This is the turtle that survived.... any tips?

What do you mean? Pls be more specific, u mean for which species is it approved? Stars, radiated, spider etc?
How do u get the permit if you have declared? Just go to HQ(you mean the Cheras one I presume) and pay for the permit or what?

**Camille any updates on this? thx

hi, can u share more abt the difference between taking care of a Star and Radiata?? any important stuff/s have to cautious? me still new in here

In my country Istar and Radiata don't need permit. we've got plenty here. A few month ago my Istar had hatch 5 hatchling from 6 egg. I gave them to the zoo. I one of WWF member and it sad to see rare animal being in the black market.. You can find Yniphora (the rarest among tortoise) here (T T). Hope when my Radiata reach age of 10 (1,5 years from now) I can breading them too. Wish me luck

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Added on July 22, 2010, 4:12 amFor me there is a different. Istar are more sensitive than Radiata. The humidity and temperature must be accurate. Istar are easily got lung disease than radiata. I always afraid if a newbie bought an Istar (even Istar are more cheaper but their more fragile than Radiata). With Radiata if they got runny nose I can easily gave them garamycin Drop (Gentamicin sulfate) but not to Istar, I have to treat them like a baby. With the right heat Radiata will be fine, but baby/ hatchling Istar humadity is very crucial and they got stress easily. (Istar Also can't stand high dose drugs they can easily overdose)

Someone post about how to force feeding a tortoise, well I tell you it's not pretty. We have to blend the food and open their mouth with a spoon, but you can not doing it too hard because it can crack their mouth (ouch!!) I used pipet instead of spoon. But if their nostril are block They wont survive either. so you have to pump it it out.

Istar more easily got stressed, Radiata more well adjust to a new environment. Istar more picky with their food. Radiata will eat everything.

Is your Istar sleeping all day. please check her eyes if it runny and swollen it mean she got flue or lung problems. If not that can be because he stress out.

Their environment very crucial. 1. Terrarium : don't use fish Aquarium because it's more humid than reptile terrarium (shorter version than Fish) 2. Bedding : Calsiumsand is a big No no they can eat it and got stomach blocked. news paper .. well You have to change it everyday because if they got wet by water, humidity will rise (lung prob.) I use mix of activated carbon, ziolit sand (wash it first) with small rock (krikil, I called here don't know in english ) and I put a rubber carpet with hole (like anti-slip carpet) above the small rock mixture... Why, because Ziolit sand and activated carbon will will neutralized acid (from TTT pee) so TTT wont got poisoned with acid steam. And it will reduce the humid also.

Treatment for carapace : Use an natural ointment, don't use chemical. I use Kamilosan Ointment (this ointment used by breast feeding mother, the ingredients are honey from flower. How to know natural ointment and chemical ointment: put it in the water if the oil have a rainbow effect it contain chemical.

Well I have to reminded you, I'm no expert. I'm just a have them for quite sometimes I don't know what information needed for this forum. Here we don't have a vet specialize for Tortoise and reptile that's why me and my friends keep browsing and share information about care sheet. Sometimes care sheet from European country or America can not be used here in Asian country.

Hope my information help, ask me anytime ... Love to know there are people like and care for TTT

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Added on July 22, 2010, 4:30 amTesting photo

this is my today radiata with my son





This post has been edited by SheNightOwl: Jul 22 2010, 04:54 AM

that's totally not okay. although conical scute formation in G. elegans could be linked to genetics, pyramiding in captive bred specimens are often pathological, caused by too much protein in their diet and to some degree, lack of moisture.

shells of specimens with diet-induced pyramiding are thick but porous, making it weak and susceptible to cracking and all kinds of mishaps.





and plus, induced pyramiding could cause unnatural vertebral formation, which would be very very detrimental to the specimen's health as it could disrupt the organs.





as such, inducing pyramiding through high protein food (okra, beans) is an atrocity. those tortoises would most probably outlive us, handing them a lifetime of pain is plainly wrong.

no idea on that, sorry. they should've contacted us if permits are issued. i'll try to ask around today.

