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post Jun 22 2010, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(Friend1 @ Jun 22 2010, 10:32 PM)
I just get 3Gs  from maxis. is it the warranty will void if upgrading the iso4?
Anyone from Maxis can explain the warranty issue?
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who told you if it voids warranty? simple explanation: apple makes iphone and apple makes ios4, so how does it void warranty?
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post Jun 26 2010, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(objectifyme @ Jun 26 2010, 01:08 PM)
Why is it that the iPhone 3GS connected with no problems whatsoever? Even with the 2 emergency units used, the iPhone 3GS had no problems while the iPhone 4 couldn't even connect!

Just look up the antenna problems and you would see how my previous post makes sense.

Edit: Even if it is not a problem with the antenna (which most likely it is), that demo clearly shows that the iPhone 3GS is superior to the iPhone 4 in connectivity.
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ah dude if you check before you type the 3GS uses a different broadcomm chip then iphone 4 for wifi, the 3GS is up to G only while the iPhone 4 is up too N,and also to be fair the iphone 3GS was having issues as well(took time to load as opposed to seamless loading speed)
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post Jun 26 2010, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(objectifyme @ Jun 26 2010, 03:05 PM)
As far as I know, as long as the device (regardless of whether it runs wireless N or G) is connected to the same network, there shouldn't be any connectivity problems. For example, if both wireless N and wireless G are connecting to a 5 mbps connection over wi-fi, both would connect the same way except that N would have a higher speed cap and better range. I don't believe that all N wireless cards would connect through a N portal and all G cards would connect through a G portal. The only thing N gives, in my opinion, is superior speed cap and signal (due to the larger range it covers.).

If I am wrong please correct me with some sources. This is just from my own understanding. I have not done any research.
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look buddy we are not talking about congestion in a similar connection, its basically issues with overload bandwith, because there were 500++ personal mifi devices emitting either N or G wireless signals at the same time in a packed room it has nothing to do with connection speed,

This should explain the predicament better
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post Jun 27 2010, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(vexus @ Jun 27 2010, 09:25 AM)
more and more bad news about iphone4

1) breakable glass
2) reception issue
3) yellow tint residue in touch screen
4) reception issue
5) voice transmission issue
6) upside down volume side button

apple QC really bad. i think foxxcon is one of the reason.
1) work like slave, pay cheap & restless result poor quality product.
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1) Which phone if drop from a certain distance wont break? Now dont say 3310, to be fair let me know if any 3.5inch screen phone can face this abuse or not.
2) Again this is subjected to a few people and could also be an At&T issues also.
3) Its a bonding agent that has yet to dry, after a few days it should resolve itself.
4) Why are you repeating your question?
5) Isnt this the same with 2 and 4?
6) Well at the rate of production, often millions in a month, its just human error, blame the chinese workers for their lack of concentration, this could also be due to family problems or any other issue.

Apple QC really bad? cmon been using apple products for many years already, you should see my ipods they still run well with all that abuse, QC really bad is synonymous to Acer not Apple. Again SONY, HP, ACER and (insert any other computer manufacturers) use Foxconn's facility so who's fault is it to remunerate the workers? Apple alone? Even Nike and Adidas treat the chinese workers the same way and insert (any other company in the world) who keep the cost down for us consumers by keeping all their manufacturing process in china, you want it to be American? it wont be cheap no doubt. AT least Apple is soliciting 1 to 2% of its profits of the iPad to remunerate the workers.
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post Jun 27 2010, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jun 27 2010, 01:36 PM)
Yeah most of the issues would be resolved especially the yellow discoloration on display. However, I doubt the external antenna thing would be resolved so quickly. Everytime you change it, you will have to resubmit FCC tests and I don't think they have that much time. Probably some tweaking...
By the way, quality issues and design issues including process issues are entire different things. If done wrong, the consumers get it too and equally damaging to the company. Apple does have one two cases of virus laden iPods hehehehe... No company can be perfect especially when you are speeding your products into the market. Don't tell me apple is a God chosen company or it is special. Hehehehe

This is similar to Ford and Firestone case study. The tyre causes accident so who should we blame? Ford blame the tyre company but the consumer blamed Ford. We don't care who manufactures the Apple products either.
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i didnt imply that david, i was also reiterating that point in one of these points:

Well at the rate of production, often millions in a month, its just human error, blame the chinese workers for their lack of concentration, this could also be due to family problems or any other issue.


