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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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swiftlailai
post Jul 8 2010, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 7 2010, 04:22 PM)
So you see if all are included in the seminar............how to finish in a day or two. I have been to a 2 days course for export of EBN and till today I still can't export EBN to China. Maybe, I am plain slow and if you are attending the above course, may I learn from you later on the sure way of exporting EBN to China.

So much to learn at the seminar and I  wish you success in you success in all your intention and future.
Since, it has been rather quiet recently @ this forum and may I have a suggestion that let discuss about swiftlet keeping as this forum is all about providing swiftlets sanctuaries. Let start with What is the best type of entrance until World Cup ends.

There shall not be any winner or loser, just plain discussion as what you think is best for our best friends, the tiny little swiftlets.

1. To start off, I believe that the best of entrance is the open window type although I never done one but it is the most difficult type of entrance to  prefect as it's also the most problematic of all type of entrances. In this type of entrance, you need to consider all the natural elements like wind, light and many others. Solving the noise complaints will almost be impossible.

2. Doing it @ agriculture land, predators and natural elements are the most difficult part.

What say you all?
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Agree with you brother west wing. Congratulations on your purchase of agriculture land for birdhouse. Salute you for you for your guts. I am sure you will be successful in your new birdhouse. How big, high do you intend to build? Entrance type, kindly share with us newbies.

About young birds, anybody know how long it take for them to mature and start building nests. Tried to get from books but still no clue. Some say 8 months yet some says 2 years?????

Normally how often do we harvest the nest. Is it every month or every 45 days? Mind to share with us when is the best time to harvest so as to get the maximum numbers of nest.

Thanks
swiftlailai
post Aug 12 2010, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 12 2010, 03:40 PM)
My friend, I never said that Having BHs @ town  are illegal and I never did mentioned that we are illegal but infact we were encourage by the government many years ago but I never agree to the title or occupation as swiftlets farmers and farming not a farm as we just provide the swiftlets with a place to stay and we didn't farm the swiftlets nor do we feed them. They are free to come and go. A swiftlets hotel or sanctuary should be a better word to use and we are the provider of safe heaven for the swiftlets and nothing more.... and it's an industry or a trade, you may say........but certainly not farming as provided by me.

If Operating license is required to ensure that we comply with certain requirements and conditions should there be any and these, I believe we as reasonable people and do understand the situation need to compromised....we don't own the world but we do have a share.............and say. One thing that I don't agree is that the license fee is so high and who the authorities take us to be.....illegal immigrants or something else??????

I truly and strongly agreed with you that many problems and complaints are because of those uncooperative BH owners and we all have to bear the beating today.
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Hi, Lucas1, Bro West Wing,

All in all congratulations for comments. They are very useful to all swiftlet century, hotel, etc operators. I would like to classify it as swiftlets ranching as mentioned by the lady from veterinary department. But it should as mentioned by Lucas1 this industry should be classified under cottage industry too, the problem is that some operators are getting too big to be called cottage industry.

Anyway come 26 August, 2010, hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel, if the date mentioned is correct.

Just my 2cents.
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post Oct 14 2010, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(white gold @ Oct 14 2010, 09:00 PM)
Good Good Day, everyone, sifu ww and aeiou.
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Today Nanyang newspaper east coast section. Beginning 1 January, 2011 all birdhouse in Terengganu are required to apply for license from veterinary dept. All must join a local association in order to get a license.

All birdhouse owners, sifus, foremmers please provide feed back. Why it it compulsory to join an association in order to get a license. Is this amounting to day light roberry? Why other business do not have this requirement of MUST loin a local association to get a license?

http://www.nanyang.com.my/NewsCenter/artic...07&SID=8&CID=21
swiftlailai
post Dec 10 2010, 06:23 PM

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[quote=kuching_farmer,Dec 10 2010, 12:13 AM]
[quote=Jackygwh,Dec 9 2010, 08:35 PM]
and i found one land near beach.... not sure how many population there atm.. havent do bird test... but not far from the land there is a bird house also... so i guess at least there is some swiftlets ... smile.gif
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Sempadi Land...
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Uncle Ben where are u. This newbie needs your help so am i. Mine is a stand alone birdhouse in rubber plantation, results only so so la. Found out during last harvest last week the nests are very wet and one or two show sign of pinkish colour. I do not operate any humidifier yet humidity is very high. Please advice all sifu how to solve this. Thanks icon_question.gif
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post Dec 16 2010, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(benchai @ Dec 16 2010, 07:44 AM)
Hi Friend you should be over the moon. This increase is what we term X factor. PPL in Trock is claiming success with 50 nesting 1.5 yearssss !!!

Pls keep quiet don't advertise to the robber or some Sufi will contact you and inspect your BH and tell you to put in useless VIP rooms and 1000 more speakers to get one more 1000 birds one more for each speakers. HAHAHA. This will screw up your amp. Then your birds will say bye bye!! 

Just maintain your BH and prevent invasion from OWLS ,RATS,ANTS and by natural population growth you should be laughing all the way to the bank.

Try changing your external sound every now and then to keep the birds interested. The more birds circling your BH will definate pull more of these flock animals towards your BH and hopefully will stay.
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Thank Ben, actually my birdhouse floor is made of concrete but humidity has been on the high side all the time. Some people suggest to open more ventilation holes, but the problem is its wall and not easy to hack open again. I am also worried if more work done to renovate the building, the few hundred birds will be scared and start shifting to other birdhouses.

I still remember you when Pak Hen conducted course here in Pulau Kapas, Kuala Terengganu more than 3 ago already. Can you help me to get some sound from Pak Hen for my own use. Thought of changing to new sound for external and internal but I only have 2 types only. What if I fix another hexagonal speakers on roof top?

