Hi S4ever

Are you guys worried about the guangming article will have a big impact to Malaysia as majority Msia
EBN relied on China market?

So price coming down again? That will be bad after the not so long nitrite in blood EBN. Looking at the
so-called blood nest color is frightening. Honestly, are they such blood nest in reality? I mean those
with dark dracula color blood nest. My apology to those who are in blood EBN.

Enzyme and filter water really can reduce the nitrate content Then maybe by soaking the birdnest in
EM water can help to reduce the nitrite level??? But then EM is good in neutralizing odour, will it remove the
birdnest's natural aroma???

I used to use EM to make organic fertiliser. It is good. BTW, what enzyme we are talking about in bird's nest
please??? Is it just fermented EM?

Where can I check on the latest status on our government negotiation with the China government please?

Thank you all for your advice.

Cheers

My apology for not making myself clear when I am promoting EM at source. EM is used to eliminate and control ammonia, ammonium nitrite and ammonium nitrate chemicals inside the droppings so much so that minimum level of nitrite/nitrate contents kept in birds nests.

For government negotiations, former MCA chief Ong Ka Ting was tasked to lead the group?

Hi everybody,

Newspaper printed that an 1GP course is being organized in the town that my second BH (shoplot under construction) is located.
The fee is RM400 per pax but I am concerned if it is needed for future license application since Johor have not finalise the license application procedure if I am not wrong.

Please let me know if you have any updated information about the current status of license application in Johor.
Thank You.

In my opinion,

1. The price should not drop as most buyers in Malaysia are Indonesians or their Agents.
2. The price will drop because the Buyers will try to capitalised on the matter to earn more.
3. The culprit and the main producers of fake nests are the Indonesian and some of their Malaysian agents and by tarnishing Malaysia nests reputation, the Indonesian Buyers/HK Buyers gain the most as they can again monopolized the China market like before as they have been doing it for century thru HK.

Malaysia Authorities should and must ensure that only pure Malaysian nests can be exported to China and not from Indonesia thru Malaysia. Make a Law to jail those who export fake nests to China and do include a ban and a hugh fine to deter anyone who try to be funny and cheat. Many Malaysian send their nests to Indonesia to have them clean and who know what is included in the returned nests.....your guess is as good as mine.

No offense to those readers who send their nests to Indonesia for cleaning as we cannot assure of quality if they are done in a foreign country. Import the cleaners from Indonesia if we do not have the skilled workers and I heard that there a processing outlet in Pahang using orang Asli maiden to do the cleaning of nests. This way, we can help the orang Asli to be employed and help to safeguard our export of EBN industry.

Why should sodium Nitrate and sodium Nitrite be an issue ?

These are known to form carcinogenic compounds when cooked at high heat with meats especially, which does not happen with EBN.

Both these compounds are currently being used as preservatives in a variety of meats and vegetables.

So why does it affect the EBN industry ? Is it because the processors are adding these to preserve the EBN or because Sodium Nitrate also turns EBN reddish, as in corned beef ?

It is clear that the levels of these 2 chemicals is not natural and has been added by someone along the chain of supply. These are the people sabotaging the business.

Moreover, both, nitrite and nitrate are soluble in water so soaking and washing before cooking will eliminate most of these 2 chemicals.

It is obvious that someone is trying to manipulate the market.

So, why are the Associations not actively correcting this problem ?

This is where the Malaysian MOA and DVS should take action to educate and negotiate with the buying countries. It will be normal to set acceptable standards for these finished products to be exported.

We have briefly touched on this supposed 'issue' some pages back.
We now have the politicians and the mass media stirring it up again.
Instead of educating the public (both local and foreign) on the facts, they have taken upon to resolve it with full press coverage thus reinforcing an non existing 'problem'.
Timing of these events are rather convenient...
1)GE around the corner...an opportunity for politicians to appear 'caring' and come out smelling good.
2)remember those pre-approved processing plants...justifications for whatever they now demand.
3)artificially depress the price and make a killing when the 'issue' is resolved.

may i know how to register and when and where is the course.

thanks

Haha I can't find the newspaper in my home so had to search the website until my eyeball pop out.

Here is the article
http://www.chinapress.com.my/node/236986

The other day I went to my father's oil palm estate and saw a hell lot of swiftlets flying around. I was amazed. I'm gona suggest my dad to start swiftlet farming as a side business.

Good points there, TF and Dato shouldn't has gone to the paper cos people in China also read Malaysia news!!!!!

