monopoly sounds soooo negative...

we should work towards collaborative trading

like how the frenchmen have promoted their wines

should birds nest be equated to wine, then burgundy = indonesian nest and chilean = thai nest and champagne = malaysian nest?

DVS has never been against swiftlet ranching. DVS is probably the only Government Department to have actively encouraged this activity. The ECO park groups had nothing to do with this so don't give them the credit !

DVS recommends stringent controls for the "betterment" of this activity.

I suppose to support such activities in the eventuality that such hare brained ideas do get viable.
Mukhriz proposes swiftlets farming made as an industry under agriculture

Penternakan Burung Walet oleh Aeroswift

AEROSWIFT sounds familiar?
Both located in Sg Tengas, Kedah.

"KUALA LUMPUR 10 Mei - Penipuan membabitkan skim pelaburan burung layang-layang yang mencecah nilai RM400,000 terbongkar selepas Suruhanjaya Syarikat Malaysia (SSM) melakukan serbuan ke atas premis Aeroswift Consultancy Sdn. Bhd. yang berpangkalan di Kulim, Kedah."

http://www.kamalswift.com/blog/

greed businessman like this shouldnt be around in this industry. hope they do release this bird .

The devil sees a cup of water as poison

An angel sees it as nectar

Both are deluded and idiocy reigned supreme.

Fantastic facts and fancies by Patrick Teoh!!!!




This is funny!...nothing beat a good laugh.

This post has been edited by ChanK: May 17 2010, 09:29 PM

The Chinaman sold it twice, once as poison and then as nectar.
The delusion and idiocy was broken momentary when the smell of cash was in the air.
It has since relapsed.
The Chinaman is back again and waiting for the next cup.

Your cup runneth over in utter confusion.

Unexplained laughter is a sign of heart disharmony called ghost syndrome in traditional chinese medicine.

With your preponderance to scolding it is a confirmation of the affliction ;-)

On reflection...what's wrong with bleaching?
Most of your food has some flour in them, and it's bleached.
I recall it's the residual bleach that's harmful.
Why such sweeping statement that bleaching birdnest is bad.
Any analysis done on the birdnest sample?
I recall earlier posting the mainland Chinese pay top price for whites!

If these exceeds the regulated level, charge them with breach of existing laws.
Nothing more nothing less.

easier than convincing....

價格高企成毛賊目標
百樂縣燕屋竊案頻傳

獨家報導：何漢賓
（直涼13日訊）燕窩價格高企不下，百樂縣燕屋成為竊賊下手的目標！

由于燕窩的價格飆升至1公斤超過5000令吉，再加上几乎市面上的燕屋都是無防盜系統的“空城”，結果就成為竊賊最愛的目標，本縣至少已有2間燕屋遭爆竊。

百樂縣燕窩商公會主席韋枝潤受訪時證實此事，並指竊案防不胜防，由于他們必須開洞口引燕筑巢，結果竊賊就由該洞口闖進來偷燕窩。

“更糟糕的是，一些新裝修引燕的屋子一旦入了賊，由于竊賊目的只為錢財，結果就在偷燕窩時，把幼鳥給弄死，很可能導致燕子不再返回筑巢，損失無法估計。”

他在百樂縣燕窩商公會與會員交流時，這么說話。

在與會員討論后，韋枝潤呼籲，要求燕窩商公會的會員裝上防盜裝置，即使防盜系統會非常的耗費本錢，為了長遠的利益著想，也得要裝上防盜系統。

韋枝潤指出，他也會提供一些會員的聯絡號碼給予巡邏隊員，以便如果巡邏隊員有發現到任何的蹤跡，可以直接與燕窩商取得聯絡。

他說，最好的方法就是得要和警方取得良好的聯繫，同時也要自我作好防盜措施，才可以避免受害。

韋枝潤要求燕窩商
引燕聲量勿開太大

韋枝潤要求燕窩商們得要自重，不要因為為了要引燕，而把聲量開得過大，影響到當地的居民。

他指出，至今，他仍接到不少的投訴，燕窩商開太大的音量，甚至長時間開聲音，結果影響到居民日常作息。

與此同時，他也希望燕窩商們可以加入公會，他指出，百樂縣共有上百間燕屋，可是仍有相當數量的燕窩商沒有加入公會。

他說，加入公會加強聯繫，有助于保護燕窩商們的利益。

另外，据了解，由于最近的燕子由于處于孵卵期，結果燕窩商遲遲無法收割燕窩，被竊賊有機可趁。

据被偷竊的燕窩商了解，他定時都有上去巡視，后來，他最后一次上去巡視時，發現燕窩已被人偷收割，而幼鳥也全跌死在地。

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...rt=0514le03.txt


no need us to remind how much is the bn price....basically every month there will be news published and it always remind us the latest bn price...what to do? it is attractive. if u want, just go build a farm and earn it honestly lah!.


