Sure thing, try not to build BH above makan shop or next to one and you may experience the same difficulty like a friend many years ago.

Case history: Years ago, a BH owner built a BH next to a Chinese Restoran and since than, no bird for more than 2 years and finally, he understand why. The exhaust out of the makan shop facing his BH. He appeal to the maken shop owner to allow him to divert the opening of the smoking gun away from his BH and although not very good, his BH do has birds staying and increment and inprovement since the diverting of the smoking gun.

Experience to share.

the 2 files are about 4GB each or can split to about 50 files of about 100MB each. Only useful if you want to study how the birds fly within a confined space otherwise boring.

Do pm me link of 'innovative' planks.

Hi Sifus

Read in Star paper dated 2nd Aug, Chua Sok Leg said the price has dropped to RM1K to RM2K per kg
Is it true? Actually who and which body determine the market price if one need's to check on the daily price? Is it
determine by the Birdnest Association? If so, can I have the website please?

Please advice Sifus

The price is determined by middleman/agents for exporters in HK and Indo. They are the biggest players in this industry as they have been doing this for decades.

There is no website like lowyat with a price list to check price of BN as far as I know. You call up a few middleman/agents you've dealt with before and you'll get an idea of what the current market prices are.

Hi NF

thanked you for yoru prompt reply.

Frankly speaking, I am still studying BN market before I venture into it. It this case, the price
is control by a few players and they monopolise the market. Farmers are at their mercy.
BN association has not problem with that? Shouldn't the association do something about the
pricing to protect the market? As always farmer is at the mercy of middlemen?

So the price in Star paper could be right. That is a disaster to farmers, isn't it?

May God bless BH owners.

Maybe more experienced sifu like ww can answer your question in detail.

But my experience is the BN association in Malaysia are very fragmented, every state has their on association, some town even has 2. (if my memory serves me right)

Who is CSL?? He isn't a buyer so why listen to him. He may just want to scare you all to beware of trying to cheat using pig skin and friends!!!!

The main end users are China and HK and they have been dealing with the Indo for years. Our main buyers are the Indo and they determine the price but you can try to not sell low and hold back until a better price being offered but you alone isn't enough. Alas, we have among us, many BH owners having many BHs willing to sell at low price and not keeping for a better price. EBN is the same like rubber and oil palm and they all depend on supply and demand. and they are many manipulators trying hard to destroy our confidence and ability to export.

When some bad news spread and panic selling is the news!!!!!

Sifu ww is still the most experienced

I'm not selling any of my nests ATM as well because the news will cause only a short term price shock.

Once moon cake festival nears and soon Chinese new year these middleman will need raw bird nest's for their HK and China partners the price should come back up.

I am intereasted to see how the birds fly, but 4GB is BIG. ;D

I have pmed you the planks, not innovative though, it just that I wonder it's going to work, but it is really cost saving. Also send you a very very simple drawing for the BH structure, which I think is creative.

Thanks ya!

Consider carefully, does a staircase design really increase space or create more work and space for all the things we do not want, like cockroaches and lizards and rats ?

News on Getting zero nitrite level in bird’s nest impossible

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3607&sec=nation

“Nitrite can also find its way into the bird's nest during the cleaning stage as the use of reverse osmosis water has been found to increase the nitrite level,” This is news, hope we can have more information how this thing come about?

EM is encouraged to use in house to reduce nitrites level..

If it's true, it still has no much effect on our birdnests as

1. Less than 10% of our nests is processed locally
2. Most of our nests are exported to Indo as Indo higher grade nests so it shall be considered as Indo nests as is not include in the Ban anyway.
3. Most of the Indo nests are to HK and then to China which is never affected by any ban.
4. If our processed nests contained unhealthy chemical, it's the processing industry that need to toe the line and someway, somewhat, somebody is playing dirty and cause concerned in China or someone is trying so hard to destroy our export of processed nests or someone having hidden agenda like trying to monopolies the market for themselves.
5. Our Malaysian nests was given the green light and tax free by the chinese govt. then and all other Asian countries are not allowed tax free but what and how come that our nests now have problem with the Chinese authorities.
6. Somewhere, somehow and somewhat, something fishes is giving bad smell to our nests and this Malaysia Govt. must look into.

yeah totally agreed with you sifu WW. But looks like lack of action from our govt.
They only talk about the problem but nothing on solution to solve this quick or somebody
don't want to solve this so fast. I heard that CSL has the most BHs in Johor.