Surely apple isnt perfect but to come out with a blanket statement to call their QC bad outright isnt justified, again as consumers, you still could exercise your right in seeking compensation in terms of warranty claims when it comes to defective parts and all, rushing production with huge amounts of demands would incur flaws, but again we are talking about Apple, even the smallest slip up the media would harp on it, so there is that and for a phone which has yet to release in Malaysia we could only go by experience of those in other countries, and not to get first revision of everything still applies even if its a beemer tongue.gif, you better wait for latter batches, which we malaysians would, so the waiting time isnt all abd i guess.

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post Jun 27 2010, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(mONSTers @ Jun 27 2010, 03:05 PM)
As of time of writting this, NO ONE is able to proof that the bonding residue will dissolve itself after a couple of days, except a statement from apple. We shall see before making any conclusion. Until then it remains as an issue.
I'm agree that apple QC is good for other products (well i dont own any), but I do own iPhone 3G and 3GS. Personal experiences tell me that their iPhone QC is bad from generation to generation.
This is a lame excuse to the known human errors during production.
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you sure about that? so what about these people here? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=948561 they are reporting that the issue is residing or have disappeared.
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post Jun 27 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(mONSTers @ Jun 27 2010, 03:20 PM)
my bad for missed that out. well still waiting more users to rectify it.
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and also whether or not it is really the bonding agent residue or could be defective lcds, as it seems some users are saying that their phones might get exchanged by apple.
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post Jun 27 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jun 27 2010, 04:24 PM)
Hey nimrod, our discussion seem to have gave a large spark for others hehehe... no worries. We should approach the subject positively.

While I agree with you that it could be human error because I work in a manufacturing industry and this is nothing new. However, I can provide reasonable insight that the display discoloration is due to a very tricky process. I'm sure everyone has read about Engadget's article by now. It is due to industrial adhesives applied between the display substrate to the glass components. These adhesives are 'colored' and when properly cured would give the indication to workers that it is ready to move on to the next step. However, it is not always smooth going as there are bound to be times where it need more curing time or too much adhesive has been applied.

You will see this problem affecting larger IPS displays. I'm not even sure if the iMac 27" has this problem because the entire display area is 'yellow'. Maybe but I'm not sure. Anyway, we don't see this problem on LCD IPS TVs though or maybe they use a different adhesive or a different manufacturing process is used.

While I have no intention to pick on Apple as a whole but the most influential marketing companies would be expert in 'keeping issues stay within their grounds'. This control allows a company all the 'right' information to be fed to consumers. I'm not surprised if Apple has manufacturing issues because it is common. It is just the way how they handle issues that make consumers pleased.

By the way just to share with everyone, the most influential and experienced marketing company is Nike. Cheers.
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haha true that, regarding the imac 27, its true that the whole lcd turns yellowish and at times have condensation issues, but the newer batches seem to not have this issues or maybe related to the first run batch of models. Yep agree with your gate-keeping statement regarding the right info being fed to consumers, this is external PR playing its part to mitigate damage. cheers bro
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post Jun 27 2010, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(objectifyme @ Jun 27 2010, 07:14 PM)
There goes my dream of running around with a naked iPhone. cry.gif

Can any iPhone 4 owners clarify?
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didnt the old iphone 3GS back scratch easily as well? any phone will scratch lah bro anyways my solution is simple, powersupport for front and back + bumpers,enuff d
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post Jun 29 2010, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(benny888 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:13 AM)
http://gizmodo.com/5573952/iphone-4-review?skyline=true&s=i

Read above review, is interesting and different from the usual approach.
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they are still bitter because of teh impending lawsuit and also criminal proceeding against them for the iphone 4 prototype leak not too long ago and also being banned from any apple related events for the foreseeable future
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post Jun 29 2010, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(aleluya @ Jun 29 2010, 04:59 PM)
They might be bitter but still his review is pretty much being neutral with pros and cons of the new iPhone 4.

