anyone here got a BH? successful?

Are you kidding??? So Many and if you asked, anyone here having unsuccessful Bh, you get similar answers, too.......

You must be new and what can we do for you???? Hunting for a successful BH, you came to the right place if the price is great! Nothing in the world cannot be sold.................people with principle are so rare and I am one of those rare but crazy one.

Let me tell you a story, few years ago, 2 JPJ officers stop my car and told me that I was speeding and I protested that I didn't. The officers were very rude and demand my driving license and gave me a ticket and told me that if I disagreed, I can go to court.

I went to my local JPJ ofice to see the Boss here and asked that the summon be cancelled because I didn't commit the offence as stated. The Pengurus told me that the best he can do is to give my 50% discount but I don't want to admit guilty. To pay is to admit guilty guity so I went to court and after 7 times and over one year, I finally won my case. My wife said that I was a fool and those lawyers I saw over the year @ the court house told me that if Malaysia has many people with principle like me, lawyers will be rich. I spend over 3 thousand ringgits for a Rm300 summon.......and driving over 100 km to the court to hear..." Case Postpone to another date"

Everyone has been telling me to pay the summon @ 50% discount but me and my principle and it was really very costly and my lawyer told me that there was no way to sue JPJ to claim all the expenses incurred.

The moral of story is no matter if we are totally right, we sometime need to compromised and settle peacefully or else, we end up being the only loser................... so in case if we need to compromise, I think that we should.....What do you think?????

Depends on one's values
1)Financial - You lost money which is replaceable
2)Justice - You gained in integrity which in some circumstances no amt of money can purchase the opportunity to regain
You walked out of the court poorer but your head held high, a longer lasting sense of achievement that stayed with you that enable you today to recount the story for our benefit. Plus you know in your heart of heart you were right to pursue to it's just end finances permitting.
Do you not think that it's this very mass compromises of ones values that has taken our country to such a shameful state?
I am of course assuming everyone has been brought up the right way to carry such values throughout their life.


This post has been edited by Cergau: May 13 2010, 10:15 PM

[.......continuation]

2 All exports to go through a governing body, to ensure quality and health standards. Presumably incl. price and to carry the "Product of Malaysia"
3 All processing to be done by approved factories to be able to enforce (2)
4 All Swiftlet Ranches will be registered and all produce will be recorded and traceable via RFID.
5 No unprocessed nests allowed to be exported

Interpreted as.....
Only processed EBN shall be exported. Raw EBN shall undergo processing in approved plants.
A governance body shall be setup to ensure quality and health standards in such plants and the EBN it processes.
Processed EBN from such plants are eligible for "Product of Malaysia" labelling and shall be tagged with RFID chips for traceability.
The body shall set pricing of the processed EBN.

Since these are based on assumtion/speculation I can only come out with points in question form......
pls add on or comment

1)Quality and Health Standards
Whose standards. Presumably importing country?
Variable stds for each intended target country?
Require certification from target countries.?
At what cost vs the potential market value?

2)Proposed target market
Any market survey that indicate an unfulfilled demand for such premium processed EBN?
Customers are willing to pay a premium over the ordinarily processed EBN?
What value of potential market?

3)RFID tagging
(Packaging and/or in/on EBN)
Avoid illegal trades in controlled specie? AF is no longer under CITES thus unnecessary.
Establish origin in case of complaints?
Is it established that a after sale servicing is required from the country of origin?
Isn't this a duplicated function of local consumer rights agencies?
Piracy of 'Product of Malaysia' labeling? Brand value is not established.
(the technical questions on RFID on either packaging or on/in EBN is left out and be treated separately if required)
(BHs)
Comment reserved until process and objectives are known.

4)Cost
Application of new lower cost cleaning method?
Scientifically established that new cleaning method does not produces an inferior product?
Costing has established lower than the current labour intensive method?
Cost reduction is not a stated objective.

5)Controlled pricing
Any study on the eventual end product costing that are comparable and favorable to current pricing.
What are the proposed pricing mechanism for the purchase of the raw EBN?
How will the enforcement of pricing be carried out?
New set of laws to forbid non sanctioned buying and selling of either raw or processed EBN?

