Not just my own opinion but the ugly side of all human being when challenged by unjust, I got this conclusion when I read the history of endless religious war and ethnic cleansing. I must indicate a religion when I open a saving account and they don't recognize "others" so I pick Buddhist because it never confront others or claim to be the only god, no war, just Karma as mental punishment.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Oct 7 2011, 04:31 PM

Yes. The poster was terrified.

I was questioning, whether it was poor association or not? Eg. say somebodies name, then you hear thunder. Taking it as a bad omen, when it could simply be a coincidence.

Just thought about recently. What if there was no such thing as a "bad" action?

I keep going back to the minds of 'evil' people like Hitler thinking, if he was born in a different place on Earth, or brought up in a different society, is it possible then, that Hitler will not turn out to be the Hler that we know?

OK, so what determines where a person grows up/ends up spending their early lives in? Karma - - since you have been doing good, you are placed in a good place. But how is this possible?

You see, if a person has done something wrong and "deserves" a bad return action (Karma), how is it that this person knows he has done something wrong when he/she knows it is NOT a wrong action?

You grow up in a bad society, you did not choose to be there.
You make wrong friends, you did not have a choice of 'good' friends.
You make wrong decisions, you are not be at fault since we choose to believe in what we want.
You do bad things, you are not at fault since you clearly know you did a 'good' thing.

Ever done something bad and then... feel so sorry for that person / felt it sholud not be done? You apologize, say sorry, etc. etc.?

Well, that's it. There is NO such thing as a BAD person. Or BAD action. Or doing BAD things. Because there never has been.

The things you do are simply because of how your mind has altered your life since the early days of development.

Imagine if Bill Gates grew up in a poor African region. Or Donald Trump was born and lives in Thailand. Same person, perhaps different names, but will they turn out to be the way they are today? Some might say the universe has a way of course correcting and will eventually lead them to being who they actually are today. But what if it is not the case? Things are set to be moving based on where you are placed on Earth.

I read about Saddam's childhood and what a heartbreaking story. He was beaten up by his step uncle, he only wore shoes for the first time at the age of 9 and was thrown all over society until he decided to "join the evil side". He found glory there. He decided he would not live under the judgement of a person, and decides to (in our eyes) invest in doing evil things. In the back of his mind, probably the good side had been surpressed so much that he sees what he is doing as always a good thing. So what happened if Saddam was born in the US to a wealthy family? Would he have risen to power and be a dictator like he was?

In conclusion, there is a chance no one has ever comitted any wrong doings. No has has and no one will. When one sees the act as "bad" or "evil", it is simply because of how that person has decided to act based on his past. Even the simplest of things in life (e.g something cutting a long line, talking loudly in a quiet place etc.) are simply because of their past.

...and remember, every single person on this planet is not born evil. We are all born as a blank slate -> The true testament that no evil ever existed in us all (whether current killers, murderers, etc.) at one time in our lives.

So does that mean as long as the person outweighs his bad deeds with good ones, "karma" will simply deemed his "bad deeds" as excusable?

Or, a more appropriate question will be, why is that bad deeds are always much more severe than good ones?

True, consequences may trigger separately in accordance to good and bad karma, but isn't it already a bad karma for a person to rest upon the relieve that he'll always be "okay" about it as long as he manages to top up some good deeds in compensate his bad ones?

For example: I stole something. And then I contemplate: "Hey wait, it's that bad karma? Oh wait, no worries. All I gotta do is to get some good karma, and all will be fine." AND SO I CONTINUED STEALING.

Now, I don't know about you, but that thinking is already a "bad karma". Karma may have consequences SEPARATELY for good and bad deeds as you put it, but to actually accept karma as a teaching? I personally think it will put us into that position where we can choose to justify our bad deeds with the good ones, and even if that's possible, I seriously think we're in a big deal of bad karma, which ultimately means that if you believe in karma, only bad things can happen to you, LOL.

Yeah, but that will put ourselves in the very position I described in my post.

But do you see the FLAW of believing in a thing called KARMA?

That's only because you think Karma only takes effect when an action takes place.

But the reality is, the action is already IN THE MIND, hence, if karma exists, then may people will have a whole lot more bad karma compared to having good ones.

Exactly!

Two rights does not necessarily cancel a wrong because the assumption that the wrong can be rectified mathematically by doing more good, hence two rights for a wrong, in its essence, is WRONG, because it does not necessarily constitute the remorse for the action, instead it encourages one to be less remorseful of a wrongdoing just because he knew he can cover it with two more rights. You know, like 2 really good excuses for a fault.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 13 2011, 01:58 PM

Reincarnation is already proven by some western scientist\doctors.
Just that it is not a popular subject in the west that is why not many books were publish scientifically
(partly due to christian faith in the west)

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Added on November 29, 2011, 10:36 pmI put it to you.

As a child ( just says 5 yo ) , you kill a bird.
When you grow up to 21 yo ,you have absolutely no conscious of what you did.
Does it meant you do not have to paid for it even if KARMA do really exist ??



