persianan bukit rahman putra is a mature location

Swiftlets Farming Equipments GMYS Enterprise is d name .

Hi NF, thanked for the identification. Yeah, since they are flying so high up how to identify
them from the size

Hi Uncle WW, are you here please? Can you please advice on the ways to identify the parents
birds and the fledglings?

I have came across a place where there is a BH but with poor respond with birds. But when
testing time, they are birds flying around but do not enter the BH. Any particular reason?
The place is surrounded by palm estate? Nothing much particular that I can see. Me not good
as I have no experience in swiftlet. What could be the factor?

Thank you thank you very much to all sifus for advice.

Even that the birds fly high, by looking and observing the movement of birds, one can tell if the bird is just fledged, young or old birds. Although not 100% but at least you can tell.

Those who chase and talks alot are definitely old ones like me who talks and talks none stop.

Do one day observe the birds with a experience owner and very easily you will be able to determine if the birds is new, old and maybe get it right even "your birds" as your senior birds need not think twice before entering the BH and new ones will hesitate before entering, my friend. Just be observance and see and you will find it easy to understand...like when I started the BH, I don't even can differentiate the swiftlet for the swallow or martin but then by close observation, I learn the differences between them; even that the swiftlets in the BH are of many sub species to be exact....although we refer to them AF only.

Many things that we think are right because someone did mentioned it or written it but most of it, we didn't do a study on it as we are in for the nests and not to understand all about swiftlets; just on how to populate the BH and to make more and more nests...bigger and whiter ones if possible. Others, not really very concerned like if the birds may have more than one mate, cheat on the mate or do the birds chose another mate after the mate dies.........we will care and will try if it concern the improvement of nests in quality, quantity and price.

Above are just my observation to share and pls. comment.

[quote=xunji,Jul 22 2011, 09:40 PM]
persianan bukit rahman putra is a mature location

Hi Xunji,
what do u mean by 'mature location' ?
that there are other successful BHs around ? (i hope)
I contacted a certain consultant who told me that there is a failed 'govt'project nearby. It failed not becos there were no birds but that the internals of the BHs were not right.
Apparently they were doing the 'captive breeding' tech too.
Many thanks

[quote=highcut28,Jul 23 2011, 11:15 PM]
[quote=xunji,Jul 22 2011, 09:40 PM]
persianan bukit rahman putra is a mature location

Hi Xunji,
what do u mean by 'mature location' ?
that there are other successful BHs around ? (i hope)
I contacted a certain consultant who told me that there is a failed 'govt'project nearby. It failed not becos there were no birds but that the internals of the BHs were not right.
Apparently they were doing the 'captive breeding' tech too.
Many thanks

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That location no birds test required. have many success bh located at the location.
further down, kundang also a good location.
for the last 8 year or more , BH were there .
i was there when during the sungai buluh hospital construction.

'captive ways' concept i personally feel will not work.

SAM now no more interested in fishing equipments and products and now in swiftlets. He used to be selling fishing equipments and now a swiftlets farming products specialist. Just ask for anything for BH and I think he has it...almost everything.

Newbizs wish to know on what to use and how to use..may talk to him but decide for yourself, I caution you unless you have a big fat pocket.

Thanks Xunji
Well i just did a bird test this morning which i think was quite positive
There were abt 50 birds swirling around above the trees and my car when i turned on the sound on car stereo at 9 am this morning.
There is actually a BH in a nearby lot only abt 150 yds away. perimeter locked up - cant access.
I stopped by the nearest commercial area at end of Jalan Bukit Rahman Putra 1 (looking for breakfast) and was astounded to see the the top 2 floors of many 4 storey shoplots were BHs!. At least 3 big ones i could identify by my untrained eyes.
So u are right and thanks Xunji it has been very encouraging so far.javascript:emoticon(':nod:')

Newbizs wish to know on what to use and how to use..may talk to him but decide for yourself, I caution you unless you have a big fat pocket.

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Sam will provide u many info provided u yourself know what u need n required .
Agree with WW. Some items is to impress the owner more than the birds..

[quote=xunji,Jul 24 2011, 09:35 PM]
Newbizs wish to know on what to use and how to use..may talk to him but decide for yourself, I caution you unless you have a big fat pocket.

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Sam will provide u many info provided u yourself know what u need n required .
Agree with WW. Some items is to impress the owner more than the birds..

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You can get almost anything related to swiftlets at GMYs and I always thought the pricing is reasonable. I love the fact that you can place your order through email, make payment and the stuff arrives.

As with anything, there are always cheap and expensive premium products. Sometimes you pay for other people's creativity / intellectual property.

To those who wanna to buy a land for swiftlet farming, this is a good chance. Land for sale for swiftlet farming at Bukit Selambau, Sungai Petani, Kedah (2 Acre)

http://loveswiftlet.blogspot.com/2011/07/l...e-at-bukit.html

Hi WW

thanked you very much for your advice.

Will try to learn to differentiate the birds

Good day

As Dr. Fadzilah mentioned @ K. Trg on too many researches have been done on the same thing on swiftlets, and a waste of govt fund and Uni must first check if other Uni is doing the same research as there are really so many studies can be done on swiftlets and the industry.

