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iPhone 4 and iOS 4 V2, Discussion Thread
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Aug 25 2010, 12:35 PM
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hi i have a problem with my iphone 3gs aftr i updated to ios4 i having a problem of surfing the internet and getting my mail from the internet......i can use wifi to surf but not using 3g.... i reset the network already change sim card and even ask them to reset their network on their site and it still doesn't work....i can make calls and snd sms.. any ideas?
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xaw5126
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Aug 25 2010, 01:41 PM
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restart the phone, plug in to iTunes again. Do you get a "Carrier Settings update" message?
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baretta
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Aug 25 2010, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(yuvanesh @ Aug 25 2010, 12:09 PM) what you meant of yellow???? Mayne he refer to white balance. Apple will improve it. Dslr also sometime have a problem with WB. This can rectify on next firmware.
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giovanni
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Aug 25 2010, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Aug 25 2010, 06:17 AM) people pay alot of money for protons too, but they are also told not to expect much, even people who buy Droids seem to have red tints during video and image capture, they too pay alot of money for their phones, even the old nokia N93 has this problem. Basically you cannot expect much from any point and shoot styled cameras, want total control over your image use post processing tools to adjust your white balance or get a DSLR that gives you ultimate control over image quality and a good calibrated display. Now, you should not have compared Proton with Apple. It is like comparing Apple to a rotten orange. Not a very good analogy. You mentioned about people experiencing video discoloration using droid, how many of them out of all are experiencing this? For IP4, I have to say almost everyone is experiencing this white balance issue and some even worse, a total yellow tint for indoor photo capture. I owned so many other smartphones before N95, HTC HD and Samsung Omnia 2, I don't see such major WB issue in them at all. Everyone pays alot of money for this gizmo so please don't tell me not to expect much. If you care to read Apple Forum, you should know how many ppl are experiencing this problem. I expect to capture a picture and post it straightaway onto Facebook using my IP4 (not using a third party software to enhance my image only to post it again later). I only hope more people will feedback to Apple as suggested by the Apple technician and forumers in Apple support. I love this gadget and so I hope Apple will do something. This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 25 2010, 09:37 PM
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TSdvlzplayground
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Aug 25 2010, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 25 2010, 03:59 AM) Just for the record most if not all cameraphones dont have such issues. I have used some many of them and this is my first. We pay a lot of money for it and dont tell me not to expect much. After all didn't Steve Jobs make IP4's camera one of it's major selling points? even a dedicated DSLR, more expensive than an iphone also sometimes got that problem. most probably is just a white balance problem, easily fixed with a software update (if the problem is huge enough lah). or probably the location where u took the picture has too much different light sources it confuses the algorithm. can u replicate the yellowish skin tone n post a pic here?
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giovanni
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Aug 25 2010, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(keenie @ Aug 25 2010, 11:08 AM) Its major selling point is the retina display.  I said "one of its major selling points". If was advertised as "Never miss a photo opportunity" http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/features/camera.html. So that is one of it's selling points. Added on August 25, 2010, 4:03 pmQUOTE(baretta @ Aug 25 2010, 03:04 PM) Mayne he refer to white balance. Apple will improve it. Dslr also sometime have a problem with WB. This can rectify on next firmware. Yeah white balance problem bro. Jaundiced pic. Added on August 25, 2010, 4:04 pmQUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2010, 04:01 PM) even a dedicated DSLR, more expensive than an iphone also sometimes got that problem. most probably is just a white balance problem, easily fixed with a software update (if the problem is huge enough lah). or probably the location where u took the picture has too much different light sources it confuses the algorithm. can u replicate the yellowish skin tone n post a pic here? yeah bro I will post it later. The jaundiced pic Here are some of the examples...  skin hue under natural light. This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 25 2010, 04:04 PM Attached thumbnail(s)
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deodorant
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Aug 25 2010, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 25 2010, 04:37 PM) Here are some of the examples...  don't know how bad the problem is with iP4 cos mine only arriving this weekend, but white balance even on expensive dslr's will screw up in tricky lighting. you see this pic i attached, it's orange as heck, isn't it? DSLR shot. Attached image(s)
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echoesian
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Aug 25 2010, 04:48 PM
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This is a very normal white balance issue on every camera even the most expensive full frame DLSR also have this especially taking picture in dimmed environment. The most easiest solution is to apply correction during photo taking if the camera/phone that support this or correct it after taking photo (photoshop)
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Joey Christensen
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Aug 25 2010, 05:46 PM
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My Lord...The first picture attachment is horrendous. There's a blotched spot in the middle where the picture came out a little bluish as in a bruise that happened. The last picture looks fine to me. The first can be binned thou.