Red nest, those pig skin and other additives are old news and it's how the authorities want to deal with the matter only....

Old news from China, date 04/06/2011

http://dagong.iflove.com/news/11/06/04/ima...702-1376852.htm

The last line read
"中國《食品添加劑使用衛生標準》（GB2760-2007）嚴格限制亞硝酸鹽僅作為肉類等少量食品的護色劑，限量為70毫克／公斤，其他食品（包括燕窩）不允許添加"

According to China food additives health benchmark(GB2760-2007), only 70ppm/kg of nitrite/nitrate is allowed to add to the meats and other limited food items to preserve the colors. Not allowed on bird nest.

If you care to read on other lines, China is going to come out with the state-of-the-art technology to differentiate true from a fake bird nest...

The title read GUANGZHOU DISCOVERED IMPORTED COLORED "POISONED" NESTS -hit by new lead poisoning scare

The Association news yesterday read that you don't have to sell your bird nests at low or if you like, manipulated price...can't remember which paper though.

This post has been edited by swift4ever: Jul 29 2011, 09:49 AM

It is only my guess that the major importers are gearing towards importing RAW EBN and as a means of stopping our MOA from banning the export of raw EBN, they rightfully claim that nitrates and nitrites are being illegally added to exported/processed EBN.

When raw EBN is imported into these countries in large quantities, they will benefit from all the associated downstream processes, including adulteration and coloration.

Malaysia will lose on the cleaning services of about USD250/kg. x tonnes exported...

just speculating.........

I think this can be good in a way, most of the processing are done by Indonesians anyways, and they were and still are the ones that come up with all these dirty tricks to maximize their profits.

Most Malaysians cleans bird's nest on a small scale only, in fact if China suppliers import raw BN straight from Malaysia we might even get better prices than what Indonesians pay us.

Have you meet China EBN Buyers in Malaysia.......all they want is white and whiter and big nests and they are not interested in light brown or small nests.

They want to buy @ prevailing market price cos they come with buying agents. They don't understand or could care that nests exported to China have been processed or bleached. First of all, Malaysia Federal Birdnest Association should educate the Chinese that raw nests aren't cotton white and the best nests are mostly light colored brownish and not those pure white and 1 cm thick nests. Most natural nests will come with a little shit inside, some feathers and stain and only thru bleaching will it goes away.

Although with proper maintenance @ BH, one can get better nests but not those you see @ some shop. I even saw in Singapore that a medical shop owner drying birdnest (washed) under the sun. Oh God, by the look at the nests will tell you that they are 100% faked nests and Singapore Govt. used to be so strict with health regulation didn't take action.

Once the Chinese understand and know the true color of nests, will they accept birdnests as they are without insisting on whiteness which maybe harmful to health. It is the educate them to know what they are buying instead of accepting the advertisement as the truth. Even now with some many negative news on Red nests, the Chinese still think that Red nests is the best for health.....With so many advertisements using film stars and popular singers saying" I eat only Red Nests" . To them, Red nest best then cave nest and last only own house nests.

Good post sifu ww, the misconception of red nests being the best actually came from the Ming dynasty book 本草纲目by李时珍.

And they even believed that the long textured fibre of bird's nest comes from fungus that they ingest and then regurgitate to build nests. Anyways, in the internet age I think ppl are starting to become smart. I have friends/clients from China/Taiwan that only buys some unprocessed nests from me when they come to Malaysia.

Which is why I think it is good that they know the Indonesians have been fking them from behind for hundreds of years, as they add all these poisonous stuff into the nests to make it RED or SNOW WHITE while reaping millions off them.

This post has been edited by northface: Jul 30 2011, 06:13 PM

Anybody tried out the Nemolizer Premiere Sound? Is it effective?

anybody try love potion before?

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This post has been edited by ttw9388: Jul 31 2011, 02:10 PM

hi guys! just need to ask for my fren who is interested to export birdnest to china, does the buyer there need any permit even if they collect it here f.o.b.?

lazy to see all 99pages if this has been discussed before...

thanks!

To safeguard the quality of bird nest and maintain the price of bird nest exported from Malaysia, counter-trade deals involving governmen-to-government transactions should be considered otherwise If raw BN falls into a wrong hand in China, fake and adulterated BN will still be an issue. Just my 2 cents.

according to 1GP, the seller/expoter needs the permit. corerct me if am wrong.