It seems to me he did a good job without prejudice on it.
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if you read between the lines you can see how hate is interlaced, i find the NYT and those credible journalism riden sites as being unbiased with their reviews and also first hand experience by forummers here like bro String and Beavis, we call gizmodo coverage in journalism as framing theory as in you can skew a news story to border line sensationalism to perpetuate your ideology.
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post Jun 29 2010, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 29 2010, 06:41 PM)
Yes, my Mac was delivered from Spore
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The Malaysian Apple online Store ware house is in Singapore which is also shared with the SG Online store.
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post Jun 29 2010, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(Shoki @ Jun 29 2010, 09:00 PM)
Hopefully Malaysian Apple Store will sell iP4 (since SG is doing so)and warranty will be covered by Apple directly(not Maxis/Digi).
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well i do hope this could happen but as of now its only MAxis or Digi whom are responsible for service, apple hasnt designated any of the service centers to handle iphone service. Though thinki about it buying directly from apple you wouldnt enjoy the free 500MB 3G service given by Maxis under their prepaid plan, this doesnt matter if you plan to use with other telcos.

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post Jul 1 2010, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jul 1 2010, 09:53 AM)
I believe it's easier/cheaper for us to buy 4G from Singapore next month when they launch isn't it?
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and i assume its cheaper/easier for you to go back if the unit is defective or in need of warranty claims? we have yet to know the pricing so its moot point to says its cheaper compared to the Malaysian market right?
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post Jul 1 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 1 2010, 03:44 PM)
hahaha... u come into apple iphone thread... what do u expect? andriod fanboy?
aiyseh... this sort of calling need to stop....

i think there's a thread about android and stuff here at mobile section no? oh and i still think meebo kick the living hell out of andriod in terms of multitasking.....
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its best to ignore the troll, his post has been deleted. healthy debate and comparisons are okay but outright biased claims are not welcomed.
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QUOTE(PeeEl @ Jul 1 2010, 06:12 PM)
@clawhammer
It's not 4G(i4G) but iPhone4(i4)

@nimrod
I agree with your latter statement but though it may be troublesome to send the unit back to Singapore for any warranty claim, I assure you it would be very much less hassle as they would exchange your unit in no time, if not on the spot, compared to the telcos here where some are known to have waited for 2 months. That is the trade off.
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yeah that is kinda true considering the amount of buyers here and there the lesser load in demand over there makes claiming easier, i think the problem for maxis is because of those customers who skipped their iphone 3G offering and waited for the 3GS instead.
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QUOTE(cynical66 @ Jul 1 2010, 08:53 PM)
people do hav choice to like which phone they wish, after all, its their money to spend at, not yours...

we like iphone, hav problems & try to solve it here..u prefer android, go back to android site...

needless to advertise android phone by flaming here, unless u r working with android company, but still u are not welcome this thread if your intention is to create flames..
ANYONE REALLY KNOWS WHERE CAN I GET iPHONE 4 UNLOCKED EVEN IF ITS MORE EXPENSIVE? NEED TO BUY FEW FOR MY HONG KONG FRIENDS..THANKS
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you owe him an apology, he was replying rheza_02 who was the android PR Exec, read his words carefully. and for the record Hong Kong has yet to receive the iphone
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post Jul 2 2010, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(esca_flo @ Jul 2 2010, 07:32 PM)
someone should make a virtual home button apps ,  if its not out there yet. 
physical home button taking a beating quite a lot since the iOS4 update.

btw my friend is in the state on a trip for a month,  RM 1946 for no contract iphone 4.
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you do realize that without contract =/= unlock right?
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post Jul 9 2010, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(iceggy @ Jul 9 2010, 12:50 AM)
Hey.. Please provide more information on this... I am currently in US... I have ask a few places and they all said that all the iphone 4 is lock to AT&T...
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dude there is no way to get an unlocked set in the US, he was probably misinformed, fact of teh matter is he even said Apple factory in the US when there was never any, even if they do sell unlocked units its probably imported from the UK or France.
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post Jul 11 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(angah_krl @ Jul 11 2010, 04:57 AM)
for those who already bought the iphone 4,can you do the test on your iphone 4 like in the video below?then share with us..

http://youtu.be/tNmXrVNeGzs
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i guess you never read, just a few pages back, stringfellow,yuvanesh,beavis have relayed their experiences regarding the reception issue
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