Are you kidding??? So Many and if you asked, anyone here having unsuccessful Bh, you get similar answers, too.......

You must be new and what can we do for you???? Hunting for a successful BH, you came to the right place if the price is great! Nothing in the world cannot be sold.................people with principle are so rare and I am one of those rare but crazy one.

Im new to this subforum but im not new to swiftlet farming.

No offense but i noticed this subforum doesnt discuss anything about swiflet farmings except the links given in the first post. Mostly discussion about political issues and side stories.

Im new to this subforum but im not new to swiftlet farming.

No offense but i noticed this subforum doesnt discuss anything about swiflet farmings except the links given in the first post. Mostly discussion about political issues and side stories.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Im new to this subforum but im not new to swiftlet farming.

No offense but i noticed this subforum doesnt discuss anything about swiflet farmings except the links given in the first post. Mostly discussion about political issues and side stories.

Few months ago, there were few officers came to our kampung for inspection. The officers said as long we dont turn the volume high, it is ok for BH owner HERE to operate their BH. The Mukah incident was the most sad one. Guess what happen now? The BHs still operate at Mukah like nothing happen though.

Something I thought of it long ago and didn't do it @ agriculture land because of security @ Agriculture land.

Warning:  Pekan swiftlets Association sms that there is a group of 6 having dangerous  weapons stealing EBN from BHs in Pekan-Rompin area so be careful when approaching these thieves....cos they are armed.

Time are bad enough without Perhilitan coming in for a kill, too.......the Chinese saying should go like this." Front door, we have Perhilitan and back door, we have robbers".

Regulatory Status of Codes of Practice
While the codes certainly serve an important adjunct to expert/testimony in the revice Animal Ordinance 1953, they should not and of themselves be used to determine compliance or the legality of a particular operation. Codes are recommended guidelines not required standards.

While I do not fully understand what the above paragraph (lifted frm the GAHP) means
I do have a few points I would like to share below

2.5 Identification and records
2.5.2 Useful records include: species, acquisition/disposition, incubation period, hatched date, flock/batch number, fertilized eggs acquired from, and owernership. The date and mode of any treatment or medication, breeding history, and bloodline records can be added on.
Essentially a log of all activities of each individual bird from the egg stage...Banyak bagus!

2.5.3 Permanent identification (microchip ring tag) of some of the pioneer breeders is needed for legal proof of ownership. These shall in the future be, at the National Animal Registrar Office, stationed at the Department of Veterinary Services Headquarters. Annual renewal of the licenses shall be deemed a must, which goes concurrently with the compulsory random health checks of the birds and premise by registered Veterinary authority, the Local Government and Health Ministry.
Wah!!! A unique ID for each bird. Getting better!!!
I am wondering if DVS Walet site is for registering each individual bird or BH??

3.1 Water and feed
3.1.3 Where environmental, seasonal, or stocking density effects do not allow daily insect feed requirements to be met, supplemented insects bolus feed can be offered.
3.1.4 Specific trace mineral requirements can be met with supplements. Exotic birds may have different requirements for minerals such as cooper, selenium or cobalt than those of conventional animals.
Do we weigh all the hatchlings each day like babies to chart proper growth?

3.3 Restrain
3.3.1 Restrain is required for procedures such as tagging and medication.
3.3.2 Use of currently available chemical immobilizing agents is legally restricted to licensed registered veterinarians an other authorized personnel.
3.3.3 Chemical immobilization should not be used where birds might injure or disorient themselves or become separated from human care, for example near open water, extensive woodland or steep slopes.
3.3.4 Following chemical immobilization, birds should be kept upright in a dark, confine, dry flat area and kept under observation until sufficient recovery has occurred to avoid risks of trauma, regurgitation or accidental injury. It is best to wrap anaesthetized birds with towels to prevent hypothermia.
3.3.5 Birds recovering from chemical immobilization behave strangely and may traumatised itself or be attacked by other objects.
So to attach the chip ring tag, you may need to hire specialist to immobilise the birds!!
I refuse to read on.

GAHP has been mentioned for at least a year when I first stumbled on this forum.
How did all these alien breeding recommendations have stayed on for so long in the GAHP?
Didnt all the sifus here have the presence of mind to challenge DVS then?
All your local assoc and the Feds have just been shown to be just as clueless with recent events.

The "five freedoms" are recognized as criteria for judging how welfare is rated:
>• freedom from hunger and thirst
>• freedom from thermal and physical discomfort
>• freedom from pain, injury and disease
> freedom from undue anxiety
>• freedom to display most normal patterns of behaviour

This is from the GAHP Introduction.

