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Critical_Fallacy
post Dec 12 2011, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(studilicious @ Dec 5 2011, 09:39 PM)
Karma is the same as What you Give is What You Get right?

It seems that, in the long perspective of history the issues and beliefs, Karma is related to Buddhism Lexicon, and other Indian religions as well. Although I'm not sure from where you've got that concept of Karma, but if it's true, do you think it is possible for a man to gain the whole world and yet lose his soul? However, I’m sure you have some good reasons to put forth such concept. If you have been believing in Karma, how has Karma changed you then? And if not, in what similar ways do your religious beliefs impact the way you live your life to do Good and avoid Evil?

Nevertheless, I'm sure you're as good as studilicious sounds, because you want to help students and lifelong learners to become more than they have ever been before. And that alone is a great repository of virtue and deed in your well-being.
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post Apr 12 2012, 04:32 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 10 2012, 07:07 PM)
If Karma is indeed real, then those who utilize Karma to their advantage are already inheriting bad karma due to their selfishness. Hence, a self-defeating system.
QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 11 2012, 10:58 AM)
Who can utilize Karma? Did you mean curse? Show us the example since you believe or think so. [trying to find out the unspecified party or an unknown “those”]
QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 11 2012, 06:36 PM)
Wouldn't those who has the knowledge and understanding of how karma works will use it towards their favour? Not a curse.
QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 11 2012, 08:38 PM)
If you don't know karma exist or how it works, then how do you know there are people who do and use it to their advantage? [trying to find the connection between two ideas that don't seem belong together]
QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 11 2012, 09:31 PM)
[Probably can be interpreted as if, ... “I don't know if karma exists, but I know there are people who has the knowledge and understanding of how karma works will use it towards their favour, b]ecause like everything else in the universe, people will eventually study and learn about things, and then eventually understand them, [don't you]?”
(1) If you see two people talking and one feels confused, he's the other one, ... most likely.

(2) If the explanation is supposed to clarify the opinion, or at least provide reasoning in support of accepting the opinion, the explanation cannot presume the opinion. One can’t assume to be true what one is trying to clarify to be true. If one does, then one won’t have clarified anything!

(3) Naturally, for some readers, of course, are not so naive as to be unaware that there is something dubious about the whole explanation. The most obvious way to explain in circular, is to simply restate the opinion in slightly different words or in slightly “colorful” ways.

(4) We often make this mistake when we don’t pay careful attention to our assumptions, since the circularity is often in the assumptions. However, he most probably wasn't himself yesterday, as he used to be thinking critically about profound ideas, though mostly were in the form of provocative questions.
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post Apr 13 2012, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 10 2012, 07:07 PM)
If Karma is indeed real, then those who utilize Karma to their advantage are already inheriting bad karma due to their selfishness. Hence, a self-defeating system.
QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 12 2012, 08:10 AM)
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The point I was making about those who would use karma to their advantage is how certain people has decided to "COLLECT" good deeds ... in a quest to obtain more positive, good karma than the negative ones. ... as simply SELFISH, and if karma is indeed working perfectly as a system, that very same selfish behaviour is indeed, actually BAD KARMA, ... are bound to fail in preventing themselves from accumulating negative karma ...
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It all sounds so good and it would explain a lot. But don't confuse possibility with plausibility. Yes, sometimes there is pseudoscience, like Ghost hunters often utilize a variety of electronic equipment, e.g. EMF meter, thermometer, video camera, audio recorder to collect evidence claimed to be supportive of paranormal activity explanations. But an interesting explanation is at most a good reason to investigate whether its claims are true. In a nutshell, we need valid evidence or strong reasoning, not just a theory, before we should believe.

(1) I met a Buddhist Monk yesterday when having vegetarian lunch, and I told him about Deadlock’s Karma theory. The monk can't let it pass and he has a different theory to offer Deadlock. Imagine for a moment that this “karma-thing” is not anything that can be identified because “it” prefers not to be.

(2) The monk might object to one of Deadlock’s premises, saying that doing good deeds won't necessarily be lacking consideration for other people or concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure, but usually in the love of humanity — love in the sense of caring for, nourishing, developing, or enhancing humanity.

(3) Or he could agree with Deadlock’s premises, but note that “selfishness” could be an impure intention and it is impossible for non-virtuous action to produce favorable results, according to Karma in Buddhism. Therefore, Deadlock’s conclusion of the “self-defeating” Karma theory doesn't follow.

(4) Or he could repair Deadlock’s conclusion, saying that Karma isn’t a self-defeating system, because he has been teaching believers and unbelievers alike all the time on how to perform good deeds, and he is now enlightened with pure Wisdom of the right Attitude, right Practice, and right Understanding that leads to the liberating Happiness.

 

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