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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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BirdNest_Satay
post Dec 14 2010, 01:23 AM

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Hi all,

been reading these 3 threads for the past 2 weeks while my rented JV BH under reno.
Still have last 10 pages from v1 and 122 pages from v2 to read.
Good to know more about the history and not-so-glamorous side of the BN industry.

It's my first time doing contruction work, really surprising how much labour and nails it take to flx up those wood.


Thanks to all the seniors helping us newbies for free. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 20 2010, 06:00 PM

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Hi all,

my JV BH is nearly complete with 1 week+ more of finishing work to go.
The purple "taiwan humidifier" is much bigger than I expected from the photos I seen online.

Is there anything to modify on this equiptment ???
I have seen in the earlier pages of V1 and another blog that it can cause the cement floor around it to become "wet".
There are solutions such as circular styrofoam cutout, plastic bottle cutout, T shape pipe but my mentor say don't need to put.


Thanks in advance.
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post Dec 26 2010, 03:35 PM

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Hi all,

anybody heard of HAUNTED bh ? brows.gif
Last week at night I went up alone with a small torchlight and a standing bag of cement scared me until legs gone soft. rclxub.gif


My partner asked his friend about CCTV and heard there is a monthly or yearly license fee of some sort hence stopping his purchase.
Is this true ???

If needed I might have to DIY a periscope to peek at the staircase entry airwell from control room during daytime.



Thanks

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post Jan 13 2011, 08:24 PM

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Hi all,

I just received news my new BH got complained about the noise, but didn't say specific which part or direction.

Last week we have checked day&night both internal and external volume to be at correct levels.
I had personally tuned the internal tweeters to the 2nd lowest notch which sounded as if normal bird volume.
The external tweeters were not tuned by me, but my partners said only can hear little bit at ground floor.

Gonna make a trip there ASAP to solve this, so is there anything specific that I should lookout for ?
Maybe the timer or amp volume not accurate/consistent ?
Styrofoam + ceiling board + half closed window -> not soundproof enough ? really need bricks?

Thanks in advance...
Really paiseh disturb other ppl doh.gif Im worried if next warning come again means TheEnd for me

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post Jan 14 2011, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(swiftcurrent @ Jan 14 2011, 10:19 PM)
suggest you double check the timer program for your external tweeters especially if you are using digital timer. sometimes there is overlap and the amp is still switched on throughout the nite. A power outage can cause timers to be out of sync.

also try to go around the area during the quietest part of the day ie. at dawn or midnite , if you want to check the loudness of your bh ext sound.
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Thanks for the response.

Currently we are using the wall socket analog timer with a round dial to push in the small 15minute ticks.
7:30am to 7:30pm

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post Jan 17 2011, 12:39 AM

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Hi everybody, I have 4 questions sweat.gif

about how much does a retractable alluminium ladder around 6-7m cost ?

I think it would be a worthwhile investment rather than using DIY wooden ladder for access to the entry hole and rooftop.
Safety and weight issues are the primary reasons for this.
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My partner insist on applying the pheromone but I would like to avoid buying from NT in JB, any other place to buy ?

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There are currently a few buckets of fermenting wet guano in paint buckets placed on 2rd and 3rd floor.
The 2nd floor bucket have tiny black flying insects while 3rd floor bucket have white crawling maggots inside, are there any precautionary steps I should do next ?
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The row of shophouses where my BH is located have pigeon-on-roof problem.
We have tried to seal up all the visible entry holes above our unit but the pigeons returns to roost near the swiftlet landing strip.
In a desperate attempt, we had to on ext and internal tweeters to discourage the pigeons from eventually entering even when the incomplete BH was lacking the correct internal bird song .mp3 thumbdrive.
The most recent visit we spotted pigeon droppings directly below the swiftlet's entry hole.
I have read on some blogs about certain products such as electric wire, razor wire, pigeon spike carpet but I don't want to turn the entry hole into a dangerous place.
Is there any solution to this problem ?


