One of Sam's boys. Good future there.

1.Job exposure, career development

Manager in AT&T Cyberjaya vs Exec in Singapore? No brainer... the managerial exposure and experience will outstrip whatever low level experience he gains in Singapore.

2.Standard of living

RM7000 is pretty comfortable in KL. Firmly middle class. S$3800 is okay in Singapore, but on the low side. The only advantage is the S$ exchange rate allows you to buy more imported stuff. But then again, the S$ salary is practically only half of the RM salary... and that removes most of the exchange rate difference.

3.Money

Like I said, the big difference in salaries removes the S$ exchange rate advantage.

All in all, the big salary difference offers very little financial incentive and comes with a significant career downgrade. Thumbs down.

Simply working in Singapore doesn't make your resume shine. It's what you do, not where you do it.

In any resume, having 7000 worth of duties & responsibilities has a very different meaning compared to having 3800 worth of duties & responsibilities. The S$ to RM in terms of job size & responsibilities is generally 1:1.

If I see 2 resumes... one with a RM7K job and the other with a S$3.8K job... immediately I can come to a conclusion who has the more important job with bigger decision making responsibilities. I would think that the the former is a mid-career junior manager (managing either people, process or revenue) and the latter is probably a fresh grad with 2 or so years of experience doing some sort of very junior exec work.

Let's be frank. His pay is not going to jump from S$3.8K to S$10K in a few years... unless he's very lucky or has very good timing.

However, if he goes for that RM7K job in AT&T and after a couple of years, move to Sg from there - S$10K won't be far off.

True for any company. However, this implies that the 2 people have a chance to compete for that job in the first place.

What I'm saying is that someone who earns S$/RM3.8K will simply not be operating at nor competing for the same jobs as someone who's earning S$/RM7K.

The internal chap who earns S$3.8K won't be even be considered for that job. Perhaps another internal person who earns S$6K or S$7K will compete favourably against the outsider earning RM7K, but not someone who only earns S$3.8K despite being an insider.

Your one no brainer lah. It's basically S$4700 vs RM4600. Even if you insist on excluding the CPF in-lieu portion, it's still S$4200 vs RM4600... quite acceptable.

As far as the financial aspect is concerned, the cost-benefit analysis should stop right here.

No, you shouldn't.

Don't believe 100% everything you hear about DB. This is a current ad at another bulge bracket bank for a VP position, offering about $12-15K per month. I don't believe that $4-7K is enough room to differentiate all the positions between a freshie (even one with CFA) and a VP. I mean, how thin can you slice it and still keep the AMs, Ms, SMs and AVPs happy?



This post has been edited by seantang: May 16 2010, 09:06 PM

Who are you?

I didn't say VP of whole bank. Sure, VP is synonymous with manager elsewhere. And they call their execs everything from AMs to SM. However, that doesn't chmage the fact that banks are hierarchical and won't pay freshies the same pay as VPs.

I hardly call splitting the profits of a casino monopoly a "contribution".

Give anyone an entire hill and a casino licence, they will make the same "contribution" if not more. LGT's claim to fame is his ability to persuade succeeding UMNO govts to keep issuing his licence.

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Added on May 23, 2010, 9:16 am
If it's any consolation, GKS was a Malacca boy.

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Added on May 23, 2010, 9:20 am
Besides being an ACCA finalist, do you have a degree?

How long more before you have accumulated enough working experience to get the ACCA?


This post has been edited by seantang: May 23 2010, 09:20 AM

With an accounting degree, ACCA finalist and 2 years of post-graduation experience, you should be quite hot in the Sg job market assuming your degree and experience were from respectable establishments. Perhaps try the accounting firms first. They are more willing to accept non-residents due to their higher turnover.

Yes, Big4 are typically more willing to get EPs for freshies. The MNCs will not to bother to hire foreigners if there are equivalent local applicants available. For junior staff, my company will usually only go through this for internal transfers ie. someone from our office in another country being transferred to Singapore. The exception is for hard to find skills like specific language capabilities or SMEs (Subject Matter Experts) etc.