6)Benefits
How does it benefit the raw EBN sellers.
What other quantifiable benefits?

7)Processing plants
Where are the proposed geographic locations?
Logistics? Distributed selling centres?


8)Exports through governing body
Monopoly of any trade distorts the market and introduces inefficiencies.
Compounded by previous points above will introduce additional cost without any apparent benefits.
Will more likely than not render Malaysian produced EBN be less competitive in the world market.

West Wing is truly a rare species and needs protection from Perhilitan and our Justice System.

I disagree...
WW shd be encouraged to take on ALL injustices so that
Perhilitan and our Court systems reverts to it's right course
Perhilitan and our Court systems will need protection from WW...but I hope the protection fails
why does it take so long, and thus increases the cost of seeking justices
and that shd start with some of the injustices that affect the EBN industry

This post has been edited by Cergau: May 13 2010, 10:43 PM

We all @ forum are rare species but then we are alone cos the majorities are just watching us like as if we are on stage.

That's the problem with our society, most of our raayat are of the tidak apa altitude and think that others will do the job. I have been forwarding and telling my local Association to do this and that but end up mostly not done or that I need to do them. I was telling one of the key officer the other day about the GP and the wildlife Act. his remark was what is the urgency as the GP and wildlife Act are still not here.....just like a ship going to high sea and most of the crews are not prepare for storm or pirates and most of them telling you why worried so much, there is no storm or pirate......

I believe this is not only happening at my town but it is the same in every town.........they will expect someone else will take care of the problem until the fire burn their houses, then they will cry for help and jump up and down.

BHs owners or investors should go to your local associations to urge them to take positive actions and go to the emergency meeting of the Fed Association to push your points thru otherwise, don't blame others when you drown. If you are concerned about your BH, your future and your retirement, do it for yourself and never expect others to do all your fighting for you.

I am going to take at least 3 months leaves from swiftlets matter as I am suffering from a new form of illness........."swiftlet Mania" and need to change my life without swiftlets. Sleepless nights and I am getting old. We have many capable young men like Cegau and others who have the energy to fight. We can depend on you guys and hope many others will join you.

To lose money for Justice and gained respect OR to save money but lost all respect, dignity, intergrity, pride and principle?


Compromise? Compromise with whom and for what? Compromise with Evils and Corrupts? You must be kidding………


I would rather fight to the end with the Evils and Corrupts and kill as many Evils and Corrupts, if not all and die standing with my children and grand children forever proud of their grandfather than knee down like a coward to let them shy and hideaway in life from mocking for being descendents of a selfish, man with no principle, pride, dignity, intergrity and with no balls………….. We only compromise for JUSTICE, FAIRNESS, EQUALITY and MUTUAL RESPECT, but never, never, never, never with EVILS and CORRUPTS. And we fear no one but GOD……….

Well said.
Allow me to put it in a different way to all you folks who come here seeking assistance.
It's the only decent thing to do in return to the kindness of folks helping take your 1st steps .........
IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION....YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

(1)3 months leaves ....?
It's unhealthy to stay away from routine for this long. Too disruptive. This routine kept you alive for so long, breaking it means staying away from things keeping you alive. Logical ?
(2)"swiftlet Mania" ?
It' called LOVE....looks, sounds, encourages craziness. And we all crave for it. Why cure it?
(3)Sleepless nights.....?
Solution- Sleep in the day...in short naps (siesta)...research shows less stress for heart, instead of fighting it and try staying awake
(4)I am getting old..........
Aren't we all. You are not the only one inflicted with this disease. Contradictory. People in love feels young.
(5)young men like Cegau
If I had the pleasure of meeting you, you will probably address me as 'uncle' in return. So you are mistaken.
Reality is, I may not have the continuing pleasure and honour of fighting alongside all the old soldiers here for as long as you had initially thought.

BTW, I was pulling you leg ......I did watch 'THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY' 3 times over 10 years.

Take a deep breath brother!
So, you too need to sleep in the day..posting at 03.26AM???
Are you writing this while on the roof top or
while taking off you mask, cape and costume?
The LOUD way you respond to even a mention of INJUSTICE and CORRUPTION shows.....
What a guy...you fight for the downtrodden awake, asleep, day and night.
Wah, you take EBN every meal AHhh?

