Bad is not meant to happen. Bad happens because we lit the fuse somewhere up the line. Happenings/payback is not instantaneous, they sit and wait and plot, sometimes for weeks, years, and then they come out of nowhere like a brick from the sky. And we ask why did this happen to me? I'm a good person, help old ladies cross the street and such things. Go to church every Sunday, or Saturday, or pray toward Mecca five times a day, what more can they expect?

No one expects anything from us. It is we who should expect better from us. And that's no coincidence, or free will conundrum. It's simple basic good natured stuff. Semantics, jargon or reason will not change that.

This post has been edited by transhumanist92: Mar 15 2012, 12:15 AM

I do believe in karma
Maybe partly because of my religion

Since intelligence is unique to human only, it is intriguing and I can't help but to assume there is more to it than we thought we know. If I am not mistaken, only Buddhist believe in Karma and notice there are no claim of a single god created human nor started any war or still fighting it.

So many people are killed in war, so is pay the price? Traffic accident fidelity is high in this country and its largely due to attitude than Karma since it happen to all with or without religion.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Mar 27 2012, 10:57 PM

If Karma is indeed real, then those who utilize Karma to their advantage are already inheriting bad karma due to their selfishness. Hence, a self-defeating system.

Who can utilize Karma? Did you mean curse? Show us the example since you believe or think so.

Wouldn't those who has the knowledge and understanding of how karma works will use it towards their favour?

Not a curse.

If you don't know karma exist or how it works, then how do you know there are people who do and use it to their advantage?

Because like everything else in the universe, people will eventually study and learn about things, and then eventually understand them?

(1) If you see two people talking and one feels confused, he's the other one, ... most likely.

(2) If the explanation is supposed to clarify the opinion, or at least provide reasoning in support of accepting the opinion, the explanation cannot presume the opinion. One can’t assume to be true what one is trying to clarify to be true. If one does, then one won’t have clarified anything!

(3) Naturally, for some readers, of course, are not so naive as to be unaware that there is something dubious about the whole explanation. The most obvious way to explain in circular, is to simply restate the opinion in slightly different words or in slightly “colorful” ways.

(4) We often make this mistake when we don’t pay careful attention to our assumptions, since the circularity is often in the assumptions. However, he most probably wasn't himself yesterday, as he used to be thinking critically about profound ideas, though mostly were in the form of provocative questions.

Lol. It's common sense.

There are people out there who indeed understand how Karma works, or at least understand the basic framework of what karma is, mainly around the general quote of: "What goes around, comes around", i.e. a system where the amount good and bad karma are placed on a scale to determine if one has a positive or negative karma. If the individual outweighs his/her good deeds with the bad ones, hence negative karma, and vice versa.

The point I was making about those who would use karma to their advantage is how certain people has decided to "COLLECT" good deeds...in a quest to obtain more positive, good karma than the negative ones. What I fear for them is that although they may be assuming that they are doing something right, you have to agree that subconsciously, it is actually all a "means to an end", so that they may feel good about themselves. You may think this is alright, but there are those who perceived this sort of endeavour by those who are "good-karma-junkies", as simply SELFISH, and if karma is indeed working perfectly as a system, that very same selfish behaviour is indeed, actually BAD KARMA, which ultimately means those who embarked on a journey to "collect" good karma has basically the most negative karma amongst everyone else, and those who learn it, follow its system religiously, are bound to fail in preventing themselves from accumulating negative karma, due to how the system works.

But then again, of course I can wrong about this. If anyone can enlighten me that karma isn't just a mathematical system that measures the amount of good and bad deeds on a scale to be judgemental towards an individual's character, please kindly do so.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Apr 12 2012, 08:11 AM

People will eventually find a solution to a problem but karma is not a problem and no way to measure good and bad deeds, by the time people understand what it is or if it exist, we also found god or our creator. So, no one can utilize karma to their advantage, only assume it does by doing good and you are saying they are selfish just because they hope to gain good karma for their presumed next life.

My boss did that and he help people, my ex father in law did that too but he died of cancer. Don't know if their next life will make any different since no way to track their soul anyway.

It all sounds so good and it would explain a lot. But don't confuse possibility with plausibility. Yes, sometimes there is pseudoscience, like Ghost hunters often utilize a variety of electronic equipment, e.g. EMF meter, thermometer, video camera, audio recorder to collect evidence claimed to be supportive of paranormal activity explanations. But an interesting explanation is at most a good reason to investigate whether its claims are true. In a nutshell, we need valid evidence or strong reasoning, not just a theory, before we should believe.