and two latest news still complained abt the same old issue : Sound pollution !.

this is another one where owner turn on sounds 24 hr....this for sure will be used by anti farm owner...my guess, the timer is faulty n the owner did not come to check the farm.


全天候播放遭投訴
擾民燕屋音響，拆！
（威南6日訊）燕屋音響違例，拆！
威省市政局執法組今早拆除高淵武吉班卓工業區雙層商店排屋其中一間燕屋誘燕音響，以及一些器材。

該組一行約30執法人員，是在威南警方人員陪同下，上午約9時許抵達武吉班卓工業園雙層商店排屋，並于11時15分完成任務后離開，有關執法行動由拉曼領導。

據悉，該組是接到當地居民投訴，指誘燕音響每天24小時不停播放，干擾了附近居民的生活作息，所以執法組今日展開執法行動。

有關單位再次行動中出動鐵鎚、電鋸及大剪刀進行拆除全套誘燕音響，播音機和3架降溫保濕噴水器等。

據悉，執法單位首先打開該燕屋店前正門和旁門，不料，竟發現燕屋業主在門后建築一道石灰牆堵住入口，他們只有操后門進入執行任務。

the association should distribute stickers to their members and the sticker with association contact no. by doing that if anything happen at least the neighbours can contact the association n complain to them instead of troubling the govt officers as they are very buzy in not doing anything. asking them to do things is troublesome.

This post has been edited by ChanK: May 18 2010, 08:04 AM

Hi all,

i've only recently learnt about this industry when was approached for some kind of investment scheme introduced by a so-called company, swiflet eco park.

i've googled and it brought me to this forum which i found to my surprise ppl have been discussing about this industry since year 2007! to be frank, i've not gone thru all the V1-V2 as i've just discovered this forum yesterday and am too anxious to know whether anyone here, mind to share or render your thoughts and/or some professional opinions whether it's another kind of scam as i really know nuts about this type of investment in swiflet ranching.

thanks in advance!

senSual,
Folks involved in this biz started out DIY abt 10-20 yrs back.
The early day pioneers relied on picking out buildings where the swiftlets were already present. (1st choice)
When such buildings/locations run out, the second wave of pioneers through sheer university of hard knocks learnt the how, where and whats of attracting the swiftlets to these now (2nd-choice) building/locations.
Ever since the practice of 'enticing' these swiftlets began, the failure rate has been consistently 70-80%.
The how, where and whats are broadly known as the micro environmental factors.
Overtime these areas appear as successful clusters spread through the country otherwise known as hot-spots in the industry.

The eco park phenomena are started by
1)operators described above (in the mix will be both the successful, not-so-successful operators and operators turned consultant)
2)real estate developers (and wannabe) and recently in conjunction with politicians and ex-politicians; in conjunction with those frm pt 1.
Their aim is to sell you the property to run the biz with "professional" assistance.

Basic considerations apply
1)if the returns sound too fishy, it's fishy
2)if it doesnt, then your acceptable ROI applies
3)exit strategy require consideration as the same failure rate applies
My 2 bits.....
(I assume no responsibility nor be liable or responsible for any damages whatsoever, including without limitation, special, indirect, or consequential damages arising out of or related to the use or reliance of the information provided, whether by action in contract or tort or otherwise howsoever )

Just to clarify some statement above which might be mis-quote by unscupulous parties.

Remember 1-2 yrs ago there was a shortage of EBN in China due to discovery of some substance in Indo EBN and mik product in China? Malaysia EBN was in great demand and price skyrocketed.

So far Malaysia EBN especially from shophouses/farms reputable for not containing any bleach as the nests are naturally white and clean, used by birds one or twice before being harvested. Aerodamus fuciphagus in shophouses produce 100% salivar nest. Different from the species of swiftlet from the cave in Sarawak, which are mixture of AF and aerodamus maximus which produce black nest mixture of salivar and feathers, or serinti in Indo which produce nest mixture of saliver and grass. Both AM and serinti nests are much dirtier and need intense labour and sometimes use bleach to clean.

