How sad……..only 131 signatures……….not even 1% out of 100,000 BHs support????????………I suppose majority are computer illiterate…….they definitely wanted to support except simply not able to do so, no reason why they dun support…….I guess maybe we can get consents of those owners you know and sign on their behalf…..all your family members or partners who are dependents whether directly or indirectly can also sign or authorise you to sign to support the petition…….there is no legal binding……it is only a protest and disagreement……it is only a plea for mercy……………….…..…how sad………………God bless Malaysians………..no more eyes to see…….

Hi I am new to swiftlet keeping. I have just finished reading the thread from v1 to v3 and just wanted to introduce myself here. I have a piece of agricultural land in N9 which is sitting idle and i'm considering swiftlet keeping to utilise the piece of land. Any1 interested in JV please PM me. On a separate note, I have heard 2 different arguments for having external tweeters in your BH. The 1st being that when the swiftlet is attracted by your external sound and come to your BH you need to have external tweeters in your BH to pull the bird to the venture to the back of your BH. The other argument is that you should not mix external and internal sounds inside your BH. Personally, I feel that the 1st argument is more logical to me. Any sifus want to comment?

to kiurin,
normally we practice the 1st option...
so far so good!!!

NOt sad at all, why so sad? expected right?.


My suggestion is, brother n sister, choose a place below, no need rush, got enough 100,000 stick/cross around for everyone.







Well, farewell and good luck to all.

Good video by full monthy.
This is gonna happen soon just like the scenario below but swiftlet houses cannot cry later because they cannot stop to sell bird nest as a protest . YOu still have time though if all gurus make their final rally round before the parliament starts.


Traders to stop selling sugar and oil in protest over licensing rule

KUALA LUMPUR: Traders across the country will stop selling sugar, cooking oil and flour from June 15 over the Government’s decision to licence them to sell these essential goods.

The move will involve some 20,000 members from the Federation of Sundry Goods Merchants Association, which conveyed its decision to MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek in a meeting yesterday.

However, the Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism Ministry will go ahead with the issuance of retail licences.

Dr Chua said that according to the traders, the decision to stop selling these items was a “business decision” as they were not making much profit from these goods.

“It is not a protest. We have appealed to the Government to reconsider and we believe they will find a reasonable solution,” he told reporters after meeting for an hour with members of the federation, led by its president Lean Hing Chuan yesterday.

He said although the federation was fully aware of the rationale behind the licence ruling, members felt that they were already burdened with a number of licences.

“Currently, they are required to have between nine and 11 licences with a total annual fee of up to RM1,107,” he said, adding however that party deputy president Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai would raise the matter in the next Cabinet meeting.

Mr Lean said traders only made a three-sen profit for every 1kg of sugar or flour and 20 sen for every 5kg of cooking oil.

“Selling these items is more like providing a public service,” he said, adding that the Government should curb hoarding and smuggling of goods by monitoring wholesalers and guarding exit points.

He said the federation hoped MCA would help resolve the matter and that it would also rope in traders from other associations to join in the sale boycott if the Government refused to reconsider.

On June 1, Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism Minister Datuk Seri Ismail Sabri Yaakob had announced that retailers needed to have a licence to sell the items, effective immediately.

However, the annual RM10 fee was lifted on Sunday and the move postponed to July 1 in order not to burden the retailers.

Yesterday, Ismail told reporters in Parliament that it would go ahead with the licensing requirement.

“We have compromised already. I do not know what else they want. But I know they do not want to be monitored,” he said, adding that it would meet with the federation to further relax the regulation.

Earlier, he said sugar supply for wholesalers and retailers would be increased by 5% beginning this month due to the school holidays.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jun 8 2010, 08:01 AM

It isn't normal but sometime, it do happen esp. during hard time and in monsoon season.
That's why during the season, many experts will advice you to discard the eggs and harvest the nests.

I disagreed with their views as even many do die but hundred do survive and you have help the ones that have given you the golden nests.

In good time, only birds that have fallen down may die unless that they are lucky that you are there to put them back into the nests.If your BH seems to have such problem, best that you look for the reason why as there are many posibilities such as too cold and maybe predators or that their parents were killed.

My opinion to share.