Thanks in advance, hope to contribute in the future when I have experience.
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post Jan 20 2011, 08:32 PM

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My dad read the newspaper about some kind of regulation is out today ... is it the 1gp ?
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post Jan 21 2011, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Jackygwh @ Jan 21 2011, 12:15 PM)
what paper ?? can post here ?
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please help me on 4 questions nod.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry39354086

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post Jan 21 2011, 03:17 PM

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Thanks for replying.

I have seen that website before but the outlets very far from Johor sad.gif
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post Jan 23 2011, 11:25 AM

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My solution to the dusty plank is buy a new plastic broom ...
Before mounting the individual planks lean one against the wall and sweep it both side.


Yesterday I went to ask hardware store, they quoted me $520 for extendable ladder reaching 7m
Too shocked shocking.gif didn't place order.
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post Jan 23 2011, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Jackygwh @ Jan 23 2011, 11:26 AM)
thanks for ur reply.... i think so also......... mostly Bird sound Quality or bird sound OR too less tweeter ??

i test it aroudn 6.pm while u can see birds fly around but when i switch it on.. no birds come near me


Added on January 23, 2011, 11:27 am

bro the ladder so exp ??
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Few months ago I asked some ppl who play audio in another forum.
Basically he said $50 soundcard paired with $1000 speaker will have better quality than $400 soundcard paired with $600 speaker. currency not in ringgit though...
The speaker is much more important than the media and player or wire length & material.

My amp's specs are maximum 320kbps 44100hz which is the best sound quality that is commercially produced for consumer use like song albums cd.

From my limited number of external birdsound, can see some are 128kbps, 192kbps, 320kbps.

So IMO the differences would be negligible, no need to insist on BEST quality when using cheap tweeters.

You can try download Sonic Visualiser to look at the bird call pattern, maybe you can decipher the code. thumbup.gif

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Yup, thats one expensive ladder.
If fall down from that height , no money can buy health back.
My partner wants to DIY wooden ladder but I scared to climb ah.
So I'm looking for cheaper ladder .... better for everybody.
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post Jan 29 2011, 09:45 PM

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This afternoon between small drizzle saw about 150 swiftlets playing above other BH about 80m from mine.
My first time seeing such an amazing sight up close user posted image Hopefully some of them will come visit my place in the future.

Happy new year everybody ~
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:03 PM

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Hi everybody,

what do you think of starting BH at those totally deserted row of shophouse ?
The plan is to buy the top floor of 3-4 units across and tear down the wall.

My relative and his friend want to JV with me but that place is about 400km away from my home.
This would be a problem as I cannot visit the BH as frequently as them to look for problems and solve it. Very paiseh if just be sitting investor.

Let me know your opinions. smile.gif
Thank you.




by the way ... I got the extendable ladder from a hardware store near my BH
The owner very friendly guy even tell us his commission
cost slightly over RM300 for 12feet + 12feet 2 section

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post Feb 28 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 26 2011, 06:32 PM)
Those who wish to buy Taiwan made humidifier can buy directly from the the sole agent in Malaysia JC Machinery Sdn Bhd
http://www.jcjaya.com/jc_div2prod_houseware.html

[img]http://www.jcjaya.com/images/e-21.jpg[img]
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Wow the famous TW humidifer now got PINK edition rclxms.gif



I have 3 of the purple ones in my bh but have not used them yet because of the float valve issues and the humidity is stable around 61-81% range
No birds yet though ....

This equipment can put 3 onto a multi-plug to share a single timer ???

Im worried it might trip the ELCB because the motor starting power consumption might be too high.


Thank you.

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post Mar 1 2011, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 1 2011, 11:38 AM)


As for 3 TWH with a power supply isn't a good ideal as you may consider separate control for each/two to enable you to adjust and control effectively and not to overload and burn your timer.
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Ok, will get 2 more timers to be safe.

