Although I live on science, I can't say for sure there is karma, not from religion point of view but the course of life. I have lived long enough to see people get what they deserve within the same lifetime and I felt a sense of relief that justice is done, you know, stupid people suffers the consequences of their silly act that caused others to lose something.

There are quit a few examples and one is my ex father in law who die of cancer, my friends who say he made more money than me in an argument are job hoping and in misery, those who think they deserve better are now worried of retrenchment and more. I have been enjoying the show in recent years, sorry to say it out loud and a reminder to these people here and warning to those who speak with EGO.

You mean Karma need to change to: do good receive good and bad will receive bad in the same lifetime? Why people still stick to the old then?

Old as ancient believe since karma / god is created, does people in the past dare not to believe? I wonder if they are stoned to death but now we can choose not to believe and nothing bad will happen. It only make sense if it happen within the lifetime, that is why we have law, only decent people afraid of Karma, criminals don't and karma punish even the innocent, only god knows, primitive rules are created for primitive people.

I can accept all possibilities and have my explanation about life in a timeline, to me it is a game and the name is "descendant". we are the game characters and being lead to build or destroy, so the reincarnation of previous life affect us to continue our role, the ultimate goal is to entertain the creator / creators.

We can live without a purpose and like to hear and see things that created music & dramas as entertainment, we develop and consume which is never ending because the end would be game over. I think we have a long way to go and the Universe is the game console, we record our time (memories) into a medium from negative film to digital but it only capture and store moments of time.

The Universe could be the medium that store dimensional time and layers of it sometimes, imagine we are tied to a balloon that carries all the memories / game assets of our past lives that influence our luck. That is my version of karma / reincarnation or destiny, how did human invent such a thing? Maybe it exist and we need creativity to describe it since we are not suppose to know.

Our brain never stop working like the heart, but why do we need to dream instead of shutdown? Sleep is to rest the body parts but not the brain, it just retreat to itself and create an artificial realm we call dream but it feels as real as in reality until we reconnect to the physical senses. It is in this realm that Prophet Mohammad became the messenger and meet god / the creator.

Seems like we receive our game instruction from dream and we are not suppose to remember it, so we are tricked by ridiculous concoction of fantasies to prevent us from remembering but we are influenced to carry out the action, hey, stop dreaming, its time to wake up and go to work! Damn.

I could not find the reason to believe, hence a non believer because it always lead to questions that cannot be answer and only the creator know, pray when insecure, desperate, sick... Do bad things will cause your next life to suffer is to caution the unscrupulous mind.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 19 2011, 01:12 PM

So it will only work if you believe because all in the head, can't help to wonder what my previous life did that made me a non believer.

You see what happen when religion are being twisted? Even believer don't bother about Karma.

Har? Like that might as well say Karma is luck, I have not read anything interesting, nothing unexpected, all abide to the same story line, boring lah.

We are not asking for proof nor disprove a story, just a story and meant to play out in such a way. If you choose to believe, you practice it and treat it as guide, meaning play the game according to the rules. If not, you make your own assumption and often interpreted by believer as god's will too, meaning whatever behavior is pre-determined, end of the story.

Not very interesting to me, that is why I don't believe and open for more assumptions because I wonder whats the living cycle about and if I refuse to play, what would happen when I die. If I am destined to be who I am, then not my problem loh, if a person become a criminal also meant to be and as well as a victim of crime and unjust.

After the movie Matrix, it strengthen my will as non believer. In my daily conduct, I think beyond restriction than in the context of religion, we are already being restricted by so many things, at least my mind is free.

Who cares, take it seriously if you did wrong, since you don't know what you did in your previous life, you may suffer later and if it happen, please come tell us.

If that happen to you, why should you suffer? Like receive punishment you don't even know what you did wrong is fair? 认命 is just luck than curse your previous self or just a way to console yourself.

Jumping off cliff is exactly what I will do being a non believer because nothing is more superior than the choice we made, why should I endure physical and mental suffering if I can choose to end it? People die everyday in road accident / hunger / illness anyway, console oneself is merely fooling oneself and for the believe, so if my next life will suffer if I kill myself, not my problem loh because my previous life did that to me otherwise I don't have to do it.

So all the crime is to remind us to appreciate life, if your family member become a victim, you'll be terrified and wish for deliverance and closure. If so I wonder why rage can turn into holly war.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Oct 6 2011, 10:05 AM

Not just my own opinion but the ugly side of all human being when challenged by unjust, I got this conclusion when I read the history of endless religious war and ethnic cleansing. I must indicate a religion when I open a saving account and they don't recognize "others" so I pick Buddhist because it never confront others or claim to be the only god, no war, just Karma as mental punishment.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Oct 7 2011, 04:31 PM

The worst is when bad luck struck, people who believe so much in Karma will condemn their previous life or when someone suffer a great deal deserve it because Karma at work. So we can count how much bad luck compare to the good one and summarize how our previous life behave.

Well, a life time is about 65 years and one had to be near the end to accept if Karma determine their fate as in too late to salvage or all efforts wasted. I can't be certain if there are no extra dimension interference because I have experienced bizarre encounters, not ghost but visions. If it happens to a superstitious person, you can say its the mind playing tricks but happen to a non believer and scientific knowledge based person.

My bad luck in the past 23 years make me feel like cursing and I was offered helping hands every time I needed it. I would not say it is karma or destined but somewhat orchestrated.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Jan 30 2012, 08:30 PM

Haha... I heard people say like that long long time ago and I still doubt what it is, I like the idea of it and have seen quite a few people deserve what they get despite all the good deed they do at the temple. I have also seen decent people deserve good luck and peace of mind, then I feel sad if something is controlling our fate like we are puppet.

Since intelligence is unique to human only, it is intriguing and I can't help but to assume there is more to it than we thought we know. If I am not mistaken, only Buddhist believe in Karma and notice there are no claim of a single god created human nor started any war or still fighting it.

So many people are killed in war, so is pay the price? Traffic accident fidelity is high in this country and its largely due to attitude than Karma since it happen to all with or without religion.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Mar 27 2012, 10:57 PM

Who can utilize Karma? Did you mean curse? Show us the example since you believe or think so.

If you don't know karma exist or how it works, then how do you know there are people who do and use it to their advantage?

People will eventually find a solution to a problem but karma is not a problem and no way to measure good and bad deeds, by the time people understand what it is or if it exist, we also found god or our creator. So, no one can utilize karma to their advantage, only assume it does by doing good and you are saying they are selfish just because they hope to gain good karma for their presumed next life.

My boss did that and he help people, my ex father in law did that too but he died of cancer. Don't know if their next life will make any different since no way to track their soul anyway.