I'm not sure why so many people are so hard up about Tg Pagar. Seriously, it's not like Malaysia can 'build on, develop" or practically do anything with Tg Pagar. At best, Malaysia can only hope to bar Singapore from the land... ie. playing the spoiler.

But that has absolutely no benefit for Malaysia. Some say that it's a bargaining chip or leverage for other things like the stoopid crooked bridge, water price or West Malaysians' CPF. But to be frank... Singapore's not going to even regard Tg Pagar as Malaysia's bargaining chip. They can take back Tg Pagar at any time. All they have to do is argue that their national sovereignty is being violated. No country in the world will back the 'unconditional ownership' of land in one sovereign country by a foreign country. One country cannot "own land" as a sovereign country in another sovereign country. They can of course do so as a "private sector owner or investor" but that means that Singapore can simply use compulsory acquisition laws to reacquire the land. So, for all intents and purposes, Malaysia really only "holds" the land at Tg Pagar at the leave of the Singapore govt. In my opinion, Singapore has been pretty polite about it... probably because they are simply treating it as a reserve land bank.

Therefore, Malaysia is getting a good deal for Tg Pagar. If I were Singapore, I'd simply forcibly take back the land as a reprisal for stopping the sale of sand... which Malaysia stopped for "sovereignty reasons" btw. Singapore is obviously saving up some political chips for later use by agreeing to that 60/40 development arrangement.

This post has been edited by seantang: May 27 2010, 11:26 AM

Title does not equal sovereignty. You may have title to the land, but that land is part of a sovereign country nonetheless. Simplest definition is laws. Does Singapore law apply to people and actions on/in Tg Pagar or does Malaysian law apply? Can Malaysia stop Singapore aircraft from flying over Tg Pagar or the MRT running under it?

Fact is that Tg Pagar is a part of Singapore, not Malaysia.

It's not an act of war if Singapore forcibly regains Tg Pagar. It is a confiscation of assets, which Malaysia as the title owner can contest. But it's not an act of war as it is not Malaysian soil.

Only embassies (even then, this is nowhere permanent), the Vatican and Monaco (as far as I know) are exceptions to this concept. Even then, there are limitations placed by the sovereign country (ie. host countries for embassies, Italy and France for the Vatican and Monaco) on logistical things like military and airspace etc.

This post has been edited by seantang: May 27 2010, 10:39 PM

Big is not automatically not boring. I've been working in Michigan this week. Huge place. Our company HQ alone is probably the size of Singapore. There is a forest inside the fenced compound that's big enough to support wild deer and wild turkeys. Can see them coming out to graze from our office windows.

Town and residential areas are huge as well. Need a car to drive everywhere. Not only from one part of town to the other, but from Walmart to Best Buy to Sears. Even Starbucks has a drive through.

Entertainment is basically booze, balls (baseball & football) and babes (strippers & hookers). I don't like the first, can't play the second and can't tahan all night with the third. And I'm a little bit sick of steaks, ribs and french fries... although US Angus beef is beautiful.

I can't wait to go back to SG.

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Added on May 29, 2010, 11:14 pmWhat the heck are clarques?

This post has been edited by seantang: May 29 2010, 11:14 PM

Why don't you try the lonely planet page for Singapore nightlife, or the Sg tourism development board website? People may not enjoy the same things. I actually don't enjoy Clarke Quay very much. Also depends on the quality of the people you're with. If high quality, HDB kopitiam watch world cup also enjoy. If low quality, even fine wine and fine dining also get indigestion.

Who's going to do the research as to where to buy it and which price is good?
Obviously, you are going to pay for the computer and the costs to send it to you. But who's going to pay for the forumer's expenses to actually go buy it (taxi fares to and from the place of purchase etc)?
How are you going to send cash to the forumer who helps you?
Are you going to send cash to the forumer first, and he buys it... or do you expect him to pay for it first and then you reimburse him? If it's the former, do you trust the forumer? If it's the latter, why should they trust you?
On top of all that, how much are you going to compensate the forumer for spending his time & energy to buy it for you?

You might want to answer these logistical questions first, before spamming this thread the same request over and over again.

I would focus on the fact that the Singaporean police had made arrests within 24 hours. The same thing in Malaysia, the police might not even contact the victim within 24 hours.