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post Mar 2 2011, 02:17 PM

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Thats what I thought too .... because when just started converting the BH there was no electricity yet so had to borrow from ground floor shop.
Everytime the circular blade saw motor started the flourocent tube lamps will blackout and restart.

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post Mar 5 2011, 05:16 PM

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bought another timer ... less then $20

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post Mar 9 2011, 09:52 PM

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just now after rain went to see a location
1000+ swiftlets flying cover the whole sky drool.gif
1 successful BH there with a few supporting bh around
there's 1 shophouse directly 6m behind for sale
but the owner asking 400k for the 2storey corner unit .... quite expensive because that place ground floor no commercial use/rental

Seniors here .... can give me newbie some opinions ??? nod.gif
Thank You.

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post Mar 10 2011, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 10 2011, 11:36 AM)
My I give you my honest and personal opinion on the above matter.

One successor BH contributing to a few nearby BHs I should say....as successful BH is always a contributor to others although a percentage of its birds will return. The surrounding BHs has nothing much to contribute but to receive so in most selfish BHs, they harvest all their nests before fledgling to kill all surrounding new BHs and then maybe buy out the rest cheaply.  This one you see seem to be of the generous one or kind to the birds that feed his family and maybe GOD fearing one.

Rm400K for a @2Storey unit is rather high but OK to buy if the following can be fulfilled or accepted.

My opinion to share and may others add or disagree. Comment????
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Thanks for replying.

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1. Under GP1, no more new BH @ town and there are really too many restrictions and the situation is very suitable for any new BH @ town. Can you solve these?

I heard this only affect the new buildings, old buildings completed many years ago are unaffected ?


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2. 2 Storey BH is too low for my liking as you certainly attract predator of the human kind and that's bad. Here, we have so many breaks with 2 Storey BH almost monthly and there is nothing the owners can do and harvest before the thieves get to the nests and that's bad for the increment of nests. What you got to say for these?

I'm also concerned about the human predator possibility.
That area does not have much human traffic during day and night.
I see that the successful BH have alarm system installed, so if a new BH have few dozen BN it's time to install alarm system too ???


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3. Remember once you wet your hair, there is no way out but if you are willing to take risk and maybe want to stay in the lower floor as the G floor is empty anyway and there is no way the local authority will allow you to make BH out of the G floor, then it shall be safe as you my renovate the BH in such a way that the only access to your upper floor BH is thru your GF and that's thru you. Will you able to take the risk?

To be honest, none of us 3 JV partners are prepared to make this drastic change in lifestyle as currently we don't live near the small town where this shophouse is located.
It can be considered if the BH is starting to pay for itself.


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4. The your BH is higher or at the same height of the successful BH and better including that of the surrounding as well. Well?

All the shophouses in that area are same height 2storey, no high trees near but there are 2 value apartment buildings about 100m away.

The swiftlet return path and the successful BH both are at opposite direction, so to attract both side the best way is to open roof entrance with additional 2 small tweeters pointed at above successful BH direction ?


Once again, Thank You for sharing with us your valuable insights.


Added on March 10, 2011, 3:58 pm
QUOTE(Ayah Embong @ Mar 10 2011, 02:35 PM)
Bro,
For that kind of money, where the building of no other commercial value,  I would rather invest in standalone at agri land, the decision is solely yours, as at any times we see things differently, and in swiftlet farming there would be no right or wrong answer, only whether or not a right calculative moves. if i look the thing in right perspective, as far as i am concerned there pratically no  FAIL BIRD HOUSE, it is a matter or time, if we dont make rich in our life time our children will, if not our children our grand children will, so,only time will decide bro, correct me if am wrong Best wishes.
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Hi,
no worries rclxms.gif just considering it not confirm buying yet.
It's a learning experience for everybody.
By posting here, I welcome all opinions positive or negative.

Thank You.

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post Mar 18 2011, 02:46 AM

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^^^^

Thanks for the reply smile.gif

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