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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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BirdNest_Satay
post Feb 28 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 26 2011, 06:32 PM)
Those who wish to buy Taiwan made humidifier can buy directly from the the sole agent in Malaysia JC Machinery Sdn Bhd
http://www.jcjaya.com/jc_div2prod_houseware.html

[img]http://www.jcjaya.com/images/e-21.jpg[img]
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Wow the famous TW humidifer now got PINK edition rclxms.gif



I have 3 of the purple ones in my bh but have not used them yet because of the float valve issues and the humidity is stable around 61-81% range
No birds yet though ....

This equipment can put 3 onto a multi-plug to share a single timer ???

Im worried it might trip the ELCB because the motor starting power consumption might be too high.


Thank you.

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West Wing
post Mar 1 2011, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Feb 28 2011, 11:44 PM)
Wow the famous TW humidifer now got PINK edition  rclxms.gif
I have 3 of the purple ones in my bh but have not used them yet because of the float valve issues and the humidity is stable around 61-81% range
No birds yet though ....

This equipment can put 3 onto a multi-plug to share a single timer ???

Im worried it might trip the ELCB because the motor starting power consumption might be too high.
Thank you.
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No one but crazy one is going to buy the Pink edition for the BH. The float value is OK in all TW humidifiers that I have used....

So far, this is the most acceptable humidifier used by BH owners as it is cheap and reliable. With my 2 sen electrical knowledge in this, ELCB trip if there is a leak in the circuit and 3 or 6 humidifiers cannot overload your BH supply. I am planing 12 TW humidifiers for my new BH ( very Big, 2 on each floor) or 6 ultrasonic Humidifiers. The Ultrasonic Humidifiers, cost and maintenance is the factor.

As for 3 TWH with a power supply isn't a good ideal as you may consider separate control for each/two to enable you to adjust and control effectively and not to overload and burn your timer.

Rangnok
post Mar 1 2011, 03:00 PM

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anyone interested Bh on agriland for sell

a. 22 x 80 x 3sty x 2 building
b. 6.5acres chinese land freehold
c. pahang
d. 1st BH, less than 2yrs, min. 1200nests
e. 2nd BH less than 10mths, 400nests.
4.5million.
BirdNest_Satay
post Mar 1 2011, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 1 2011, 11:38 AM)


As for 3 TWH with a power supply isn't a good ideal as you may consider separate control for each/two to enable you to adjust and control effectively and not to overload and burn your timer.
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Ok, will get 2 more timers to be safe.

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post Mar 1 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Mar 1 2011, 10:26 PM)
Ok, will get 2 more timers to be safe.

Thanks for reply. smile.gif
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My friend once did some measurements: The Rotor Stalled Ampere (RSA) for the humidifier was about 2.3Amps and once running, current drawn was about 0.5Amps.

What it means is that during the initial startup, current drawn is momentarily at more than 2 Amps. If your timer or controller can support 5Amps, then it can be damaged due to overload if more than 2 humidifiers is connected to it.

You can actually write to the manufacturer and request for more data.

Just my 2 sen. Our in-house electronics expert most welcome to chip in and correct me if I am wrong.

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post Mar 2 2011, 02:17 PM

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Thats what I thought too .... because when just started converting the BH there was no electricity yet so had to borrow from ground floor shop.
Everytime the circular blade saw motor started the flourocent tube lamps will blackout and restart.

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post Mar 2 2011, 04:16 PM

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Talking about ELCB, pls. do check your Earth in your BH cos I just found out in one of my BHs, the earth line is not earthed and as such it so dangerous for if there is a leak, I will be gone to see my ancestors or to be with God. Useless if there is a ELCB without an Earth line grounded.

I called up an Electrician to hammer in a new earth and then my ELCB tripped, meaning that there was a leak in one of my humidifiers and luckily, I always switch off my humidifiers before handling them. Yes, do shut off before cleaning your humidifiers to be safe than sorry....
too late to be sorry any way.

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post Mar 3 2011, 09:17 AM

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In our switch board, ELCB (Earth leadkage circuit breaker) is to protect current leakage, and MCB (Miniature Circuit Breaker) is to protect from current overload you can change to higer capacity(6A,10A,15A,20A.....) if you need it to carry higer current. thus overload will trip MCB and leakage will trip ELCB.

There is a build-in relay inside the timer, if the relay capacity is 5A and your humidifer current consumption is 2A, you should not connect more than 2 humidifiers (2A+2A=4A) in Direct connection. If you want to use one timer to control all humidifiers, you can actually use a contactor, which means your timer will only supply current to the contactor to switch on and off (<0.5A), but your contactor will carry the current to supply over all your humidifers. If you have 10units of humidifiers in gang, total comsumption will be 10x2A=20A, then 25A contactor will do, 5A extra capacity as buffer for starting surge. 25A contator may not be more expensive than you get another Hager timer.
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post Mar 3 2011, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 2 2011, 04:16 PM)
Talking about ELCB, pls. do check your Earth in your BH cos I just found out in one of my BHs, the earth line is not earthed and as such it so dangerous for if there is a leak, I will be gone to see my ancestors or to be with God. Useless if there is a ELCB without an Earth line grounded.

