Make sense. Also the addition cost to make the groove lines on the aluminum sheet and that still doesn't guarantee the birds can grip on it.

Thanks.

One question, What is your intention to have the nesting plank 90degree corners be cover?

I'm using Stainless Steel Sheet to cover and it measure 200mm each side. The 90 degree still occur and it without any groove. The reason is simple, i'm forcing the birds to made all 180degree nests.

and disadvantage of using aluminium is after a period of time white powder will be form on the surface of the sheet.

Brilliant idea Why I wouldn't think of it in the 1st place. Slippery stainless steel sheet corner cover means no nest at the corner !!!

I only cover the corners at the unoccupied floor. I don't want too many corner nests.

If your BH is new, don't put any corner plank first. Let the birds population grow first. New birds like corner very much. Changes is you may get 4 corners nest compare to only 1 180deg nest. Price for 4 corner nests should be better than 1 180deg nest right. Do what the birds like not what you wish.

!00% agreed with you on the matter..............nests or no nest and if you have follow our V1 and V2 then you should have realised that swiftlets prefer corners, that's matter first.....and if you are to remove all corners initially, your chances of success is much much lesser.

So many failure in new BHs are also due to the facts that they listen too much to the consultants that half cups fetch better price than quarter cup and what if you compare no cup to 1/4 cup, which do you prefer? Most newbizs talk about what better price and better nest without considering that what about no nest at all!!!! Before having eggs, you are already thinking of how much chicken will fetch in the market!!!!

Just recently that I used corner blocks for my BH because all corners are filled with nests so I tried on some corners first ( mind you, 300 corners first as I do not want to cause any reduction of nests) and happily to inform you that they are happily building nest in the same location. Again, just to remind you that 5-10 kilos of corner nest @ Rm3500/Kg get you many thousand of ringgit lah more than enough to keep you healthy, I think.

No offence intended as I only wish all well here and let's be prosperous together, Kong Xi Fa Cai, everyone

It's just a product catalogue. Period.

Do agree with u WW.
That why I made a remark ' What is your intension to have the corner board"
a) to prevent to have corner nests - after the plank full of nests.
b) instead of 90deg now become 135degree.

materials of corner board
a) pvc material
b) wood
c) SSS

Yes, you are right. My birds are currently occupying 1st and 2nd floors and made corner nests and I'm covering the corners of the unoccupied ground floor. When the birds population grow to ground floor, no more corner for them.

No la. From my copy, mostly are basic introduction to swiftlets farming. Only 10% of the book showed picture of equipments needed for swiflets farming.

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Added on June 14, 2010, 7:01 pmA straight faced corner board will produce 135° nests. Let's say if I put up a curved Meranti corner board, the birds will make a rather round cup nest right ? Will the round cup fetch the same price as the 180° nests ?

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Jun 14 2010, 07:01 PM

Sorry to interrupt, am a newbie here and I was lucky to read the V2 of the blog. I was just a second away from depositing money into Hairy's acc for him to come over to Sarawak here to help consult a 2 storey shoplot that I was going to convert into bird house. My neighbour had done his and he said there is no much skills needed and he could do it for me. I prefer to get a pro con as I do not want to invest in sth that only have 50/50 chance to success. Are there anyone that you could recommend me? I tried to look for Ben but do not have his contacts. hope someone could help me here...

hi. i'm dead to some. actually, feel like a zombie... moving without realizing bodily decay.

wanted to share... finished a 30x80ft 3 floor BH... took over from contractor halfway... total cost (just finished keying in bills for the last 2 months) approx RM252,960.10 (not inclusive of land, not inclusive of my personal claims... don't see the need since its mine). At 7200sqft... thats about RM35/sqft. Despite that... took much longer to finish (obviously because i'm no contractor, no exp, in short... dumb. cctv, mist, piping... installed myself. a visitor thought i was an indonesian worker). whatever it is... now legaaaaaa.

Recently went to Surabaya. Met Pak Fatih Marzuki. Met his son in law (post grad in swiftlet management of some sort). Didn't meet the daughter (post grad in swiftlet house structure if not mistaken). Went to his residence, bought some audio. When we think we know a lot... ,meeting people like him really gave me a wake up call. new knowledge. good visit. happy. didn't know drs arief budiman was one of his ex-students. no wonder there was similarity in their audio system.

Cergau's comments in the end of V2... yes... as long as the definition of wildlife is not changed in APHL76... theres nothing much we can do to counter PERHILITAN's jurisdiction. However... i'm happy to inform that the bumi bird house community have now grown more wary of the 1GP, redtape & potential problems that may arise from restrictive policies. some brother in arms are now doing their part voicing strongly opinions about the 1GP, government funding disbursed for the industry (agrobank now has millions, last i heard 49m for swiftlets) and PBT bylaws.

