That's the buddhism I subscribe to.

I don't believe we gain the truth simply by following, blindly others.

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Added on September 22, 2011, 3:32 pmI've not read everything, but just to conclude from my understanding.

Cause and Effect is true. Butterfly Effect is true.

However the concept of good and bad karma, is inconclusive.

It is true that when we do good, we tend to get good. However it is never a guarantee.

It will require us to first show what we did in our previous lives, in order to prove whether karma is true.

Otherwise, as far as we can see the good and the bad occurs, based on both karma, and pure chance.

Here is how cause and effect works, if I feed a hungry dog, there is a possibility that he will bite my fingers. If it does bite me, well, then that's cause and effect. Cause and effect does not determine whether good or bad occurs. Just that something happens due to something prior.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Sep 22 2011, 04:56 PM

I once read a story about this strange man.

Whenever something bad happens to him, he is happy. And whenever something good happens to him he is sad.

There is a morale behind it.

I only remember the mid point which went like this:


Once upon a time, there was a famer who was given a horse. His wife was delighted, but he frowned. Asked why he was sad, he said, something bad will surely follow.

The next day his son went riding on the horse and he fell and broke his leg. The man kept smiling whole day long. Asked why he was smiling, good things will come my way.

It happens the kingdom was at war, and some military men came to draft all the young men from the village into the army. Because the son's leg hasn't recovered he did not have to enlist.

The story went so on and so forth.

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Added on September 23, 2011, 10:42 amLife is a series of random events, which we try to influence. And usually by doing good we influence them to be good.

Random here, refers to events that though had a cause, neither the cause nor the event itself had any meaning behind it. And we are not able to accurately perceive it's outcome due to the infinite number of prior events that will affect it's outcome.



This post has been edited by TheDoer: Sep 23 2011, 10:42 AM

I think I get what you mean. You mean to say, that there is an "eventual" path that we just don't know and our actions via free will being part of that eventual path.

Hum.. perhaps... perhaps. However there is still no proof, that anything we do, does have a balance sheet of right or wrong. Whatever we do now, will effect our future, but not necessarily in an equally "right" or "wrong" return.

And yes, reincarnation just like the concept of karma... this is an unproven concept. I've only heard claims, without believable reasoning how it is possible.

For those which you noted and saw the outcome of karma. How many did not come true? We had probably forgotten those.

The universe doesn't owe us anything, why do we think it is trying to make things fair?

Yes. The poster was terrified.

I was questioning, whether it was poor association or not? Eg. say somebodies name, then you hear thunder. Taking it as a bad omen, when it could simply be a coincidence.

"Those" in my statement refered to occurance, not people.

But anyway, what I meant is that for those that you saw was true, we have failed to compare that which did not come true.

Therefore we cannot use that which came true as proof.

It is like a temple with a so called turtle that could give out lucky numbers.

On the notice board it proudly shows that almost every month someone would have struct 4D from swiping their numbers on the poor turtle.

What they did not show is the number of people that came praying every month, and the mountain of numbers that did not come true.

So considering the odds, is getting 1 or 2 numbers right every few months, considered a miracle?
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likewise, when it comes to karma, we can't look at cases where they apply as proof that it works, because we do know that there are many cases where karma do not work, but then we are told that it "should" happen in our next life, which we are unable to verify.

While we know that everything has a cause. We have no way to proof that ones action now and the events that occur later, have any moral relationship.

Believe me, I have seen karma at work myself, how my actions were rewarded. And I do agree that suffering arises from craving. But I can't honestly say that karma is proven.