Thanks Ayah embong for your advice!!!

How do i do a bird call? Where do i get those equipments?

Buy the SOS sound then play it with the car stereo. Simple as that.

I'm up for chit chat and sharing stories for anyone in Klang Valley area!

Bro,
easiest you download here the location check,
www.duniawalet.com
and use your handphone,

again if you go to sam, (sorry i have no personal interest with his biz), he just being helpful to me in the initial stage esp with books, sounds and equipments. you can get the mini mobile gadget quiet cheap, if you are outstation just call him to send to you and bank in the money.

easy right.

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Added on July 22, 2011, 7:56 amooo my dear Uncle WW,
similarly, in short years i have met a contractors, a stationary shop owner, crane drivers, a newspaper reporter, watch repair shop, school teacher, ambulance driver has become a consultant.... with some experience of course, will you put you money in them?


again there are also high flyers on the market now, to me they are no better than SALESMAN, i checked all their track records from the very first time they started swiftlet farming and most of them with only 5 years experience, and none like you with over 10 years experience lol.

personally, i have no grudges against the consultants, i have followed most of them if not all and as i said sometimes they also open up my mind, thanks. they want to cari makan let them be tapi what they ought to do is after sales service and make their client happy after parting their hard earned cash. Bagi Mr ww, tak apa lah kerana dia plug money from the sky and can afford to build a new swiftlet castle. . my personal observation all of them are very busy making money and do not have much time for small timers.

and an indonesian, an electronic university lecturer, whom a good friend now, their family has bird houses over 50 years, and his own at his backyard over 20 years...at surubaya and gresik, my children stayed almost one month with them. would you not trust people like this ???

and you my dear WW, i always adore !!

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 11:22 AM

Wow, $1500 for a simple test?! Tat must be well known CONMAN!

Sam in Klang selling a testing set like $500. You can hire like $100 or $50 if not mistaken for a day.

Want cheaper, go to Jln Pasar, get a set of amp player wth dc supply. Either get a batt or pluck into car dc supply and wallah, you own a test machine less than $250. In the past, amp and player separated. Now amp come with player so easy just plug and play. Conman will obsolete one day but again as Uncle Ben said, 'there is a sucker born everyday'.

When I first started 3 yrs ago, 1st thing I found was this is a con industry. $5 stuff they can sell at $100 claiming gold will dropping from sky with this Muster Piece. Newbie no choice got to learn from books and some reliable courses like Pak Hen in order to verify truth and lies before entering. If not just learn the hard way, pay to the nose, pay all ur retirement funds and learn from some Conmen. Not saying Con-sultants all lying but u get slaughter lah when u believe birds will suck in like vacuum machine into ur bh with their kungfu or magic. Tat's the fact of swiftlet industry.

There is no watchdog or regulation oversee the Conmen. Any Hairy Crabi Dicki and Tommi can be Con-sultant.

Ha ha ha ha...all this talk about consultants....and a disturbing email from friend,

DL has been in this business for so very long, and yet he is not a recognised consultant BUT some of those who learnt from him are now famous CONsultants. His students are making the money whilst he gave the information for free.

Coffee with BH friends last night reminded me of events long ago when some people asked alot about BHs, in forums like this, and now they are consultants with extensive claims but no history of building many, if any successful BHs.

Prime example !!!!! DVS knew nothing about BHs, consulted some of us when they first recognised the importance of this industry, now they are the Malaysian Authority in this matter, with innovative ideas that will overturn the industry like RFID identification for swiftlets, nests, BHs. Very soon if I find my Birds in your BH, since I can now identify them, I'll sue you.

Read between the lines, this industry is so simple that people with no related experience can become successful in one way or another but there exists some factors yet undiscovered that affect the level of success. This forum contains all the basic requirements for a successful BH but for some of us, it is a channel to perhaps discover why and what factors contribute to the less than desired results for some BHs.

BTW, if anyone is contemplating a BH in a rubber plantation, just take all the rubber trees within 100m down and you may solve the problem. Why swiftlets do not prefer rubber trees to oil palms has something to do with the leaf structure and flight abilities.

Now somebody please tell me why I've got more birds on one side of the building than the other. New ideas welcome, old ideas only show that you've not been reading this forum ; )

if i may add,
i have done too many bird test at too many places,,
one day, after coffee a friend ask to do a bird test at good location inside his rubber plantation, though I mentioned a few places that there is many failed bird houses in rubber plantation in our area. we still went i observed that many birds soo high and refused to get to where we were.

reasons: i dont understand.
tip : maybe cutting down the trees would help

as TF , (thanks for your assistance and invaluable advices, and these words from a Japanese client will always ring in my ears " the water will always fall from the sky ") said may be cutting down 100m in circumference might help, and for me i dare not take the risk if i dont have at least an acre clearance,

I also like to quote this

"Don’t be fooled by those so called high-tech consultants. I always believe in quality, not quantity. I only trust basic stuff and I have the reason to believe that a very successful BH depends very much on the designing. High tech is not necessary be applicable. Equipment used should only be adequate and appropriate. Do not overdo it[. Do not do something that may defeat the original intended purpose.

