Similarly a rotten party does not mean all members are rotten.

Even the porn president (as some may call him) have my respect for being rational, dare to speak up when needed and did the right thing in the past where many have failed to do. Even got stripped naked he could climb up from the sh*t hole to become a president. Tabik! Even LKS said good things abt him when he got screwed by his own members in 2007 before stepping down. Real enemies in fact its own members. Similarly, not surprise our enemy are own asshociations heads. Go read history of formal communist party, how many got killed all because of one head who worked with the british, jap and own party.

Again, we human are not perfect, so no point act perfect/hero, or claim perfect/hero or try to be seen perfect/hero. Only end result will proof who is less evil. What we like to hear is what is the rational behind they made tat kind of decisions. Tats all.

oh speaking of the porn president, there's no respect should be given to him because this guy also separates people. Now after holding the president position, so quick let his son into politic. Sor hai!!

LGE and LKS father and son partnership is different because the son earn it when he was detained in ISA....
while Porn actor's son did not because he didn't earn the Porn Award.!!!

Earn the respect first mah!!!

now we look at this Porn president is nothing different than those Umon cronies.

the one we should respect is Chew mei fun for bravery to QUIT. Not CHUA SOI LEK.. u hear me.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jun 11 2010, 03:15 PM

The rationale behind the typical LITTLE NAPOLEONS in Msia civil services doing up the 1GP, the Perhilitan Amendment Acts, etc in this way is very clear. Instead of instructed to simplify the process and procedure to smoothen and facilitate the industry to compete for foreign exchange internationally, they just add in as many rojaks to complicate the matter with some hidden ugly agenda by creating very excessive bureaucratic procedures and red tapes. First, they put up a show to the Ministers and the MPs that they are very professional and capable of handling complicated matter and they are busy doing things. Second, using all this complication created, they can have the excuse to be granted more budgets and allocations for their department to depose. And many of us would know how this budget going to end up into. Everything they do or arrange, there will be kick backs. It has become a known culture. Thirdly, with the implementation of this complicated procedure, they are lots of loopholes and opportunities for the whole department from top to bottom to suck out ‘bonus’ from the poor applicants constantly throughout. This breeds a lot of corruptions. It is similar to the recent RM10 license for sundry shop to sell sugar issue. It is not the RM10 that matters, it is the bureaucratic lengthy procedures and red tapes in the application process that is causing inconveniences and extra cost to the merchants. In order to have convenience, more coffee money would be handed out. A really sincere, efficient, capable, dedicated, professional, competent, honest and have the people’s welfare at heart head of the civil service department wouldn’t have allowed such recommendation. A truly smart, wise, capable and sincere Minister wouldn’t agree and approve that. If the present top political leaders really want to place Malaysia on the world map, it is time that, instead of shouting the unrealistic and bullshitting slogan MALAYSIA BOLEH all the time, they should give priority in looking into grooming and recruiting a new breed of truly dedicated, professionally trained and competent civil servants at the root. Promotion should be strictly based on merits and not seniority in service or who you know. If this bullshitting trend is to continue, I think it is a miracle that BN will survive the next election. Just imagine, even the rural kampong folks are laughing sarcastically and making joke each time whenever someone shouted MALAYSIA BOLEH.

Maybe you should post this, and other selected opinions from this forum, onto the Prime Minister's Facebook page, Najib's Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/najibrazak.

I believe that he actually reads the posts and has been know to take action where he feels an injustice has been made.

Maybe other Ministers have Facebook pages too!

Social Media is a positive power for good, why not use it in our positive fight for the good of the Industry and the birds?

Gosh, pls dont mentioned about tat char bee hoon and 2 stooges again. 3 crying babies combine really capsize the sinking boat even faster!

Go, check out what the crying baby said before 2008 abt isa and nep and what her usual job in pj during her term you will get what i mean.

CSL. No doubt plenty of skeletons but remember during his previous term as HM, he managed to ban usage of illegal growth hormone in pig farming, harmful medicine from china etc. Chinese got the highest cancer rate in the country. Partly because many past HM have been sleeping all the while!
Anyway, he has taken responsible, stepped down and re-elected. What else you want from him?

