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post Aug 13 2010, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(bloggerblue @ Aug 13 2010, 07:07 AM)
40 minutes gua?


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QUOTE(seantang @ Aug 13 2010, 08:41 AM)
Thanks! the link is very useful, it even shows the fare by different transportation. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Aug 13 2010, 11:46 AM)
I don't think that is a fair comparison. When u earn in SG you spend in SG. Rental is expensive, cost of living is rising. When people say that dollar to dollar  food in SG is cheaper than M'sia you must understand the key word here is "cheaper". If you are earning SGD 2,000.00 you have to live a spartan life here. If you earn RM 6,000 in M'sia, you can liver pretty comfortably even though the exchange rate will ultimately make the person earning SGD 2000 more than the person earning RM 6,000.00
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conversion rate is SGD 1 = MYR 2.3x only not 3 leh how come SGD2k become RM6k?

but to be fair, u cant compare SGD2k with SGD4.6k also coz different responsibilities/qualification/experience liao

so lets compare SGD 2k vs RM 2k for a fresh grad;

In msia,
- stay with parents no need pay rent = 0
- car installment for RM50k car = RM500
- petrol = RM300 (10/day)
- food = RM450 (15/day food court)
- phone bill = RM100
TOTAL = RM1350
gross savings = RM650 (before tax & EPF)

In SG,
- rent room = SGD550
- ez-link = SGD100 (3.3/day)
- food = SGD300 (10/day food court)
- phone bill = SGD50
TOTAL = SGD1000
gross savings = SGD1000 (before tax & EPF)

disclaimer: lifestyle could b diff from person to person, use this as a reference only. For my 'cheap' lifestyle, only $350 difference in savings/mth, but staying comfortably at home... got family, friends and can drive around.

the conversion only works till u decide to move back to Msia and bring back your savings (provided there is) of course you can buy things dollar to dollar cheaper in SG, but how often do you buy a TV, fridge, laptop or things like that.

when salary increases, but not much expenses increased, I can save more in SG but then, property prices are out of reach. I think a long term plan would be to invest prty back in Msia; buy a nice house ... then can retire comfortably with the retirement fund converted from SGD plus work till 62yrs old. brows.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:18 PM

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i do agree with toda, there is no point converting SGD to RM when u gonna stay and live in singapore.
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(toda6866 @ Aug 13 2010, 03:41 PM)
conversion rate is SGD 1 = MYR 2.3x only not 3 leh how come SGD2k become RM6k?

In msia,
- stay with parents no need pay rent = 0
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for some, That house that the parent and sibling stay for free is actually financed by the brother or sister who rented a small HDB room in SG.

If you are elder son or elser sister and you have the option of saving RM650 or S$1000 per month plus brother/sister who stay with parent for free and asking money for their school fee, which option will you take?


Added on August 13, 2010, 4:53 pm
QUOTE(rickysim84 @ Aug 13 2010, 04:18 PM)
i do agree with toda, there is no point converting SGD to RM when u gonna stay and live in singapore.
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true if you only think of yourself or nicer way to say is you have no dependant.

It is a huge difference for those who send back money every month. Go ask any maid or china worker in SG, they can give you better example.

Those who benefited eg. stay for free and graduated from Uni may not know how it feel (or what's the point) to "stay and live" in singapore for years.

This post has been edited by r1v3r: Aug 13 2010, 04:53 PM
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post Aug 13 2010, 08:29 PM

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if i lied about my malaysia working experience to sg employer, will they know? wat is the consequences? but they seem don know about it......
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post Aug 13 2010, 10:06 PM

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why are you trying to cheat them at the first place? If you really capable of what you're actually working on, you able to perform what you're telling them, why worry? Anyway, you have your own bottomline , you should respondsible for what you've done and told. You choose to do it then let's face the consequences. The worse thing i can think of they will most probably just kick out of if you're not performing.
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post Aug 13 2010, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(toda6866 @ Aug 13 2010, 03:41 PM)
I think a long term plan would be to invest prty back in Msia; buy a nice house ... then can retire comfortably with the retirement fund converted from SGD plus work till 62yrs old.  brows.gif
For me, the whole point of working in Singapore is to retire earlier than I could have if I stayed in Malaysia, not work even longer. Oh... and also to buy stuff I could never afford if I stayed in Malaysia.