Since Apple users tend to be in their very own world, my comment on this matter will fall unto deaf ears, right?
Regards, Joey
This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Aug 25 2010, 05:47 PM
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Joey Christensen
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Aug 25 2010, 06:07 PM
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Could it be the Organofunctional Silane Z-6011 hasn't dry up?
Regards, Joey
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xaw5126
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Aug 25 2010, 06:11 PM
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its a combination problem... the camera is trying to use a tungsten light (yellow) ... instead, its becoming too yellow. i'm pretty sure it'll be accurate if you have a pure white 'anything' in the photo...
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echoesian
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Aug 25 2010, 06:40 PM
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White balance need to be compensated on some tricky lightning situation...
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nimrod323
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Aug 25 2010, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 25 2010, 04:00 PM) Now, you should not have compared Proton with Apple. It is like comparing Apple to a rotten orange. Not a very good analogy. You mentioned about people experiencing video discoloration using droid, how many of them out of all is experiencing this? For IP4, I have to say almost everyone is experiencing this white balance issue and some even worse, a total yellow tint for indoor photo capture. I owned so many other smartphones before N95, HTC HD and Samsung Omnia 2, I don't see such major WB issue in them at all. Everyone pays alot of money for this gizmo so please don't tell me not to expect much. If you care to read Apple Forum, you should know how many ppl are experiencing this problem. I expect to capture a picture and post it straightaway onto Facebook using my IP4 (not using a third party software to enhance my image only to post it again later). I only hope more people will feedback to Apple as suggested by the Apple technician and forumers in Apple support. I love this gadget and so I hope Apple will do something.  Before anything,lets see, did i compare apple with proton? I just said people spend 40-50K on a car but heck they cannot aspect BMW standard, its pretty much similar as saying you cannot aspect DSLR standard on a P&S camera, even DSLR also needs post-production to be perfect, ask any photographers out there how many of their shots in a photoshoot comes out crystal perfect without the need to go for post production or touch up? Look at the examples given at you, by now you would know white balance is an unavoidable issue even when it comes to video cameras, heck during a video shoot we have to hold a piece of white paper to calibrate the camera, theres only one thing in this world that does not need any white balance calibration, the human eye. You said almost everyone who owns an iPhone 4 has this issue, so out of 3 millions how many percentage including all those people at apple support that equates to at least 20%? any numerals to back up this allegation? heck even my DSLR at times need to be calibrated and set the kelvin, and honestly there wouldnt be any post production tool if cameras were perfect.
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benny888
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Aug 25 2010, 07:00 PM
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Gadget Freak
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 25 2010, 04:03 PM) I said "one of its major selling points". If was advertised as "Never miss a photo opportunity" http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/features/camera.html. So that is one of it's selling points. Added on August 25, 2010, 4:03 pmYeah white balance problem bro. Jaundiced pic. Added on August 25, 2010, 4:04 pmyeah bro I will post it later. The jaundiced pic Here are some of the examples...  skin hue under natural light.  Terrible quality - is it possible hardware defect ?? My HD2 and Nexus is many many times better compared with it, and I am not even happy with it. I am not a photographic expert, only know how to point and click but these photos are bad, really bad consider so much hype on the phone camera. No wonder you are dissapointed This post has been edited by benny888: Aug 25 2010, 07:02 PM
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TSdvlzplayground
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Aug 25 2010, 08:17 PM
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giovanni, try to take a photo similar to the 1st one (with the hand) in a room under white, fluorescent lighting. how does it look like?
im not ruling out the possibility of defect hardware here, but i think nimrod323 n myself know enough about photography n we do experience this problem even with DSLRs. any camera phones suffer from this. if u're saying yours didnt, it's likely because u never shot a pic under tricky lighting. simple as that.
before anyone says "oh look there's a fanboi denying any issues by apple", tell me why the pic under normal lighting looks ok and not yellowish?