    Does the advisor, consultant and writer had ever designed, built, managed and produced BH and BN ?

    The above key performance index of the GAHP is almost laughable.

    * Freedom from hunger and thirst -  doesn't this folks know that the swiftlets find their own food and water ?

    * Freedom from thermal and physical discomfort -  doesn't this folks know that we are not rearing chicken and the swiftlets are free to leave ?  Or are they just cutting and pasting from the internet without thinking ?

    * Freedom from pain, injury and disease  -  doesn't this folks also know that we are not breeding but offering a shelter for swiftlets. Nature takes care of its own and in the wise words of the ancient - "when sky fall we treat it as blanket"

    * Freedom from undue anxiety - like all other animals - human included - they fight to preserve physical and mental comfort. An oxymoron but that's sanity in our deluded world.  It's also the world that the insane called the sane insane with patronising idiocy.
There is NO UNDUE ANXIETY as they are all free to leave.

    *  Freedom to display most normal patterns of behaviour - Again the swiftlets are free to leave. It is all natural without coercion.
If I were the consultant, advisor and writer I would be a shame to put my name on it.  But these 3 blokes had no qualms :

ADVISOR      :      DATO' DR. HAWARI BIN HUSSEIN
CONSULTANT :      DATO' DR. MATTA BIN ABD RAHMAN
                    :      DR. Hj. IBRAHIM BIN CHE EMBONG

COMPILED &  :      DR. FADZILAH A'lNI BINTI ABDUL KADIR
WRITTEN

I thought Dato is a specially award status meant for people with high achiever or intelligent but seems to me like Dato is just the meaning of nothing to me now. It just a name and did not reflect the brain of the person. This is wat we are talking from day one when the industry was ran by people who don't even know what is swiftlet natural habitat. Looks to me like these guys were not even know how to take care of a baby except their imaginary know how . And also the problem with lack of education and studying of the species.

Sibu had made the right choice and its a shame to the MCA rep to threatened the Sibu people that they will lose the support of the Federal Govt. Feds should be color blind but seems like our MCA chinaman will be forever dog . Bruce Lee was right, some chinese are weakling.

As usual, fox can never hide its tail for long.....

but when it does it always means that his mission is accomplished.

and sad news.....ordinary farmers will suffer.　

Perhilitan and DVS both having seperate work function, one in charged of wild protected animals, the other in charged of domesticated aninal.
Simple question is WHY WHY both departments want to take charge of swiftlet industry? Officers so hardworking ahh? Like ants go for the sugar ahh?
Swiftlet industry can only have either Perhilitan OR DVS and not both. It is like Tentera Di Darat want to go the sea and call themselves kami Tentera Di Raja Laut?!
Town swiftlets are categoried as aerodamus domesticus, which is not considered wild animal and they are so plenty, number exceeded extinction requrement.
Cave swiftlets, on the other hand, in the brime of extinction.
PERHILITAN should NOT ever seen in the towns and airports!!! They should stay in the jungle and protect wild swiftlet from the poachers. Even if they come to towns or airports, they should go after wild animal products from the jungle and caves and not SHOPHOUSES or FARMS!
Cave swiftlets in the brime of extinction and NOT town swiftlet OK!!
PERHILITAN, what are you doing here?!

As usual, fox can never hide its tail for long.....

but when it does it always means that his mission is accomplished.

and sad news.....ordinary farmers will suffer.　

Dato Beh basically saying in the market there are a few EBN processing companies using bleach to clean EBN, esp EBN from the cave to reduce time of getting rid of dirt and feathers. He is not surprise bleached EBN is available in the local market. Dato Beh is replying to an article in  Spore LianHo paper reporting one forumer in the net eyewitness EBN processing in one company in Kota Bharu Kelantan using bleach. He encouraged gomen to expedite new GAPH guideline to regulate proper procedure to ensure good quality of EBN. GAPH shall cover 3 points which is farming, processing and exporting. He said at the moment no guidelines (?! is it), everyone follow self-regulation as such causing such problem. So he appeals to processors not to use bleach if any.

I think the question is:-
1. Is that the reason new GAPH only allow few processing companies to operate, so everyone in the country MUST go thru these few companies?
2. What so special abt these few processing companies? Why other cannot operate, if DVS is effective enough to monitor the industry? Unless you say otherwise.
3. These will encourage more redtapes/cronies in short.
Feel free to correct the above. Thks.