Disclaimer:- Respect does not mean support

so when does the local authorities plan to issue licences to birdhouses? following up from chank's post.

have the local authorities been briefed?

i got to get my licence soon!!!

What i want from him?
1) take public transport to work
2) wait in queue like any patient in public hospital
3) sent his children to public university.

only a politician does the thing rakyat does, than he is my politician.

if he go out surrounded by bodyguard and parking his car in VIP valet parking, he is not my politcian. if u want to kiss his ass and toe, go ahead. u have your right of your own. to me he is just an ordinary people if i see him upclose. I know some of the pig even got his assistant rehearsing what to read out in the meeting and certain issue cannot even say. the speech even script out by somebody else. who can speak so loud if in MCA????

wake up my fren... give chance you said.. no lah. If Clinton don't step down, USA will not have Obama today also lo.

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Is this book from the Crystal Swiftlets link recommended?

http://www.crystalswiftlets.com/cs42.html

They're selling it fot $20 usd

The book provides basic information about Swiftlets farming. It's good for newbie but not for advance learner though. I have one copy and no longer need it. Letting go at haft price. PM me if you are interested.

[quote=kiurin,Jun 7 2010, 10:07 PM]
Hi I am new to swiftlet keeping. I have just finished reading the thread from v1 to v3 and just wanted to introduce myself here. I have a piece of agricultural land in N9 which is sitting idle and i'm considering swiftlet keeping to utilise the piece of land. Any1 interested in JV please PM me. On a separate note, I have heard 2 different arguments for having external tweeters in your BH. The 1st being that when the swiftlet is attracted by your external sound and come to your BH you need to have external tweeters in your BH to pull the bird to the venture to the back of your BH. The other argument is that you should not mix external and internal sounds inside your BH. Personally, I feel that the 1st argument is more logical to me. Any sifus want to comment?

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My opinion on the matter

You are quite right as you need to pull the swiftlets into your BH but you should only installed the tweeter in the front portion of the interior area and leave the internal sound for the inner part for nesting. The external sound excite the birds too much that they do not rest which isn't what your intention.

What I strongly disagreed with most consultants is that you need inner sound during the night as this will disturb your neighbours. Use only inner sound at night if you are doing in areas which have disturbances like heavy traffic, disco or machinery sound and in agriculture land which do have many unwelcoming sound.

In most of my successful BHs in town, I don't use sound during the night and when the BH have a thousand nests, I totally remove my amplifier as I no longer require the artificial sound as I now have original sound rom the thousand birds inside. Nothing beat the live original sound.

I have proven that without the sound in successful BH, the increment of the nests are beyond expectation..........as always, my little experience to share if you believe.

Dear WW,

My BH has 3 storey, I place external sounds only at the LAL each floor inside the nesting area. Do you think the external sound played inside the nesting area will actually "pull" the birds to the lower ground ? When I was inside the BH, the mixture of external and internal sounds become "rojak" sound already.

Fair is fair, give what is due even if you hate him like mad.

quote=hackwire,Jun 11 2010, 07:47 PM
What i want from him?
1) take public transport to work
This one you have to check what Ah Ong, Ah Choy and Ah Leong Sick what they did in the past 20yrs to our dilapidated public transportation. I also want to know 2) wait in queue like any patient in public hospital
Have you been to the public hospital and see the difference since CSL. Which HM in this history of Malaysia or Malaysia Book of Record that visited 200+ hospital in less than 4 yrs and did the revamp? Our hospital cheapest bill in the world, what else you want to ask? Of course many more have to be done to revamp the system no doubt. Can it be undone one night with the system set up over the decades?
3) sent his children to public university.
His son did med in local uni with 2 of my old frens FYI

So what so good about cry baby Cha Bee Hoon ass then? Cleaning drain in PJ but forgetting potholes and missing manholes cover? Or 10k salary from Azalina as tour guide adviser to Ministry of Tourism? That kind of job not even in MP scope.

Your dream is to have a perfect president who is holly molly meditating 5 days a day, solve all problems in the country in 1yr, tat may be you can call tat Superman in your tv show or may be wet dream when wake up in the morning.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 12 2010, 12:13 PM

[quote=hackwire,Jun 11 2010, 05:38 AM]
Hi, Let see if I can help you as I do experienced sinus problem before. It was causde by a friend who has sinus problem and jokingly place his apparatus and pump it into my nose and from that day onward, I have this sinus problem and it wouldn't go away even after seeking so many ENT specialists for a few years........and they even told me that there isn't a cure for it.....but I did cure it!