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post Aug 13 2010, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Aug 13 2010, 10:48 PM)
For me, the whole point of working in Singapore is to retire earlier than I could have if I stayed in Malaysia, not work even longer. Oh... and also to buy stuff I could never afford if I stayed in Malaysia.
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But how early can you retire compare than u work in Msia?

This is also based on the assumption that RM remains RM2.30 = S$1.00, what if RM continue to strengthen against SGD in the years to come?

RM is the best performing currency so far in Asia this year.
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post Aug 13 2010, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Aug 13 2010, 11:21 PM)
But how early can you retire compare than u work in Msia?

This is also based on the assumption that RM remains RM2.30 = S$1.00, what if RM continue to strengthen against SGD in the years to come?

RM is the best performing currency so far in Asia this year.
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haha.. just to add some heat into the debate..
if i'm not wrong singapore has the strongest performing economy almost all the time .
18% GDP ??


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post Aug 13 2010, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(wseng @ Aug 13 2010, 11:31 PM)
haha.. just to add some heat into the debate..
if i'm not wrong singapore has the strongest performing economy almost all the time .
18% GDP ??
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18% GDP as compared to last's year figure, of course it's high! Next few years will not see such a huge jump.
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Aug 13 2010, 11:21 PM)
But how early can you retire compare than u work in Msia?
When I did my sums 6 years ago before I came to Sg... I will have saved the same amount of money (in a common currency) by the time I'm 43 in Sg, as I would have at 55 in Mys. But that calculation was based on a flat salary to make the calculation easier. But the fact is that my company has a much larger office in Singapore. I have gotten 3 promotions since I arrived here, whereas in KL, I had already hit the ceiling.

For you guys, it should be even earlier as most of you are practically starting your careers here. Whereas I had already "wasted" quite a few years in KL and Ipoh.

If I could re-do my career all over again, I would work overseas immediately after graduation and after 15-20 years, retire back to Ipoh to a simple stress free job making coffee at Starbucks or something, earning just enough to pay for the road tax, petrol and insurance for my Evo X or Skyline GTR which I would have already paid in cash for.

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This is also based on the assumption that RM remains RM2.30 = S$1.00, what if RM continue to strengthen against SGD in the years to come?
Trust me, the RM won't. In any case, bilateral exchange rates are ultimately a factor of relative standards of living, economic development, wage & productivity levels. If 60% of Malaysians continue to think that the other 40% of Malaysians owe them a living, where their focus is on handouts, APs, free 30% shares, bumi housing discounts, bumi loans & scholarships that don't have to be paid back, govt contracts, free FELDA land, wang ihsan, duit kopi, datukships, ASB, NEP and using tax money to build Putrajayas, mosques and palaces - the RM will not surpass the S$. Petronas will run out of crude oil at some point.

In any case, a long term depreciation of the S$ will also lead to higher wages. In Malaysia, the reverse would be true.

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RM is the best performing currency so far in Asia this year.
It's more of a factor of USD's weakening due to the 2008 recession and the different countries' differing monetary strategies to manage that. Anyway, all that's happened is that the RM/SGD moved from 2.40 to 2.30. That's all. Firstly, it's insignificant - and secondly the SGD climbed from 1.50 (when I was still a child) to 2.10 when I started working, to 2.35 when I initially moved to Singapore. The long term trend has been in place for the past 40 years.

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:31 AM

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When I did my sums 6 years ago before I came to Sg... I will have saved the same amount of money (in a common currency) by the time I'm 43 in Sg, as I would have at 55 in Mys. But that calculation was based on a flat salary to make the calculation easier. But the fact is that my company has a much larger office in Singapore. I have gotten 3 promotions since I arrived here, whereas in KL, I had already hit the ceiling.