I called up an Electrician to hammer in a new earth and then my ELCB tripped, meaning that there was a leak in one of my humidifiers and luckily, I always switch off my humidifiers before handling them. Yes, do shut off before cleaning your humidifiers to be safe than sorry....
too late to be sorry any way.
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how do u clean the taiwan humidifer? Mine is pretty dirty and one of it malfunction. Do u clean ur humidifier frequently? alot of bird shit
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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 3 2011, 12:01 PM)
how do u clean the taiwan humidifer? Mine is pretty dirty and one of it malfunction. Do u clean ur humidifier frequently? alot of bird shit
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Everyone may has its own way of cleaning TW humidifiers and when.

ME?

I just wash the basin of the H and base filter when the water is dirty and only major washing when the amount of mist worsen. Water jet does a good of cleaning TWH. I do have a extra H to replace the faulty one so that I need spend too much time in the BH unnecessary so as not to disturb the birds and also difficult to work in the BH. After servicing, the unit will be a backup unit for the next maintenance time.

I only dismantle the humidifier only if it still doesn't work after major cleaning by water jet spray. Oyes, the H can be easily dismantle and totally overhaul if necessary. Use alittle grease at the bearing and your H will work and sound like new.
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post Mar 3 2011, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 3 2011, 11:01 AM)
how do u clean the taiwan humidifer? Mine is pretty dirty and one of it malfunction. Do u clean ur humidifier frequently? alot of bird shit
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You can dismantle the whole unit and wash with a mixture solution of 1 teaspoon of Sodium hydroxide and 1 table spoon of detergent powder with a bowl of water. Here is the link with step by step photo. http://www.srcthai.com/index.php?lay=show&...le&Id=539088489

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post Mar 5 2011, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Tweeter @ Mar 3 2011, 06:24 PM)
You can dismantle the whole unit and wash with a mixture solution of 1 teaspoon of Sodium hydroxide and  1 table spoon of detergent powder with a bowl of water. Here is the link with step by step photo. http://www.srcthai.com/index.php?lay=show&...le&Id=539088489
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TQ Tweeter,


I believe many here will appreciate your posting of the site and although it is in Thai, the picture should explain it so well that anayone shall now be able to maintain his Taiwanese Humidifiers without any problem at all.


TQ, again.
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post Mar 5 2011, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 5 2011, 09:58 AM)
TQ Tweeter,
I believe many here will appreciate your posting of the site and although it is in Thai, the picture should explain it so well that anayone shall now be able to maintain his Taiwanese Humidifiers without any problem at all.
TQ, again.
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This is a small thank you from me to this forum or what they call in the movie "to pay forward" ( it's not my article or website, though wink.gif) , after I have received many benefits by reading this forum, (specially from your advises, WW) for years.
This is how civilized people should do.

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aeiou228
post Mar 5 2011, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Tweeter @ Mar 5 2011, 11:25 AM)
This is a small thank you from me to this forum or what they call in the movie "to pay forward" ( it's not my article or website, though wink.gif) , after I have received many benefits by reading this forum, (specially from your advises, WW) for years.
This is how civilized people should do.
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It will be difficult to trace back some good info and links posted here as the thread piling up and advance to v4.
I hope seeseng (thread starter) can compile all vital info into 1st post. This is the "social responsibility" of a thread starter. brows.gif
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post Mar 5 2011, 05:16 PM

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bought another timer ... less then $20

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Anyone buy swiflet here?list up ur price can?i got a big amount of bird nest...
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post Mar 7 2011, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Mar 5 2011, 05:16 PM)
bought another timer ... less then $20

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Beware of this Timer.

I used this for my heater fan in my BH, even set it with intervals, burnt and melted in my air-well socket WITHOUT TRIPPING Circuit Breaker !!!
( A few hundred birds came to play and irked off )
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post Mar 7 2011, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(Jo Yeo @ Mar 7 2011, 09:10 AM)
Beware of this Timer.

I used this for my heater fan in my BH, even set it with intervals, burnt and melted in my air-well socket WITHOUT TRIPPING Circuit Breaker !!!
( A few hundred birds came to play and irked off )
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What is heater fan ? Does it consume hi wattage and heat generating ? If yes then of course this thing will melt because it was meant for low wattage electrical appliances.
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On many of these devices, the product specifications could be inaccurate.

Max Load of 13A could mean only 2A or less. Even the GOOD OLD Hager TImer is rated a lot less.


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post Mar 7 2011, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Jo Yeo @ Mar 7 2011, 09:10 AM)
Beware of this Timer.

I used this for my heater fan in my BH, even set it with intervals, burnt and melted in my air-well socket WITHOUT TRIPPING Circuit Breaker !!!
( A few hundred birds came to play and irked off )
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Hi, Jo Yeo

You use heater for your BH and must be too cold at night I believe. Better shut out some V holes than to use heater. Also, remember all light out at night as we also don't want to be disturb hahahaha. Seriously, no bright light or you shall have many birds flying but not nest making.


Added on March 7, 2011, 12:38 pm
QUOTE(coolandy @ Mar 7 2011, 11:32 AM)
On many of these devices, the product specifications could be inaccurate.

Max Load of 13A could mean only 2A or less. Even the GOOD OLD Hager TImer is rated a lot less.
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You can't trust "Made in China product"....sometime, you get good thing but sometime you get lousy one, no QC like when I bought one worklight from "Cowboy" and luckily, I was around when it happened. The wire burned like fire crackers and I quickly switched off the power switch.

Honestly, I must admit thatI still buy MIC products cos it's very cheap.

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