This is only my own personal views. You may ignore this if you think I am fooling around here."

I have seen today .... at not their expenses someone has overdoing it
if i am a Shaman or witch doctor (an american indian phrase for medicine man) and i will dissect his mind and tell you this
"this stupid bh owner, has the desire to have 1000 nests in one month, let me make believe that this is a reality and show before his eyes this is what you need to do to have 1K birds in one month, and of course am sure he will pay thru his back hole for this Masterpiece"

all i do : LMBFAO
tip: LESS IS MORE

semuga berhasil

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 03:35 PM

Thanks Bobby and all who kindly gave their feedback....
I agree that getting a really reliable and sincere consultant is challenging but it is important to have a good start in this business. We can buy good audio equipments and CDs and DIY, but tips from the swiftlet wisemen with decades of experience are essential for newbies to fall within the 20% success rate.

Cheers
mcbwsh

"Now somebody please tell me why I've got more birds on one side of the building than the other. New ideas welcome, old ideas only show that you've not been reading this forum ; )"



HA HA HA BIG Bro,
you cant be serious... !!!

let me try, maybe analyze "flying path" in road construction it is refer as "REROUTE" ooopss .. your toe, am sorry Bro

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 11:25 AM

Thanks Ayah Embong, Bobby C,
I downloaded the bird test from the (brilliant) Indon website.
At least he gives u this free, but the real bird sounds for house costs a few million rupiah
So i can play it on my car stereo and see what happens...
What are the finer points? Numbers ?
Many thanks

I think bro cergau had demonstrated a step by step guide to DIY a bird call kit for less than RM50 in v2.

Bro,
this much i can tell you from his own mouth.
"last 10 years i have constructed an average of 3 bhs per month with 100% success rate, and my best was 75 markings after 3 weeks, at kalimantan" believe it or not up to you.

can use anything as long as there will sound coming out,
as for the finer points,
look for the size of birds coming, if more young birds better chances
the numbers of birds ; they say min 200
Tip: i have acquired a place at anytime, thousands of birds.

1. flying route try morning 0700 - 0900, or evening 1600 - 1900
2. forging area . anytime.
3. central - no need testing just do it right the first time.

see what I mean by many people not bothering to read but expect to be spoon fed......wasting valuable time which should be used to discover new things.

BTW Ayah, 100m diameter will be over an acre, I think : )


I'm serious about asking why one side has more birds than the other, refer to some earlier posts from me.

I have about 4 hours of video recordings of my roving room, showing young birds learning how to fly, new birds checking out the place, placement of stairs on one side and how the birds react etc. Anyone interested, please suggest a good video compression format and I can compress it and place in a file sharing site.

Dear AE

May I ask what is the meaning of 'Forging area"? Is it referring to highland?

When you mentioned "central", are you referring to the way to access the birds area like
in Dr Christopher assessment?

Forgive me as I am trying to understand the terms here, I have yet to finish V1.

thank you for your enlightenment.

Me too. PM me! I am more on property investment but totally Noob about BH. Hope we can share what we knew

Bro TT,
i have not seen the river how you expect me to cross the bridge, anyway i love to see your 4 hrs video, please.
100m > 1 acre , next time you need to correct my grammar as well,, LOL
Thanks Bro.

TB,
sorry what i meant was foraging area. and central means - kawasan padat. an area full of successful birdhouses, not eco bird park lol...

He means foraging area, place the birds cari makan.

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Added on July 22, 2011, 5:50 pmAll these talk about consultants let me share mine. When I first started this about 4-5 years ago, I paid a consultant like 60k just to do the nesting planks and sound for a 3 story 22x72 BH.

I can probably do it for 1/4 the cost myself today, but the point is the entry into this business is pretty tough. You know the Chinaman mentality, nobody will share unless you pay. You can goto seminars and look at their wonderful pictures of BHs, but when you ask any of them to visit their BH, you will get a look as if you're ET that just arrived on earth.

Of course, being an engineer myself I'm quick to learn the trade and now I can build and design my own BH. But the very first time, sometimes you just have to kena 'chop' one time before you learn.

Nobody can guarantee your 1st BH will be 100% successful, no matter how many books and BHs you visit, your BH design has to conform to your land's topography. But one thing for sure is, if you never try then you will never succeed

This post has been edited by northface: Jul 22 2011, 05:50 PM

Hi NF & AE

Thanked you for the enlightenment.

May I ask how to identify mature swiftlet and baby swiftlet at time of testing birds please?

Cheers

You identify them visually, that is mature ones are larger and fledglings are smaller.

However, I wear glasses so I'm not very good at identifying them unless they are real close

Old sifus like WW should be very good at identifying them