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giovanni
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Aug 25 2010, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2010, 08:17 PM) giovanni, try to take a photo similar to the 1st one (with the hand) in a room under white, fluorescent lighting. how does it look like? im not ruling out the possibility of defect hardware here, but i think nimrod323 n myself know enough about photography n we do experience this problem even with DSLRs. any camera phones suffer from this. if u're saying yours didnt, it's likely because u never shot a pic under tricky lighting. simple as that. before anyone says "oh look there's a fanboi denying any issues by apple", tell me why the pic under normal lighting looks ok and not yellowish? Yes bro, that photo (of the hand) was taken in a room with pure white lighting. The second photo of the girl was taken in a room with mixture of white n tungsten yellow light (that's why it was worse than the first) This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 25 2010, 09:10 PM
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orangbulu
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Aug 25 2010, 08:57 PM
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when i take under fluorescent light, mine has blue tint instead of yellow
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giovanni
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Aug 25 2010, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Aug 25 2010, 06:59 PM) Before anything,lets see, did i compare apple with proton? I just said people spend 40-50K on a car but heck they cannot aspect BMW standard, its pretty much similar as saying you cannot aspect DSLR standard on a P&S camera, even DSLR also needs post-production to be perfect, ask any photographers out there how many of their shots in a photoshoot comes out crystal perfect without the need to go for post production or touch up? Look at the examples given at you, by now you would know white balance is an unavoidable issue even when it comes to video cameras, heck during a video shoot we have to hold a piece of white paper to calibrate the camera, theres only one thing in this world that does not need any white balance calibration, the human eye. You said almost everyone who owns an iPhone 4 has this issue, so out of 3 millions how many percentage including all those people at apple support that equates to at least 20%? any numerals to back up this allegation? heck even my DSLR at times need to be calibrated and set the kelvin, and honestly there wouldnt be any post production tool if cameras were perfect.  If you think the photos I posted had nothing wrong then I rest my case.  Added on August 25, 2010, 9:01 pmQUOTE(orangbulu @ Aug 25 2010, 08:57 PM) when i take under fluorescent light, mine has blue tint instead of yellow Yeah some ppl have that issue as well and some users reported on yellow/green discoloration as well. Apparently mine isn't the worst because there are some users who posted pictures which are completely yellow when taken indoor. This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 25 2010, 09:01 PM
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nimrod323
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Aug 25 2010, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 25 2010, 08:58 PM) If you think the photos I posted had nothing wrong then I rest my case.  did i indicate that in any of my postings, again i have constantly said to you its a white balance issue which is available across the board either a full frame DSLR or a normal P&S, this could only be solved either by A: adjusting the kelvin on DSLR only, or of course the almost perfect solution is to use PS,Lightroom and Aperture, anything that tickles your fancy. Again look at the shots presented to you taken by a DSLR by deodarant. This post has been edited by nimrod323: Aug 25 2010, 09:04 PM
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giovanni
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Aug 25 2010, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Aug 25 2010, 06:07 PM) Could it be the Organofunctional Silane Z-6011 hasn't dry up? Regards, Joey I doubt it is one of the wet adhesive problem  Added on August 25, 2010, 9:18 pmQUOTE(nimrod323 @ Aug 25 2010, 09:03 PM) did i indicate that in any of my postings, again i have constantly said to you its a white balance issue which is available across the board either a full frame DSLR or a normal P&S, this could only be solved either by A: adjusting the kelvin on DSLR only, or of course the almost perfect solution is to use PS,Lightroom and Aperture, anything that tickles your fancy. Again look at the shots presented to you taken by a DSLR by deodarant. Yes I do know it is a white balance issue and that was what I said from the start ( if you care to go back to my first post on this issue). I am merely giving my suggestion that we should all give our feedbacks to Apple and that what wat I was told to do by Apple technician at the store here in UK. And the white balance issue is quite a serious one (if you notice the white basin wasn't even white and the pic was taken under pure white lighting) since my other cameraphones can take better picture that this. I think the picture posted by deodorant was taken under yellow lighting and that is the difference. Mine was under white lighting and it appears with a yellow tint. Show me a DSLR that takes such photo and I can safely bin it for you. Do you think I want to bash my own gadget? After spending so much money on it, of course I would like to boast it to anyone about my new found joy. This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 25 2010, 09:22 PM
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