Wow.. nice info... and nice photo. So big (i mean the tortoise)... looking forward more more photos

judging by the condition of the sutures, yep the shell looks soft. I assume that the turtle haven't gotten enough UVB/D3?

try pellets with D3 (wardley's, exoterra) or hooking up with UVB bulbs. (either one, not both).

and of course a dry basking rock in its aquarium with overhead basking light (rm1.50 osram bulb would do).

About Okra/ Lady finger. I think I should make it simple... Okra/lady finger is like a candy for kids. You don't feed them everyday with it, not even every week. I told you the truth, I gave Okra to my pet but occasionally (not even once a month). And I understand is hard to change your Istar diet once their "addicted" with Okra. But yes, it's not good for them, just like candy for kids, Ok but not good. Mizuri will be the best candy for them, if the mizury to hard for them, you can soak Mizuri with a little warm water it will be like congee/ porridge. I remember how panic I was after I know about Okra effect to my tortoise it took me 2 weeks to make them eat proper food. Hope this helping.

More picture coming soon

Hi,

Where are you from ?

Good looking kid and nice tort there.

Do you keep it indoor or outdoor?

I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia. Thank you

When they still baby (cute and small)



I hope this picture gave the idea for terrarium bedding

Below is my Sulcata terrarium when he's a baby. I didn't mention him before because I sold him last year. Tooo Big (as big as 15" car tire) and he has a big appetite hahahahaha



This is the terrarium I was talking about not tall like fish tank, Sulcata bedding different from Radiata, Pixys and Istar (It don't last long any way 3 weeks only than I free him in my garden hahahahhahaha..)

Below is Pixys . Pixys also a tortoise but it small size always in terrarium, I gave her to my nephew a few month ago.

Is good to have u here....is there any substitute other than Use an natural ointment?
can tell me whats the food that u often give it to your tortoise?almost every meal have?

Thank you Akuning
I don't know about any substitute for carapace cream. One of my friend got carapace treatment cream from Japan, I read the ingredients and Kamilosan are the closest one Kamilosan ointment made from Camomile Honey, it works like anti-septic but also moisturized the carapace by far I don't have carapace problem, I read it some where about carapace disease that cause of a small wound (especially if you put your tortoise in the garden, like I did). I don't gave them every day only once every two weeks.

I often gave my tortoise Hibiscus leaf and flower, Opuntia cactus (because it's free hahahahaha. I plant it in my garden), watercress and fumak/siomak. And they also eat my grass if I'm late feeding them. Papaya once a week. for treat I gave them Okra but mostly I gave them Mazuri (a bit expensive here and not easy to find). For the sick Tortoise I gave them murbei leaf (it's a leaf for worm that made silk - ulet sutra). Why.. well murbei leaf have the ingredient that can make regeneration faster.
I don't gave them food that gassy like capsicum, sawi or cauliflower. Every meal I sparkle it with calsium but not the one that sold in the market.. I use hhmmm what it's call? Well It's call tulang sotong here in indonesia (Calamary bone??? I don't know the name in English.. sorry... but it commonly used for bird)

Hope this info help.

Its a cuttle bone i guess
I saw that U wrote u have used gentamicin for tortoise? You instilled it into the TT's nose? or into the mouth?
Are u using the eye drop preparation?

U have poste a lot of useful info here, TQ so much

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Added on July 22, 2010, 7:22 pmOh ya, for those wana get a license for tort, pls bring along a picture of your tort, i jus came back from perhilitan yest. But they said, Star tort you cant get a license.

This post has been edited by CreepyCrawly: Jul 22 2010, 07:22 PM

Good day to all, want to ask a question which i am looking for answer for long time...

Is it possible i can cut nail of my green turtle? or any other way to make it shorter? that's because their nail are too long, long enough to cut my fingertips.

