time i stay behind creep lines and run here and there and when i see a creep about to die i run in front, land the final blow and fall back. most of the time i would've kena nuked sad.gif note that this is what i go through when using the centaur.

but then again i've fought against a sven myself when using a crystal maiden and actually i had more problems nuking him then he did doh.gif whenever i frosted him he'll throw a hammer at me. so i switched to nova alone but that didn't hurt him much either cause he sure had alot of hp and he throws a hammer at me whenever he feels like it which was really painful considering i don't have much hp so as a result i had to run back home giving him the chance to farm freely...
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post Apr 18 2005, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(newbie2 @ Apr 18 2005, 05:23 PM)
hm... how to use juggy effectively??? i found him super easy to use... but but but... i think i nvr kill enough.... i see other people get 30-5 using juggy before... i usually pump ward and the critical one... i also use omni for finishing move... super good against tt bone and SA!!1 wahaha....remember last time i pwn them 15-1...
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don't really use juggy but the last time i got him in an ar i went blade/stats and then getting crit later and only getting ward last. worked for me that time smile.gif


QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 18 2005, 05:55 PM)
ok 1st, you DONT go head on against nukers at early rounds. you stay away from his/her zapping range, but far enough for you to leech xp from creeps. 2nd, you farm when it's clear or there are only melees.

and...seriously, when sven's got fed and has decent lv, there's noting you can do other than organizing a gangbang team to get rid of the threat.
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so you're saying i'm supposed to just stand there in xp range and do nothing? sweat.gif i don't know. doesn't seem like a good idea to me. i prefer running in to land the final blow on a creep and backing off quickly. with a ring of regen the hp lost from nuke can be quickly gained back and i just repeat the process.
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post Apr 19 2005, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 18 2005, 09:26 PM)
that's what i do....let them shoot the tower for all i care, coz when i stunned them away it's my turn to farm. and you dont let them nuke you la, i mean, you let zeus
lightning bolt you 3 times only then you will back off meh? sometimes rings dont really work the way they should. besides, the additional stats, like aforementioned, will give you an added regen rate.
of course you will hit creeps whenever you can la... god willing, you can stun those creeps to get money too...... althought it's really  waste not to be able to use it on heroes, but better than nothing.

and that's why i sometimes buy pots at the beginning - it may come handy when you are fighting against pushers, nukers or str melees....
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okiiee, thanks for clarifying smile.gif i'll go play around to see if i need that ring to suit my playing style


QUOTE(da3shou3 @ Apr 18 2005, 10:29 PM)
5.84d out. Not sure who release that. Not from official site for sure.
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another version? sweat.gif proves how many people dislike drastic changes. the people in the cc's i play in are still playing with 5.84c
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post Apr 19 2005, 07:44 PM

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omg, sven rocks so hard! just won a 4v4 where my team was losing badly thanks to two early leavers. then me and phantom assassin started pwning everyone like mad, reached lvl25 and just cleared their base thumbup.gif laugh.gif

edit: was doing 1k++ crits with my burize. just a little lower then the phantom's laugh.gif killing that sand king was like slicing a hot knife through butter

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post Apr 20 2005, 02:59 AM

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won 3 games today playing sven laugh.gif thumbup.gif but i find that i have some problems defending my tower or lane. in all 3 games my lane had 2 towers down and the last tower severely damaged towards the game sweat.gif

but this was quickly remedied when i turned on god's strength and MoM and demolished all 3 towers and a barrack of that particular lane while my enemies were busy trying to attack my base and my teammates did a good job of defending the base without causing too much damage to the tower laugh.gif

btw played with the biggest sore loser of all. it was a 3v3 (i was using sven tongue.gif) and one of my allies got disconnected very early in the game. so it turned into 2v3. we were badly pushed but then we pulled the same thing again where i pushed and my sand king ally defended smile.gif won the game and guess what they messaged us? "rematch. fong sui only this game" doh.gif

so we rematched and we kicked their butts again in a 4v4 game... and another game my ally was really arrogant ler. just cause we knock all 3 towers down he typed to everyone "this game we sure win adi. wanna remake?" doh.gif nobody answered him of coz. luckilly that game win only but i really wouldn't have mind losing tongue.gif

anyway sorry ah making this my rant thread adi. laugh.gif
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post Apr 20 2005, 04:31 AM

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no i do not see destorying of towers as as "sure win" myself but that's what my n00bish allies thought. i was rather pissed cause the way they played just totally showed how 101% noobish they were and yet they talk like they're some pro. i was really tempted to turn on my bkb and give them some serious spanking tongue.gif

i have played many games where we lost all of the outer towers and yet still manage to win the game in the end. was using techies and concentrated all out on defending and then using the cash to pump my allies smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2005, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(huh @ Apr 20 2005, 01:22 PM)
with bkb, you can't do any of those things to him
you can't purge nor do the quad finger
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not sure bout purge but i know finger goes through bkb cause finger is taken as physical damage smile.gif