On a more serious note......
Take a step back and reflect
WHY do we have to attend to such endless onslaught of repressive regulations?
HOW did these regulations even get to see the light of day?
It is beyond me.

Is it so difficult for the civil servants to think of us as being in the same company MALAYSIA INCORPORATED (MI).
[to be continued......]

The only 'consolation' is there are many other industries suffer the same.

Seafood processing industry http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...72&sec=business, seafood wholesalers where 'special' icebox is mandatory to be taken from one source, local cigar sunset industry which depends on the mercy on income tax dept yearly annoucement whether to treat them equal as major cigrette manufacturers whereby it will be as good as close shop, uncontrolled trawlings by local and foreign fishers even in the present of our marine guards and navy around causing extensive damages to fisheries ground, tender procedures of major gomen projects tat classified 'race' as main criteria ... and the latest world cup betting given to one party without proper open tender and the circus going on and on.

It is untolerated but it is a misfortune that many Malaysians prefer to keep quiet and see this evil force creep into their life. And yes, there is small number who speak out and it is increasing daily. Younger generations are getting more outspoken. Just see number of blogs growing each day. But unfortunatre many prefer to fight only when their backyard caught fire.

Friend of mine who owns 12-13 still continue to build w/o knowing what happen, another one saying all ok in Dato Beh's good hand!? Like to see MCA taikors response when own backyard caught fire.

stay hungry, stay foolish...

working towards a win-win guideline is crucial...however, lots of shit slinging ain't going to help.

i believe the government is fully supportive of this industry, why else would it be worth a mention in the 2010 budget.

for those whom plan to start, get started.
for those whom in operation, reform and comply.

Bobby C,
I can identify with your sentiments.
It is sad that instead of quoting success stories as benchmarks what we can often quote are 'bad examples'.
Yes, the younger set is better informed thus will eventually and collectively reach a critical mass to set a new course for the country.
There is little time for regrets, with the last flame that remain in many of us, we shall light the way for the younger ones to then forge their own destiny.
I hope to see the ship change course to head the right way before my own dim light is snuffed out for good.
Some unsolicited reassurance........
Do not despair, many hopeless battles on hindsight were won just by sheer tenacity and doggedness.
The least we can do is spread the truth as we see it to those without the means to alternative news.
In most cases it will not be far from the absolute truth in comparison to the lies that are spread by the controlled media.

akin to.....
continue staying foolish..
go hungry
this is not even close to an even match
1 side puts zero on the table, the other puts everything on the table
The common objective...MALAYSIA INCORPORATED..or in simple terms ...the nation's good shd be the common objective
To elaborate, 1 side has nothing to lose, the other everything...
We are NOT in competition, win-win do not feature

if there's no shit, there will not be any to sling with, is there?
BIKIN TAK SERUPA CAKAP..... is not a foreign invention imported at great expense
I respect your choice of... comply 'come what may'
There are others would like see more control over their fate and choice of an alternative.
Are we a monopoly to a captive world market that we can weather all kinds of regressive actions?
How will all these top-down mis-guidelines help enhance the industry's competitiveness?
Let's not go on rhetorics!
Explore your strength of your confidence in the government by going through each point in resp to DVS rumoured intentions.
(an assurance that this will not be "much ado about nothing", and wasteful...the "rumour" is a feeler from the originating source)
In any imaginary way or method, play DVS part and respond to my questions?
I welcome rebuttals as I do not for 1 min fancy myself as having a monopoly of smarts on this forum.
an invitation to Shoot! in all my humility.

This post has been edited by Cergau: May 14 2010, 01:30 PM

Yes, we will act when time comes. In the mean time, putting up small flames and carry out small battles.

Never let my daughter says to me one day, 'Dad, why you sit silent and do nothing last time. It is too late to return. Now I have to follow great great grandpa time to migrate and suffer for the next generations to come! Because of the sins of your generation, we younger generations are paying the price now!!'