Looks like somebody is trying to monopolise the M'sian market. So much talk about govt
wanted to increase the world export market share . This is what Msia boleh about.

Why Ka Teng was choosen to mediate in this matter (mentioned in earlier posting)? What
is the MCA being deputy Agri Min doin? zzzzzzzz

WW is there any reason why the BN associations do not group together to nego with china
or give pressure to govt to solve this problem? Looks like every state asso works on their
own or are they all zzzzz assoc???

Cheers

Guys, want to ask something. For those who reach their 1st 1000 nests, what is the increment of the nests after 1 year later? Im having hard time to determine when to harvest. When i see the new swiftlets still stuck on their nests, people say wait 1-2 weeks later only then harvest. It is true?

One more thing. Do you guys declare your income aka pay tax through bird nest income?

This post has been edited by mois: Aug 4 2011, 01:49 PM

Very Good!!!! If everyone here is asking similar questions then we the pioneers here have succeed in helping all in building successful BH as we now no longer discuss about problems in getting birds to stay but how much is the nests worth and worried about the decline of price.

Now, better still that you mentioned about reaching the 1K nests ...that's the golden mark and it shall be better increment on the way if you do breed birds, my friends.
You now have your own source of supply without the need of begging for birds but with contribution from other BHs will definately be a Bonus.

What the increment? Different results in different places but definitely be better than before so no figure. When well developed swiftlets hang by the nests, its about time that they will fledged but do give them a week and then harvest. During harvesting, you will see many birds nearby that fly away and you may harvest these nests too and don't worry cos if they can fly off withour dropping on the floor; they are safe and should be able to fly out in a couple of days.....

Those swiftlets that drop down should be put back into their nests cos the commotion cause by you that make the young swiftlet fall and it's your responsibility to place them back into their respective nests. A kind and gentle heart will definately bring more wealth and joy to you.

For your last question, pls. declare your income from the harvesting of nests as they are coming and will see you very soon.......don't also not forgetting to declare your expenses that will end up .....not need to pay for the first 3 years....... I guess.

Oh. So i will try to harvest again next week.

For income tax, we declare under individual income right? Mind to share more about it? I got zero knowledge on this. The buyer pay in cash/cheque without proper bill/invoice whatever it calls. And sarawak bird house do not have licenses. This is still a problem. No license = not need pay tax? It seems like asking more trouble if i want to declare income.

the price posted 1k-2k doesn't match the price we saw on indon forums and also the price transacted. wonder where does this 1k-2k figure comes from?

agri/vet dpmt shall deal with the exporter that caused the red nest problem. investigate and gantung their license etc. sue if needed. but from what i heard, the buyers from china usually are the one whom ordered red nest and know what is happening to them but chose to do so because of higher margin.

Buyer just quoted Rm4100/Kg today but I will only sell at Rm4500/Kg.

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Added on August 4, 2011, 3:29 pmWell, keep a book to prove that you have keep record or else when they call on you, they will do their own assessment on your BH. Just keep the account book at hand in case they do call on you and record down also your expenses. How much that you get or you do it all depend on you cos you are the only one that know how much and how many that you sold and no one else know, right?

Hope that I need not draw the intestine of the chicken, hahahaha and if you still fail to understand my breeze, pm me for further clarification, pls.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 4 2011, 03:29 PM

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...1843&sec=nation

To tighten the check and control of bird nests import from various countries, China govt ruled blanket ban probably because it is easy to follow, easy to implement and reduces confusion but it is definitely not fair to small producing nations like us, Thailand etc.

As said earlier, market players will find all opportunities to bring down the prices of all products, raw or processed whenever they can. With the current uncertainty over the food poison scare, it is natural that interest groups will seek the opportunity to create havoc for their own advantage.