For you guys, it should be even earlier as most of you are practically starting your careers here. Whereas I had already "wasted" quite a few years in KL and Ipoh.

If I could re-do my career all over again, I would work overseas immediately after graduation and after 15-20 years, retire back to Ipoh to a simple stress free job making coffee at Starbucks or something, earning just enough to pay for the road tax, petrol and insurance for my Evo X or Skyline GTR which I would have already paid in cash for.
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Wow, well said...

But many Malaysians would still prefer to stay in Singapore after accumulating enough savings throughout their career as their spouse might me Singaporean or their children would like to receive education in Singapore.

Unless, one decided to remain single or have no children or their Singaporean spouse decided to follow thier husband/wife back to some Malaysian village.
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Aug 14 2010, 02:31 AM)
But many Malaysians would still prefer to stay in Singapore after accumulating enough savings throughout their career as their spouse might me Singaporean or their children would like to receive education in Singapore.
That's if you marry a Singaporean. If you brought your girlfriend over from Malaysia, just marry her lah. Even better if she's from the same hometown you're from.

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post Aug 14 2010, 11:19 AM

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best thing is tax we paid is not used to build mosque
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post Aug 14 2010, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(kockroach @ Aug 14 2010, 11:19 AM)
best thing is tax we paid is not used to build mosque
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Sweat la.. lol...
when u gonna bring ur gf over sg? If not the tax she paid will be used to build mosque also. lol
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Aug 14 2010, 11:19 AM)
best thing is tax we paid is not used to build mosque
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In MY, our money is not just use to build mosque and mansions BUT other things as well...

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RM363 for a 80GB hdd in Nov last year! Last week in Ipoh, I paid RM180 for a new 500GB Western D 2.5" Scorpio Blue hdd when I repaired my Thinkpad.
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The life of a government contractor is like that...RM363, cos he sub to dunno how many subcontractors to do the actual purchasing while the difference is kept as profit, haha.
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Congratulations to everyone in thread for taking a stand against injustice and being part of the brain drain.

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IMF asks Malaysia to take 'decisive' action
Posted: 14 August 2010 1205 hrs Channel News Asia

WASHINGTON : The IMF asked Malaysia Friday to take "decisive" action on reforms under a model program aimed at revamping a controversial four-decade-old affirmative action policy.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced in March a "New Economic Model" or NEM, aimed at reforming elements of the policy favouring the country's majority ethnic Malays in a bid to boost economic competitiveness.

Details of the reform program, including its timing, have not been announced yet.

The Washington-based International Monetary Fund said Friday it was looking forward to the NEM's rollout.

In a report after annual consultations between the IMF executive board and the Malaysian government, the fund acknowledged the "ambitious vision" of Najib's administration for a far-reaching economic transformation over the longer term.

The board directors "agreed that the comprehensive structural reform agenda, at the heart of the New Economic Model, holds out promise of faster and inclusive growth," the report said.

"Directors looked forward to a decisive effort and sustained momentum in implementing this agenda," it said.

They also called for an "effective communication strategy" to forge "broad public support" for these efforts.

"Further gradual liberalization of product and labor markets will help exploit policy complementarities, encourage private investment and harness the benefits of reform," the report said.

Najib, who came to office last year, said the New Economic Model was designed to boost growth, create a high-quality workforce, and attract badly needed foreign investment.

The model also aims to stem Malaysia's "brain drain" with measures to retain skilled professionals, and make markets more competitive by phasing out price controls and subsidies.

The affirmative action policy which hands Malays privileges in housing, education and business has been criticised as uncompetitive and improperly benefiting the elites.

Under the planned changes to the policy, the government will seek to raise the income levels of all disadvantaged groups, rather than focusing solely on ethnic Malays, the dominant ethnic group in the Southeast Asian nation.

Najib's reforms face opposition from conservative Malay rights groups.

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Hi Guys, I got offered an Engineer Post from a MNC company doing optical engineering. The salary they offered is SGD3000. Is it too low or average for a person with one year working experience?

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