Thx for your info...
Opuntia cactus is that the kind of cactus very slim 1?did u peel off the skin?
May i know what is fumak /siomak?
i also got use tulang sotong...hope it works...
i did heard of someone apply olive oil at carapace and some said use aloevera at carapace?did u heard any of this? u think is it good for them?

turtles lover.. check this out.. xD...

http://www.mudah.my/Rare+double+headed+red...der-6698609.htm

lol 90k. back in 2008, it was around 3k-4k. i've posted some pics in TTT version 3.

anyway, those breeders who are still intentionally breeding this kind of monstrosities are f*cking irresponsible.

I saw those that intentionally breed turtle with 8 figure, but 2 headed? How to intentionally breed?

Hundreds Of Malagasy Tortoises Seized In Malaysia
Posted on July 17, 2010
http://envdevmalaysia.wordpress.com/2010/0...ed-in-malaysia/



Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 16 July 2010 – Malaysian Customs Department officers on Wednesday foiled another attempt to smuggle hundreds of Critically Endangered Madagascar tortoises into Malaysia and arrested two women in whose bags, the tortoises were hidden.

The Malagasy women had filled two bags with 369 Radiated Tortoises Astrochelys radiata and five Ploughshare Tortoises Astrochelys yniphora. Apart from the tortoises, the duo had also hidden 47 Tomato Frogs Dyscophus antongilii and several chameleons in their luggage.

This is the second case in just over a month involving the smuggling of these rare tortoises into Malaysia In early June, Customs officers at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport, discovered 285 Radiated Tortoises, 14 Spider Tortoises Pyxis arachnoids and a Ploughshare Tortoise in two unclaimed suitcases that also contained a stash of drugs. No arrests were made in that incident.

The reptiles and amphibians seized in both cases have been handed over to the Department of Wildlife and National Parks (Perhilitan).

Perhilitan Director-General Datuk Abd. Rasid Samsudin told press that the two suspects were being investigated under Section 10(A) of Malaysia’s International Trade in Endangered Species Act 2008, which came into force this month.

This section of the law provides for a total fine of up to MYR 1 million or a maximum jail sentence of seven years, or both, if a person is convicted of importing or exporting any scheduled species without a permit.

These cases confirm links between criminal elements in Southeast Asia and Madagascar. TRAFFIC Southeast Asia urges enforcement agencies within the ASEAN-WEN to collaborate in shutting these syndicates down, especially in international airports, as these are truly the hubs of the trade.

Investigations to find the masterminds behind the trade in Madagascar’s tortoises in Southeast Asia should be initiated. It is these people, and those that continue to buy these illegal animals that are driving them towards extinction.

The second seizure of Madagascar tortoises comes hot on the heels of several Perhilitan successes this month.

“Malaysia’s enforcement officers are to be congratulated on their crackdown on wildlife crime, which is sending a strong signal to those involved in the illicit trade that crime doesn’t pay,” said James Compton, Programme Director of TRAFFIC’s Asia-Pacific Programme.

On 11 July, Perhilitan’s Wildlife Crime Unit (WCU) raided the premises of a flea market trader in the state of Selangor and seized several wildlife trophies including five Tiger claws, the casks and beaks of two Rhinoceros Hornbills, Sambar and Barking Deer antlers, bags and shoes made of python and cobra skins and 96 items made of elephant ivory.

On 13 July , the WCU and Malaysian Police raided a car workshop in Kuala Lumpur and discovered over 600 birds, many of them protected under local legislation and/or by international conventions, including three Straw-headed Bulbuls Pycnonotus zeylanicus a Blue-and-Yellow Macaw Ara ararauna, nine Sulphur-crested Cockatoos Cacatua galerita, three Palm Cockatoos Probosciger aterrimus and a pair of Twelve-wired Bird of Paradise Seleucidis melanoleucus.

Two men linked to this case are still at large, police told press on Tuesday when announcing the seizure.