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Added on June 9, 2010, 10:28 pmNo, you only need to clean the pan or else, your humidifier will get blocked.

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Added on June 9, 2010, 10:37 pmYes, those who have BH or may intend to or have a heart, do help as many active ones here don't even own a BH and they are concerned about the swiftlets and what about you.

Those who benefited and learned from this forum should lend a helping hand by signing a plea for mercy for the peace loving swiftlets and for the future of all fellow Malaysian who have invested their saving into the industry.

I just returned for a long vacation to Guangzhou to have a better understanding of the EBN's market there.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 9 2010, 10:37 PM

yeah im one without the birdhouse but i support you guys because you have heart to preserve the natural beauty of god's gift. At least they don't end up in Philipine as one of the delicacies there eating raw inborn .. . pity the chick.. or even slaughtering Dolphin and packed them as Whale meat for market sales in Japan.

Anyway, can someone tell me what is the best humidity in a room temperature . I know u guys are expert in the bird environment humidity. Im trying to figure out whether to buy a moist humidifier or dehumidifier for my room . I think i got very bad sinus due to too much room humidity or too dry .

so i was thinking whether to get the one with moist spraying out to make it wetter or to get a dehumidifier to dry the over humidity room.

what is the best humidity for human being actually?

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jun 10 2010, 01:30 AM

how about doing some regular exercise? like climbing ladder up n down for at least 100 times a day, i can provides equipment n venue for u FOR FREE. joke.



擬發臨時執照合法化燕屋
店屋燕屋5年後搬遷
（莎阿南9日訊）配合雪州引燕新指南，州政府擬發出臨時執照給每間燕屋以合法化，惟在店屋經營的燕屋需在5年后搬遷。
燕屋合法化登記期限從6月1日起至9月1日，業者可透過雪蘭莪燕窩商公會協助辦理合法化手續。

當局也建議，6月1日以后設立的新燕屋，須申請取得執照后才能興建燕屋，並鼓勵設在農業地。

州政府昨今兩天舉辦燕屋漂白工作坊，邀請雪州燕窩商公會會長拿督郭洪究、顧問李培南、秘書馬瑞來、理事紀榮光和洪文平出席會議，與官員商討最后階的引燕新指南。

較后，李培南在記者會披露，建議中的指南規定，6月1日前興建的燕屋，需在3個月內登記合法化以獲得執照，在農業地運作的燕屋可得到全年執照。

“設在商業地和稻田的燕屋則取得臨時執照，每6個月更新，申請需得到策劃組、土地局、衛生局、獸醫局、水利灌溉局、農業局和古跡局的支持。”

他說，6月1日后設立的新燕屋，需獲得縣市議會的策劃批准，當局將把批准呈給土地局，以在地契增加“引燕”用途。

他說，除了住宅區和機場10公里範圍的土地，距離神廟、學校和回教堂100公尺的地點亦不能設燕屋。

郭洪究：反對店屋燕屋
5年後需搬限定

雪州燕窩商公會會長郭洪究說，該會不能接納引燕指南提出的數項條件，尤其是現有設在店屋的燕屋被合法化，必須在5年后搬遷。

他說，目前州內約有4000間燕屋，90%設在店屋單位，公會反對搬遷，要求保留在原址。

“州政府鼓勵新燕屋日后設在農業地，無需轉換土地用途，不過屆時現有燕屋必須保留，因為沒有技術可使燕子像家禽般搬遷。”

他說，公會也反對禁止在商業區設燕屋，因為一些郊區的商業單位缺乏經濟用途，同業會根據規定去興建燕屋。

“同時，我們要求州政府取消同業被指濫用建築物和非法引燕，接獲的兩張傳票罰款，業者是因為指南未制定，而非刻意犯規。”

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For those who can't read Mandarin ( by the way even bumiputra are lining up to learn Mandarin, why u guys still lack behind?? go to your grandchildrens room and go grab a few kindergarden Mandarin learning books and start learning lah!) that

the selangor govt is going to issue licence to all shopfarms (only to those renovate before 1/6/10)!!! YEAH!!!

and then


the licence is valid for 5 years and after that we all have to move!


and then



all farms not allow at 10km from airport.