I learned the way to cure it from the internet selling salt water for sinusitis to pour it into the nose and and allow it to flow into the sinus and then drain thru the mouth.

Instead of buying the salt solution from US, I took a bottle of distilled salt solution from optical outlet and force the salt solution into my nose, each nose outlet hole at a time and let it flow into the sinus and then out thru the mouth..................well, it's work and ever since then (20 years ago), I never have sinus problem again and not even a cold. .............maybe, my birdnests do help alittle bit lah., hahaha

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Added on June 10, 2010, 8:56 pm
Do join the swiftlets Associations for your own sake or otherwise, don't blame anyone for what may happened to your BHs. I am not saying that all Swiftlets Associations are good but at least if we are united and in strength, we at least have the power to negotiate or else, doomed day is not so far away......be it @ town or agriculture land. If the Committee of the Association isn't doing their job, kick them out and replace them with people who are willing to sacrifice time for the industry and the love of the swiftlets.

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Thank you! thank u!
I thought the first night i discover it was caused by aircond but it is not.
i will try your method soon to get the salt distilled solution.

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Remember that you need to tilt your head so that the solution will flow into the sinus and then it overflow the right side into the left side of the nose and repeat it with the left side of the nose to the right side of the nose. Then, it will cause you to sneeze and out go the mucus and all. With first try, you will feel the hugh improvement and you may need to repeat it again if you feel alittle bit of discomfort in your sinus area as it may take a few times to cure your sinus problem and after that, no more sinus problem for you as the passage to your sinus is naturally closed as there are no more virus or bacteria present in it.

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Added on June 12, 2010, 2:56 pm[quote=Ivan Ho,Jun 11 2010, 10:47 AM]
Dear All,

FYI. Most of them selling in GuangZhou provience are mostly not our EBD; they are mostly smugle into the country and sell it in cheap way.

So I would think we no need to bench mark their price as they will not stay long in the market..believe me, i have been long enough for the chinese market.

meanwhile I think the most concern part is the future of this industry that we need to stay together and invite more people to sign in the petition to raise the awareness...

is just lucky that the oil leaking issue is not done by the Malaysia giant company, if not, our country will decalre bankcrupt as we so dependent on the crude oil income but may soon come to the end...

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I went there and found that:

1. Most of the nests are infact smuggle into Guangzhou from HK.
2. Most the the nests are of the Indonesia type as Guangzhou is famous for the cheap type of EBN.
3. Most the EBN are of 10% wet in Guangzhou.
4. We have a one whole floor in a complex in Guangzhou all occupied by Malaysian supposedly selling Malaysian EBN but found to be selling mostly Indo nests as they are much cheaper than those of Malaysian's nests.

Above are my findings if I am right and those people I met didn't lied to me.

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Added on June 12, 2010, 5:09 pm[quote=aeiou228,Jun 12 2010, 09:54 AM]
Dear WW,

My BH has 3 storey, I place external sounds only at the LAL each floor inside the nesting area. Do you think the external sound played inside the nesting area will actually "pull" the birds to the lower ground ? When I was inside the BH, the mixture of external and internal sounds become "rojak" sound already.

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If that is the case i.e Rojak that you need to examine your tweeters arrangement as they are not fitted correctly. Anyone in the buz, familiar with BH setting will easily fix your problem for you. A kind word of advice, external sound is often louder than the internal which is smoothing to the swiftlets.