This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 14 2010, 01:48 PM

In the midst of the gloom, I thought I will share some light hearted moments to spread some cheer
A gem a day keeps the blues away

Najib in Sibu sounds just like a cop/official trying to solicit a bribe
At the gathering attended by some 1,000 local Chinese school teachers Najib also presented financial allocations
of RM15 million for 65 Chinese schools in the district and RM3 million for two mission schools.
The RM15 million includes an allocation of RM5 million to five independent Chinese secondary schools in Sibu.
The remaining RM10 million was allocated for the 60 government-aided Sibu Chinese primary schools.

“I will deliver what you want, you must deliver what I want and you know what I want,”

selected comments
(1)tuan, I tak paham lah tuan, macam mana settle?

(2)aiya, there is a perfectly innocent explanation (PIE) to your somewhat cynical remark about our His C4'ness, the Loser of Jet Engines, the Commissioner (35% commision) of Unsinkable Submarines, the Defender of the Sodomized, the Second Husband of the First Wife, Dear (as in :"Expensive") Leader Na$1b of 1UMNO.
He is merely using his skills to encourage participation of stupid pendatangs from Sibu to vote for him is this Divinely UMNO controlled Demoneycracy. What's wrong with that? Al-UMNOdollarlah.

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?op...s&Itemid=100132

But what happen after you go to court? So what did u get in the end? Did you get to sue the policemen for negligence or even corrupt?

I was once told by a roadblock police officer that i was speeding and i told him to proof it to me. he can't and he said the hiding officer can proof it, so i ask them to sent the Photo as evidence and the summon to my house since he want it. The officer ask me to jalan...

another time when i received a police summon in slim river and saying i was speeding . i wrote them back and said to them that if they can't produce the photo as evidence i will not abide. than they ask me to pay certain amount for the photo and i did as that by post. everything was done through mailing system for 7 months without having me to go to Slim River. After that they sent the photocopy one and i make the payment to them.

i know many people will already just settle with it without even asking for proof.

WW, that was a good principle and you didn't do anything wrong at all. You dont need to compromise for this but you would have to go further to find out what they did so wrong and sue them back.

Arrh, lost opportunity to do it the classic way.
You shd have sent them a photocopied cheque.

A HK resident did that and he received a photocopied arrest warrant in the mail.

[quote=hackwire,May 14 2010, 06:38 PM]
But what happen after you go to court? So what did u get in the end? Did you get to sue the policemen for negligence or even corrupt?

Oh…Suspension from driving, that’s what I get for fighting my case with JPJ, JPJ wrote me a letter demanding that I surrender my driving license to the nearest JPJ office within a week for accumulating 3 summons; mind you that I have 3 cars under my name which my wife and sons may used. So, normally, I just paid the summons as I don’t who was driving at that time………even my friend told me that he at least has over 10 summons each year and he’s still driving……..this is one of the ways the department get back to you for taking them to court; Honesty and principle can’t survive in a corrupted, unfair and unjust world. At last, I was the loser, having to depend on my wife to dive me like a OKU during the period of suspension....luckily, they didn't have my license for life, then I will be OKU for life......again me and my principle and any lawyer here, are you laughing cos guys @ this forum are all Men with Principle and you gonna be pretty rich

No worry, I am me and always be me, a Man with Principle and they can take away my license, take away my money and even take away my life but they can never take away my Principle.....

#no swiftlets matter from me, Doctor's order ie my wife.


One last question……I know that the Fed Committee have met and they went to see MCA President over the matter and what’s the outcome???? I heard that MCA President met PM over the matter, right? Best if someone check it out….

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 15 2010, 07:11 PM

i feel u . they get back to you with all their resources they have and make you payback for your previous mistake.

i know for one thing very sure is that the authority also use thugs to find and locate people's place, vehicles etc as dirty as they could . So you can see for yourself that there's not much different when authority are back up by thugs and thugs are back up by authority.

speaking of principle, somehow there are still people who are still around who surviving on the daily believes . Reminding me of the the movie I am Legend - Will Smith only survivor who are immune to virus.

Anyway, we pity those who are what they are and forever their generation will be always in hiding and never see the sun light before . They smell shit and thought they are breathing fresh air. that's the different i thought so. With better principle , you have better sense of being and sixth sense to guide your journey in life.