Topics like do temperature, humidity and other factors affect the breeding, quality and quantiy of nests.

Or what food (insects) produce the better nests and too many IF but still no answer so need not do research on same topic again.

Oyes, another finding is you dont know cos if you check on your BH @ night and you will notice some nests have only one parent bird and why??

Reason? could it be that the birds do sometime alternate their parenting while the other one goes in search of food far away or could it be that swiftlets arent mono but polygamy in nature...hahaha.....anyone got the answer?

Well, just my observation to share.

DVS can again take the lead instead of just lamenting...such initiative on their own will take them ahead of the pack in the service.
The PM has already given his blessing for DVS to lead the industry...why stop at the 1GP?
Starting with a questionaire and request for information to all the uni will start the ball rolling....
An Excel sheet is sufficient to track and monitor... no need for big spendings...just cooperation from the unis.
Invite the researchers to share their findings at the GAHP courses as side workshops to make the course per se attractive.
Observation from BH operators will be worth months of their own.
Very soon they will become the favourite dept in the whole service.

Not an answer...but recollection of an 'orang-lama'.
IIRC I read that swiftlets (it wasn't specifically AF) aren't at all mono through DNA tests.
It implies that the parents aren't even feeding their own off-springs.
It wasn't a local write-up so I presume the research wasn't local either.
My recollection is the writeup was European.
Just can't recall where I read it. I am certain it was from the web.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jul 26 2011, 10:42 AM

I read this book called 'Swiftlets of Borneo', which specifically deals with the edible nest making swifts, I thought it was pretty informative
http://www.nhbs.com/swiftlets_of_borneo_bu...fno_126856.html

Basically their conclusion was that EBN making swifts are monogamous and they take turns building a nest and care for the young. As for old sifu WW's observation of a single parent bird at night during roosting hours, maybe one was claimed by nature?

The very things that happened in our own backyard and yet, we need to learn from the Mat Salleh. I sincerely hope that we would have Asian like those MS that really do the research to gather true information and without hidden agenda like trying to sell products or fake information to gain $$$$$.

Only if our Govt. does look into color before giving out grant to do research in the field of Swiftlets ranching ( Sanctuaries) then, we will be at least better and learned than the MS in the study of Edible Nest swftlets which we see everyday in our own backyard.

Hopefully, we can prove that their old findings are wrong or incomplete but first we must not take their finding to be 100% truth or fool proof, then we maybe able to concentrate on our own investigation. This has happened in the Theory of Evolution; proving all formal theories to be mistake or wrong.....and maybe, we do have a MAN that can stand up tall.

The Mat Sallehs do spend a lot of resources researching wild life that's why they are so much better. I can only dream of the day where there will be one of those National Geographic style documentary on swiftlet farming and the empirical studies on the optimum habitat and environment for swiftlets.

Right now a lot of the information that we have in regard to this industry is from what others say. There are no real scientific studies done to backup claims.

http://www.guangming.com.my/node/109180?tid=3

On headline news, I think this is the biggest step in the right direction so far to fight for our
existence. Black sheeps under the guise of Made-in-Malaysia to export fake/blood bird nest
to China for more dollars than sense. Our govt should push for the 30ppm of the nitrate
contents as agreeable level and in order to reduce nitrate content at source, if using EM is
one good way, by all means make it compulsory for all farms.

If I have read the translation correctly....it's all about processed EBN, not raw ones.
There's also mention of 'tracking' ..if required it should be from the processing plants, not from farms.
Unless of course if the BH owners are also processing them.
Else there will be tons of unnecessary bureaucracy to deal with.

My apologies, I am not a fan of compulsory this or that...which the govt is very fond of...blanket rulings when further effort is required to resolve anything at the root.

"酵素和過濾水可以減低燕窩的亞硝酸鹽成份，但也不能達致零..."

"Enzyme and filtered water can be used to reduce nitrate content..."
Correct me if I am wrong, EM is used only at source but not at processing plants unless there exists a new formula to use both at processing plants which I am not aware.

該部將會展開一項追蹤行動，以揪出製造假燕窩的奸商
Tracking the processing plants that do fake bird nests, not necessary farms.

If EM is too costly to make and use, I don't think many new farmers can afford it even if it can help contribute
to food safety as well. How about DVS giving out free if it is still not cheap to buy from all sources. I sure hope some other forms of subsidy provided other than loans.

True Bro WW,
this is to confirm that.. there was a research done, I would not disclose by whom, that swiftlet is like any other God's creation is polygamy by nature, and the ratio of the female birds is more than male..

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Added on July 26, 2011, 10:28 pm... there is also finding that the nest is being made mainly by the female..

and those results are from the research centre, ..

I read a blog earlier, the writer said that the male was the main maker of the nest,... such a conflicting facts, it doesnot bother me so much who makes what, but I just wanna make it clear , that in order to publish some facts you must be sure of it and not what you think what it would be in order to gain popularity. ..


alas it is a free world anyway.




This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 26 2011, 10:28 PM