My little experience and understanding to share with you, my friend.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 12 2010, 05:09 PM

haha... sorry i don't hate CSL but honestly he did nothing for anyone. u can kow tow to him or whatever it takes to change the politic.
If this guy really honest, than step down and do more charity work and settle down. do more good than bad. give freshman a chance to lead .
how old is he now?

what im saying is that i want to see how i like my politician to be but you are saying something, somewhere ,somewhat else just to bulldozer the road for this person. Let him earn it his way. sorry but not now.
ok at least i know his son is studying in local univesity but how many chinese students were dispose to subjects that they can't get ? u count lah??? u want stories, there are thousands of them scattered around . many poor chinese just accepted it as lucky enough even if their dream is to be somebody one day.

but im not going to talk just on one race which is only chinese. ask uncle chua first to shut the perkasa and the utusan first. can he do that? im sure u have your 5 -10 years timeframe for that... i think you might want to count how many times MCA have won in Selangor or in other states. Can still be trust ah? Peace
Time to wake the GIANT up.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jun 12 2010, 09:18 PM

That' wishful thinking, party system does not allow breaking ranks.
In the corp world it's known politely as concensus.
Even a good guy as you term it will have to compromise.
In some democracy they do, but still largely frowned upon and will soon fall out of favour (even in the US)

It's further compromised by being in an alliance where the alliance view may reign supreme.
Unless that good guy is as powerful as a past PM and at the top of the pyramid.
Thus your point may theoratically be correct, but realistical incorrect.
Good guy personal interest take the backseat I am afraid.
Only at the ministerial level some leeway is given in allowing some of the goodness to show through.
In our case this is where it is lacking?

They dont qualify for being good let alone perfect .No one asking for perfection,
Breaking ranks to stand up against the obvious bad is sufficient, it's not happening.
We have seen resignations in the past over principles.
If it's happening behind closed door, yet the evil is pushed through, the party and it's members have sold their soul.
Since it has happened for so long and continue despite exposures both officially and unofficially, there is no 2 ways about being bad.
And we are not talking about a last minute snap decision.

I don;t wish to go personal on the politicians.
We are in agreement, it's what's produced that counts.
I dont care 2 hoots about their personal life.
If you read their tweets over a day, you know how hard some of them work.
I dont envy them nor their life.
If they steal from the rakyat or act in bad faith I do.

Er...hm...!
Gentlemen....sudah terlampau off topic liao lor....

Ok, Sorry lah.
A good point deserves a response mah!
Let get bk to birds.

Dear Sifu
I'm planning to cover up the nesting plank 90° corners just for the ground floor nesting hall. There are so many options I can use. From wooden corner boards to curved aluminum sheets. I'm considering aluminum sheets because that's the easiest and cheapest option. What is the ideal length to cut the aluminum and what are the disadvantages using aluminum ? Is there any better way to cover the corners ?

I , too believe that we have gone too far and really out of our topic and that's concerning swiftlets. That's one of the reason that I am not involve at all. We need these politicians to help us in our fight and yet we condemned them like criminals. Please give due face to the ones that we wish and hope that they will lend a helping hands. By criticizing and making Badmen (not Batman) out of these Politicians and after that, do you still think that we will be able to get their supports and if you are one of them, will you still help us after reading what we have said???????

CSL has infact given the Fed Association the opportunity and time to listen. He promised to look into the matter as it do concerned the raayat and our future esp. the chinese which he seem to be very concerned and that's good. If they have tried and did not succeed, do we want their head on the platter? Whether CSL has infact help his son to a cabinet post or not, which father doesn't want to ensure their son do have a bright future...........if not, then, he isn't a good father at all. So what CSL love beautiful women, I do and which Man don't?????????? He was unlucky to be framed and stupid to admitted for he should be like the famous lawyer who said that, " It look like me and sound like me but it wasn't me" then CSL will still be OK and still clean.

Look around, LKY did the same, so have so many other politicians including the oppositions ( need I mentioned names). Whether if he is a white or Black Cat and if he catches rats, then he is a good cat to us...do you all agree?

So, please put our politic aside and concentrate to our goal and that is to ensure that swiftlets be allow in town or anywhere without any hindrance and let prosperous together.

Sorry that I also got involve in putting the forum in to Political matter....my sincere apology to the forum.

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Added on June 13, 2010, 2:12 pmFrom a simple man with some experience in the SSS industry,

Since you are only concerning on whether or not that you should have a wooden block or aluminum sheet then my opinion is that you should have the meranti wooden block as the aluminum does not allow the birds to has a grip on it to enable the bird to built its nest properly.

That's my personal opinion on the matter concerned only and other may has difference opinion to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 13 2010, 02:12 PM