(1) I met a Buddhist Monk yesterday when having vegetarian lunch, and I told him about Deadlock’s Karma theory. The monk can't let it pass and he has a different theory to offer Deadlock. Imagine for a moment that this “karma-thing” is not anything that can be identified because “it” prefers not to be.

(2) The monk might object to one of Deadlock’s premises, saying that doing good deeds won't necessarily be lacking consideration for other people or concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure, but usually in the love of humanity — love in the sense of caring for, nourishing, developing, or enhancing humanity.

(3) Or he could agree with Deadlock’s premises, but note that “selfishness” could be an impure intention and it is impossible for non-virtuous action to produce favorable results, according to Karma in Buddhism. Therefore, Deadlock’s conclusion of the “self-defeating” Karma theory doesn't follow.

(4) Or he could repair Deadlock’s conclusion, saying that Karma isn’t a self-defeating system, because he has been teaching believers and unbelievers alike all the time on how to perform good deeds, and he is now enlightened with pure Wisdom of the right Attitude, right Practice, and right Understanding that leads to the liberating Happiness.

Those who spend their time believing they are enlightened and the other shameless masses not will be their own judge and jury come the pearly gates. Enlightenment, and the belief that one possesses it, is a very egotistical human fantasy. We all desperately want to believe we are better than the next guy, it's only human.

Karma is like credit cards, they have to be paid back or else they grow like crazy and make us crazy. Unlike credit cards, we can't ever know the balances. Which is a good thing. Look how crazy credit card bills make people. The best thing to do is stop adding to the balances. A little discipline in life choices goes a long way to eventually paying off balances racked u

Lol, what so selfish about that. The problem is that too many of us are more concerned about what other's are doing wrong and not taking a better look in the mirror to see what we are doing wrong.We come into this life "alone" we leave this life "alone". That should be a clue that we are here to fix ourselves first and foremost. The rest of the nearly seven billion lost souls on this planet are here to do the same.

Lost souls can't help anyone until they themselves are fixed.

Earth is a war planet, always has been, always will be. People sent to this planet were sent here to endure inhumanity on some level or other for past life infractions. Those that find this planet deplorable need to clean up their acts and never come back here because this planet is never going to change. However, people on this planet are allowed to change and improve themselves.



Karma applies to everyone regardless of faith or lack thereof

IMO, I think it is not egotistical for these people to believe that they are enlightened. Being enlightened simply means that one has found the truth of something (according to his way); there's no right or wrong about that. And that, doesn't make his status higher than anyone else.
I don't think they are trying to be better than other people, too.

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Added on April 13, 2012, 2:07 pmI somewhat agree with this.

I've seen people who ranted about how the world is becoming more and more evil, and suggested that God remove intelligence and/or freewill from humans, so that there would be no conflict (wars) and the world would be a better place to live. These people should reflect on themselves first before addressing such a statement (and proposing such an absurd idea of asking God to remove intelligence), where the cause of sufferings and pain that they mentioned is questionable

This post has been edited by Wild Tiger: Apr 13 2012, 02:07 PM

Enlightenment is not achieved through meditation of any kind; enlightenment is earned and forged in the furnaces of life such as we have on earth. Many who spent their whole lives in meditation hoping to escape reincarnation are back on good old planet earth, and are now working for a living. The Road to enlightenment is filled with blood, sweat, and tears. Those who attain it have callused souls to prove their worth.


They could end hunger and poverty and wars and diseases and make this planet a utopia, but they are not going to. Utopia already exists on billions of worlds in this galaxy, earth is not utopia, earth is a proving ground for those who want to get to utopia.

However everyone is capable of improving their own lives considerably while here on earth if they pick up on the clues all around them. When we begin to use our minds and not abuse them we become aware of the bigger picture. There is no need or lack, those are illusions to keep people in their place, wallowing in self-pity and despair. We can break free of those chains or remain in them with the rest of congregation.

Extremely important if you don’t want to come back, important to you mostly, once you are on the other side you empathize with those that are struggling on places like earth but you are not affected by what they have to go through because you will understand it’s necessary like giving a child a shot.


It's more satisfying to point the finger at others than ourselves, or to the true culprits. If we can't know ourselves, how can we know the real culprits? Oh, yeah, from the media, politicians, Hollywood and our spiritual leaders, they know

i do believe in karma. well. to see karma itself ur mind must be first = conscious. u must made what i like to call 'the mystiqal wedding' with urself. then, the only objective of our life is to get rid all of the bad karma. and made peace with urself. and then the Creator.

believing in something always makes it true.

why dont you try an experiment where instead of believing youre getting bad karma whenever you say something bad, you get good karma instead.

my friend always does that.