100m from housing area, school, temple, mosque not allow to have farms.

all farms in padi field need to renew their licence every six months.



and the selangor bird's nest association said that they don't agree with it.

and they plead (my words only lah) and HOPE that farmers in selangor to register as member to strengthen their position to fight for our rights...by the way, they only have 300 plus members.

so, those interested please contact this no : 016-3225819


and also we are given 3 months starting 1/6/10 to apply the licence to die!

act fast this time.

else we will die NATURALLY instead of Mass Massacre.

Again good luck!

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2010, 09:47 AM

Only apply for selangor?

Good good, vote Pakatan for Selangor for 5 yrs then vote them out thereafter.

5 yrs not long, but not short either esp for those who already reap profit. At least can buy some time. CK you laughing to bank lah.

Huhuhu in other states.


Anyway, anyone can recommend good black water paint with min smell tat will affect walet?

From HACKWIRE:
Anyway, can someone tell me what is the best humidity in a room temperature . I know u guys are expert in the bird environment humidity. Im trying to figure out whether to buy a moist humidifier or dehumidifier for my room . I think i got very bad sinus due to too much room humidity or too dry .

so i was thinking whether to get the one with moist spraying out to make it wetter or to get a dehumidifier to dry the over humidity room.

what is the best humidity for human being actually?

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Hi, Let see if I can help you as I do experienced sinus problem before. It was causde by a friend who has sinus problem and jokingly place his apparatus and pump it into my nose and from that day onward, I have this sinus problem and it wouldn't go away even after seeking so many ENT specialists for a few years........and they even told me that there isn't a cure for it.....but I did cure it!

I learned the way to cure it from the internet selling salt water for sinusitis to pour it into the nose and and allow it to flow into the sinus and then drain thru the mouth.

Instead of buying the salt solution from US, I took a bottle of distilled salt solution from optical outlet and force the salt solution into my nose, each nose outlet hole at a time and let it flow into the sinus and then out thru the mouth..................well, it's work and ever since then (20 years ago), I never have sinus problem again and not even a cold. .............maybe, my birdnests do help alittle bit lah., hahaha

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Added on June 10, 2010, 8:56 pmDo join the swiftlets Associations for your own sake or otherwise, don't blame anyone for what may happened to your BHs. I am not saying that all Swiftlets Associations are good but at least if we are united and in strength, we at least have the power to negotiate or else, doomed day is not so far away......be it @ town or agriculture land. If the Committee of the Association isn't doing their job, kick them out and replace them with people who are willing to sacrifice time for the industry and the love of the swiftlets.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 10 2010, 08:56 PM

除了住宅區和機場10公里範圍的土地，距離神廟、學校和回教堂100公尺的地點亦不能設燕屋。

Uncle CK, i read this news today, and i go to use measure my BH locate near by school and temple, and the result is 98 meter only from school, so my BH also need to move????how to measure the from school?? from school pagar??or building? or road????


please help me ar.......i just need 2 meter only ......then my BH no need move out.....

Dear Sifus,

I am totally new in swiftlet keeping and we are planning to build a standalone BH in Bentong. None of my friends involved in this have any experience in building a BH nor owning one. I have been following this thread since V1 and have certainly picked up some very good points as to how a good BH should be, many thanks to all unselfish gentlemen out there!

As we are working on with a limited budget, we just could not afford to engage consultants... besides those scary stories of some Please allow me to brief on this: The location is approx 4km away from Bentong town, on a piece of durian orchard with fish pond. There are already swiflet activities there during evenings and we think that its on the flying paths as its a big valley there. Genting can be seen there too. There are already 3 or more standalone BH near our place, within 2-3km I think. We plan to build it next to a fish pond, on a slight slope.

My questions to all sifus

1. Is there any difference in terms of productivity of a BH if we build it 2 or 3 storey? excluding the dog kennel.. The other side of the wall which faces the pond have no objects (overgrown trees etc) to block the birds from flying into it. Besides, its elevated about 6'-7' from the pond level. Will it have any effect on its the temperature and humidity?

2. Is Bentong area a hotspot area for swiftlet farming? How potential is this area?

Many thanks in advance!

Dear West Wing,

Thank you.

I also came back from Guangzhou last month.
Just FYI, I was told that the bird nest buying price in Southern part of China is too low.
Because there are too many sellers there.