TQ

This post has been edited by rainmankl: Nov 29 2011, 10:36 PM

Karma is the same as What you Give is What You Get right?

It seems that, in the long perspective of history the issues and beliefs, Karma is related to Buddhism Lexicon, and other Indian religions as well. Although I'm not sure from where you've got that concept of Karma, but if it's true, do you think it is possible for a man to gain the whole world and yet lose his soul? However, I’m sure you have some good reasons to put forth such concept. If you have been believing in Karma, how has Karma changed you then? And if not, in what similar ways do your religious beliefs impact the way you live your life to do Good and avoid Evil?

Nevertheless, I'm sure you're as good as studilicious sounds, because you want to help students and lifelong learners to become more than they have ever been before. And that alone is a great repository of virtue and deed in your well-being.

during my bible reading today, this verse might be useful for karma discussion.

1 Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, as foreigners here in reverent fear.

the sentence indirectly points to a man's destiny to be judged (or karma system, assuming nobody is judging you and there's an automatic calculator for your karma).

Hope it helps. will drop by thread sometimes.

Karma is of Hinduism, suffering the consequences of bad actions and rebirth in accordance with actions of the past life.
Every religion has examples of "As you sow so shall you reap"... the effect of your actions.
In Islam, Al-Hadith:
"All actions depend upon its intention." (Bukhari & Muslim)
Islam Qismat, Muslims exercise own intellectual freedom and will power.
For whatever good done - rewarded to that extent.
And whatever evil done - will have to pay for it.
Pure Islamic character expressed in all acts, deeds, and habits are the important elements which constitute positive blessed living and the rewards of the hereafter, the pleasure of Jannat.

"Those" in my statement refered to occurance, not people.

But anyway, what I meant is that for those that you saw was true, we have failed to compare that which did not come true.

Therefore we cannot use that which came true as proof.

It is like a temple with a so called turtle that could give out lucky numbers.

On the notice board it proudly shows that almost every month someone would have struct 4D from swiping their numbers on the poor turtle.

What they did not show is the number of people that came praying every month, and the mountain of numbers that did not come true.

So considering the odds, is getting 1 or 2 numbers right every few months, considered a miracle?
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likewise, when it comes to karma, we can't look at cases where they apply as proof that it works, because we do know that there are many cases where karma do not work, but then we are told that it "should" happen in our next life, which we are unable to verify.

The worst is when bad luck struck, people who believe so much in Karma will condemn their previous life or when someone suffer a great deal deserve it because Karma at work. So we can count how much bad luck compare to the good one and summarize how our previous life behave.

Karma sustain in this age of reasoning is because "bad luck" or just misfortune is a sure in life.
In a period of decades in our lifetime, I can guarantee a misfortune will occur, and only it's severity depends on our mental perception. Therefore, when you have an unclear conscience, such as knowingly commited acts you know and believe is wrong in your conscience, you will look upon the misfortune as some payment of that wrong doing.
Since wrong doings are infinite, and misfortunes are constantly appearing, people try to find the relationship between those.
Btw, I am both amazed and axiomatically agreed to the post above that depicts 'evil' as merely mental perception. Great minds do think alike.

if karma really exist & it's a system used by god, it's a hugely flawed system.

Trying doing good deeds by giving things away at your own pace. Your karma will change to better. And you feel good doing good stuffs.

While we know that everything has a cause. We have no way to proof that ones action now and the events that occur later, have any moral relationship.

Believe me, I have seen karma at work myself, how my actions were rewarded. And I do agree that suffering arises from craving. But I can't honestly say that karma is proven.

Well, a life time is about 65 years and one had to be near the end to accept if Karma determine their fate as in too late to salvage or all efforts wasted. I can't be certain if there are no extra dimension interference because I have experienced bizarre encounters, not ghost but visions. If it happens to a superstitious person, you can say its the mind playing tricks but happen to a non believer and scientific knowledge based person.

My bad luck in the past 23 years make me feel like cursing and I was offered helping hands every time I needed it. I would not say it is karma or destined but somewhat orchestrated.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Jan 30 2012, 08:30 PM

karma do exist . its a cycle of life . no matter how and when . it will get back to us . just the matter of time .

i hate fridays. its always my unlucky day. i got into my 1st accident on a friday

Karma is the only constant. Most people don't want that to be so, so they find religion in hopes that if they pray enough they will be absolved. Those who don't believe in anything don't believe in retribution, reasoning that this life is all there is, boy will they be surprised.

Others believed that meditation and self-enlightenment will be tickets to higher hunting grounds. They too will be rudely awakened when they fall of this stage. Humility, frowned upon here in 3d land, is the key most overlooked by the "enlightened", and most everyone else.

Haha... I heard people say like that long long time ago and I still doubt what it is, I like the idea of it and have seen quite a few people deserve what they get despite all the good deed they do at the temple. I have also seen decent people deserve good luck and peace of mind, then I feel sad if something is controlling our fate like we are puppet.