In short, bleach sometimes used in cave nests, not so much on nest from farms or shophouses as farm nests naturally whiter and cleaner as it is 'younger'.

Anyway, most people already know the above, just to clarify in case some reporters or anti swiftlet NOGs pick up wrong info and start stirring nonsense again.

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Added on May 18, 2010, 1:39 pmHi sensual,

In this industry there are tons scams and conmen. Those look like sifu, sounds like sifu, does not necessary sifu. Self-proclaimed sifu which can talk till bird walk down from tree lagi dangerous. As u read further, even the pagar want to eat padi!

A word of advice. Just read v1-v2 and learn more before you take a dive. There are so many books around nowaday.

Stocks are risky but do not mean all cannot buy.


This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 18 2010, 01:39 PM

My apologies to all if my earlier posting may be misread as we do bleach.
What I wanted to know for my learning, why the hypocrisy abt bleaching?
Except for rice flour, most flour are bleached!!
If the Indonesians need to bleach some of theirs and there is scientific basis not to, then label it as such.
If they do and customers still purchase them, what's the problem?
My understanding it's not bleaching OF ANYTHING that's the problem...it's the residual bleach that folks take short-cuts on is the problem.
I think the distinction ought to be clearly defined and communicated to the general public.
Else all this 'unfounded fear' will be used by unscrupulous folks to their benefit.
If there are folks locally who unscrupulously bleach their product (as claimed in the initial article), then charge them.

Cos of some bad apples, an industry wide attempt to CONTROL the whole supply chain is UNWARRANTED.
It may seem like a good idea at first, but fatal in the long run.
If anyone wishes to do something similar, then do it entirely as a commercial concern on it's own merit.
If the market is ready for it, everyone will flock to them to do the processing and these will be a commercial success.
BUT NO COMPULSION.

thanks much for the piece of valuable advice - Cergau & Bobby C

am reading up V1 and found very useful infos and interesting too.

There are many types of bleach being used and some of them may form poisonous residues.

Hydrogen peroxide is often used, it is relatively slow, does not get the nests very white but it is nutritionally safe.

Chlorine bleach is being used by some. It leaves a slight smell which goes away after a while. Some chlorine compounds formed may be carcinogens.

There are very many other bleaches used in other industries which may not be suitable for food items.

Basically, the points against bleaching is that it is no longer organically treated. ie it has been adulterated which may affect the efficacy. Since natural white nests which are nicely shaped, fetch a higher price with it's relation to white being more beautiful, (sales pitch) as in nicely formed cups (as in bras), in so doing, by bleaching and re molding, these then are no longer natural but often declared as natural. There might be no objections if these were declared as such but the it would defeat the purpose/price.

Currently, there is no control over the type of bleach used because it is done by unregistered factories hence there is no knowing what chemicals were used, whether safe or otherwise. Similarly, with colouring, preservatives and packaging materials. Some of the many reasons for having registered processing factories.

With registered processing factories, the products are traceable and regular batch testing will identify any potential health issues hence measures could be taken before the product reaches the market. The offending factory could be suitably reprimanded and in doing so, it protects the whole industry.

As in the milk scare, the source was quickly identified and measures taken before the whole industry lost it's credibility.

Hypothetically, under current conditions, if one nest exported from Malaysia was found to be tainted with a poison, it will be likely that all exports of nest from Malaysia would be held for inspection and tests. The credibility of Malaysian nests would suffer a heavy blow. The industry will take a long time to recover as consumers would always be wary of Malaysia.

So, for the future of this industry, registered processing plants would be a necessity to create worldwide market confidence as well as protecting everyone from that one bad apple.

It is unlikely that there will be a monopoly in registered processing plants. It is too easy for suppliers to create problems, enough to close it down. The competition will be healthy. Unlike other food products, the producers can store their nests and with hold selling to the factory. The factory employs many people and without nests to clean but salaries to pay it will soon go down.

tuckfook,
Thanks for the elaboration.
For the greater good and for the longer term viability of the industry I am now partial to some form of product assurances.
My concern over the possibility of a monopoly remains.
I suppose it can be addresses through a transparent criteria and process.
I would hate to see healthy competition curtailed through regulatory means.