I was also told that if we wanted a higher price, we should sell in the northern area.


This post has been edited by Tweeter: Jun 10 2010, 11:16 PM

Sadly, it is not only selangor but i am afraid this is exactly what the 1GP is trying to do, whitening the whole industry whether it will affect the nation, whether it will affect the ordinary malaysians.

i don't have time to post all the news up here, so, i will gives u only my summary which i wish i am wrong...

Jan this year, Penang state govt gives extension to those farms in georgetown and the officer in penang told the farmers that please don't be happy as when 1GP is out, you all will have to move out. so prepare for the worst - this comment published in newspaper.

March this year, Seremban state govt instruct all farmers in town to register n to issue licence and the licence is also valid for 5 years and all need to move out after that. same deadline was given which start from 1/6/10. again they said that this is to follow the new regulation that federal govt will enforce which is the so called 1GP.

from all this including selangor state govt instruction...they all already read the 1GP and know the federal intention is to whiten the whole industry....only the fools...which is us that are still in the dark all this while.


hope i am wrong though.

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Added on June 10, 2010, 11:54 pmas for black water paint, as long as water paint and not old stock (difficult to see from outside if it is old stock though but u can go to hardware shop that doing good buz then the chances of getting old stock is less) it should not smell bad. it will take abt one day for the paint smell to go away, don't worry it does not affect existing birds.


i wish i can laugh all the way to the bank though...

wonder what i can do after all my farms are demolished by the govt...

already 50 by then, with no income and childrens still young.

and stuck with so many rotten shops that can't do anything else but continue to let it rotten..

Maybe the govt should just whiten the whole industry by burning all the rotten shops later on.

We are facing the worst timing in Malaysia, with depleting crude oil income as our oil wells are drying up n finish within 10 years...we will have no other way except to squeeze the malaysians for money to survive....no wonder Malaysians are migrating in thousands every year..last year alone 400,000 malaysian migrate to other countries and this figure only includes those who registered at embassy so that they can still collect pensions. it is estimated that just last year alone there are over 800,000 malaysians migrated....

while this group of malaysians are wealthy enough to migrate..how about us, ordinary malaysians?...we can only sit here n watch and wait for the tsunami to hit the shore.

while few already sense it is coming but sadly many are still living in the wonderland....


good luck.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2010, 11:54 PM

[quote=West Wing,Jun 10 2010, 08:46 PM]
From HACKWIRE:
Anyway, can someone tell me what is the best humidity in a room temperature . I know u guys are expert in the bird environment humidity. Im trying to figure out whether to buy a moist humidifier or dehumidifier for my room . I think i got very bad sinus due to too much room humidity or too dry .

so i was thinking whether to get the one with moist spraying out to make it wetter or to get a dehumidifier to dry the over humidity room.

what is the best humidity for human being actually?

[/quote]
Hi, Let see if I can help you as I do experienced sinus problem before. It was causde by a friend who has sinus problem and jokingly place his apparatus and pump it into my nose and from that day onward, I have this sinus problem and it wouldn't go away even after seeking so many ENT specialists for a few years........and they even told me that there isn't a cure for it.....but I did cure it!

I learned the way to cure it from the internet selling salt water for sinusitis to pour it into the nose and and allow it to flow into the sinus and then drain thru the mouth.

Instead of buying the salt solution from US, I took a bottle of distilled salt solution from optical outlet and force the salt solution into my nose, each nose outlet hole at a time and let it flow into the sinus and then out thru the mouth..................well, it's work and ever since then (20 years ago), I never have sinus problem again and not even a cold. .............maybe, my birdnests do help alittle bit lah., hahaha

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Added on June 10, 2010, 8:56 pm
Do join the swiftlets Associations for your own sake or otherwise, don't blame anyone for what may happened to your BHs. I am not saying that all Swiftlets Associations are good but at least if we are united and in strength, we at least have the power to negotiate or else, doomed day is not so far away......be it @ town or agriculture land. If the Committee of the Association isn't doing their job, kick them out and replace them with people who are willing to sacrifice time for the industry and the love of the swiftlets.

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Thank you! thank u!
I thought the first night i discover it was caused by aircond but it is not.
i will try your method soon to get the salt distilled solution.