One such opinion was how Agrobank, as an appointed entity to disburse gov funds, should not use such stringent requirements. I know some are negotiable... bu 60% of value of land/property/collateral or 90% of cost of project (whichevers lower) is not facilitative. What they should do is (if they truely want to assist the industry) lower the collateral value... say 10-15% of loan to be taken. Say RM100,000... property or land valued at RM15,000 or FD or something equivalent should suffice. Just a pov. Bukan apa, most owners of BH are aged 50++, established people with money to spend. If they want the younger generation to get involved... this is one way. Old buggers (no offense uncles, the term is used passionately).

Another interesting meet... a bumi producer of birds nest products, mainly air sarang burung. Another thing lacking is assistance for BN products, the manufacturing side. They should abolish such permits for buying & selling. Processed BN drinks, don't really care about size... super A ke, sudut ke... doesn't make much difference. This is something new for me, those who are involved in manufacturing, kindly comment. Might be bringing some friends to the factory in Kedah. Want to match make B H owners with end product manufacturers. No hidden interest so far, just wanna make the industry more livelier, make friends and networking. During the 1st meet we started off debating the difference in quality between house & cave nests... when we realised it won't stop or be concluded even if we babbled for the whole day, we honorably stopped discussing that issue and respected each others view. haha! call me hardheaded.

Aeroswift... i think all know the story by now. Hard to resist saying 'i told you so'. What to do, by chance one of the participants made a report.

Will be active foruming again soon. Apologies to uncle cergau, ww, uncle Lee, CK, CWG and friends.

One nice thing i learned from surabaya (not sure if this is common knowledge or not) is about the piyik sounds or bunyi anak. There should be different sounds of different stages of baby birds. The reason... in nature.. some die due to cold, predators, lack of food. Hence some start growing at different stages thus difference in chirping. So naturally there should be different stages of baby sounds. This may also be a solution for houses that despite the internal environment being first class, the nest production is stagnant (maintaining at 300-400 nests for months/years). Burung kurang aman due to this lack. True or not... please comment. Just sharing.

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Added on June 15, 2010, 12:33 pm
Hi Dunsun,
Welcome back from the dead.
You played the part of the Indonesian worker and ended up visiting Indonesia.
Dont slip into the part of the Blangadeshi labourer else it will take you longer to return.

BTW, there's a Petition on under my signature (visible if you are logged on).
Please read and sign, thks.
Also would be good if this was brought up to the attention of some of your new contacts.
I have written to some Bumi bloggers and 1 of them has placed it on his blog.

News for all,
4 MPs responded to my email and 1 of them (from Sabah) has promised to speak up for our cause in Parliament.
I was told that due to the release of the 10MP, the new Wildlife Conservation Bill will probably be debated in July.
(Dunsun, APHL76 will be repealed with this new Act)
But then, no one will know the pace in Parliament, if not mistaken, the Bill is 2nd or 3rd on the list for 2nd & 3rd reading.
As such do not procastinate, do what can be done now, thanks.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jun 15 2010, 12:35 PM

Welcome back and we should now refer you as Dr. Dunsun or just plain Dr. Swiftlet......just kidding..hahahaha.

Like Dr. DoLittle say," If we can talk to the Animals" then how nice and easy......hope one day, we can truly understand what they say.

We need to do more to inform others to fight this war :

Though might not agree by some but still this is the reality : we need helps from these two organisations :

1) 马来西亚中华工商联合会 (The Associated Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry of Malaysia )

2) 隆雪华堂 (http://klscah.org.my/)


our bird's nest association is just too young and inexperienced, they need extra helps from these two established organisations to help them to bring this up to the TOP POLITICIANS.


help!.


also, we need our bumi friends here to highlight it to their organisations too.


my advice to Selangor Bird's Nest Association :

- Make copies of the news clip and attached with a membership form and send it out /distribute it to all swiftlet farms in selangor to highlight the seriousness of this matter to them. we cannot rely on newspaper (many will miss out on the news).

thts the only way to pull in more members...

any volunteers to help out?

If the association has them printed out.
I will take a stack of them.
I will help knock on BHs doors to distribute or leave it at the gate of BH like sales phamplets.

Hello to all,

I am looking for second hand book with lots of info on bird house design.
Or in other words, bird house design bible.

Those who r interested to sell theirs can pm me
Thanks and happy farming!

刘天球称雪州养燕指南未拍板
燕窝商公会媒体谈话仅属建议
6月16日
中午 12点26分
ronnie liu pc 180809 02雪州政府最近希望推出养燕指南，加强管理近年来蓬勃发展的养燕业。不过，燕窝商公会日前针对该指南的谈话引起混淆，因此雪州行政议员刘天球（右图）澄清，雪州政府的养燕指南尚未最后拍板。

他表示，雪州政府目前尚在收集各方，尤其是养燕业者的意见，共同研究燕屋执照与商店改建燕屋指南，将于近期内颁布新政策。

刘天球今天发表文告，针对雪州政府上周展开两日的“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”，发表上述谈话。