Thanks very much for your assistance.
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post Feb 6 2011, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Feb 5 2011, 06:50 PM)
Bro,

Gong Xi Fa Cai

What is saturation, hundred or thousand and we shall let the birds decide that it time to stop as for now, we don't do it, other will and while we wait, other become rich and although the chances is lesser now but its still much better than any ventures or buz you can think off. when the good is running, we fish and also if all present BH owners cooperatem and believe in God ( God fearing) and breed the swiftlets, then all will have better chances to success sooner than we thought otherwise, a 3 years wait may prospone to 10 years. Good location and be patient will see the moon appearing.

Where is the Malaysia Boleh spirit and if other can,we can, too and may all of us be blessed with the riches from our God......IshaAllah, we all will be blessed.
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Yes indeed we are all blessed. Just see what happens to other countries. Egypt in turmoil, Australia crippled by flood, Indonesia by volcanoes, U the SA cyclones etc etc.

Just to add a few lines for this business, it is not that simple as just to built and let the birds come to multiply. We still have to do a lot of monitoring, and improvement to make it a success. If encounter any problems this forummers elders sorry the worlds use are always ever ready to assist. We are indeed a BLESSED LOTS.

THANKS GOD FOR THAT AND HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO ALL, MAY THIS RABBIT YEAR BRINGS LOTS OF HARVESTS OF WHITE GOLD TO ALL! whistling.gif


Added on February 6, 2011, 8:56 pm
QUOTE(benchai @ Feb 4 2011, 04:17 PM)
Let me repeat good design,right technic, good sound,good aroma and patient !!! With these and you are still unsuccessful in Serikai then I advise you to give up BN farming and go do something else. rclxub.gif

Our friend Tuck Fook mention "Moden BH " hmm.gif  please take note , the days of renovating a dark room and some sound and hope for a good result is long gone.

My next BH will be built with composit materials and is burglar proof or at least they have to bring a backhoe and a couple of hours to break in. MY  "IQ BH " took me a year to desigh and I will let you know the result in due cause. This quick built system is not cheap and take about 3 weeks to build a two stories BH and 1 month for a 3 stories BH.
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Hi Ben,

Glad to see your posting in this forum. Mind sharing your new BH design which is burglar prove? To built a 3 stories in 4 weeks is very fast. How I hope you are here in Terengganu to share your knowledge.

I am now having problem with mold on nesting planks and just used copper brush to clean off, hope it is sufficient. Another is most tweeters need rewiring due to poor wiring system used by the contractors. May be those in KT who have good wiring contractors can help me. I just found out why no birds building nests at the other end because the internal tweeters at this end are not working cry.gif

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post Sep 21 2011, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 20 2011, 11:18 AM)
enclosed swiftlets farming also called integrated swiftlets farming or something of such is obviously very dangerous.

1. It create in breeding and that's bad as we understand that most animal species die out due to in breeding. their immune abilities lessen but the germs and viruses mutate every time and therefore, cross breeding is always the best unless the species are about to extinct. This isn't happening to our domesticated swiftlets.

2.These buz should not be called " Swiftlets Sanctuary' as they do not provide sanctuary but caged free species and should be refer to factory or plant or something of such but never "Sanctuary", anything but not Sanctuary!!!!

3. By feeding them with man made food is also wrong in my opinion unless these ar fallen chicks.
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Hi Brother West Wind how are you? I have been hibernating so quite some times already. Hope every 1 is fine here. The correct word to use is i think SWIFTLET RANCHING. This phrase was used by Veterinary Dept Dr. Fazilah during our seminar in Kuala Terengganu/Pulau Kapas many years ago.

2. I would like to get members opinion here about nesting planks....should it be kept clean while installing, no dirt on the timbers. mine a lot on earth stain used to seal the gaps between ceiling and nesting planks and according to the person who visited my birdhouse, he asked me to change all the planks. Some are also stained due to high humidity because the previous CON-SUL-TANT used light red meranti and not dark red meranti like Meranti Bukit or Nemesu. Sad to say that mine is a failed one with only less than 200 nests after 3 years... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif Please help... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

3. As to the tweeters cable, ya they used cheap China cable and most of the tweeters ( cheap ones too) are not working. I have changed all the wires and using good tweeters. The work was just completed 3 weeks ago. The friend now advice me to change the nesting planks.....more ringgit will fly away.....and it is getting difficult now (financially).

4. My is a stand alone in rubber/fruit plantation land of 2 acres situated in Terengganu.

Ideas and suggestions please....Thanks for your time.

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swiftlailai
post Sep 22 2011, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 22 2011, 02:57 PM)
Hi, you must be well off to be able to hibernate for so long......kidding lah.

Not many BH owners use Dark Red meranti as these are expensive and more difficult to work with. Too much moisture at the planks will weaken the plank and make it very soft so soft that you practically karate chop 3 pcs of the plank without any black belt and worst fungus will grow with many colors. I have seen black and also white type of fungus that like nest base.

Dirty plank can be clean with wet cloth and if stained, just sand paper it off.

Meranti Bukit now cost over Rm3K, right?? Some guys said that light red meranti don't last but most of those old BHs that I know are over 15 years and still having the old planks up there but do add more new planks because of shortage of staying area....and not because of old planks. The only old BH that changed planks are those failed or still not satisfied owners even after having 5-6 thousands as those about the same aged BH did have over 10K do renovate and even change to new planks.
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Thanks Bros,

So no need to change nesting planks. That is good news to me.

I am hoping for the best after changing tweeters and speaker cables.

What more shall I do to hansten the increase in nests?

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