Vote them out if they are just a re-branded BN.
Voting out a govt just to safe guard your interest is a little short sighted isn't it?
Sounds just like a certain Chinese based party being in BN/Alliance the past 50 years doesnt it?
Dun you think that it is this very thinking that we have all the leakages, corruption, cronyism that run into billions?
If it;s obviously bad, it's bad, one doesnt cover the bad so that the majority good pays the penalty for your bad?
Save your immediate future with whatever means for your children??? What kind of country do you think you will have left your children?
So why does one complain abt the govt spending your children's future away, while you do the same?
Just my 2 bit.

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Added on June 11, 2010, 8:44 amWhat abt bringing the Petition to your local assoc for discussion at the exco level.
Let them make a decision on if they are for or against the Petition.
If your local assoc so decide that they are for, then do whatever it takes to bring it to the attention of their 300 members!
Do you guys actually prefer to treat the symptoms instead of prevention????

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Added on June 11, 2010, 8:57 amYes, do join your local association.
BUT do not stop there.
Raise issues, participate.
Democracy is not practised once every 4/5 years for the country and once a year for the assoc, it is supposed to be practised everyday.
The local association is as good as the active members or if many are active, as good as the sum.
MOST GOOD THINGS REQUIRE EFFORT AND MAINTENANCE.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jun 11 2010, 09:02 AM

[quote=Cergau,Jun 11 2010, 08:39 AM]
Vote them out if they are just a re-branded BN.
Voting out a govt just to safe guard your interest is a little short sighted isn't it?
Sounds just like a certain Chinese based party being in BN/Alliance the past 50 years doesnt it?
Dun you think that it is this very thinking that we have all the leakages, corruption, cronyism that run into billions?
If it;s obviously bad, it's bad, one doesnt cover the bad so that the majority good pays the penalty for your bad?
Save your immediate future with whatever means for your children??? What kind of country do you think you will have left your children?
So why does one complain abt the govt spending your children's future away, while you do the same?
Just my 2 bit.

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Added on June 11, 2010, 8:44 am


In politics, nothing is permanent. There is no permanent enemy. There is no permanent CLEAN party. You can slowly see that even less than 1 term some members already jump ship or hanky panky behind the scene. People like LKS who will fight to the end without a datukship but ISA jail titles already almost exinct. Pls dont just read word by word from the above. Else, agree, it is pure shortsighted. It is good if can have at least two terms to clean up and nail down the permanently those buggers that rape the country. If they were good, then carry on. Else, change again. End of the day, what we like to see is a healthy two party system tats all. How sure are you PR wouldnt turn out to be DN one day?

Yup, population getting lesser. Even own relatives, at least 7 already terminate their citizenship in recent yr. 400k might turns out to be 800k. Anyway, just have to look at brighter sight, live below ur means and plan for tomm. Overseas moon does not guarantee rounder.

For the simple fact that they haven't being in power long enuff to feel comfortable and behave arrogantly towards the rakyat!
They haven't started to behave like it's their right and w/o an ounce of guilt to rip the guts out of the national coffers to line their own pockets.
One doesn't throw away the baby with the bath water.
A bad member doesn't represent the whole party.
Basic diff between the opposing side?
One's fronted by race based parties (though not all) the other isn't.
It's Malaysian own brand of institutionalised apartheid.

Once they behave like the BeEnd, vote them out.

As for the industry...
Read this, they are determined to extract their pound of flesh from the industry for what....
Who'll win - the cronies or rakyat?
It's all slogans and w/o substance.
By the time they remove all the subsidy w/o stopping the leakages, implement the GST and not fixing the fundamentals, we will be left holding banana money.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jun 11 2010, 10:26 AM

Dear All,

FYI. Most of them selling in GuangZhou provience are mostly not our EBD; they are mostly smugle into the country and sell it in cheap way.

So I would think we no need to bench mark their price as they will not stay long in the market..believe me, i have been long enough for the chinese market.

meanwhile I think the most concern part is the future of this industry that we need to stay together and invite more people to sign in the petition to raise the awareness...

is just lucky that the oil leaking issue is not done by the Malaysia giant company, if not, our country will decalre bankcrupt as we so dependent on the crude oil income but may soon come to the end...