针对雪州燕窝商公会出席该项工作营后对记者发表谈话，指 90巴仙燕屋5年后须搬，以及9月1日前登记才获发执照，刘天球表示，这是雪州燕窝商公会在工作营所提出的建议，尚未成定局。

雪州政府仍在收集民意阶段

他指出，出席该工作营的单位包括市议会代表、土地局代表、雪州城市和乡区局代表、兽医局代表和雪州燕窝商公会。

“在这两天的工作营，各单位都非常积极提出看法和建议，不过我们还须收集和整理有关法律方面的细则，才能完成雪州养燕指南和政策，以便在州行政议会提呈并寻求通过，所以暂时未能公布任何决定。”

未赋燕窝商公会中介人角色

至于该公会表示能够协助业者向州政府登记申请执照，刘天球则表示，州政府目前为止尚未赋予雪州燕窝商公会扮演中介人的责任。

他说明，任何有疑问的业者，可直接联络刘天球州行政议员办公室询问详情，联络电话03-55447150。

根据报章报道，雪州燕窝商公会会长郭洪究在参加本月9日和10日“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”后，向媒体表示，该会不能接纳引燕指南提出的数项条件，尤其是现有设在店屋的燕屋被合法化，必须在5年后搬迁。

他也宣称，燕屋合法化登记从 6月1日起到9月1日，业者可透过雪兰莪燕窝商公会协助办理合法化手续。

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Hope could help those who can't read Chinese.
ENGLISH TRANSLATION FOR ABOVE NEWS:-


RONNIE LIU POINTS OUT SELANGOR STATE BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY GUIDELINE NOT FINALIZED YET, PRESS STATEMENT FROM MERCHANTS’ ASSOCIATION IS MERE OWN PROPOSAL.
16.06.2010
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/134666

Selangor State Govt is hoping to strengthen the control of the ever prospering bird’s nest industry in the state by drafting a state guideline. However, Due to the confusion caused by the recent misleading statement issued by the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant Association, Selangor State Exco, Ronie Liu wishes to clarify and stress that the guideline is not finalized yet.


He stressed that the State Govt is still in the process of collecting data and opinions from different factions in particularly the bird’s nest industry players.


In replying over the press statement made by the Merchants’ Association after attending the workshop in which allegations were made that 90% of BH in town must shift out after 5 years and that licenses would only be issued to those BHs registered by on or before 01.09.10, Ronie Liu refuted that these were proposed and suggested voluntarily by the association itself in the workshop. The authority has not made any decision on this yet.
He informed that the workshop was attended by the representatives from Local council, Land Office, Selangor City and Rural Board, Veterinar, and the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant Association.


In the two days meeting, all the participating agencies had given their opinions and made very positive suggestions. But the authority still needs further inputs and detailed study in particularly to the legal aspect and implication before any decision made for the guideline and the policy and recommendation for the State Exco approval. Therefore, at the meantime, the Selangor State Govt would not in the position to make any official announcement.


NO AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE ASSOCIATION TO ACT AS MEDIATOR.

When queried that the Association is offering to assist the BH owners to do the registration and the application for BH license through the Association, Ronie replied that, up to this moment, the State Govt has not authorized or sanctioned the Association to act as middle man nor mediator. He appealed that if any person with doubt could always call his office at 03-55447150 directly for any clarification.


According to the recent news report, Mr Koay, the President of the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant association after attending the workshop held on the 9th and 10th of June had alleged that the Association could not agree and accept a few conditions in the proposed guideline in particularly to that the shop house type Bird Houses in town must move out after 5 years. Koay also announced that all BH Owners in the state must make registration through the Selangor Bird’s Nest Association within the period from 01.06.10 to 01.09.10.

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Jun 16 2010, 07:27 PM

another good example of who is actually running the show here,

where officers call for meeting and decides on their own what they want to do and by passing their own boss.

thts the reason why.

and selangor bn association kena this time, and their weakness..

till now they cannot get their own farmers suppport to join the association due to few of the key personnels arrogant attitudes...

THey still think that THEY ARE THERE to help us, so you must listen to them as they are more intelligence, more knowledgeble, and more powerful.

but in fact, u are nobody if no one support u.

please be more realistic n grow up and use ur brain a bit.

U need farmers support to SUPPORT YOU so that you can help yourselves to fight for your rights and for others right!.

again this is the same mindset....WHO IS THE BOSS?

hai....

According to this press report, Selangor State Govt are welcome all views and suggestions from BH owner, why don we just send our opinions directly to their office. Tel 03-55447150

i think ronnie office phone line must be overheated by now...

we cannot work individually, we still need an entity to voice for us.

selangor bn association is the only association in selangor that represent us right now, if they are not the mediator that recognised by the govt to represent us then Which Association is representing us?

i wonder what if farmers all join the

The Associated Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry of Malaysia (ACCCIM)

in group and ask them to represent us instead. and we can appoint one farmer to represent us to voice our concerns in their meetings so that they can highlight it to the govt.


will it work?