QUOTE(xtr4 @ Apr 20 2005, 02:29 PM)
note: he has to go god's strength before bkb (if i recall correctly), thus enabling a 'chance' for the team to cast all their spells before either one being bolted
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bkb must be activated first before god's strength or MoM as avatar will cancel both effects if activated later. happened to me once doh.gif
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post Apr 20 2005, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(da3shou3 @ Apr 20 2005, 03:11 PM)
check out my naughty goblins @ work thread. whistling.gif

i'm da bomb maniac!!!!! brows.gif
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let's start a techies club. i wanna be the first to join! laugh.gif


QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 20 2005, 03:55 PM)
erm.....NOT necessarily, like that vincee said, Avatar Mode after God's strength cancels ALL active buffs on him, making him a practically inefficient slayer.
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wahahaha, never made the same mistake again. tongue.gif


QUOTE(tienhou18 @ Apr 20 2005, 05:19 PM)
finger and laguna blade go through bkb, but there's no damage, animation will be shown and your mana is used, but it deals no damage at all
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is it? thanks for the info. does the same go for sand king's epicenter? muahahaha... *puts on an evil grin* brows.gif
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post Apr 21 2005, 02:47 AM

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wasn't really a "techy" day for me. used techies in two games and lost both games doh.gif

used sven in 4 games and won all of them though whistling.gif laugh.gif i chopped up a full hp rhasta with 2 chops! laugh.gif

and yes, bash goes through avatar smile.gif
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post Apr 21 2005, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(Vampyr3 @ Apr 21 2005, 03:16 AM)
It's v6 and above.........coz i don't remember 5.84 having phantom lancer..........so i'm sure it has to be v6.0x
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yes definitely. i play 5.84c daily and there's no lancer for sure laugh.gif
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post Apr 21 2005, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Vampyr3 @ Apr 21 2005, 11:55 PM)
Wooo....sanjikun starting to lansi aledi! Wei, when u all are having a go at it, tell me oso coz i wan to c who win! Slardar better kick sven's ass coz i wan to c sanjikun's priceless look! Haha!  biggrin.gif
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sanji protecting his precious sven tongue.gif i wanna learn how to use slardar too! any sifu here wanna teach? laugh.gif

btw vampyr what happened to your "bouncy"? laugh.gif
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post Apr 22 2005, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(huh @ Apr 22 2005, 02:03 AM)
noob slardar here
but get blink, mask, basher and you should be owning
play bash and stomp and maybe one sprint for chasing heroes in the beginning (before blink dagger)
i guess thats it
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hmmm... like that means can use like the centaur eh?

but i not sure bout the skill choices only huh.gif
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post Apr 22 2005, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 22 2005, 02:12 AM)
i where got lansi? if there's a challenge sure i will accept it 1 ma.....
and you cant blame me oso - me worship sven like my father like that sweat.gif laugh.gif
btw, my item build for sladar is this:

1. MoM
2. Power Threads
3. Blink
4. Bashers X2
5. MKB

depending on the situation, i may sell blink dagger for a heart. when you have sprint it's not good to have blink anymore.
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skill choice leh?

item build is pretty much the same for most melee heroes ler. starting get what item ah? i suppose stock up on gauntlets would be good since u need it for the bashers too. smile.gif
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post Apr 23 2005, 02:08 AM

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i had fun today pwning ppl with clinkz using a desolator and bkb laugh.gif

the sight of an oversized clinkz shooting weird beams of light sent everyone running laugh.gif
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post Apr 23 2005, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Apr 23 2005, 02:24 AM)
bone with deso , my favourite... smile.gif
Can say GG to them liao (unless they more strong , even if so .. bone still can get some kill tongue.gif)
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once u complete the bkb it's even more hopeless for your enemies tongue.gif

they tried buying a gem but my teammates gangbanged the fella kao kao. laugh.gif i once saw a clinkz with bkb and desolator solo down the tree of life with the two towers still there doh.gif
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post Apr 23 2005, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 23 2005, 02:53 AM)
HARRRR?!
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yea my allies thought it was impossible too so they told me ignore the clinkz terus push. next thing i know i got the "you-have-been-defeated" message doh.gif
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post Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM

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sanji just will not accept the fact that sven can be defeated whistling.gif laugh.gif
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post Apr 27 2005, 02:19 PM

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actually if u read this long-ass guide over the dota forums, there's this post full of calculations and screenshots that proves that buying a reaver and a crystallys for sven fully utilizes god's strength better then going straight for a burize or a heart.
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post Apr 27 2005, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Apr 27 2005, 05:27 PM)
crystalys + reaver = cheap
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what do you mean cheap? it's a cheap tactic or the items are cheap in price? tongue.gif
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post May 22 2005, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 21 2005, 06:51 PM)
that sandking is a piece of shit. Only SK n00b takes travel boots.
that is made by a n00b using greedisgood. Useless kid.
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dude, there is absolutely nothing wrong with sk taking boots of travel. boots of travel only does not work when the sk learns dust trail. if you don't learn dust trail, the boots will work perfectly fine and as you can see from the screenshot, there's no "dust trail" icon on the status.

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